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#1500347 --- 06/23/17 10:12 AM "fundamental meanness"
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"public service is not about sport or notching a political win...it’s to make people’s lives better." -Barack Obama


Killing People For Tax Cuts: What The F*ck World Are We Living In?

by Abby Zimet, staff writer
CommonDreams

June 22, 2017


Trying to stay alive. Photo by Mark Wilson/Getty Images


Now we've gone so low we're down to dueling obscenities: The GOP Senate version of "health care" aka tax cuts for the richest 2% of Americans vs. the ungodly spectacle of Capitol police arresting, manhandling and dragging out of wheelchairs disabled people protesting its monstrousness outside the office of Mitch McConnell; amidst reports of post-arrests blood on the floor, some thought McConnell should have to clean it up, while others argued he already has enough blood on his hands. His travesty of a bill rushed through House and Senate with no public input would hurt almost everyone: It would strip 23 million of health care, raise costs, reduce coverage, roll back vital protections, slash Medicaid, defund Planned Parenthood and likely kill many, all while lining the pockets of insurance companies and the very rich. Says Ezra Klein, "It's not complicated. Just cruel."

No surprise, then, that just 17% of Americans reportedly approve of a massive giveaway to the rich seen as an act of class war, a bell tolling the end of democracy and an objectively bad piece of legislation that makes acceptable the murder of poor/old/sick people, children with cancer or disabilities, those struggling with opioid addiction, and anyone else unlucky enough to fall ill. Even Barack Obama, ever civil, chimed in asking Republicans to remember - did they ever know? - that "public service is not about sport or notching a political win... it’s to make people’s lives better." This hack job, with its "fundamental meanness," obviously doesn't: "Simply put, if there’s a chance you might get sick, get old, or start a family - this bill will do you harm." This, despite the final, Orwellian blow of its name: the Better Care Act. Patton Oswald, reacting to the sight of a handcuffed woman in her wheelchair and all the rest: "The f*ck world are we living in?" A world, says a furious Elizabeth Warren, of "blood money" for the rich, where we have to tell them no.

https://www.commondreams.org/further/2017/06/22/killing-people-tax-cuts-what-fck-world-are-we-living
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#1500349 --- 06/23/17 12:25 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: Teonan]
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Oh stop!

This is garbage lip service from the left.

You don't care about the "disabled", you use them only as a weapon!

If you did care you would have given me, and my wheelchair a ride to Tom Reeds town hall meeting last winter.
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#1500350 --- 06/23/17 12:31 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: Teonan]
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It's a political stunt, that's all. The supposed cuts to Medicaid aren't cuts at all, just a reduction in future increases to the program. D.C. never rolls back something once it's in place but by slowing future growth they might have a chance at getting a handle on the spending.

Unfortunately the low-information voters will never know this so Liberals will use them as usual to pander for votes. I'm hopeful though with the significant Democrat losses incurred over the last 7 years that Americans are wising up.

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#1500353 --- 06/23/17 12:41 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: luckyduck]
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#1500354 --- 06/23/17 12:52 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Oh stop!
If you did care you would have given me, and my wheelchair a ride to Tom Reeds town hall meeting last winter.

Told ya. I don't drive Tommyboy. Trying to lay a guilt trip on me for not callin' you a taxi? Gee wiz.
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#1500355 --- 06/23/17 12:56 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: luckyduck]
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This is what their voters wanted; tax cuts for the rich. crazy
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#1500357 --- 06/23/17 01:22 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

This is what their voters wanted; tax cuts for the rich. crazy


Hate to burst your bubble Teo but I don't think that you can speak for all of their voters any more than I can. As a Republican voter I can say for sure that's not what I wanted or voted on. Tax breaks? Sure, but not tax cuts for the rich.

Besides, I believe that the celebs and one per-centers are mostly a liberal voting block; just ask Cloone, DiCaprio, Streisand, Soros, and all of Obama and Hillary's Wall Street friends. Do you expect that they will refuse a tax cut when it is provided them?

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#1500359 --- 06/23/17 02:38 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: luckyduck]
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#1500362 --- 06/23/17 02:50 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: luckyduck]
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Originally Posted By: luckyduck
As a Republican voter I can say for sure that's not what I wanted or voted on. Tax breaks? Sure, but not tax cuts for the rich.
Wow. The rich is who most Republican tax cut are for, not just this time.

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#1500363 --- 06/23/17 02:52 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: luckyduck]
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Originally Posted By: luckyduck
Besides, I believe that the celebs and one per-centers are mostly a liberal voting block; just ask Cloone, DiCaprio, Streisand, Soros, and all of Obama and Hillary's Wall Street friends. Do you expect that they will refuse a tax cut when it is provided them?
No but why should they offered one in the first place?

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#1500364 --- 06/23/17 02:55 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: luckyduck]
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Originally Posted By: luckyduck
Besides, I believe that the celebs and one per-centers are mostly a liberal voting block;
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katiasavchu...s/#7253e0313e83

Of the 50 richest families, 28 mainly donate to Republicans and only seven contribute mainly to Democrats. Not all families stay on the same side of the political spectrum — 15 support candidates from both parties.

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#1500365 --- 06/23/17 03:11 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: cwjga]
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Real Medicaid reforms

The Senate bill includes and refines the best part of the House bill: its reforms of Medicaid, the dysfunctional government-run health care program for the poor whose enrollees have no better health outcomes than the uninsured.

Because the Senate bill’s tax credits are robustly means-tested and available to those below the poverty line, the bill is able to repeal Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion while offering higher-quality coverage to individuals who signed up for Medicaid under the expansion.

The reason that Medicaid’s health outcomes are so poor is because the outdated 1965 Medicaid law places a laundry list of constraints on states’ ability to manage their Medicaid programs. As a result, the main tool states have to keep Medicaid costs under control is to pay doctors and hospitals less and less each year for the same care. Hence, many doctors don’t take Medicaid, and Medicaid enrollees struggle to gain access to care.

The Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017 addresses these problems in several ways.

First, the bill repeals Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, and replaces it with tax credits so that low-income Americans can buy the coverage of their choice at an affordable price.

Second, the bill gives states a new set of tools to make their Medicaid programs. For example, under Obamacare, states are only allowed to check if someone is eligible for Medicaid once a year, even if that enrollee has moved to a different state, or becomes no longer eligible, or is no longer alive. Jonathan Ingram of the Foundation for Government Accountability, in a recent report, recommended allowing states to redetermine eligibility more frequently and thereby culling their rolls of ineligible individuals.

Third, the bill puts the legacy Medicaid program on a long-term per-capita cap tied to medical inflation through 2025, and conventional inflation (CPI-U) thereafter. This change is important, because Medicaid per-enrollee spending is growing at a slightly slower rate than Medical inflation; hence, making the program sustainable requires the use of CPI-U. The fiscal sustainability of Medicaid is essential to making sure that those who depend on the program can know it will be there for them in the future.

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#1500366 --- 06/23/17 03:19 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Real Medicaid reforms

The Senate bill includes and refines the best part of the House bill: its reforms of Medicaid, the dysfunctional government-run health care program for the poor whose enrollees have no better health outcomes than the uninsured.
And you found this information where? I see no link. If this is such a great bill why was it hidden in secrecy until just a few days before the vote?

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#1500367 --- 06/23/17 03:23 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Here is a link so you know where to find it to read it all

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-car...th-care-n776001

Groups representing pediatricians, cancer specialists, heart doctors and family physicians all agree: Both the House and the Senate offerings for fixing health care in the U.S. would make things worse, not better.

Within hours of its release, groups representing medical professionals were denouncing the Senate version, called the Better Care Reconciliation Act or BCRA.

Medicaid also covers two-thirds of people in nursing homes. The health care bills in the House and Senate would also let companies charge older people more for insurance than they would younger customers.

“We are disappointed that the legislation fails to meet our guiding principles for healthcare reform by halting Medicaid expansion, reinstating annual and lifetime coverage caps, and cutting coverage for essential health benefits including cancer screening,” said Dr. Bruce Johnson, president of the American Society for Clinical Oncology.

“We are concerned that no public hearings were held and no physician or patient expertise was sought during the bill's development,” the American Academy of Family Physicians, American Academy of Pediatrics, American College of Physicians, American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, American Osteopathic Association and American Psychiatric Association said in a joint statement.

“The American Health Care Act, as passed by the U.S. House of Representatives in May, is an inherently flawed bill that would do great harm to our patients. The Senate's Better Care Reconciliation Act would also leave patients drastically worse off than current law," the statement said.

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#1500368 --- 06/23/17 03:27 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Medicaid also covers two-thirds of people in nursing homes.
This includes many many middle income Americans who end up using Medicaid at the end of their life for the first time. I know some personally.

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#1500371 --- 06/23/17 04:25 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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There are many reasons for this health care cost not just Obamacare

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/apos-much-average-american-spends-145249613.html

Indeed, average annual costs per person hit $10,345 in 2016. In 1960, the average cost per person was only $146 — and, adjusting for inflation, that means costs are nine times higher now than they were then.

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#1500372 --- 06/23/17 04:27 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/03/whatever_replaces_obamacare_wi.html

Whatever replaces Obamacare will look a lot like Obamacare: George Will

it is probable that whatever replaces the ACA's tapestry of subsidies, regulations and mandates will be a tapestry of subsidies, regulations and mandates. The differences probably will constitute substantial improvements but will hardly constitute a revolution in the relation of the citizen, or the health care sector, to the government.

Today, this sector is one-sixth of the American economy and larger than all but four national economies. It has been observed that if in 1900 America had had sophisticated national income statistics, the health care sector would have been too negligible to notice: Most Americans then were born and died at home and rudimentary medicine was mostly for making sick persons as comfortable as possible while nature healed or killed them.

