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#1504344 --- 09/01/17 02:40 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: ThomasDecker]
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/31/opinions/t...rson/index.html

Ex-FEMA official: Trump needs to tell the whole truth about Harvey

By Lars Anderson

Updated 6:59 PM ET, Thu August 31, 2017

This is the scene President Donald Trump flew into Tuesday. And to be sure, the people who have suffered in Harvey's wake needed to hear from him. In a national disaster, the words of the President of the United States matter. He needs to be reassuring to survivors.

But there is something else he must do. He needs to help set realistic expectations for the long road to recovery. He needs to tell them the truth.
The truth is that over the course of the storm, more than 24 trillion gallons of water have fallen on Southeast Texas and southern Louisiana. This recovery will take years and billions of dollars. People continue to be evacuated and tens of thousands of residents will need temporary shelter and transportation to jobs and schools.

The truth is, actually, that he would do well to take a page from President Barack Obama. As Hurricane Sandy made landfall in 2012, those of us at FEMA knew that any failure on our part would be directed at the President. He had an election just weeks away, but his only message to us was to save lives.
He hugged survivors. He called local leaders every day. He made Hurricane Sandy about all of us and led us in how to help them begin the recovery process. Trump faces an even bigger disaster.

t is easy to see why President Trump must show full engagement. He, too can lead by example, by making this -- not other issues -- his focus, and the nation's focus. He can set aside tax reform for the moment, and tell people how to get involved, where to donate money and volunteer. He has the most powerful bully pulpit in the world and he needs to use it to drive attention and aid to the region. He needs to show that he's pushing hard -- every day.

Recovery will not be "quick" as President Trump said. And his waving a Texas flag, as he did Tuesday in Corpus Christi, won't help the people standing in lines to register for FEMA assistance.

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#1504352 --- 09/01/17 04:28 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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I don't see how anyone can be a Catholic or a member of the worlds' Orthodox Christian religion and be a Trump supporter too.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-orthodox-leader-blame-moral-decay-ecology-crisis-064647475.html

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis and the spiritual leader of the world's Orthodox Christians issued a joint appeal Friday for political leaders to "support the consensus of the world" that climate change and other environmental ills have created an ecological crisis that is harming the world's poorest the most.

Francis and Patriarch Bartholomew I called for urgent action to "heal our wounded creation," warning that generations to come will suffer unless concrete and collective action is taken.

They blamed the current state of degradation on "moral decay" and "our insatiable desire to manipulate and control the planet's limited resources, and our greed for limitless profit in markets."

Christianity's top spiritual leaders issued the appeal Friday, which both Catholic and Orthodox churches mark as a day of prayer for God's creation.

Their message didn't single out individual countries, but administration of President Donald Trump has announced it is withdrawing the United States from the Paris climate accord, which seeks to curb emissions of heat-trapping gasses in the atmosphere.

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#1504360 --- 09/02/17 04:45 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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#1504361 --- 09/02/17 04:49 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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#1504362 --- 09/02/17 05:02 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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#1504363 --- 09/02/17 05:13 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
I don't see how anyone can be a Catholic or a member of the worlds' Orthodox Christian religion and be a Trump supporter too.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-orthodox-leader-blame-moral-decay-ecology-crisis-064647475.html

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis and the spiritual leader of the world's Orthodox Christians issued a joint appeal Friday for political leaders to "support the consensus of the world" that climate change and other environmental ills have created an ecological crisis that is harming the world's poorest the most.

Francis and Patriarch Bartholomew I called for urgent action to "heal our wounded creation," warning that generations to come will suffer unless concrete and collective action is taken.

They blamed the current state of degradation on "moral decay" and "our insatiable desire to manipulate and control the planet's limited resources, and our greed for limitless profit in markets."

Christianity's top spiritual leaders issued the appeal Friday, which both Catholic and Orthodox churches mark as a day of prayer for God's creation.

