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#1500347 --- 06/23/17 10:12 AM "fundamental meanness"
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"public service is not about sport or notching a political win...it’s to make people’s lives better." -Barack Obama


Killing People For Tax Cuts: What The F*ck World Are We Living In?

by Abby Zimet, staff writer
CommonDreams

June 22, 2017


Trying to stay alive. Photo by Mark Wilson/Getty Images


Now we've gone so low we're down to dueling obscenities: The GOP Senate version of "health care" aka tax cuts for the richest 2% of Americans vs. the ungodly spectacle of Capitol police arresting, manhandling and dragging out of wheelchairs disabled people protesting its monstrousness outside the office of Mitch McConnell; amidst reports of post-arrests blood on the floor, some thought McConnell should have to clean it up, while others argued he already has enough blood on his hands. His travesty of a bill rushed through House and Senate with no public input would hurt almost everyone: It would strip 23 million of health care, raise costs, reduce coverage, roll back vital protections, slash Medicaid, defund Planned Parenthood and likely kill many, all while lining the pockets of insurance companies and the very rich. Says Ezra Klein, "It's not complicated. Just cruel."

No surprise, then, that just 17% of Americans reportedly approve of a massive giveaway to the rich seen as an act of class war, a bell tolling the end of democracy and an objectively bad piece of legislation that makes acceptable the murder of poor/old/sick people, children with cancer or disabilities, those struggling with opioid addiction, and anyone else unlucky enough to fall ill. Even Barack Obama, ever civil, chimed in asking Republicans to remember - did they ever know? - that "public service is not about sport or notching a political win... it’s to make people’s lives better." This hack job, with its "fundamental meanness," obviously doesn't: "Simply put, if there’s a chance you might get sick, get old, or start a family - this bill will do you harm." This, despite the final, Orwellian blow of its name: the Better Care Act. Patton Oswald, reacting to the sight of a handcuffed woman in her wheelchair and all the rest: "The f*ck world are we living in?" A world, says a furious Elizabeth Warren, of "blood money" for the rich, where we have to tell them no.

https://www.commondreams.org/further/2017/06/22/killing-people-tax-cuts-what-fck-world-are-we-living
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#1500349 --- 06/23/17 12:25 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: Teonan]
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Oh stop!

This is garbage lip service from the left.

You don't care about the "disabled", you use them only as a weapon!

If you did care you would have given me, and my wheelchair a ride to Tom Reeds town hall meeting last winter.
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#1500350 --- 06/23/17 12:31 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: Teonan]
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It's a political stunt, that's all. The supposed cuts to Medicaid aren't cuts at all, just a reduction in future increases to the program. D.C. never rolls back something once it's in place but by slowing future growth they might have a chance at getting a handle on the spending.

Unfortunately the low-information voters will never know this so Liberals will use them as usual to pander for votes. I'm hopeful though with the significant Democrat losses incurred over the last 7 years that Americans are wising up.

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#1500353 --- 06/23/17 12:41 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: luckyduck]
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#1500354 --- 06/23/17 12:52 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Oh stop!
If you did care you would have given me, and my wheelchair a ride to Tom Reeds town hall meeting last winter.

Told ya. I don't drive Tommyboy. Trying to lay a guilt trip on me for not callin' you a taxi? Gee wiz.
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#1500355 --- 06/23/17 12:56 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: luckyduck]
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This is what their voters wanted; tax cuts for the rich. crazy
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#1500357 --- 06/23/17 01:22 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

This is what their voters wanted; tax cuts for the rich. crazy


Hate to burst your bubble Teo but I don't think that you can speak for all of their voters any more than I can. As a Republican voter I can say for sure that's not what I wanted or voted on. Tax breaks? Sure, but not tax cuts for the rich.

Besides, I believe that the celebs and one per-centers are mostly a liberal voting block; just ask Cloone, DiCaprio, Streisand, Soros, and all of Obama and Hillary's Wall Street friends. Do you expect that they will refuse a tax cut when it is provided them?

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#1500359 --- 06/23/17 02:38 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: luckyduck]
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#1500362 --- 06/23/17 02:50 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: luckyduck]
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Originally Posted By: luckyduck
As a Republican voter I can say for sure that's not what I wanted or voted on. Tax breaks? Sure, but not tax cuts for the rich.
Wow. The rich is who most Republican tax cut are for, not just this time.

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#1500363 --- 06/23/17 02:52 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: luckyduck]
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Originally Posted By: luckyduck
Besides, I believe that the celebs and one per-centers are mostly a liberal voting block; just ask Cloone, DiCaprio, Streisand, Soros, and all of Obama and Hillary's Wall Street friends. Do you expect that they will refuse a tax cut when it is provided them?
No but why should they offered one in the first place?

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#1500364 --- 06/23/17 02:55 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: luckyduck]
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Originally Posted By: luckyduck
Besides, I believe that the celebs and one per-centers are mostly a liberal voting block;
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katiasavchu...s/#7253e0313e83

Of the 50 richest families, 28 mainly donate to Republicans and only seven contribute mainly to Democrats. Not all families stay on the same side of the political spectrum — 15 support candidates from both parties.

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#1500365 --- 06/23/17 03:11 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: cwjga]
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Real Medicaid reforms

The Senate bill includes and refines the best part of the House bill: its reforms of Medicaid, the dysfunctional government-run health care program for the poor whose enrollees have no better health outcomes than the uninsured.

