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#1500160 --- 06/18/17 01:26 PM New Trash Rules in Geneva
Tacitus Offline
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From the Sunday FLT:

Feher Rubbish Removal manager explains
what City changes mean to some haulers
To the Editor:
At the City’s May 3 Council meeting the
Amendment to Chapter 300 of the Geneva
Municipal Code-Solid Waste Haulers was adopted.
Chapter 300 had remained unchanged in the City
for over 20 years, but city officials decided that it
was time for certain aspects to change to create a
more environmentally friendly plan and have the
City not appear that every day is trash day. The
original draft of changes was developed over a year
and a half by the Geneva Green Committee and
was championed by Councilor Ken Camera.
The City also recently passed a measure to have
a penalty for anyone leaving a trash or recycling
receptacle out at the curb for over 24
hours. Feher Rubbish is in no way
responsible for this measure and will
not pay any penalty for any customer
for any reason.
Feher Rubbish Removal Inc. is
forced to increase current subscription
rates monthly in order to defray
the costs that we will incur because
of these recent changes. These
changes were not wanted by any of
the haulers that service Geneva, and
several members of the council did
not want the changes. All local
haulers met with Ken Camera and
City Manager Matt Horn and discussed
the amendment’s impact on
the local community but many of the
points that the haulers brought up
fell on deaf ears. Mayor Ron Alcock
was not in favor of any changes and
stated that he did not feel that
changes were necessary.
These are the amendments to
Chapter 300:
• The cost of a haulers license,
renewed yearly, went from $200 to
$1,000 per year. The number of
haulers allowed to service Geneva
was set at four.
• Each Hauler will be limited to
servicing their customers one day per
week (residential). The Council also
set the days available to service our
residential customers at Monday
through Thursday and Jan. 1, 2019
this will change to Tuesday through
Friday. The collection times were
increased; residential collection times
are 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. and commercial
times are 5 a.m. to 8 p.m. The times
were increased due to the haulers
being limited to picking up residential
trash only one day per week. This
restriction is not valid for any
haulers that participate in “pay as
you throw” programs, which only one
local hauler does and it is more
expensive than regular monthly service.
• Council decided to uphold one
section of Chapter 300 that was not
strictly followed in the past. All trash
created in Geneva must be disposed
of in the Ontario County Landfill.
This landfill is owned by Casella
Waste and is about 30 percent more
expensive than Seneca Meadows.
• Council also feels that the local
community cannot figure out the difference
between trash and recycling
containers. Therefore, they will spend
money to create thousands of stickers
that must be affixed to your recycling
container that read Recycling Only.
They also will require all haulers to
supply a minimum of one 32-gallon
container, twice the size of the current
recycling bins, that is clearly
marked Recycling Only. These must
be changed out by Dec. 31, 2018.
These toters will cost approximately
$100,000.
• Effective July 3 Feher Rubbish
Removal is changing its recycling
routes to every other week pickup.
We tried to keep this option viable
but the extra cost would have to be
passed on to the customer and we are
trying to keep costs as low as possible
for our customers.
Feher Rubbish will incur costs on
all the above-mentioned amendments
and therefore the customers price
must go up as well. Feher Rubbish
Removal’s prices are still lower or
comparable to any hauler in Geneva
and we appreciate your continued
business.
If you have any questions feel free
to contact our Geneva Office at (315)
781-9850
or Councilman Ken Camera at (315)
781-2246.
SAM CATANESE
Manager, Feher Rubbish


Where to begin - I signed up for Fehrer because they picked up recycling every week, which meant the custom cabinet in my kitchen for the recycling bin was never too full to put out. Now the new bins will be too large for this spot, and I have to find somewhere else to put my bin, assuming I continue to recycle. Then there's the added costs that Mr. Camera's ideas bring, with no way to measure the potential return. Maybe the next step is an ordinance giving us a color chart of accepted paints for our homes?

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#1500215 --- 06/19/17 12:47 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
4sizzle Offline
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Great another added expense for the taxpayers of Geneva. I feel sorry for the senior citizens on fixed income that have to continually eat these costs, as well as the people who work and have a limited budget. Although I hate fighting with the trucks all week long I think this was a bad move.