Their message didn't single out individual countries, but administration of President Donald Trump has announced it is withdrawing the United States from the Paris climate accord, which seeks to curb emissions of heat-trapping gasses in the atmosphere.



https://youtu.be/YKuoPBbh58Y
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#1504365 --- 09/02/17 07:09 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: kyle585
I don't see how anyone can be a Catholic or a member of the worlds' Orthodox Christian religion and be a Trump supporter too.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-orthodox-leader-blame-moral-decay-ecology-crisis-064647475.html

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis and the spiritual leader of the world's Orthodox Christians issued a joint appeal Friday for political leaders to "support the consensus of the world" that climate change and other environmental ills have created an ecological crisis that is harming the world's poorest the most.
Francis and Patriarch Bartholomew I called for urgent action to "heal our wounded creation," warning that generations to come will suffer unless concrete and collective action is taken.
They blamed the current state of degradation on "moral decay" and "our insatiable desire to manipulate and control the planet's limited resources, and our greed for limitless profit in markets."

Christianity's top spiritual leaders issued the appeal Friday, which both Catholic and Orthodox churches mark as a day of prayer for God's creation.

Their message didn't single out individual countries, but administration of President Donald Trump has announced it is withdrawing the United States from the Paris climate accord, which seeks to curb emissions of heat-trapping gasses in the atmosphere.
https://youtu.be/YKuoPBbh58Y
Then someone needs to tell the infallible pope he is wrong.

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#1504390 --- 09/03/17 07:48 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Mueller has got more all the time.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/muellers-investigation-just-got-boost-002052944.html


President Trump's drafted letter laying out his reasons for firing FBI director James Comey could give the special counsel a direct window into the president's intent when he later dismissed Comey.
The letter could also implicate top Trump aide, Stephen Miller, in Robert Mueller's obstruction-of-justice investigation.
The advice that White House counsel Don McGahn gave Trump to dissuade him from sending the letter could also prove to be a critical piece of the puzzle.

News on Friday that special counsel Robert Mueller has obtained a letter drafted by President Donald Trump that details his reasons for firing then-FBI director James Comey has likely bolstered the progress of the Russia investigation, and may have landed another close Trump confidant in its crosshairs.

Mueller was put in charge of the investigation — which is examining whether the Trump campaign colluded with Moscow during last year's presidential election — after Trump dismissed Comey in May. As part of his investigation, Mueller is also examining whether Trump obstructed justice when he fired the FBI director four months ago.

The letter Mueller is reviewing was drafted by Trump along with policy adviser Stephen Miller, and legal experts say it is possibly the most critical piece of evidence in Mueller's obstruction-of-justice case since Comey's testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee in June, because it can give prosecutors a direct window into Trump's thinking shortly before he fired Comey.

The biggest challenge a prosecutor faces in an obstruction-of-justice case is proving corrupt intent, which is almost always difficult to establish. But Trump's letter could change the ballgame.

"The best way to prove someone's intent is through their own words and actions," former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti told Business Insider in an interview Saturday. "Here, you have a letter that was written by Miller, at the direction of the president, that contains what the president's thoughts were at that time."

Though the letter's full contents remain unclear, The Washington Post reported that it focused on what was perhaps Trump's greatest frustration with Comey: that the FBI director did not publicly announce, when he was leading the bureau's investigation, that Trump was not personally under investigation.

"It's problematic for Trump if he fired Comey because he did not take actions in the investigation that would benefit Trump personally," Mariotti said. "That makes Mueller's case stronger."

Cornell Law School associate dean and criminal law expert Jens David Ohlin echoed that assessment.

"The draft letter is extremely relevant to Mueller's investigation because it may yield evidence about the true reason that Trump fired Comey," Ohlin said. "If Trump fired Comey to impede an investigation that might implicate his own campaign or administration, that is obstruction of justice."

Trump put the letter together shortly after Comey's May 3 testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, during which he defended his handling of the investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server when she was secretary of state. The president was reportedly incensed after Comey acknowledged that his October announcement that the FBI was reopening its investigation into Clinton, days before the election, could have impacted its results.

Trump's lawyer, Ty Cobb, told Business Insider in an email Saturday that the letter has long been in Mueller's possession and its existence was known both to the special counsel's team, as well as to the Department of Justice, "which has had a copy since the day it was first discussed within the White House." He added there was "little, IF ANY, objection within the White House" to the letter, and that it focused primarily on Comey's "usurpation of powers and other erratic and inexplicable conduct."