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#1500373 --- 06/23/17 05:33 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Oh stop!
If you did care you would have given me, and my wheelchair a ride to Tom Reeds town hall meeting last winter.

Told ya. I don't drive Tommyboy. Trying to lay a guilt trip on me for not callin' you a taxi? Gee wiz.



Typical!
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#1500374 --- 06/23/17 06:39 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: ThomasDecker]
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http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/23/news/companies/store-closings/index.html

Stores are closing at alarming rate. The number so far this year is triple what it was in the same period last year, according to an analysis by Fung Global Retail & Technology, a retail think tank.

There have been 5,300 store closing announcements through June 20, making it the second worst year on record at the six-month mark. The worst year ever for store closings was 2008 during the Great Recession, when Credit Suisse counted 6,163 closings. But 2017 is poised to easily surpass that.

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#1500375 --- 06/23/17 06:41 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dean-heller-...alth-care-bill/

Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada became the fifth Senate Republican on Friday to announce opposition to the Senate Republican health care plan to repeal and replace Obamacare, putting the legislation's passage in jeopardy ahead of a vote next week.

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#1500377 --- 06/23/17 09:37 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/23/news/companies/store-closings/index.html

Stores are closing at alarming rate. The number so far this year is triple what it was in the same period last year, according to an analysis by Fung Global Retail & Technology, a retail think tank.

There have been 5,300 store closing announcements through June 20, making it the second worst year on record at the six-month mark. The worst year ever for store closings was 2008 during the Great Recession, when Credit Suisse counted 6,163 closings. But 2017 is poised to easily surpass that.
It's called internet shopping Kyle! You think that might have something to do with it Kyle? The stock market is at a all time Kyle! Nice try though! LOL!

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#1500393 --- 06/24/17 08:22 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ever...kushpmg00000009

It’s easier to count the days President Donald Trump hasn’t lied.

A New York Times editorial says the president has only managed to be falsehood free 39 total days in his first sixth months in office.

Authors David Leonhardt and Stuart A. Thompson listed every single lie the president has said since taking office six months ago. They say Trump started his administration with a 40-day lying streak, only managing to go fib-free for the first time on March 1.

They set a conservative bar for what constitutes a lie, but say Trump’s “long pattern of using untruths to serve his purposes, as a businessman and politician, means that his statements are not simply careless errors.”

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#1500394 --- 06/24/17 08:26 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Oh stop!
If you did care you would have given me, and my wheelchair a ride to Tom Reeds town hall meeting last winter.

Told ya. I don't drive Tommyboy. Trying to lay a guilt trip on me for not callin' you a taxi? Gee wiz.



Typical!


Whatevs clickbait. grin
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#1500398 --- 06/24/17 10:09 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Oh stop!
If you did care you would have given me, and my wheelchair a ride to Tom Reeds town hall meeting last winter.

Told ya. I don't drive Tommyboy. Trying to lay a guilt trip on me for not callin' you a taxi? Gee wiz.



Typical!


Whatevs clickbait. grin


Back to name calling, I see.
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#1500399 --- 06/24/17 10:26 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Back to name calling, I see.
Trump is the number one name caller.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien

Donald Trump has repeatedly labeled his political opponents liars. He dubbed Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) Lyin' Ted when it became clear that Cruz was a serious rival for his nomination; he called Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) an "even bigger liar" than Cruz. He dubbed Dr. Ben Carson a "pathological liar" and said former Florida Governor Jeb Bush's lies were almost as bad as Cruz's. Trump has termed virtually every mildly adversarial media member a liar, too.

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#1500779 --- 07/01/17 10:28 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Back to name calling, I see.
Trump is the number one name caller.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien

Donald Trump has repeatedly labeled his political opponents liars. He dubbed Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) Lyin' Ted when it became clear that Cruz was a serious rival for his nomination; he called Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) an "even bigger liar" than Cruz. He dubbed Dr. Ben Carson a "pathological liar" and said former Florida Governor Jeb Bush's lies were almost as bad as Cruz's. Trump has termed virtually every mildly adversarial media member a liar, too.
That would be correct Kyle!

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#1500784 --- 07/02/17 04:46 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Back to name calling, I see.
Trump is the number one name caller.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien

Donald Trump has repeatedly labeled his political opponents liars. He dubbed Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) Lyin' Ted when it became clear that Cruz was a serious rival for his nomination; he called Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) an "even bigger liar" than Cruz. He dubbed Dr. Ben Carson a "pathological liar" and said former Florida Governor Jeb Bush's lies were almost as bad as Cruz's. Trump has termed virtually every mildly adversarial media member a liar, too.
That would be correct Kyle!
This is all correct? So Trump calls Ben Carson a "pathological liar" and then appoints him to a cabinet post. That is called being two-faced.

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#1500833 --- 07/03/17 09:18 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Here is more meanness by a Republican. This is likely where Trump numbers are heading after a few more nasty tweets.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/03/politics/chris-christie-beach/index.html

On Friday, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie ordered beaches across the Garden State closed -- a reaction to the ongoing budget impasse in the state's legislature.

Less than 48 hours later, photos from NJ Advance Media showed Christie sunning himself with his family on Island Beach State Park

By mid-June, a Quinnipiac University poll put Christie's approval rating at just 15%, the worst approval rating for any governor in any state poll ever conducted by Quinnipiac. Eighty-one percent of New Jersey voters disapproved of the job Christie was doing.

And, if there's anyone out there who l-o-v-e-s Christie sunbathing while the beaches are shut down, it's Trump. The President digs anyone who thumbs his nose at convention. If you can feud with the press too, well, that's a double bonus in the eyes of Trump.
When you see Christie on the beach then, you see a man who has stopped caring.

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#1500835 --- 07/03/17 12:38 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Back to name calling, I see.
Trump is the number one name caller.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien

Donald Trump has repeatedly labeled his political opponents liars. He dubbed Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) Lyin' Ted when it became clear that Cruz was a serious rival for his nomination; he called Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) an "even bigger liar" than Cruz. He dubbed Dr. Ben Carson a "pathological liar" and said former Florida Governor Jeb Bush's lies were almost as bad as Cruz's. Trump has termed virtually every mildly adversarial media member a liar, too.
That would be correct Kyle!
This is all correct? So Trump calls Ben Carson a "pathological liar" and then appoints him to a cabinet post. That is called being two-faced.
No that is called politics Kyle!

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#1500836 --- 07/03/17 12:39 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Here is more meanness by a Republican. This is likely where Trump numbers are heading after a few more nasty tweets.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/03/politics/chris-christie-beach/index.html

On Friday, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie ordered beaches across the Garden State closed -- a reaction to the ongoing budget impasse in the state's legislature.

Less than 48 hours later, photos from NJ Advance Media showed Christie sunning himself with his family on Island Beach State Park

By mid-June, a Quinnipiac University poll put Christie's approval rating at just 15%, the worst approval rating for any governor in any state poll ever conducted by Quinnipiac. Eighty-one percent of New Jersey voters disapproved of the job Christie was doing.

And, if there's anyone out there who l-o-v-e-s Christie sunbathing while the beaches are shut down, it's Trump. The President digs anyone who thumbs his nose at convention. If you can feud with the press too, well, that's a double bonus in the eyes of Trump.
When you see Christie on the beach then, you see a man who has stopped caring.
You haven't learned how reliable polls are yet Kyle?

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#1500864 --- 07/04/17 02:38 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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http://www.salon.com/2017/07/04/tale-of-...-michael-flynn/

Tale of a traitor: Is the famous betrayal of Benedict Arnold echoed in Michael Flynn?

Embittered by rejection and in need of money, a general turns against his own country. Who are we talking about?

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#1500878 --- 07/04/17 10:05 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.salon.com/2017/07/04/tale-of-...-michael-flynn/

Tale of a traitor: Is the famous betrayal of Benedict Arnold echoed in Michael Flynn?

Embittered by rejection and in need of money, a general turns against his own country. Who are we talking about?
The first part sounds like Clinton!

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#1501100 --- 07/09/17 01:48 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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This accomplish put Trumps multiple marriages and adultery to shame.

Jimmy & Rosalynn Carter celebrate their amazing lives together—Happy 71st Anniversary!

Each has accomplished great deeds, individually. Jimmy, of course, as President, Nobel Peace Prize laureate, facilitator of peace, longtime advocate of democracy, education, solar energy… and Rosalynn with her work fighting for the rights of those with mental illness, as well as helping to remove the stigma. She also actively advocates for the elderly. Both Jimmy and Rosalynn are very prolific book authors.

Together, they are equally astounding.

The Carters created The Carter Center together in 1982, soon after the President left office and have since been “Waging Peace, Fighting Disease and Building Hope” around world. They have sought solutions for peace, monitored elections for freedom and democracy, and helped bring the cases of Guinea Worm disease from 3 million cases down to fewer than 10 cases. These accomplishments just touch on the work behind The Carter Center.

The Carters have also been building homes with Habitat for Humanity for over 30 years.

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#1501103 --- 07/09/17 03:30 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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There are so many warning signs that Trump wants to be a dictator. God help us if he succeeds in becoming one. I hope our constitution is strong enough to prevent it.

http://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-...in-987246147837

Fmr. RT anchor: Trump wishes he had as much power as Putin

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#1501104 --- 07/09/17 03:33 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.msnbc.com/brian-williams/watc...ks-986699843525

Fmr. American Spy: Putin just 'trolled' Trump over 2016 hacks

Fmr. U.S. Counterterrorism & Intelligence Official Malcolm Nance argues that Putin has an 'information dominance' over Trump reacting to their meeting at the G20 summit.

