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#1500160 --- 06/18/17 01:26 PM New Trash Rules in Geneva
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From the Sunday FLT:

Feher Rubbish Removal manager explains
what City changes mean to some haulers
To the Editor:
At the City’s May 3 Council meeting the
Amendment to Chapter 300 of the Geneva
Municipal Code-Solid Waste Haulers was adopted.
Chapter 300 had remained unchanged in the City
for over 20 years, but city officials decided that it
was time for certain aspects to change to create a
more environmentally friendly plan and have the
City not appear that every day is trash day. The
original draft of changes was developed over a year
and a half by the Geneva Green Committee and
was championed by Councilor Ken Camera.
The City also recently passed a measure to have
a penalty for anyone leaving a trash or recycling
receptacle out at the curb for over 24
hours. Feher Rubbish is in no way
responsible for this measure and will
not pay any penalty for any customer
for any reason.
Feher Rubbish Removal Inc. is
forced to increase current subscription
rates monthly in order to defray
the costs that we will incur because
of these recent changes. These
changes were not wanted by any of
the haulers that service Geneva, and
several members of the council did
not want the changes. All local
haulers met with Ken Camera and
City Manager Matt Horn and discussed
the amendment’s impact on
the local community but many of the
points that the haulers brought up
fell on deaf ears. Mayor Ron Alcock
was not in favor of any changes and
stated that he did not feel that
changes were necessary.
These are the amendments to
Chapter 300:
• The cost of a haulers license,
renewed yearly, went from $200 to
$1,000 per year. The number of
haulers allowed to service Geneva
was set at four.
• Each Hauler will be limited to
servicing their customers one day per
week (residential). The Council also
set the days available to service our
residential customers at Monday
through Thursday and Jan. 1, 2019
this will change to Tuesday through
Friday. The collection times were
increased; residential collection times
are 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. and commercial
times are 5 a.m. to 8 p.m. The times
were increased due to the haulers
being limited to picking up residential
trash only one day per week. This
restriction is not valid for any
haulers that participate in “pay as
you throw” programs, which only one
local hauler does and it is more
expensive than regular monthly service.
• Council decided to uphold one
section of Chapter 300 that was not
strictly followed in the past. All trash
created in Geneva must be disposed
of in the Ontario County Landfill.
This landfill is owned by Casella
Waste and is about 30 percent more
expensive than Seneca Meadows.
• Council also feels that the local
community cannot figure out the difference
between trash and recycling
containers. Therefore, they will spend
money to create thousands of stickers
that must be affixed to your recycling
container that read Recycling Only.
They also will require all haulers to
supply a minimum of one 32-gallon
container, twice the size of the current
recycling bins, that is clearly
marked Recycling Only. These must
be changed out by Dec. 31, 2018.
These toters will cost approximately
$100,000.
• Effective July 3 Feher Rubbish
Removal is changing its recycling
routes to every other week pickup.
We tried to keep this option viable
but the extra cost would have to be
passed on to the customer and we are
trying to keep costs as low as possible
for our customers.
Feher Rubbish will incur costs on
all the above-mentioned amendments
and therefore the customers price
must go up as well. Feher Rubbish
Removal’s prices are still lower or
comparable to any hauler in Geneva
and we appreciate your continued
business.
If you have any questions feel free
to contact our Geneva Office at (315)
781-9850
or Councilman Ken Camera at (315)
781-2246.
SAM CATANESE
Manager, Feher Rubbish


Where to begin - I signed up for Fehrer because they picked up recycling every week, which meant the custom cabinet in my kitchen for the recycling bin was never too full to put out. Now the new bins will be too large for this spot, and I have to find somewhere else to put my bin, assuming I continue to recycle. Then there's the added costs that Mr. Camera's ideas bring, with no way to measure the potential return. Maybe the next step is an ordinance giving us a color chart of accepted paints for our homes?

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#1500215 --- 06/19/17 12:47 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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Great another added expense for the taxpayers of Geneva. I feel sorry for the senior citizens on fixed income that have to continually eat these costs, as well as the people who work and have a limited budget. Although I hate fighting with the trucks all week long I think this was a bad move.

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#1500219 --- 06/19/17 02:30 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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Will a senior committed to recycling even be able to LIFT a 32 gallon bin full of 2 weeks' worth of recycling?