The long weekend during which Trump drafted the letter at his Bedminster golf club began on Thursday, May 4, The New York Times reported on Friday. Deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein was given a copy of Trump's draft letter on Monday, May 8, and then proceeded to write a separate memo as to why Comey should be fired.

The letter also implicates Miller, who The Post said acted as a "stenographer" for Trump in writing the letter.

Miller, an ally of the recently ousted chief strategist Steve Bannon, has emerged in recent months as a Trump loyalist within the administration.

Given his role in the matter, Miller will likely be, at the very least, a witness in Mueller's investigation. Other possible witnesses include Trump's daughter, Ivanka, and her husband, Jared Kushner, who were both with Trump at his Bedminster golf club when he drafted the letter during a weekend in early May.

If Miller acted primarily as a transcriber, he could have a smaller part in the investigation. However, "if he was actively working with the president to plan how they could derail or kill the Russia investigation," Mariotti said, "that could present legal problems for Miller."

Ohlin added that Miller and anyone else involved in Comey's firing — or drafting the letter — may be accessories or co-conspirators to that crime as well.

The question then becomes, Mariotti added, "whether there was an agreement between Miller and the president to obstruct justice." If that were the case, it could amount to conspiracy, he said.


Another way the adviser could be implicated in the investigation is if, for example, the president was acting in a way to obstruct justice, and Miller knew about that and tried to do what he could to help Trump succeed. If that were the case, Miller could have been aiding and abetting a crime.

Mariotti said those two possibilities are likely the biggest potential sources of criminal liability for Miller.

The letter, as a whole, is a crucial part of the Russia controversy because it "goes directly to the biggest issue at question — what Trump's intent was as to the Russia investigation," Mariotti said.

Trump's best defense would likely be that the draft letter did not reflect his true thinking on the subject, and that's why never sent it, Ohlin said.

He added, however, that he didn't believe the argument would hold much water because "it seems more likely that the draft letter reflected his true thinking, but then was edited down for other reasons."

Though the White House initially said that Trump fired Comey based entirely on Rosenstein's and Attorney General Jeff Sessions' recommendations, Trump later said he had already decided to fire Comey, and that Rosenstein's recommendation sealed the

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#1504447 --- 09/05/17 09:32 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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BLAH BLAH BLAH! They got nothing Kyle!

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#1504456 --- 09/06/17 01:54 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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BLAH BLAH BLAH! They got nothing Kyle!
It is truly amazing that you believe that. You are the basest of his ever shrinking base. Apparently you understand nothing about the rule of law.

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#1504560 --- 09/08/17 12:43 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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HuffPost&#8207;Verified account @HuffPost 46m46 minutes ago

Rush Limbaugh says Hurricane Irma is conspiracy, evacuates anyway http://huffp.st/ZyEfrPt

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#1504561 --- 09/08/17 12:47 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Chris Hayes Retweeted

Brian Merchant&#8207;Verified account @bcmerchant Sep 7

As Irma heads for Florida, remember that Gov. Scott's climate change denial has explicitly and seriously hindered his state's preparedness.

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#1504563 --- 09/08/17 02:52 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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#1504565 --- 09/08/17 06:16 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
A congress is something now controlled by the Republicans along with the presidency. But Trump discovered it is easier to work with the minority Dems in congress rather than the majority Reps. This gets funnier by the day.

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#1504572 --- 09/09/17 05:44 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/08...mulvaney-242490

Republicans are putting Trump on notice: Don’t do this to us again.

The room booed when Mulvaney refused Texas GOP Rep. Joe Barton’s request that he commit to reducing spending as part of the next debt ceiling hike. Lawmakers also repeatedly voiced frustration that the administration refused to commit to tackling conservative priorities in December, when a confluence of fiscal fights — including a long-term government spending agreement — are expected.

Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), chairman of the hard-line House Freedom Caucus, downplayed the tension in the room, suggesting differences were philosophical, not personal: Many lawmakers were eager to vote for relief for Hurricane Harvey victims, but they were also torn over lifting the nation’s borrowing limit.

But one thing was clear, he said. Democrats won the week.