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#1501139 --- 07/09/17 10:07 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
There are so many warning signs that Trump wants to be a dictator. God help us if he succeeds in becoming one. I hope our constitution is strong enough to prevent it.

http://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-...in-987246147837

Fmr. RT anchor: Trump wishes he had as much power as Putin
Kyle you act like such a idiot! You blow everything out of proportion and everything is such DOOM & GLOOM! You need to find a hobby instead of trolling for cut & pastes all day!

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#1501308 --- 07/11/17 06:15 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/opinions/r...izer/index.html

But the biggest political question remains: How long will Republicans stand by this president? With Republicans in control of Congress, this may be the most far-reaching issue in terms of how this scandal will unfold.

It keeps getting harder for Republicans to absorb this heat and fend off the controversy. With Donald Trump Jr. releasing the emails himself (apparently in advance of another New York Times story on them), the President can't call it "fake news."

Republicans have many reasons to stop defending the President. Trump and his administration have a credibility crisis that is unlike anything we have seen in recent decades. At this point, Republicans have sat on their hands as the President and members of his team have repeatedly hidden information, twisted and changed their positions (sometimes, in the course of one day), lied about basic facts and acted to impede investigation.

45 years after Watergate, we're back in the same kind of mess

If the Trump team is really innocent of any wrongdoing, they certainly don't act this way. Their strongest and most consistent defense has been to keep blasting the alleged "fake news" industry, despite the fact that much of the false information comes right from them. Right now, a Republican would be almost foolhardy to publicly vouch for anything that the president says.

The Russia chaos has put a stranglehold on the Republican legislative agenda. This is the anti-New Deal, not because President Trump's legislative accomplishments are so conservative, but because they don't exist. The Republican dreams about what united government could bring back in January 2017 today seem comical.

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#1501317 --- 07/11/17 08:30 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/opinions/r...izer/index.html

But the biggest political question remains: How long will Republicans stand by this president? With Republicans in control of Congress, this may be the most far-reaching issue in terms of how this scandal will unfold.

It keeps getting harder for Republicans to absorb this heat and fend off the controversy. With Donald Trump Jr. releasing the emails himself (apparently in advance of another New York Times story on them), the President can't call it "fake news."

Republicans have many reasons to stop defending the President. Trump and his administration have a credibility crisis that is unlike anything we have seen in recent decades. At this point, Republicans have sat on their hands as the President and members of his team have repeatedly hidden information, twisted and changed their positions (sometimes, in the course of one day), lied about basic facts and acted to impede investigation.

45 years after Watergate, we're back in the same kind of mess

If the Trump team is really innocent of any wrongdoing, they certainly don't act this way. Their strongest and most consistent defense has been to keep blasting the alleged "fake news" industry, despite the fact that much of the false information comes right from them. Right now, a Republican would be almost foolhardy to publicly vouch for anything that the president says.

The Russia chaos has put a stranglehold on the Republican legislative agenda. This is the anti-New Deal, not because President Trump's legislative accomplishments are so conservative, but because they don't exist. The Republican dreams about what united government could bring back in January 2017 today seem comical.
They have no proof Trump did anything!

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#1501337 --- 07/12/17 02:50 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
They have no proof Trump did anything!
The do now.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/donald-trump...712-gx9qt4.html

Talking about the wrongdoing of others, bush lawyer and US President Donald Trump snr had lectured in the recent past that there's collusion when people know that what's going down is illegal – and they do nothing about it.

By that measure, revelations in The New York Times suggest that Donald Trump jnr is in trouble – and the same goes for his brother-in-law Jared Kushner and one-time Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort. And maybe Dad too.

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#1501414 --- 07/12/17 09:46 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
They have no proof Trump did anything!
The do now.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/donald-trump...712-gx9qt4.html

Talking about the wrongdoing of others, bush lawyer and US President Donald Trump snr had lectured in the recent past that there's collusion when people know that what's going down is illegal – and they do nothing about it.

By that measure, revelations in The New York Times suggest that Donald Trump jnr is in trouble – and the same goes for his brother-in-law Jared Kushner and one-time Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort. And maybe Dad too.
OH BOY! LOL!

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#1501427 --- 07/13/17 01:18 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Tom Dawe of Kent, Ohio voted for Donald Trump last year for a familiar reason: He didn’t feel he could vote for Hillary Clinton. But now that he has seen Trump in action, Dawe, 61, feels he made a mistake.

Trump has endorsed a Senate healthcare plan that, if enacted, would cut back Medicaid benefits for Dawe’s wife, Catherine. And Dawe, the retired manager of print operations for a container company, feels that instead of strengthening America’s standing around the world, Trump’s leadership style has weakened it. “If I knew what I know now, I wouldn’t have voted for him, because I think he’s a quack,” Dawe says. “His talk about how everybody was going to prosper—I fell for it.”

Donald Trump’s approval rating has remained low but steady at around 40% during his embattled presidency. But new research by Yahoo Finance has identified a key subset of Trump voters who are turned off by his actions as president, including some who would change their votes if they could. In a Yahoo Finance online survey conducted in late June, 12.6% of Trump voters said they were dissatisfied with his performance as president, and 11.1% said they wouldn’t vote for him again. That’s a much larger portion than Trump’s margin of victory in key states that put him over the top last November, including Pennsylvania, Florida, Michigan and Wisconsin—which Trump won by less than 2% of the vote. The poll results suggest Trump has lost the voters who provided his margin of victory in 2016—and would be needed again were he to run for reelection in 2020.

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#1501428 --- 07/13/17 01:18 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
They have no proof Trump did anything!
The do now.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/donald-trump...712-gx9qt4.html

Talking about the wrongdoing of others, bush lawyer and US President Donald Trump snr had lectured in the recent past that there's collusion when people know that what's going down is illegal – and they do nothing about it.

By that measure, revelations in The New York Times suggest that Donald Trump jnr is in trouble – and the same goes for his brother-in-law Jared Kushner and one-time Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort. And maybe Dad too.
OH BOY! LOL!
That is all you can say? Amazing

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#1501460 --- 07/13/17 08:44 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
They have no proof Trump did anything!
The do now.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/donald-trump...712-gx9qt4.html

Talking about the wrongdoing of others, bush lawyer and US President Donald Trump snr had lectured in the recent past that there's collusion when people know that what's going down is illegal – and they do nothing about it.

By that measure, revelations in The New York Times suggest that Donald Trump jnr is in trouble – and the same goes for his brother-in-law Jared Kushner and one-time Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort. And maybe Dad too.
OH BOY! LOL!
That is all you can say? Amazing
What else can I say about somebody like you!

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#1501472 --- 07/13/17 02:19 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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What else can I say about somebody like you!
It is sad but I have the same feeling about you I am afraid.

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#1501473 --- 07/13/17 02:21 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
They have no proof Trump did anything!
The do now.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/donald-trump...712-gx9qt4.html

Talking about the wrongdoing of others, bush lawyer and US President Donald Trump snr had lectured in the recent past that there's collusion when people know that what's going down is illegal – and they do nothing about it.

By that measure, revelations in The New York Times suggest that Donald Trump jnr is in trouble – and the same goes for his brother-in-law Jared Kushner and one-time Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort. And maybe Dad too.
OH BOY! LOL!
That is all you can say? Amazing
What else can I say about somebody like you!
Don't talk about me. How about the fact that George Bushs lawyer doesn't agree with Trump?

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#1501501 --- 07/14/17 04:51 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Remember during the campaign all those women who charged Trump with sexual harassment? Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that he is guilty? He just can't help being a sexual predator. And he is our president! What in the hell have we come to?

https://www.apnews.com/a0874f65dbbe49a28727b96a53d9b6ca/Trump-caught-on-tape-complimenting--Macron's-wife's-body

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump was captured complimenting the French president’s wife’s appearance Thursday as he toured a famous Paris landmark.

Video footage posted on the French government’s official Facebook page showed Trump, French President Emmanuel Macron and their wives chatting after their tour of the museums at Les Invalides.

As they were saying their good-byes, Trump turned to Brigitte Macron and gestured toward her body.

“You know, you’re in such good shape,” Trump said, before repeating the observation to her husband. “Beautiful,” he added.


Edited by kyle585 (07/14/17 06:34 AM)

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#1501551 --- 07/14/17 10:38 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Remember during the campaign all those women who charged Trump with sexual harassment? Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that he is guilty? He just can't help being a sexual predator. And he is our president! What in the hell have we come to?

https://www.apnews.com/a0874f65dbbe49a28727b96a53d9b6ca/Trump-caught-on-tape-complimenting--Macron's-wife's-body

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump was captured complimenting the French president’s wife’s appearance Thursday as he toured a famous Paris landmark.

Video footage posted on the French government’s official Facebook page showed Trump, French President Emmanuel Macron and their wives chatting after their tour of the museums at Les Invalides.

As they were saying their good-byes, Trump turned to Brigitte Macron and gestured toward her body.

“You know, you’re in such good shape,” Trump said, before repeating the observation to her husband. “Beautiful,” he added.
Isn't it funny that have all disappeared after the campaign was over Kyle! Was it them being used by the Dems for political reasons,wanting five minutes of fame or they thought they were going to get some cash out of it or a combination of them all?

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#1501564 --- 07/15/17 02:25 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Remember during the campaign all those women who charged Trump with sexual harassment? Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that he is guilty? He just can't help being a sexual predator. And he is our president! What in the hell have we come to?

https://www.apnews.com/a0874f65dbbe49a28727b96a53d9b6ca/Trump-caught-on-tape-complimenting--Macron's-wife's-body

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump was captured complimenting the French president’s wife’s appearance Thursday as he toured a famous Paris landmark.

Video footage posted on the French government’s official Facebook page showed Trump, French President Emmanuel Macron and their wives chatting after their tour of the museums at Les Invalides.

As they were saying their good-byes, Trump turned to Brigitte Macron and gestured toward her body.