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#1500251 --- 06/20/17 06:41 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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OK - would someone explain to me WHY (other than some suspicions that pockets may be lined) "all trash created in Geneva must be disposed of in the Ontario County Landfill"? Firstly - it is not a County-owned facility, but rather owned by Casella Waste - a HUGE company that now covers 34 states. We switched from Casella to Feher quite a few years back because Casella kept upping their fees. When we switched in 2009 and then called Casella to "cancel" they were NOT happy - in fact, insinuated that "just wait and see - Feher will not keep their promise". But they did keep their promise/contract. Since 2009 they have not raised their rates a cent until....Ken Camera amended Chapter 300. Then came a very apologetic letter about the need to raise rates. As a senior citizen on a fixed income - that addition fee HURTS our limited budget. Then again - what does the City care? If it gets to the point where we can't afford to pay our property taxes...the City will just grab our house and sell it at auction. It's a WIN-WIN for them either way.

I still would like to know what "connection" Casella has to City Council members. Why do they care so much that Feher ONLY delivers to a more expensive Casella facility instead of the less expensive Seneca Meadows (that is NOT Casella owned)

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#1500253 --- 06/20/17 08:35 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Let's be frank]
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Without doing any research, I suspect one reason may be because the City is against the expansion of Seneca Meadows, at least city democrats.

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#1500254 --- 06/20/17 09:38 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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What does Geneva City have to do with expansion of Seneca Meadows?

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#1500255 --- 06/20/17 10:17 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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The best part no one is talking about is, no one will be able to start a business in Geneva. only 4 companies are allowed and out of the 4 cassella owns Appleton, cassella and a stake in another.
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#1500280 --- 06/20/17 09:45 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: FLvino]
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Originally Posted By: FLvino
The best part no one is talking about is, no one will be able to start a business in Geneva. only 4 companies are allowed and out of the 4 cassella owns Appleton, cassella and a stake in another.
Casella bought out Appleton years ago They are the same company which only means one. They do not own interest in any other company that operates in Geneva.

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#1500370 --- 06/23/17 04:19 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Let's be frank]
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Originally Posted By: Let's be frank
What does Geneva City have to do with expansion of Seneca Meadows?
Just the fact than some City and TOWN Democrats use the landfill issue to get elected. When people wake up and realize certain elected officials have used landfill scare tactics to get elected, they will be furious.
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#1500430 --- 06/26/17 07:04 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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There has been some talk for quite some time of going to only ONE trash collector for the entire city of Geneva. If the city gets its way, we won't have a choice of which company collects our garbage. Also, meaning that we will have to probably pay more.

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#1500461 --- 06/26/17 02:52 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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That's probably the plan - then all the Toters will be the same color, and every Ward will have its own pickup day, and the City will have a new revenue stream.

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#1500500 --- 06/27/17 06:22 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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Ontario County does own the landfill, Casella runs it but pays the County for the privilege.

Several years ago the Council did discuss the possibility of having a City wide trash pickup. The City was going to put out a request for bids and the low bidder would get to pick up all the trash in the City and there would have been substantial savings for business and individuals. There was an assumption that Casella would get the contract, the other trash haulers told the Council that this would effectively put them put of business, so the plan was scrapped.

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#1500519 --- 06/27/17 12:41 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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You can thank Camera for all of this!! It was his idea to not only screw over the taxpayers but to make it hard on the haulers as well. Everything I read here is great but we need to go to council and voice our opinions there

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#1500650 --- 06/29/17 08:14 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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So in an effort to keep the city from looking like a trash heap (aka Seneca Falls, lol) the majority of City Council voted to create some new rules, and/or uphold some rules already on the books, and now a major trash hauler is raising rates and sending out a snitty letter trying to point the blame at one city councilman?

Did I read that right?

I don't think that the city is wrong for wanting garbage cans to be left outside for less than 24 hours, or for demanding the same recycling system employed by cities for a long time, now. And I don't blame the garbage companies for fighting anything that will cost them more. But to try to make political hay out of it... I think they underestimate the intelligence of the average City of Geneva voter. One of the biggest complaints people have about the city is how trashy it is... nobody is looking to the folks who'd take trash from wherever/whenever for leadership on this issue.

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#1500655 --- 06/29/17 09:13 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Kells]
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Originally Posted By: Kells
So in an effort to keep the city from looking like a trash heap (aka Seneca Falls, lol) the majority of City Council voted to create some new rules, and/or uphold some rules already on the books, and now a major trash hauler is raising rates and sending out a snitty letter trying to point the blame at one city councilman?

Did I read that right?