“I think that they would be accurate in suggesting that Democrats had a win on this because there are no structural reforms to the debt ceiling that was included with the debt ceiling vote,” Meadows said. “Indeed, it’s the first time I can recall we’re increasing the debt ceiling without something conservative being attached to it.”

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#1504574 --- 09/09/17 10:08 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/09/trump-creates-hazards-for-republicans-congress-242499

President Donald Trump’s flirtations with Democrats and fixation on divisive campaign promises have paved the way for hazardous, rolling deadlines over the next six months on spending, the debt ceiling and immigration.

The debt and spending bill approved by Capitol Hill on Friday averted imminent fiscal disaster, but it’s added more misery for a Republican Party whose agenda has floundered even with unified control of Washington for the first time in a decade. It’s also given Democrats significant leverage to imperil tax reform, the GOP’s best hope at a major legislative victory.

Rather than dictating the agenda of Capitol Hill, Republican lawmakers oftentimes find themselves at the whims of a capricious White House, Democrats in the minority and a calendar that’s getting increasingly packed ahead of campaign season next spring.

Speaker Paul Ryan predicted in January that tax reform, Obamacare repeal and a border wall would all be done by now. Instead, Obamacare repeal may be completely dead at month’s end, there are just broad strokes on tax reform and many Republicans oppose the border wall being pushed by their own president.

Now GOP lawmakers across the party’s ideological spectrum are agonizing about the party’s stark lack of achievements after getting rolled by Democrats in debt ceiling negotiations this week.

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#1504613 --- 09/10/17 08:05 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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DOOM & GLOOM! LOL!

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#1504629 --- 09/11/17 01:58 AM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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The Trump-Russia Investigation has accelerated. Armed with more evidence, and assisted by many of the most talented prosecutors and investigators in the country, special counsel Robert Mueller has impaneled a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C., to investigate whether President Trump and his associates colluded with Russian operatives to win the White House.

The fact that a federal grand jury has been impaneled is a significant development by itself; prosecutors don’t ordinarily convene grand juries unless there is a compelling reason to do so. The grand jury probe has expanded to include whether Trump obstructed justice by firing FBI Director James Comey. And it is also reasonable to believe that Mueller’s team is presenting evidence to the grand jury relating to financial connections between Trump, the Trump Organization, and Trump’s business associates with Russia and Russian interests.

We have a fairly good picture of where the grand jury investigation will go. Although it is not known who all has been subpoenaed to appear before the grand jury, many of them have already made statements, and we can reasonably assume that many of them already have been interrogated by federal investigators. We do not know whether any of these individuals has sought immunity from prosecution, been granted immunity, and has given testimony. Also, the fact that investigators obtained a search warrant to search Paul Manafort’s home in July is quite significant. Manafort was Trump’s campaign manager and had the most far-reaching financial ties with the Ukraine and Russia. Prosecutors in order to obtain a warrant must demonstrate probable cause to believe that Manafort committed federal crimes.

But clearly the most critical witness of all, and a likely target of the investigation, is Trump himself. As the grand jury investigation accelerates, and it focuses on Trump’s role, he will almost certainly be subpoenaed, and his testimony demanded. When that happens, what follows is unclear. Given Trump’s almost pathological contempt for the rule of law and for Mueller’s investigation, which Trump has repeatedly disparaged as a “witch hunt,” it is reasonably predictable that Trump’s lawyers will flout the grand jury’s investigation, mock Mueller, and refuse to testify. Will Trump succeed in spurning the process?

It should be emphasized that Trump has no legal privilege to avoid testifying before the grand jury. A grand jury, the most formidable investigative body in the United States, has the power to compel testimony from anyone, even a president, as Bill Clinton was compelled to do for the first time in U.S. history in the 1998 investigation by independent counsel Kenneth Starr into whether he lied about having an inappropriate relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky. And the Supreme Court has consistently reaffirmed the awesome powers of the grand jury, stating that “the public has a right to every man’s evidence,” including the president.

Although Trump’s lawyers most likely will advise him to resist testifying, probably claiming, as did former President Richard Nixon, some type of executive privilege, they will almost certainly lose. The Supreme Court decisively rejected that claim when Nixon refused to comply with a grand jury subpoena for records of conversations with White House associates.