“You know, you’re in such good shape,” Trump said, before repeating the observation to her husband. “Beautiful,” he added.
Isn't it funny that have all disappeared after the campaign was over Kyle! Was it them being used by the Dems for political reasons,wanting five minutes of fame or they thought they were going to get some cash out of it or a combination of them all?
I am sure they realize it is hopeless trying to bring suit against the president on such a matter. His subsequent actions show they were right though.

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#1501621 --- 07/16/17 02:10 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Trump is trying to bully our most important ally. He is so miserable an excuse for president it is pathetic.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4027315/trump-may-tape-leak/

The US President made his shameless plea in a private conversation with Theresa May to plan his state visit — now postponed until next year.

Two million people signed a petition calling for Mr Trump’s proposed trip to be axed.

A transcript of the chat, seen by senior diplomats, reveals his touchiness. Mr Trump says: “I haven’t had great coverage out there lately, Theresa.”US President warns he will not visit until he can guarantee a good reception and pleas with Theresa May to help influence public.

He replies: “I still want to come, but I’m in no rush.

“So, if you can fix it for me, it would make things a lot easier.

“When I know I’m going to get a better reception, I’ll come and not before.”

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#1501633 --- 07/16/17 10:42 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Trump is trying to bully our most important ally. He is so miserable an excuse for president it is pathetic.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4027315/trump-may-tape-leak/

The US President made his shameless plea in a private conversation with Theresa May to plan his state visit — now postponed until next year.

Two million people signed a petition calling for Mr Trump’s proposed trip to be axed.

A transcript of the chat, seen by senior diplomats, reveals his touchiness. Mr Trump says: “I haven’t had great coverage out there lately, Theresa.”US President warns he will not visit until he can guarantee a good reception and pleas with Theresa May to help influence public.

He replies: “I still want to come, but I’m in no rush.

“So, if you can fix it for me, it would make things a lot easier.

“When I know I’m going to get a better reception, I’ll come and not before.”
That's BS Kyle! Look at the source of your info! Next thing is you will be cutting & pasting from the National Enquirer and telling us that is a great source for news! LOL!

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#1501645 --- 07/17/17 02:26 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Next thing is you will be cutting & pasting from the National Enquirer and telling us that is a great source for news! LOL!
NO NO. the National Enquirer is Trump's friends paper.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/30/media/national-enquirer-donald-trump-joe-scarborough/index.html

MSNBC hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski say President Trump and his White House used the possibility of a hit piece in the National Enquirer to threaten them and change their news coverage.

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#1501676 --- 07/17/17 11:25 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Next thing is you will be cutting & pasting from the National Enquirer and telling us that is a great source for news! LOL!
NO NO. the National Enquirer is Trump's friends paper.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/30/media/national-enquirer-donald-trump-joe-scarborough/index.html

MSNBC hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski say President Trump and his White House used the possibility of a hit piece in the National Enquirer to threaten them and change their news coverage.
OH BOY!



http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...m_medium=social

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#1501698 --- 07/17/17 11:49 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Next thing is you will be cutting & pasting from the National Enquirer and telling us that is a great source for news! LOL!
NO NO. the National Enquirer is Trump's friends paper.http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/30/media/national-enquirer-donald-trump-joe-scarborough/index.html

MSNBC hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski say President Trump and his White House used the possibility of a hit piece in the National Enquirer to threaten them and change their news coverage.
OH BOY!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...m_medium=social
All you can do is quote Brietbarts 50% approval rating? LOL

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#1501699 --- 07/17/17 11:52 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Next thing is you will be cutting & pasting from the National Enquirer and telling us that is a great source for news! LOL!
NO NO. the National Enquirer is Trump's friends paper.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/30/media/national-enquirer-donald-trump-joe-scarborough/index.html

MSNBC hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski say President Trump and his White House used the possibility of a hit piece in the National Enquirer to threaten them and change their news coverage.
OH BOY!
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...m_medium=social
National Enquirer readers love Trump; therefore the National Enquirer loves Trump, which is convenient because Pecker and the president have been friends for a long time.

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#1501736 --- 07/17/17 04:03 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Next thing is you will be cutting & pasting from the National Enquirer and telling us that is a great source for news! LOL!
NO NO. the National Enquirer is Trump's friends paper.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/30/media/national-enquirer-donald-trump-joe-scarborough/index.html

MSNBC hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski say President Trump and his White House used the possibility of a hit piece in the National Enquirer to threaten them and change their news coverage.
OH BOY!
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...m_medium=social
National Enquirer readers love Trump; therefore the National Enquirer loves Trump, which is convenient because Pecker and the president have been friends for a long time.
If you say so!

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#1501745 --- 07/17/17 04:34 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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If you say so!
This is a quote from the Washington Post, not my words. Cut and pastes are so handy. grin

National Enquirer readers love Trump; therefore the National Enquirer loves Trump, which is convenient because Pecker and the president have been friends for a long time.

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#1501765 --- 07/17/17 07:31 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/christie-russian-oppo-research-illegal-48688744

epublican Gov. Chris Christie on Monday addressed Donald Trump Jr.'s 2016 meeting with a Russian attorney, saying it's "probably against the law" to get opposition research for his father's presidential campaign from a foreign country.

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#1501766 --- 07/17/17 07:34 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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#1501782 --- 07/18/17 02:37 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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The House and Senate are controlled by the Republican Party. At least till next year that is.

The president is the strangest duck we have ever seen in that office. He used to be a Democrat. He has zero party loyalty. His only interest seems to be in increasing his bank account by another billion or so.

His obvious loyalty to the Russian leader is astounding. Putin has got to be blackmailing him over something. With Trumps great interest in women, I got to believe that is behind the blackmail.

It makes the Republicans in congress very nervous. Every one of them I am sure. They don’t speak out against him very often because they want him to sign bills they pass. If they can’t pass bills they may decide he is of no value and desert him.

I got to think that President Pence looks better to them every day although they dare not say so yet. I hope Trump hangs around in his weakened state until Nov 18 when it looks more likely every day the Dems will take the House. And after this health care debacle I am not sure the Senate is out of reach.

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#1501799 --- 07/18/17 01:35 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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I think some Democrats have already said some changes need to be made to Obamacare.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/politics/senate-gop-health-care-latest/

Sen. Lisa Murkowski -- who told reporters she would vote no the motion to proceed with a repeal-only plan -- is calling for a bipartisan solution.

"I think what has to happen is the Republicans have to admit that some of the things in the ACA, we actually liked, and the Democrats have to admit that some of the things they voted for in the ACA are broken and need to be fixed," she told CNN.

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#1501847 --- 07/18/17 10:38 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
The House and Senate are controlled by the Republican Party. At least till next year that is.

The president is the strangest duck we have ever seen in that office. He used to be a Democrat. He has zero party loyalty. His only interest seems to be in increasing his bank account by another billion or so.

His obvious loyalty to the Russian leader is astounding. Putin has got to be blackmailing him over something. With Trumps great interest in women, I got to believe that is behind the blackmail.

It makes the Republicans in congress very nervous. Every one of them I am sure. They don’t speak out against him very often because they want him to sign bills they pass. If they can’t pass bills they may decide he is of no value and desert him.

I got to think that President Pence looks better to them every day although they dare not say so yet. I hope Trump hangs around in his weakened state until Nov 18 when it looks more likely every day the Dems will take the House. And after this health care debacle I am not sure the Senate is out of reach.
Probably the DEMS will do as good as they did in the special elections Kyle! LOL!

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#1501865 --- 07/19/17 03:42 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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From the Washington Post

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2nd undisclosed meeting between Trump and Putin:

The second meeting, unreported at the time, took place at a dinner for Group of 20 leaders, a senior administration official said. Halfway through the meal, President Trump left his seat to occupy an empty chair next to Russian President Vladimir Putin. Trump was alone, and Putin was attended only by his official interpreter.

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The Take
Analysis
A party at war with itself hits a wall on health care
There is no way to spin to those who were promised repeal and replacement that this failure isn’t the party’s fault, and it will surely affect the mood of the GOP’s base heading into 2018.

By Dan Balz

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Senate GOP all but admits defeat in 7-year quest to overturn ACA
Hours after Republicans abandoned a bill to overhaul the Affordable Care Act, their fallback plan — to repeal major parts of the law without replacing them — quickly imploded.
The effort’s collapse marks a devastating political defeat for Republicans, and it leaves millions of consumers who receive insurance through the law known as Obamacare in a kind of administrative limbo.

By Juliet Eilperin, Sean Sullivan and Ed O'Keefe

‘It’s an insane process’: How Trump and Republicans failed on their health-care bill
As the legislation was about to collapse Monday evening, President Trump talked about his trip to Paris as he dined with supportive lawmakers.

By Robert Costa, Kelsey Snell and Sean Sullivan

The Fix: White House dinner is a case study in Trump’s inability to close deal
@PKCapitol: Senators pushed Trump to sidelines. He happily stayed there. Now they pay.
Wonkblog: Trump contradicted by his own past tweets

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The Fix
Analysis
Breitbart’s White House reporter is trying to hold Trump accountable. Seriously.
Charlie Spiering is monitoring the president's follow-through on the promises he made to his base and occasionally calling him out for not delivering.

By Callum Borchers
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#1501866 --- 07/19/17 04:07 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Hillary Clinton is even less popular now than when she was running for president.

Just 39 percent of Americans view Clinton favorably, according to a Bloomberg national poll conducted last week and released on Monday. A year ago, when Clinton was the presumptive Democratic nominee, her favorability was at 43 percent. The former secretary of state is viewed slightly more negatively than President Donald Trump, who has historically low poll numbers for a president this early in his administration.