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#1500219 --- 06/19/17 02:30 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
Tacitus Offline
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Will a senior committed to recycling even be able to LIFT a 32 gallon bin full of 2 weeks' worth of recycling?

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#1500251 --- 06/20/17 06:41 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
Let's be frank Offline
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OK - would someone explain to me WHY (other than some suspicions that pockets may be lined) "all trash created in Geneva must be disposed of in the Ontario County Landfill"? Firstly - it is not a County-owned facility, but rather owned by Casella Waste - a HUGE company that now covers 34 states. We switched from Casella to Feher quite a few years back because Casella kept upping their fees. When we switched in 2009 and then called Casella to "cancel" they were NOT happy - in fact, insinuated that "just wait and see - Feher will not keep their promise". But they did keep their promise/contract. Since 2009 they have not raised their rates a cent until....Ken Camera amended Chapter 300. Then came a very apologetic letter about the need to raise rates. As a senior citizen on a fixed income - that addition fee HURTS our limited budget. Then again - what does the City care? If it gets to the point where we can't afford to pay our property taxes...the City will just grab our house and sell it at auction. It's a WIN-WIN for them either way.

I still would like to know what "connection" Casella has to City Council members. Why do they care so much that Feher ONLY delivers to a more expensive Casella facility instead of the less expensive Seneca Meadows (that is NOT Casella owned)

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#1500253 --- 06/20/17 08:35 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Let's be frank]
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Without doing any research, I suspect one reason may be because the City is against the expansion of Seneca Meadows, at least city democrats.

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#1500254 --- 06/20/17 09:38 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
Let's be frank Offline
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What does Geneva City have to do with expansion of Seneca Meadows?

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#1500255 --- 06/20/17 10:17 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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The best part no one is talking about is, no one will be able to start a business in Geneva. only 4 companies are allowed and out of the 4 cassella owns Appleton, cassella and a stake in another.
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#1500280 --- 06/20/17 09:45 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: FLvino]
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Originally Posted By: FLvino
The best part no one is talking about is, no one will be able to start a business in Geneva. only 4 companies are allowed and out of the 4 cassella owns Appleton, cassella and a stake in another.
Casella bought out Appleton years ago They are the same company which only means one. They do not own interest in any other company that operates in Geneva.

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#1500370 --- 06/23/17 04:19 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Let's be frank]
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Originally Posted By: Let's be frank
What does Geneva City have to do with expansion of Seneca Meadows?
Just the fact than some City and TOWN Democrats use the landfill issue to get elected. When people wake up and realize certain elected officials have used landfill scare tactics to get elected, they will be furious.
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#1500430 --- 06/26/17 07:04 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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There has been some talk for quite some time of going to only ONE trash collector for the entire city of Geneva. If the city gets its way, we won't have a choice of which company collects our garbage. Also, meaning that we will have to probably pay more.

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#1500461 --- 06/26/17 02:52 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
Tacitus Offline
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That's probably the plan - then all the Toters will be the same color, and every Ward will have its own pickup day, and the City will have a new revenue stream.

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#1500500 --- 06/27/17 06:22 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
Jeff Peters Offline
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Ontario County does own the landfill, Casella runs it but pays the County for the privilege.

Several years ago the Council did discuss the possibility of having a City wide trash pickup. The City was going to put out a request for bids and the low bidder would get to pick up all the trash in the City and there would have been substantial savings for business and individuals. There was an assumption that Casella would get the contract, the other trash haulers told the Council that this would effectively put them put of business, so the plan was scrapped.

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#1500519 --- 06/27/17 12:41 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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You can thank Camera for all of this!! It was his idea to not only screw over the taxpayers but to make it hard on the haulers as well. Everything I read here is great but we need to go to council and voice our opinions there

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#1500650 --- 06/29/17 08:14 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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So in an effort to keep the city from looking like a trash heap (aka Seneca Falls, lol) the majority of City Council voted to create some new rules, and/or uphold some rules already on the books, and now a major trash hauler is raising rates and sending out a snitty letter trying to point the blame at one city councilman?