Because the Senate bill’s tax credits are robustly means-tested and available to those below the poverty line, the bill is able to repeal Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion while offering higher-quality coverage to individuals who signed up for Medicaid under the expansion.

The reason that Medicaid’s health outcomes are so poor is because the outdated 1965 Medicaid law places a laundry list of constraints on states’ ability to manage their Medicaid programs. As a result, the main tool states have to keep Medicaid costs under control is to pay doctors and hospitals less and less each year for the same care. Hence, many doctors don’t take Medicaid, and Medicaid enrollees struggle to gain access to care.

The Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017 addresses these problems in several ways.

First, the bill repeals Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, and replaces it with tax credits so that low-income Americans can buy the coverage of their choice at an affordable price.

Second, the bill gives states a new set of tools to make their Medicaid programs. For example, under Obamacare, states are only allowed to check if someone is eligible for Medicaid once a year, even if that enrollee has moved to a different state, or becomes no longer eligible, or is no longer alive. Jonathan Ingram of the Foundation for Government Accountability, in a recent report, recommended allowing states to redetermine eligibility more frequently and thereby culling their rolls of ineligible individuals.

Third, the bill puts the legacy Medicaid program on a long-term per-capita cap tied to medical inflation through 2025, and conventional inflation (CPI-U) thereafter. This change is important, because Medicaid per-enrollee spending is growing at a slightly slower rate than Medical inflation; hence, making the program sustainable requires the use of CPI-U. The fiscal sustainability of Medicaid is essential to making sure that those who depend on the program can know it will be there for them in the future.

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#1500366 --- 06/23/17 03:19 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Real Medicaid reforms

The Senate bill includes and refines the best part of the House bill: its reforms of Medicaid, the dysfunctional government-run health care program for the poor whose enrollees have no better health outcomes than the uninsured.
And you found this information where? I see no link. If this is such a great bill why was it hidden in secrecy until just a few days before the vote?

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#1500367 --- 06/23/17 03:23 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Here is a link so you know where to find it to read it all

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-car...th-care-n776001

Groups representing pediatricians, cancer specialists, heart doctors and family physicians all agree: Both the House and the Senate offerings for fixing health care in the U.S. would make things worse, not better.

Within hours of its release, groups representing medical professionals were denouncing the Senate version, called the Better Care Reconciliation Act or BCRA.

Medicaid also covers two-thirds of people in nursing homes. The health care bills in the House and Senate would also let companies charge older people more for insurance than they would younger customers.

“We are disappointed that the legislation fails to meet our guiding principles for healthcare reform by halting Medicaid expansion, reinstating annual and lifetime coverage caps, and cutting coverage for essential health benefits including cancer screening,” said Dr. Bruce Johnson, president of the American Society for Clinical Oncology.

“We are concerned that no public hearings were held and no physician or patient expertise was sought during the bill's development,” the American Academy of Family Physicians, American Academy of Pediatrics, American College of Physicians, American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, American Osteopathic Association and American Psychiatric Association said in a joint statement.

“The American Health Care Act, as passed by the U.S. House of Representatives in May, is an inherently flawed bill that would do great harm to our patients. The Senate's Better Care Reconciliation Act would also leave patients drastically worse off than current law," the statement said.

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#1500368 --- 06/23/17 03:27 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Medicaid also covers two-thirds of people in nursing homes.
This includes many many middle income Americans who end up using Medicaid at the end of their life for the first time. I know some personally.

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#1500371 --- 06/23/17 04:25 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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There are many reasons for this health care cost not just Obamacare

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/apos-much-average-american-spends-145249613.html

Indeed, average annual costs per person hit $10,345 in 2016. In 1960, the average cost per person was only $146 — and, adjusting for inflation, that means costs are nine times higher now than they were then.

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#1500372 --- 06/23/17 04:27 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/03/whatever_replaces_obamacare_wi.html

Whatever replaces Obamacare will look a lot like Obamacare: George Will

it is probable that whatever replaces the ACA's tapestry of subsidies, regulations and mandates will be a tapestry of subsidies, regulations and mandates. The differences probably will constitute substantial improvements but will hardly constitute a revolution in the relation of the citizen, or the health care sector, to the government.

Today, this sector is one-sixth of the American economy and larger than all but four national economies. It has been observed that if in 1900 America had had sophisticated national income statistics, the health care sector would have been too negligible to notice: Most Americans then were born and died at home and rudimentary medicine was mostly for making sick persons as comfortable as possible while nature healed or killed them.

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#1500373 --- 06/23/17 05:33 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Oh stop!
If you did care you would have given me, and my wheelchair a ride to Tom Reeds town hall meeting last winter.

Told ya. I don't drive Tommyboy. Trying to lay a guilt trip on me for not callin' you a taxi? Gee wiz.



Typical!
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#1500374 --- 06/23/17 06:39 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: ThomasDecker]
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http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/23/news/companies/store-closings/index.html

Stores are closing at alarming rate. The number so far this year is triple what it was in the same period last year, according to an analysis by Fung Global Retail & Technology, a retail think tank.

There have been 5,300 store closing announcements through June 20, making it the second worst year on record at the six-month mark. The worst year ever for store closings was 2008 during the Great Recession, when Credit Suisse counted 6,163 closings. But 2017 is poised to easily surpass that.

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#1500375 --- 06/23/17 06:41 PM Re: "fundamental meanness" [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dean-heller-...alth-care-bill/

Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada became the fifth Senate Republican on Friday to announce opposition to the Senate Republican health care plan to repeal and replace Obamacare, putting the legislation's passage in jeopardy ahead of a vote next week.

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