That puts Clinton at odds with every losing presidential candidate since 1992. Except for Clinton, the defeated candidate saw an increase in favorability ratings after Election Day, according to Gallup data.

The Bloomberg poll didn’t get into reasons for Clinton’s decline in favorability. But there is, of course, one thing that sets her apart from the pack of failed candidates: Clinton is a woman.

In follow-up interviews, Bloomberg poll respondents said their negative feelings about Clinton had nothing to do with her loss. Instead, they emphasized how unlikable they consider Clinton ― echoing the opinions of many voters during the 2016 campaign.

“She did not feel authentic or genuine to me,” Chris Leininger, 29, an insurance agent from Fountain Valley, California, told Bloomberg. “She was hard to like.”

That’s neither an unusual nor a surprising sentiment. Women with strong ambitions and opinions typically take a likability hit, Colleen Ammerman

A mountain of research on women leaders has found that the idea of a powerful woman runs counter to most people’s expectations for what’s considered feminine; quiet, supportive, nurturing and definitely not ambitious.

The disconnect puts female leaders in what’s known as the double-bind ― strong bosses are penalized for not acting “like women,” and those who lean the other way and try to display more characteristically feminine traits are penalized for being weak leaders.

Clinton’s probably the best-known example of this phenomenon. She’s been criticized for being too loud, but also for smiling too much.

In the past, Clinton’s favorability ratings tended to go up when she was not actively running for office. In December 2012, when she was secretary of state, 70 percent of Americans viewed Clinton positively, according to Bloomberg.

But since her loss in November, Clinton has stayed in the public eye and has continued to voice her opinions. That’s likely stoked anxiety and discomfort among Americans, Ammerman said.

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#1501867 --- 07/19/17 04:10 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trum...kushpmg00000067

Trump’s Plan To ‘Let Obamacare Fail’ Is Morally Appalling
Donald Trump is president now and it’s his job to run this government, whether he likes it or not.

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#1501868 --- 07/19/17 04:31 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Meet the 53 angriest people in Washington

Trump and Republican senators are the 53 angriest people in Washington

The GOP turned into the Grouchy Old Party, as recriminations flew after the failure this week to repeal and replace Obamacare -- the greatest motivating cause of Republican voters for more than seven years.
Soon after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell admitted defeat Tuesday in his bid to jam the bill through the Senate, President Donald Trump, different factions on Capitol Hill and outside conservative activists started assigning fault for the legislation's collapse.

The defeat of McConnell's initiative, raised questions not just over the future of American health care, but the cohesion of the Republican majority itself, as the GOP, united in opposition, finds it tougher to be a credible governing force.
For years, hopes of repealing the Affordable Care Act have kept a fractious party united in Washington. Now, with responsibility for Americans' health care coverage resting solely with Republican lawmakers that is no longer the case and Trump and McConnell could not even secure 50 votes in the Senate for the repeal and replace bill.

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#1501869 --- 07/19/17 04:37 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/19/medicaid-shows-its-political-clout-240699?lo=ap_a1

Medicaid shows its political clout

The fight to protect health care entitlement is driving the Obamacare repeal struggle in the Senate.

By Rachana Pradhan 07/19/2017 05:15 AM EDT

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#1501870 --- 07/19/17 04:43 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/18/irakly-kaveladze-trump-tower-russia-eighth-man-240679

Eighth person in Trump Tower meeting was linked to money laundering

Irakly Kaveladze, who met with Trump Jr. and Kushner, is linked to a Kremlin-friendly Russian oligarch through a network of shell companies.

By Kyle Cheney , Darren Samuelsohn and Ryan Hutchins
07/18/2017 02:59 PM EDT

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#1501904 --- 07/19/17 05:23 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2...tesa/489612001/

Tellingly, the latest and perhaps last Republican strategy on health care is a measure that would repeal the Affordable Care Act in two years with no replacement in sight.

So much for repeal-and-replace. Republicans did not have a viable alternative to the ACA when they staged their first repeal vote seven years ago. They don’t now, and in all probability would not in two years even if the repeal measure were to pass.

They don’t have a plan because meaningful reform ideas are few and far between and involve tough political choices. And they don’t because the ACA, in many respects, grew out of Republican plans from the 1990s and early 2000s.

By trying to kill the law, first with the specious argument that they had something better and now without any such pretense, Republicans have left themselves in a bind. They’ve moved the goal posts so far that they have run out of playing field.

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#1501913 --- 07/19/17 10:17 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2...tesa/489612001/

Tellingly, the latest and perhaps last Republican strategy on health care is a measure that would repeal the Affordable Care Act in two years with no replacement in sight.

So much for repeal-and-replace. Republicans did not have a viable alternative to the ACA when they staged their first repeal vote seven years ago. They don’t now, and in all probability would not in two years even if the repeal measure were to pass.

They don’t have a plan because meaningful reform ideas are few and far between and involve tough political choices. And they don’t because the ACA, in many respects, grew out of Republican plans from the 1990s and early 2000s.

By trying to kill the law, first with the specious argument that they had something better and now without any such pretense, Republicans have left themselves in a bind. They’ve moved the goal posts so far that they have run out of playing field.
It's like everything else nobody wants their handout cut!

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#1501943 --- 07/20/17 05:35 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Wow. A Fox news poll shows America doesn't agree with gassy. hehe

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/...ealth-care.html

Republican lawmakers are well aware they need to fulfill their seven-years-and-counting promise to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

A clear reminder came in November, when more than eight in ten of those who voted for Donald Trump said ObamaCare “went too far,” according to the Fox News Exit Poll.

Yet a Fox News Poll taken Sunday through Tuesday finds support continues to fall for the GOP plans being offered to replace President Obama’s signature law. Only 25 percent of voters favor the Senate’s latest health care bill (which was pulled late Monday). That’s a bit less than the 27 percent who favored last month’s Senate draft, and falls considerably short of the 40 percent who supported the House bill in May.

Among Republicans, a narrow majority, 52 percent, favors the second Senate bill, down from 75 percent support for the House overhaul in May.

If the existing law isn’t repealed, 47 percent of all voters, and a hefty 40 percent of Republicans, say congressional Republicans deserve all or most of the blame.

Monday night, after learning he wouldn’t have the votes to pass a replacement bill, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced he will move forward with just repeal.

Voters have a different idea. Six in 10 want to keep ObamaCare and make it better (60 percent). Far fewer, 33 percent, prefer throwing it out and starting over.

A 63 percent majority wants changes made so more people have health insurance, even if it increases government spending. That’s more than twice the number who want the changes to focus on cutting spending, even if it means some people lose insurance (27 percent).

Plus, 74 percent want GOP lawmakers to reach out to Democrats and try to find a compromise. That includes 86 percent of Democrats and 59 percent of Republicans.

President Trump receives his lowest marks on handling health care. Thirty-two percent of voters approve, while 59 percent disapprove. That matters when your party is trying to do a major legislative overhaul on the issue.

In addition, of 10 issues tested, more voters are concerned about health care (82 percent) than any other. It not only tops worry about the economy (75 percent), but it also edges out concern over the “future of the country” (81 percent).

Here’s part of the struggle McConnell faces in replacing the health care law: two-thirds of those in favor of the Senate’s second bill say they like it because it gets rid of ObamaCare (67 percent). At the same time, two-thirds of those opposed say they dislike it because it gets rid of ObamaCare (66 percent).

Meanwhile, the ongoing battle is taking a toll on Republicans. In 2014, voters were equally frustrated with both sides of the aisle (44 percent each). The new poll shows that by a 9-point margin, more are extremely or very “frustrated and upset” with congressional Republicans (57 percent) than with congressional Democrats (48 percent).

More voters feel “extremely” frustrated with Trump (37 percent) than congressional Republicans (33 percent), congressional Democrats (24 percent) or the news media (27 percent).

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#1502014 --- 07/20/17 10:03 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Wow. A Fox news poll shows America doesn't agree with gassy. hehe

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/...ealth-care.html

Republican lawmakers are well aware they need to fulfill their seven-years-and-counting promise to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

A clear reminder came in November, when more than eight in ten of those who voted for Donald Trump said ObamaCare “went too far,” according to the Fox News Exit Poll.

Yet a Fox News Poll taken Sunday through Tuesday finds support continues to fall for the GOP plans being offered to replace President Obama’s signature law. Only 25 percent of voters favor the Senate’s latest health care bill (which was pulled late Monday). That’s a bit less than the 27 percent who favored last month’s Senate draft, and falls considerably short of the 40 percent who supported the House bill in May.

Among Republicans, a narrow majority, 52 percent, favors the second Senate bill, down from 75 percent support for the House overhaul in May.

If the existing law isn’t repealed, 47 percent of all voters, and a hefty 40 percent of Republicans, say congressional Republicans deserve all or most of the blame.

Monday night, after learning he wouldn’t have the votes to pass a replacement bill, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced he will move forward with just repeal.

Voters have a different idea. Six in 10 want to keep ObamaCare and make it better (60 percent). Far fewer, 33 percent, prefer throwing it out and starting over.

A 63 percent majority wants changes made so more people have health insurance, even if it increases government spending. That’s more than twice the number who want the changes to focus on cutting spending, even if it means some people lose insurance (27 percent).

Plus, 74 percent want GOP lawmakers to reach out to Democrats and try to find a compromise. That includes 86 percent of Democrats and 59 percent of Republicans.

President Trump receives his lowest marks on handling health care. Thirty-two percent of voters approve, while 59 percent disapprove. That matters when your party is trying to do a major legislative overhaul on the issue.

In addition, of 10 issues tested, more voters are concerned about health care (82 percent) than any other. It not only tops worry about the economy (75 percent), but it also edges out concern over the “future of the country” (81 percent).