When Trump is summoned, and presumably despite his resistance if ordered by a court to testify, will he comply? If not, will he be held in contempt? If Trump and the prosecutors try to negotiate some compromise, it is conceivable that the prosecutors will grant him immunity and thereby compel him to testify. As long as the prosecutors are careful, giving Trump immunity will not necessarily have any significant legal impact on the investigation, or the ability of prosecutors to charge

Immunity prevents the prosecutors from using Trump’s testimony against him, and from using any evidentiary leads gained from his testimony. But assuming that proof of Trump’s criminal offenses has already been discovered—such as proof of his obstruction of justice in seeking to halt the Flynn investigation or firing Comey—then despite giving him immunity, that proof can legally be used to prosecute him. And despite immunity, Trump can be prosecuted for perjury for giving false testimony.

Based on information that already is known, and reasonable inferences from other information that has likely been discovered (such as Trump’s financial records and testimony from other witnesses), these are some of the general areas that Trump likely would be questioned about. It is important to note that each of these areas is a relatively core subject, and would likely be the foundation to develop peripheral questions:

- Did Trump know when he was running for president and hired Paul Manafort as his campaign manager that Manafort had extensive financial dealings and lobbying work with Ukrainian and pro-Russian officials? Did he discuss Manafort’s connections with anyone?

- What was the basis for Trump’s decision to fire Comey? With whom did he discuss the firing? Did he discuss the firing with Attorney General Jeff Sessions?

- Did Trump know that his son Donald Jr., son-in-law Jared Kushner, and Paul Manfort met with a Russian lawyer during the campaign and allegedly obtained damaging information about Hillary Clinton? When did he learn about the meeting? From whom? What was his response?

- Did Trump alter Don Jr.’s initial statement about the Russia meeting, in which Don Jr. stated that he met to discuss Russian adoption but then changed this fabricated story to a new explanation that he wanted to judge Clinton’s “fitness.”

- Did Trump know that during his campaign his company was seeking to develop a real estate project in Moscow? What was he told? By whom?

- Did Trump have any financial dealings, projects, loans, and any other financial or other interests with Russia, Russian officials, and Russian business interests?

- Did Trump know of any contacts between persons involved in his campaign and Russian intelligence operatives? Who were these persons? Did he have any conversations with them?

As with so many other grand jury investigations, it is possible that the substantive offenses that the grand jury is investigating—here the principal focus is collusion between the Trump team and Russian officials to undermine the presidential election—may not be able to be proved conclusively. Nevertheless, when confronted with specific questions about their knowledge of certain facts, their previous statements, previous meetings, and numerous other relevant albeit peripheral details about subjects that reasonably should be memorable to the witness, it is not uncommon for the witness either to claim lack of memory, or lie.

And if Trump becomes a grand jury witness, and given his abundantly documented penchant for lying, brazenly, and almost reflexively, it is very likely that the prosecutors will be able to pose clear, specific, and non-ambiguous questions to Trump of which he might claim an inability to remember, but which he also might answer falsely and thereby commit a felony. Indeed, that is exactly how Independent Counsel Starr was able to lay the foundation for the impeachment of President Clinton by in effect trapping Clinton into lying about his conduct with intern Lewinsky.

Whether Trump will be indicted, for what, and the legal consequences, are not clear or predictable. Indeed, the question of whether a sitting president can be prosecuted at all has been hotly debated. Whether Trump is able to claim some type of presidential immunity from prosecution may ultimately have to be ruled on by the Supreme Court, as was the case with Nixon. The court did hold in the Paula Jones civil lawsuit that Clinton enjoyed no immunity from civil liability for unofficial acts committed before he became president. The lesson in that case is that no person is above the law, even a president. Whether that lesson applies to Trump may likely be decided soon.


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#1504639 --- 09/11/17 12:19 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Kyle find a new hobby! Your obsessed with this issue and making a fool of yourself like you did with the landfill

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#1504651 --- 09/11/17 01:47 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Kyle find a new hobby! Your obsessed with this issue and making a fool of yourself like you did with the landfill
I am obsessed with Mueller finding out the truth? Yes I am and so should every thinking American with common sense.

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