I don't think that the city is wrong for wanting garbage cans to be left outside for less than 24 hours, or for demanding the same recycling system employed by cities for a long time, now. And I don't blame the garbage companies for fighting anything that will cost them more. But to try to make political hay out of it... I think they underestimate the intelligence of the average City of Geneva voter. One of the biggest complaints people have about the city is how trashy it is... nobody is looking to the folks who'd take trash from wherever/whenever for leadership on this issue.
The city looks trashy because of the slumlords & section 8 housing!

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#1500674 --- 06/29/17 10:56 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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With recycling bins that are twice the size of the previously puny ones, switching to every other week pickup makes logical sense. I'm thinking of all of the carbon emissions, fuel costs, and wear and tear on city streets that will be saved as a result of this decision. Maybe Ken Camera should be named CEO of a garbage company?

Marking recycling bins as "recycling only" makes perfect sense, as well. Why do the trash haulers not already do this? This one should be obvious. If you have any doubt that people have difficulty discerning trash from recycling, you need only look through their trash, and at their recycling.

And I'm all for not using Seneca Meadows. They have so much trash coming in from NYC that they wanted a train to bring it all. Do they even have room for Geneva's trash? I feel for the poor people of Seneca Falls who must live with the stink of dispair, as the odor of stinky diapers and rotten food fills their homes and casinos. Do we really want to contribute to that? I don't think so.

These decisions are sounding better and better each time I read this letter...

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#1500716 --- 06/30/17 03:00 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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Nobody's collecting data before or after this change, but it seems possible that making recycling less convenient may result in reduced participation. I switched from Cassella to Fehrer because they did weekly recycling pickup.

The idea that adding a label to the recycling bin was necessary is truly stupid; apparently the next step will be stickers on the Toters that read "NO RECYCLING"? Again, no one will collect (or trust) data from this change, but it gives some the feeling they accomplished something.

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#1500721 --- 06/30/17 03:43 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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So would you rather have big, heavy, stinky recycling trucks rumbling down our streets every week to pick up half-size containers, or every other week to pick up full-size containers?

I vote for the latter.

PS: They're stinky because too many people toss their trash into the recycling bins. But not anymore! Now they'll have reminder stickers. That stink is starting to smell like... progress.

Originally Posted By: Tacitus
Nobody's collecting data before or after this change, but it seems possible that making recycling less convenient may result in reduced participation. I switched from Cassella to Fehrer because they did weekly recycling pickup.

The idea that adding a label to the recycling bin was necessary is truly stupid; apparently the next step will be stickers on the Toters that read "NO RECYCLING"? Again, no one will collect (or trust) data from this change, but it gives some the feeling they accomplished something.

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#1501075 --- 07/08/17 11:50 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Kells]
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I switched to Lyons Road Trash removal for my once a month trash pickup. They collect recycling every week. I have far more recycling than trash and the cost is only about $15 a month. Once I buy my own tote, that price will be reduced further since I am renting one from them for my first month. I thank the owner of Feher for his letter informing me that there is a pay as you throw trash service here.
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#1501078 --- 07/08/17 03:13 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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I may switch to LRT for the same reasons - they sure do keep this feature a secret!

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#1501083 --- 07/08/17 08:40 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: twocats]
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Recycling is in trouble — and it might be your fault


Paul Singer | USA TODAY
Updated 2:34 p.m. ET April 28, 2017

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...blem/100654976/


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#1501134 --- 07/09/17 09:50 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Recycling is in trouble — and it might be your fault


Paul Singer | USA TODAY
Updated 2:34 p.m. ET April 28, 2017

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...blem/100654976/
No money to be made in recycling!

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#1501141 --- 07/09/17 10:11 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Recycling is in trouble — and it might be your fault


Paul Singer | USA TODAY
Updated 2:34 p.m. ET April 28, 2017

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...blem/100654976/
No money to be made in recycling!

Don't tell that to THEM:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/world...-recyclers.html
https://www.lightingresourcesinc.com/abo...nue-and-profits
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/201...in-city-revenue
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/07/recycling-myths-blue-bins/
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#1501142 --- 07/09/17 10:16 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Timbo]
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[quote=Timbo][quote=gassy one][quote=scwoodchuck]Recycling is in trouble — and it might be your fault


Paul Singer | USA TODAY
Updated 2:34 p.m. ET April 28, 2017

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https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/world...-recyclers.html
https://www.lightingresourcesinc.com/abo...nue-and-profits
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/201...in-city-revenue
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/07/recycling-myths-blue-bins/ [/quote I don't care about your crap BIMBO! If there was money to be made it wouldn't be going into landfills.With natural gas prices so low it is cheaper to use virgin plastic instead of recyclable plastic!


lummeting worldwide prices for recycled aluminum, glass, paper and plastics have some Central Florida cities down in the dumps about recycling.