Here’s part of the struggle McConnell faces in replacing the health care law: two-thirds of those in favor of the Senate’s second bill say they like it because it gets rid of ObamaCare (67 percent). At the same time, two-thirds of those opposed say they dislike it because it gets rid of ObamaCare (66 percent).

Meanwhile, the ongoing battle is taking a toll on Republicans. In 2014, voters were equally frustrated with both sides of the aisle (44 percent each). The new poll shows that by a 9-point margin, more are extremely or very “frustrated and upset” with congressional Republicans (57 percent) than with congressional Democrats (48 percent).

More voters feel “extremely” frustrated with Trump (37 percent) than congressional Republicans (33 percent), congressional Democrats (24 percent) or the news media (27 percent).
I think this poll shows you are wrong Kyle!


Poll Results At this point, which party are you more likely to support in the 2018 midterms?

40%
Democrats
39%
Republicans
15%
Neither
6%
I’m not sure

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#1502031 --- 07/21/17 01:09 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
I think this poll shows you are wrong Kyle!


Poll Results At this point, which party are you more likely to support in the 2018 midterms?

40%
Democrats
39%
Republicans
15%
Neither
6%
I’m not sure
Don't you realize this poll shows the Dems wining? Wow.

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#1502070 --- 07/21/17 11:31 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Yes you do and will for a long time. From Fox news.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/07/21/te...place-obamacare

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) still believes his Senate colleagues can come together and pass a bill to replace ObamaCare.

"I think there is a path to get to 'yes.' I think we're close," he said, adding that Republicans cannot fail after promising this to the American people for years.

"The voters should hold us accountable. If we fail to get this done, I think collectively as Republicans we look like fools."

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#1502092 --- 07/21/17 03:39 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Wow. I think our heated political environment is going to get a whole lot worse soon.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/politics/scaramucci-trump-spicer/index.html

What that staff shuffle tells us about President Donald Trump is a lot more than you might think.

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#1502124 --- 07/22/17 05:18 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/president-t...llo-had-to-quit

Mark Corallo, who had spent months defending President Donald Trump as spokesperson for his personal legal team—headed by longtime Trump attorney Marc Kasowitz—confirmed to The Daily Beast on Friday morning that he resigned. He didn’t provide any detail on his reasons.

But people who have known Corallo for years said the president’s New York Times interview, where he questioned Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ integrity, meant he had no choice but to leave.

“To people who know him, his choice to leave was unavoidable on a moral and professional level,” said a longtime friend of Corallo’s.

“Anyone with Mark’s professional capabilities would have seen The New York Times interview was a debilitating P.R. calamity,” the friend added. “To direct broadsides on Mueller and the A.G. is going to be impossible from which to recover, and Corallo certainly would have known that. It makes total sense that he got out of dodge. He’s always had tremendous political instincts.”

Another person who has known Corallo professionally for years said he couldn’t keep working on the president’s defense team after that interview.

“It’s the most unprofessional thing Trump has done to date, getting in Sessions’ ass and getting in Mueller’s ass,” the longtime colleague said. “You can’t do that. There’s no attorney in the world that’s going to want a client that’s doing that. First of all, it’s impetuous. But in addition to that, it makes the legal defense team, including Corallo, look really bad, because a lawyer would never advise their client to do that. And if you don’t make a stand on that, then tacitly, you agree with it.”

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#1502139 --- 07/22/17 09:35 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Wow. I think our heated political environment is going to get a whole lot worse soon.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/politics/scaramucci-trump-spicer/index.html

What that staff shuffle tells us about President Donald Trump is a lot more than you might think.
Like there wasn't any under Obama!

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#1504021 --- 08/24/17 11:11 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-just-retweeted-world-141127381.html

Nicole Gallucci,Mashable 1 hour 55 minutes ago

Donald Trump has proven to have absolutely zero restraint or common sense when it comes to his social media posts, but today he took the his Twitter habit to a whole new level.

On Thursday morning, the U.S. president retweeted an eclipse meme of himself, as a white president, "eclipsing" Barack Obama, the nation's first black president.

It's a retweet so dumb that it may just beat the time he retweeted someone calling him a fascist.

The meme, posted by a user in response to a Trump tweet about Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan, shows a smiling Trump gradually moving in front of a black and white photograph of Obama.

In the last of the four photos, Trump is completely covering Obama, and the words "THE BEST ECLIPSE EVER!" caption the meme.

Yes, this really happened.

Here it is, screenshotted on his profile, just in case Trump deletes it and has a White House official say the image was "inadvertently posted" again. You know, like he did that time he tweeted a meme of a Trump Train driving into a CNN reporter

Since this retweet shows Trump doesn't have any understanding of how an eclipse works, furious Twitter users were eager to compare Obama to the bright sun, while also pointing out that the meme is straight-up racist.

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#1504156 --- 08/27/17 09:01 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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That's funny! LOL!

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#1504333 --- 08/31/17 01:31 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Somebody posted this on Twitter but I can't find it again:

Quote:
Trump giving a speech on cutting his own taxes while Texas drowns is the most Republican thing that has ever been done.

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#1504340 --- 08/31/17 08:48 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Somebody posted this on Twitter but I can't find it again:

Quote:
Trump giving a speech on cutting his own taxes while Texas drowns is the most Republican thing that has ever been done.




Quote:
Somebody posted this on Twitter


Are you getting your Hot News Tips off twitter now? Or are you one of the many, minor Fake News sources...Kyle?
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#1504344 --- 09/01/17 02:40 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: ThomasDecker]
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/31/opinions/t...rson/index.html

Ex-FEMA official: Trump needs to tell the whole truth about Harvey

By Lars Anderson

Updated 6:59 PM ET, Thu August 31, 2017

This is the scene President Donald Trump flew into Tuesday. And to be sure, the people who have suffered in Harvey's wake needed to hear from him. In a national disaster, the words of the President of the United States matter. He needs to be reassuring to survivors.

But there is something else he must do. He needs to help set realistic expectations for the long road to recovery. He needs to tell them the truth.
The truth is that over the course of the storm, more than 24 trillion gallons of water have fallen on Southeast Texas and southern Louisiana. This recovery will take years and billions of dollars. People continue to be evacuated and tens of thousands of residents will need temporary shelter and transportation to jobs and schools.

The truth is, actually, that he would do well to take a page from President Barack Obama. As Hurricane Sandy made landfall in 2012, those of us at FEMA knew that any failure on our part would be directed at the President. He had an election just weeks away, but his only message to us was to save lives.
He hugged survivors. He called local leaders every day. He made Hurricane Sandy about all of us and led us in how to help them begin the recovery process. Trump faces an even bigger disaster.

t is easy to see why President Trump must show full engagement. He, too can lead by example, by making this -- not other issues -- his focus, and the nation's focus. He can set aside tax reform for the moment, and tell people how to get involved, where to donate money and volunteer. He has the most powerful bully pulpit in the world and he needs to use it to drive attention and aid to the region. He needs to show that he's pushing hard -- every day.

Recovery will not be "quick" as President Trump said. And his waving a Texas flag, as he did Tuesday in Corpus Christi, won't help the people standing in lines to register for FEMA assistance.

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#1504352 --- 09/01/17 04:28 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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I don't see how anyone can be a Catholic or a member of the worlds' Orthodox Christian religion and be a Trump supporter too.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-orthodox-leader-blame-moral-decay-ecology-crisis-064647475.html

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis and the spiritual leader of the world's Orthodox Christians issued a joint appeal Friday for political leaders to "support the consensus of the world" that climate change and other environmental ills have created an ecological crisis that is harming the world's poorest the most.

Francis and Patriarch Bartholomew I called for urgent action to "heal our wounded creation," warning that generations to come will suffer unless concrete and collective action is taken.

They blamed the current state of degradation on "moral decay" and "our insatiable desire to manipulate and control the planet's limited resources, and our greed for limitless profit in markets."

Christianity's top spiritual leaders issued the appeal Friday, which both Catholic and Orthodox churches mark as a day of prayer for God's creation.

Their message didn't single out individual countries, but administration of President Donald Trump has announced it is withdrawing the United States from the Paris climate accord, which seeks to curb emissions of heat-trapping gasses in the atmosphere.

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#1504360 --- 09/02/17 04:45 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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#1504361 --- 09/02/17 04:49 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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#1504362 --- 09/02/17 05:02 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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#1504363 --- 09/02/17 05:13 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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I don't see how anyone can be a Catholic or a member of the worlds' Orthodox Christian religion and be a Trump supporter too.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-orthodox-leader-blame-moral-decay-ecology-crisis-064647475.html

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis and the spiritual leader of the world's Orthodox Christians issued a joint appeal Friday for political leaders to "support the consensus of the world" that climate change and other environmental ills have created an ecological crisis that is harming the world's poorest the most.

Francis and Patriarch Bartholomew I called for urgent action to "heal our wounded creation," warning that generations to come will suffer unless concrete and collective action is taken.

They blamed the current state of degradation on "moral decay" and "our insatiable desire to manipulate and control the planet's limited resources, and our greed for limitless profit in markets."

Christianity's top spiritual leaders issued the appeal Friday, which both Catholic and Orthodox churches mark as a day of prayer for God's creation.

Their message didn't single out individual countries, but administration of President Donald Trump has announced it is withdrawing the United States from the Paris climate accord, which seeks to curb emissions of heat-trapping gasses in the atmosphere.



https://youtu.be/YKuoPBbh58Y
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#1504365 --- 09/02/17 07:09 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
I don't see how anyone can be a Catholic or a member of the worlds' Orthodox Christian religion and be a Trump supporter too.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-orthodox-leader-blame-moral-decay-ecology-crisis-064647475.html

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis and the spiritual leader of the world's Orthodox Christians issued a joint appeal Friday for political leaders to "support the consensus of the world" that climate change and other environmental ills have created an ecological crisis that is harming the world's poorest the most.
Francis and Patriarch Bartholomew I called for urgent action to "heal our wounded creation," warning that generations to come will suffer unless concrete and collective action is taken.
They blamed the current state of degradation on "moral decay" and "our insatiable desire to manipulate and control the planet's limited resources, and our greed for limitless profit in markets."