Did I read that right?

I don't think that the city is wrong for wanting garbage cans to be left outside for less than 24 hours, or for demanding the same recycling system employed by cities for a long time, now. And I don't blame the garbage companies for fighting anything that will cost them more. But to try to make political hay out of it... I think they underestimate the intelligence of the average City of Geneva voter. One of the biggest complaints people have about the city is how trashy it is... nobody is looking to the folks who'd take trash from wherever/whenever for leadership on this issue.

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#1500655 --- 06/29/17 09:13 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Kells]
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Originally Posted By: Kells
So in an effort to keep the city from looking like a trash heap (aka Seneca Falls, lol) the majority of City Council voted to create some new rules, and/or uphold some rules already on the books, and now a major trash hauler is raising rates and sending out a snitty letter trying to point the blame at one city councilman?

Did I read that right?

I don't think that the city is wrong for wanting garbage cans to be left outside for less than 24 hours, or for demanding the same recycling system employed by cities for a long time, now. And I don't blame the garbage companies for fighting anything that will cost them more. But to try to make political hay out of it... I think they underestimate the intelligence of the average City of Geneva voter. One of the biggest complaints people have about the city is how trashy it is... nobody is looking to the folks who'd take trash from wherever/whenever for leadership on this issue.
The city looks trashy because of the slumlords & section 8 housing!

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#1500674 --- 06/29/17 10:56 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
Kells Offline
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With recycling bins that are twice the size of the previously puny ones, switching to every other week pickup makes logical sense. I'm thinking of all of the carbon emissions, fuel costs, and wear and tear on city streets that will be saved as a result of this decision. Maybe Ken Camera should be named CEO of a garbage company?

Marking recycling bins as "recycling only" makes perfect sense, as well. Why do the trash haulers not already do this? This one should be obvious. If you have any doubt that people have difficulty discerning trash from recycling, you need only look through their trash, and at their recycling.

And I'm all for not using Seneca Meadows. They have so much trash coming in from NYC that they wanted a train to bring it all. Do they even have room for Geneva's trash? I feel for the poor people of Seneca Falls who must live with the stink of dispair, as the odor of stinky diapers and rotten food fills their homes and casinos. Do we really want to contribute to that? I don't think so.

These decisions are sounding better and better each time I read this letter...

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#1500716 --- 06/30/17 03:00 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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Nobody's collecting data before or after this change, but it seems possible that making recycling less convenient may result in reduced participation. I switched from Cassella to Fehrer because they did weekly recycling pickup.

The idea that adding a label to the recycling bin was necessary is truly stupid; apparently the next step will be stickers on the Toters that read "NO RECYCLING"? Again, no one will collect (or trust) data from this change, but it gives some the feeling they accomplished something.

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#1500721 --- 06/30/17 03:43 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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So would you rather have big, heavy, stinky recycling trucks rumbling down our streets every week to pick up half-size containers, or every other week to pick up full-size containers?

I vote for the latter.

PS: They're stinky because too many people toss their trash into the recycling bins. But not anymore! Now they'll have reminder stickers. That stink is starting to smell like... progress.

Originally Posted By: Tacitus
Nobody's collecting data before or after this change, but it seems possible that making recycling less convenient may result in reduced participation. I switched from Cassella to Fehrer because they did weekly recycling pickup.

The idea that adding a label to the recycling bin was necessary is truly stupid; apparently the next step will be stickers on the Toters that read "NO RECYCLING"? Again, no one will collect (or trust) data from this change, but it gives some the feeling they accomplished something.

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#1501075 --- 07/08/17 11:50 AM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Kells]
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I switched to Lyons Road Trash removal for my once a month trash pickup. They collect recycling every week. I have far more recycling than trash and the cost is only about $15 a month. Once I buy my own tote, that price will be reduced further since I am renting one from them for my first month. I thank the owner of Feher for his letter informing me that there is a pay as you throw trash service here.
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#1501078 --- 07/08/17 03:13 PM Re: New Trash Rules in Geneva [Re: Tacitus]
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I may switch to LRT for the same reasons - they sure do keep this feature a secret!

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