Orange County, which had never charged to process municipal recyclables, informed cities they would have to pay a $42-per-ton fee as of July 1.

If that service price had been in effect during the past 12 months, Orange County’s cities would have been forced to fork over about $670,000 to recycle plastic water bottles, soda cans, cardboard boxes and old newspapers their haulers brought to the county-owned Recycling Materials Processing Facility near the landfill.

Cities leaders are balking about the fee.
Tumbling prices for recyclables - like these bales of aluminum cans at Orange County's material proc
Tumbling prices for recyclables - like these bales of aluminum cans at Orange County's material processing center in east Orange - are making recycling less profitable. (George Skene / Orlando Sentinel)

“All we’ve heard up until recently is recycle, recycle, recycle because it was good for the environment, it was good for the future of our society,” said Joe Kilsheimer, mayor of Apopka, Orange County’s second-largest city after Orlando.

Apopka would have paid about $63,000 if the new fee had been in effect last year.

The fee would have cost Orlando about $364,000 last year, city spokeswoman Cassandra Lafser said.

But Orlando leaders believe they can absorb the new cost.

“Over the last few years, we’ve implemented a lot of collection efficiency and cost-saving measures,” Lafser said, citing the city’s use of natural gas-powered trucks, which has helped the city save money on fuel.
More people are recycling, but there's less demand for recyclable materials like these bales of plas
More people are recycling, but there's less demand for recyclable materials like these bales of plastic containers at a materials processing center in Orange County. (George Skene / Orlando Sentinel)

Seminole and Lake counties are watching the recycling issue in Orange closely, though both are locked into longer-term pacts with haulers required to shoulder cost increases for hauling and processing materials.

“Recycling is not the panacea we thought it was five or so years ago, though it’s still a good thing,” said Jim Stivender, Lake County Public Works director.

For most cities in Orange, it would be cheaper to pitch those aluminum beer cans, cardboard boxes and plastic water bottles into the garbage rather than a recycling bin.

The county charges $33.60 a ton to bury municipal waste at the landfill on Young Pine Road.
Recycling is not the panacea we thought it was five or so years ago, though it's still a good thing. — Jim Stivender, director, Lake County Public Works

“We’re looking at other options, private companies and such,” said Winter Garden City Manager Mike Bollhoefer.

Recycling participation grew in the west Orange city from 1,694 tons in 2014 to 2,093 tons in 2016, a 23 percent increase.

Apopka also will discuss its options during its upcoming budget workshops, Kilsheimer said.

Winter Park plans to review how it disposes of 2,000 tons of recyclable materials it collects annually. With the new fee, a similar haul will cost about $90,000 next year, spokesman Craig O’Neil said.

“This is the [economic] reality of recycling now — and not just here, but all across the country,” said Jim Becker, manager of Orange County’s solid waste division. “Commodity values are in decline and they’re at the lowest level they’ve been in many years. Unless they bounce back, we’re going to be paying to recycle.”

Becker said contractors who sort recyclables and sell the bundled commodities are charging for those services now because they can’t depend on selling recyclables to cover operating costs.
Orange County ranks among the top recycling counties in Florida, according to 2016 statistics compil
Orange County ranks among the top recycling counties in Florida, according to 2016 statistics compiled by the Florida Department of Environmental Protection. (George Skene / Orlando Sentinel)

Waste haulers collected 10,249 tons of recyclable material from customers in unincorporated Orange County during the 12 months that ended June 30. Becker said he did not envision an increase in solid waste fees for residential customers in unincorporated Orange.

He said he understood if cities looked for another place to take their recyclables, noting they are not obligated to bring materials to the county’s recycling center.

“If you can find a better deal, more power to you,” he said of cities.
Heavy equipment packs down garbage at the Orange County Landfill.
Heavy equipment packs down garbage at the Orange County Landfill. (George Skene / Orlando Sentinel)

A state law, adopted in 2008, set a goal of having 75 percent of the state’s waste stream recycled by the year 2020.

Statistics posted Friday by the Florida Department of Environmental Protection showed that Orange County recycled 72 percent of its waste in 2016, up from 52 percent in 2015. The state’s recycling rate in 2016 was 56 percent.