Christianity's top spiritual leaders issued the appeal Friday, which both Catholic and Orthodox churches mark as a day of prayer for God's creation.

Their message didn't single out individual countries, but administration of President Donald Trump has announced it is withdrawing the United States from the Paris climate accord, which seeks to curb emissions of heat-trapping gasses in the atmosphere.
https://youtu.be/YKuoPBbh58Y
Then someone needs to tell the infallible pope he is wrong.

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#1504390 --- 09/03/17 07:48 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Mueller has got more all the time.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/muellers-investigation-just-got-boost-002052944.html


President Trump's drafted letter laying out his reasons for firing FBI director James Comey could give the special counsel a direct window into the president's intent when he later dismissed Comey.
The letter could also implicate top Trump aide, Stephen Miller, in Robert Mueller's obstruction-of-justice investigation.
The advice that White House counsel Don McGahn gave Trump to dissuade him from sending the letter could also prove to be a critical piece of the puzzle.

News on Friday that special counsel Robert Mueller has obtained a letter drafted by President Donald Trump that details his reasons for firing then-FBI director James Comey has likely bolstered the progress of the Russia investigation, and may have landed another close Trump confidant in its crosshairs.

Mueller was put in charge of the investigation — which is examining whether the Trump campaign colluded with Moscow during last year's presidential election — after Trump dismissed Comey in May. As part of his investigation, Mueller is also examining whether Trump obstructed justice when he fired the FBI director four months ago.

The letter Mueller is reviewing was drafted by Trump along with policy adviser Stephen Miller, and legal experts say it is possibly the most critical piece of evidence in Mueller's obstruction-of-justice case since Comey's testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee in June, because it can give prosecutors a direct window into Trump's thinking shortly before he fired Comey.

The biggest challenge a prosecutor faces in an obstruction-of-justice case is proving corrupt intent, which is almost always difficult to establish. But Trump's letter could change the ballgame.

"The best way to prove someone's intent is through their own words and actions," former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti told Business Insider in an interview Saturday. "Here, you have a letter that was written by Miller, at the direction of the president, that contains what the president's thoughts were at that time."

Though the letter's full contents remain unclear, The Washington Post reported that it focused on what was perhaps Trump's greatest frustration with Comey: that the FBI director did not publicly announce, when he was leading the bureau's investigation, that Trump was not personally under investigation.

"It's problematic for Trump if he fired Comey because he did not take actions in the investigation that would benefit Trump personally," Mariotti said. "That makes Mueller's case stronger."

Cornell Law School associate dean and criminal law expert Jens David Ohlin echoed that assessment.

"The draft letter is extremely relevant to Mueller's investigation because it may yield evidence about the true reason that Trump fired Comey," Ohlin said. "If Trump fired Comey to impede an investigation that might implicate his own campaign or administration, that is obstruction of justice."

Trump put the letter together shortly after Comey's May 3 testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, during which he defended his handling of the investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server when she was secretary of state. The president was reportedly incensed after Comey acknowledged that his October announcement that the FBI was reopening its investigation into Clinton, days before the election, could have impacted its results.

Trump's lawyer, Ty Cobb, told Business Insider in an email Saturday that the letter has long been in Mueller's possession and its existence was known both to the special counsel's team, as well as to the Department of Justice, "which has had a copy since the day it was first discussed within the White House." He added there was "little, IF ANY, objection within the White House" to the letter, and that it focused primarily on Comey's "usurpation of powers and other erratic and inexplicable conduct."

The long weekend during which Trump drafted the letter at his Bedminster golf club began on Thursday, May 4, The New York Times reported on Friday. Deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein was given a copy of Trump's draft letter on Monday, May 8, and then proceeded to write a separate memo as to why Comey should be fired.

The letter also implicates Miller, who The Post said acted as a "stenographer" for Trump in writing the letter.

Miller, an ally of the recently ousted chief strategist Steve Bannon, has emerged in recent months as a Trump loyalist within the administration.

Given his role in the matter, Miller will likely be, at the very least, a witness in Mueller's investigation. Other possible witnesses include Trump's daughter, Ivanka, and her husband, Jared Kushner, who were both with Trump at his Bedminster golf club when he drafted the letter during a weekend in early May.

If Miller acted primarily as a transcriber, he could have a smaller part in the investigation. However, "if he was actively working with the president to plan how they could derail or kill the Russia investigation," Mariotti said, "that could present legal problems for Miller."

Ohlin added that Miller and anyone else involved in Comey's firing — or drafting the letter — may be accessories or co-conspirators to that crime as well.

The question then becomes, Mariotti added, "whether there was an agreement between Miller and the president to obstruct justice." If that were the case, it could amount to conspiracy, he said.


Another way the adviser could be implicated in the investigation is if, for example, the president was acting in a way to obstruct justice, and Miller knew about that and tried to do what he could to help Trump succeed. If that were the case, Miller could have been aiding and abetting a crime.

Mariotti said those two possibilities are likely the biggest potential sources of criminal liability for Miller.

The letter, as a whole, is a crucial part of the Russia controversy because it "goes directly to the biggest issue at question — what Trump's intent was as to the Russia investigation," Mariotti said.

Trump's best defense would likely be that the draft letter did not reflect his true thinking on the subject, and that's why never sent it, Ohlin said.

He added, however, that he didn't believe the argument would hold much water because "it seems more likely that the draft letter reflected his true thinking, but then was edited down for other reasons."

Though the White House initially said that Trump fired Comey based entirely on Rosenstein's and Attorney General Jeff Sessions' recommendations, Trump later said he had already decided to fire Comey, and that Rosenstein's recommendation sealed the

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#1504447 --- 09/05/17 09:32 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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BLAH BLAH BLAH! They got nothing Kyle!

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#1504456 --- 09/06/17 01:54 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
BLAH BLAH BLAH! They got nothing Kyle!
It is truly amazing that you believe that. You are the basest of his ever shrinking base. Apparently you understand nothing about the rule of law.

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#1504560 --- 09/08/17 12:43 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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HuffPost‏Verified account @HuffPost 46m46 minutes ago

Rush Limbaugh says Hurricane Irma is conspiracy, evacuates anyway http://huffp.st/ZyEfrPt

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#1504561 --- 09/08/17 12:47 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Chris Hayes Retweeted

Brian Merchant‏Verified account @bcmerchant Sep 7

As Irma heads for Florida, remember that Gov. Scott's climate change denial has explicitly and seriously hindered his state's preparedness.

74 replies 1,743 retweets 1,780 likes

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#1504563 --- 09/08/17 02:52 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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#1504565 --- 09/08/17 06:16 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: cwjga]
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A congress is something now controlled by the Republicans along with the presidency. But Trump discovered it is easier to work with the minority Dems in congress rather than the majority Reps. This gets funnier by the day.

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#1504572 --- 09/09/17 05:44 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/08...mulvaney-242490

Republicans are putting Trump on notice: Don’t do this to us again.

The room booed when Mulvaney refused Texas GOP Rep. Joe Barton’s request that he commit to reducing spending as part of the next debt ceiling hike. Lawmakers also repeatedly voiced frustration that the administration refused to commit to tackling conservative priorities in December, when a confluence of fiscal fights — including a long-term government spending agreement — are expected.

Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), chairman of the hard-line House Freedom Caucus, downplayed the tension in the room, suggesting differences were philosophical, not personal: Many lawmakers were eager to vote for relief for Hurricane Harvey victims, but they were also torn over lifting the nation’s borrowing limit.

But one thing was clear, he said. Democrats won the week.

“I think that they would be accurate in suggesting that Democrats had a win on this because there are no structural reforms to the debt ceiling that was included with the debt ceiling vote,” Meadows said. “Indeed, it’s the first time I can recall we’re increasing the debt ceiling without something conservative being attached to it.”

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#1504574 --- 09/09/17 10:08 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/09/trump-creates-hazards-for-republicans-congress-242499

President Donald Trump’s flirtations with Democrats and fixation on divisive campaign promises have paved the way for hazardous, rolling deadlines over the next six months on spending, the debt ceiling and immigration.

The debt and spending bill approved by Capitol Hill on Friday averted imminent fiscal disaster, but it’s added more misery for a Republican Party whose agenda has floundered even with unified control of Washington for the first time in a decade. It’s also given Democrats significant leverage to imperil tax reform, the GOP’s best hope at a major legislative victory.

Rather than dictating the agenda of Capitol Hill, Republican lawmakers oftentimes find themselves at the whims of a capricious White House, Democrats in the minority and a calendar that’s getting increasingly packed ahead of campaign season next spring.

Speaker Paul Ryan predicted in January that tax reform, Obamacare repeal and a border wall would all be done by now. Instead, Obamacare repeal may be completely dead at month’s end, there are just broad strokes on tax reform and many Republicans oppose the border wall being pushed by their own president.

Now GOP lawmakers across the party’s ideological spectrum are agonizing about the party’s stark lack of achievements after getting rolled by Democrats in debt ceiling negotiations this week.

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#1504613 --- 09/10/17 08:05 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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DOOM & GLOOM! LOL!

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#1504629 --- 09/11/17 01:58 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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The Trump-Russia Investigation has accelerated. Armed with more evidence, and assisted by many of the most talented prosecutors and investigators in the country, special counsel Robert Mueller has impaneled a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C., to investigate whether President Trump and his associates colluded with Russian operatives to win the White House.