Becker said demand for recyclable material has dropped, particularly in China, which had long been a big consumer of the stuff Americans threw out. China tightened its standards a few years ago and now demands “cleaner” recyclable materials.

Despite the financial concerns, local governments ought to stay committed to recycling, said Jason Hale, a spokesman for the Recycling Partnership, a non-profit advocacy group.

“The simple act of responsibly handling bottles, cans, containers and paper directly addresses climate change, delivering measurable reductions in greenhouse gases and water use,” he said. “Moreover, recycling creates substantially more jobs than disposal. Lastly — and arguably most importantly — residents want the ability to conveniently recycle, and strong local recycling programs help communities thrive.”

Stephen Hudak can be reached at 407-650-6361, shudak@orlandosentinel.com or on Twitter @Bearlando.
Copyright © 2017, Orlando Sentinel

Orange County



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#1501143 --- 07/09/17 10:27 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: gassy one]
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Doesn't take much to prove you wrong Bimbo!

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#1501146 --- 07/09/17 10:32 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: gassy one]
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Meaningless nonsense seeing as how you never even read the links.

Tells an entirely different story than the fairy tale you're spouting.
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#1501149 --- 07/09/17 10:36 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Doesn't take much to prove you wrong Bimbo!

You haven't proven anything other than, your ability to post coherently falls straight off a cliff when you're drunk. grin
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#1501151 --- 07/09/17 10:40 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Meaningless nonsense seeing as how you never even read the links.

Tells an entirely different story than the fairy tale you're spouting.
whistle
My point Bimbo is unlike your stupid assertions there is no money to be made in recycling!Anybody with half a brain can understand that!

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#1501154 --- 07/09/17 10:45 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: gassy one]
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#1501177 --- 07/10/17 09:29 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Meaningless nonsense seeing as how you never even read the links.

Tells an entirely different story than the fairy tale you're spouting.
whistle

My point Bimbo is unlike your stupid assertions there is no money to be made in recycling! Anybody with half a brain can understand that!

I fully understand your "point", however, anybody with "half a brain" wouldn't take such a patently absurd position if they'd actually taken the time to read and understand the content of the articles that I provided links to.

Talk about your stupid assertions.
whistle
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#1501184 --- 07/10/17 11:01 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Timbo

Meaningless nonsense seeing as how you never even read the links.

Tells an entirely different story than the fairy tale you're spouting.
whistle

My point Bimbo is unlike your stupid assertions there is no money to be made in recycling! Anybody with half a brain can understand that!

I fully understand your "point", however, anybody with "half a brain" wouldn't take such a patently absurd position if they'd actually taken the time to read and understand the content of the articles that I provided links to.

Talk about your stupid assertions.
whistle
I don't read your stupid posts I deal with reality in the everyday world! You need to get out of Ithaca and find out what is going on in the real world!

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#1502859 --- 08/06/17 06:48 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: gassy one]
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Gassy, you should really read his links because if you read them carefully they usually prove him wrong.
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#1502915 --- 08/07/17 12:56 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Gassy, you should really read his links because if you read them carefully they usually prove him wrong.

You're always welcome to try: cool

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/world...-recyclers.html
https://www.lightingresourcesinc.com/abo...nue-and-profits
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/201...in-city-revenue
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/07/recycling-myths-blue-bins/ [/quote]
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#1502923 --- 08/07/17 01:23 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Timbo]
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Hardly credible sources.
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#1502940 --- 08/07/17 07:22 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Hardly credible sources.

The citations contained within aren't credible??? You're certifiably demented.

Unable to refute the facts, so you attempt to discredit the sources (while simultaneously failing to understand the obvious difference between a source and a citation).

Brilliant.
crazy
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#1502941 --- 08/07/17 07:24 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
I don't read your stupid posts...

Well, that would certainly explain your bald-faced ignorance on this and so many other topics.
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#1502945 --- 08/07/17 07:53 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Hardly credible sources.

The citations contained within aren't credible??? You're certifiably demented.

Unable to refute the facts, so you attempt to discredit the sources (while simultaneously failing to understand the obvious difference between a source and a citation).

Brilliant.
crazy
and you do the same thing all the time :-P
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#1502950 --- 08/07/17 08:07 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
and you do the same thing all the time :-P

And yet, you won't provide a single legitimate example, will you? whistle
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#1502966 --- 08/07/17 09:43 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
and you do the same thing all the time :-P

And yet, you won't provide a single legitimate example, will you? whistle
Everybody doesn't have time to cut & paste BIMBO like you & your sister Kyle!