The fact that a federal grand jury has been impaneled is a significant development by itself; prosecutors don’t ordinarily convene grand juries unless there is a compelling reason to do so. The grand jury probe has expanded to include whether Trump obstructed justice by firing FBI Director James Comey. And it is also reasonable to believe that Mueller’s team is presenting evidence to the grand jury relating to financial connections between Trump, the Trump Organization, and Trump’s business associates with Russia and Russian interests.

We have a fairly good picture of where the grand jury investigation will go. Although it is not known who all has been subpoenaed to appear before the grand jury, many of them have already made statements, and we can reasonably assume that many of them already have been interrogated by federal investigators. We do not know whether any of these individuals has sought immunity from prosecution, been granted immunity, and has given testimony. Also, the fact that investigators obtained a search warrant to search Paul Manafort’s home in July is quite significant. Manafort was Trump’s campaign manager and had the most far-reaching financial ties with the Ukraine and Russia. Prosecutors in order to obtain a warrant must demonstrate probable cause to believe that Manafort committed federal crimes.

But clearly the most critical witness of all, and a likely target of the investigation, is Trump himself. As the grand jury investigation accelerates, and it focuses on Trump’s role, he will almost certainly be subpoenaed, and his testimony demanded. When that happens, what follows is unclear. Given Trump’s almost pathological contempt for the rule of law and for Mueller’s investigation, which Trump has repeatedly disparaged as a “witch hunt,” it is reasonably predictable that Trump’s lawyers will flout the grand jury’s investigation, mock Mueller, and refuse to testify. Will Trump succeed in spurning the process?

It should be emphasized that Trump has no legal privilege to avoid testifying before the grand jury. A grand jury, the most formidable investigative body in the United States, has the power to compel testimony from anyone, even a president, as Bill Clinton was compelled to do for the first time in U.S. history in the 1998 investigation by independent counsel Kenneth Starr into whether he lied about having an inappropriate relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky. And the Supreme Court has consistently reaffirmed the awesome powers of the grand jury, stating that “the public has a right to every man’s evidence,” including the president.

Although Trump’s lawyers most likely will advise him to resist testifying, probably claiming, as did former President Richard Nixon, some type of executive privilege, they will almost certainly lose. The Supreme Court decisively rejected that claim when Nixon refused to comply with a grand jury subpoena for records of conversations with White House associates.

When Trump is summoned, and presumably despite his resistance if ordered by a court to testify, will he comply? If not, will he be held in contempt? If Trump and the prosecutors try to negotiate some compromise, it is conceivable that the prosecutors will grant him immunity and thereby compel him to testify. As long as the prosecutors are careful, giving Trump immunity will not necessarily have any significant legal impact on the investigation, or the ability of prosecutors to charge

Immunity prevents the prosecutors from using Trump’s testimony against him, and from using any evidentiary leads gained from his testimony. But assuming that proof of Trump’s criminal offenses has already been discovered—such as proof of his obstruction of justice in seeking to halt the Flynn investigation or firing Comey—then despite giving him immunity, that proof can legally be used to prosecute him. And despite immunity, Trump can be prosecuted for perjury for giving false testimony.

Based on information that already is known, and reasonable inferences from other information that has likely been discovered (such as Trump’s financial records and testimony from other witnesses), these are some of the general areas that Trump likely would be questioned about. It is important to note that each of these areas is a relatively core subject, and would likely be the foundation to develop peripheral questions:

- Did Trump know when he was running for president and hired Paul Manafort as his campaign manager that Manafort had extensive financial dealings and lobbying work with Ukrainian and pro-Russian officials? Did he discuss Manafort’s connections with anyone?

- What was the basis for Trump’s decision to fire Comey? With whom did he discuss the firing? Did he discuss the firing with Attorney General Jeff Sessions?

- Did Trump know that his son Donald Jr., son-in-law Jared Kushner, and Paul Manfort met with a Russian lawyer during the campaign and allegedly obtained damaging information about Hillary Clinton? When did he learn about the meeting? From whom? What was his response?

- Did Trump alter Don Jr.’s initial statement about the Russia meeting, in which Don Jr. stated that he met to discuss Russian adoption but then changed this fabricated story to a new explanation that he wanted to judge Clinton’s “fitness.”

- Did Trump know that during his campaign his company was seeking to develop a real estate project in Moscow? What was he told? By whom?

- Did Trump have any financial dealings, projects, loans, and any other financial or other interests with Russia, Russian officials, and Russian business interests?

- Did Trump know of any contacts between persons involved in his campaign and Russian intelligence operatives? Who were these persons? Did he have any conversations with them?

As with so many other grand jury investigations, it is possible that the substantive offenses that the grand jury is investigating—here the principal focus is collusion between the Trump team and Russian officials to undermine the presidential election—may not be able to be proved conclusively. Nevertheless, when confronted with specific questions about their knowledge of certain facts, their previous statements, previous meetings, and numerous other relevant albeit peripheral details about subjects that reasonably should be memorable to the witness, it is not uncommon for the witness either to claim lack of memory, or lie.

And if Trump becomes a grand jury witness, and given his abundantly documented penchant for lying, brazenly, and almost reflexively, it is very likely that the prosecutors will be able to pose clear, specific, and non-ambiguous questions to Trump of which he might claim an inability to remember, but which he also might answer falsely and thereby commit a felony. Indeed, that is exactly how Independent Counsel Starr was able to lay the foundation for the impeachment of President Clinton by in effect trapping Clinton into lying about his conduct with intern Lewinsky.

Whether Trump will be indicted, for what, and the legal consequences, are not clear or predictable. Indeed, the question of whether a sitting president can be prosecuted at all has been hotly debated. Whether Trump is able to claim some type of presidential immunity from prosecution may ultimately have to be ruled on by the Supreme Court, as was the case with Nixon. The court did hold in the Paula Jones civil lawsuit that Clinton enjoyed no immunity from civil liability for unofficial acts committed before he became president. The lesson in that case is that no person is above the law, even a president. Whether that lesson applies to Trump may likely be decided soon.


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#1504639 --- 09/11/17 12:19 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Kyle find a new hobby! Your obsessed with this issue and making a fool of yourself like you did with the landfill

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#1504651 --- 09/11/17 01:47 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Kyle find a new hobby! Your obsessed with this issue and making a fool of yourself like you did with the landfill
I am obsessed with Mueller finding out the truth? Yes I am and so should every thinking American with common sense.

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#1504667 --- 09/11/17 02:01 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Kyle find a new hobby! Your obsessed with this issue and making a fool of yourself like you did with the landfill
I am obsessed with Mueller finding out the truth? Yes I am and so should every thinking American with common sense.
What's going to happen when nothing happens?

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#1504668 --- 09/11/17 02:02 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Kyle find a new hobby! Your obsessed with this issue and making a fool of yourself like you did with the landfill
I am obsessed with Mueller finding out the truth? Yes I am and so should every thinking American with common sense.
What's going to happen when nothing happens?
You have got to be kidding. Almost every day I post something showing how they are finding out more and more.

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#1504675 --- 09/11/17 02:06 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Opinions not facts!

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#1504681 --- 09/11/17 02:11 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Opinions not facts!
OMG. They are coming up with more facts every day. They give a grand jury facts not opinions. I was on one once.

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#1504684 --- 09/11/17 02:14 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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They give grand juries their interpretation of what happened! It's up to the grand jury to decide if it is factual or not!

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#1504688 --- 09/11/17 03:03 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
They give grand juries their interpretation of what happened! It's up to the grand jury to decide if it is factual or not!

http://izquotes.com/quote/390624

“Any good prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a HAM sandwich.”
―Sol Wachtler
Source/Notes:
As quoted in: N.Y. Daily News, 31 January 1985

Read more at http://izquotes.com/quote/390624

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#1504704 --- 09/11/17 11:03 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Good is the key word Kyle!

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#1504723 --- 09/13/17 04:14 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Washington Post‏Verified account @washingtonpost 6h6 hours ago

Perspective: If the mainstream media is so fake, why did Bannon go on "60 Minutes"?

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#1504763 --- 09/14/17 01:16 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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WOW. WOW.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrats-flip-state-house-seats-160414424.html

Democrats won two GOP-held legislative seats in Oklahoma and New Hampshire on Tuesday, bringing the total number of state legislature seats the party has flipped since the November election to six.

The Democratic victory in Oklahoma was especially striking. Democrat Jacob Rosecrants, a 46-year-old schoolteacher, defeated Republican Darin Chambers, a businessman, by nearly 21 percentage points in a special election to represent District 46 in Oklahoma’s House of Representatives. The district encompasses part of the city of Norman, home of the University of Oklahoma.

Rosecrants had lost by a nearly identical margin in a previous race for the seat in November. The seat opened up, however, when Republican Scott Martin resigned to head the Norman Chamber of Commerce, prompting Tuesday’s special election.

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#1504823 --- 09/16/17 12:10 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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I am sure there is not a world leader of another country that likes Trump. Well maybe Putin. What a terrible mess the US is in.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/15/trump-london-bombing-terrorists-scotland-yard-242761

British officials rebuked President Donald Trump on Friday for claiming that the individuals responsible for setting off explosives in the London subway had been “in the sights of” law enforcement who failed to be “proactive.”

Prime Minister Theresa May reproached Trump for his rhetoric in the wake of what police are investigating as a terrorist attack that injured at least 29 people.

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#1504975 --- 09/21/17 07:17 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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They don't like him cause he tells it like it is!

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#1504985 --- 09/21/17 09:28 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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They don't like him cause he tells it like it is!

And every time he tells it, he tells it differently. grin
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#1504989 --- 09/21/17 09:54 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
They don't like him cause he tells it like it is!

And every time he tells it, he tells it differently. grin
Just like crooked Hilary then! LOL!

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