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#1503004 --- 08/08/17 02:35 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Everybody doesn't have time to cut & paste

But you clearly have more than enough have time to post one unfounded [false] allegation after another. whistle
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#1504342 --- 08/31/17 10:03 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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May I state that I have NEVER seen so much Recycle Trash in Geneva in my life - the reason??? Most folks (including us) can't remember which week is the RECYCLE week or not. Consequently - there are overloaded recycle bins all OVER Geneva - and please don't tell me that the CITY will now FINE us because we can't remember which week recycle falls on!!!

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#1504345 --- 09/01/17 04:35 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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Since they never measured recycling compliance before this change, and they aren't measuring it now, they can remain blissfully ignorant of the effects. After all, increasing compliance was less important than neat, straight rows of trash bins.

Don't be so sure about the fines - it will be greeted as a new source of fee income to fund the next lunatic project

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#1504348 --- 09/01/17 10:06 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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Matt Horn would love to collect more fines on people so he can spend money on wacky projects while he "balances" the budget. Maybe they can build that silly sign across Exchange Street with recycle bottles.

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#1504559 --- 09/08/17 12:15 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Let's be frank]
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Originally Posted By: Let's be frank
May I state that I have NEVER seen so much Recycle Trash in Geneva in my life - the reason??? Most folks (including us) can't remember which week is the RECYCLE week or not. Consequently - there are overloaded recycle bins all OVER Geneva - and please don't tell me that the CITY will now FINE us because we can't remember which week recycle falls on!!!
OK, let's be frank, let's be frank ! Do you realize that a lot of that stuff you see in recycling bins actually ends up in the landfill ? You should look into it , you'll be surprised.
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#1504785 --- 09/15/17 07:14 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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As a senior citizen I have a physical problem with the new rules. I do not have room for an additional larger tote in my garage. Right now, I use my own container marked as "recycle" which has wheels. I requested a smaller tote (on wheels) for my garbage since the larger one took up too much room and was hard for me to handle. With these new rules I will be forced to put my recycling tote in the back yard which makes it impossible for me to put out since I would have to drag/roll it through grass, rain, snow to put it out. We have to keep our totes out of sight per city rules and that means inside my garage. With this new rule I would just stop recycling since there is enough room in my smaller tote to put both garbage and recycling items. It seems that this negates using special recycling totes. Cassella provides 2 totes now - one for garbage and one for recycling. I DON'T use Cassella because of the size of their totes and the cost. My supplier provides a smaller pick up container for recycling. I don't use it since it is too hard for me to handle, hence my own solution which works well for me.

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#1504790 --- 09/15/17 08:05 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: tag2]
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Originally Posted By: tag2
As a senior citizen I have a physical problem with the new rules.


it appears that councilor camera did not put much thought that some people may have limitations on the larger totes

people should have a choice between a small or large tote
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#1504854 --- 09/18/17 11:17 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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Trash bill came today - "thank you so much" City of Geneva for interfering between the rights of your residents (to choose the rubbish carrier they want at the price they want) and your demands WHERE these private companies dispose of their trash. Once again - our bill is $20 higher (that's $80 a year) - thanks to your interference. Mind your own business! Are you next planning to tell us what Cable company we can/can't use??

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#1504858 --- 09/18/17 03:04 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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They already tell you what cable company you can use, Frank. And tax you on it at the same time. Maybe the income can fund a recycling inspector to give you a ticket if you put a pizza carton in the wrong place.

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#1504932 --- 09/20/17 09:02 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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Call me dumb, but my wife and I still don't understand how the CITY can legally regulate where our trash company dumps its trash. We have lived in towns where the property taxes INCLUDED trash & recycle (as we all know, Geneva is not such a place) - in that case, we could see how the City had the right to "input" about trash/recycle. Geneva has NO RIGHT to dictate where our trash company dumps its trash. I resent paying $20 more per quarter to our company and getting recycle once every 2 weeks instead of every week. Isn't anyone else upset by this or are we all just sheep awaiting the slaughter??

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#1504934 --- 09/21/17 06:06 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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I would assume it's part of the City's power to issue a "franchise to operate". If you want a franchise, you pay a (now much higher) fee and agree to certain terms of operation. Given the issues at SMI this may have (accidentally) been a good idea.

Yes, many of us are upset, and the FLT article yesterday indicates that the City may be willing to take another look at this process. For example, if the goal is increased recycling, why every 2 weeks in enormous bins? My suggestion would be have the City issue a press release that describes the new rules and the reasoning behind them.

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