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#1499558 --- 06/02/17 06:57 AM 'Stupid and Reckless'
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Trump’s Stupid and Reckless Climate Decision

New York Times
By Bill McKibben

JUNE 1, 2017

People say, if all you have is a hammer, then every problem looks like a nail. We should be so lucky. President Trump has a hammer, but all he’ll use it for is to smash things that others have built, as the world looks on in wonder and in fear. The latest, most troubling example is his decision to obliterate the Paris climate accord: After nearly 200 years of scientific inquiry and over 20 years of patient diplomacy that united every nation save Syria and Nicaragua, we had this afternoon’s big game-show Rose Garden reveal: Count us out.

It’s a stupid and reckless decision — our nation’s dumbest act since launching the war in Iraq. But it’s not stupid and reckless in the normal way. Instead, it amounts to a thorough repudiation of two of the civilizing forces on our planet: diplomacy and science. It undercuts our civilization’s chances of surviving global warming, but it also undercuts our civilization itself, since that civilization rests in large measure on those two forces.

Science first. Since the early 1800s we’ve been slowly but surely figuring out the mystery of how our climate operates — why our planet is warmer than it should be, given its distance from the sun. From Fourier to Foote and Tyndall, from Arrhenius to Revelle and Suess and Keeling, researchers have worked out the role that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases play in regulating temperature. By the 1980s, as supercomputers let us model the climate with ever greater power, we came to understand our possible fate. Those big brains, just in time, gave us the warning we required.

And now, in this millennium, we’ve watched the warning start to play out. We’ve seen 2014 set a new global temperature record, which was smashed in 2015 and smashed again in 2016. We’ve watched Arctic sea ice vanish at a record pace and measured the early disintegration of Antarctica’s great ice sheets. We’ve been able to record alarming increases in drought and flood and wildfire, and we’ve been able to link them directly to the greenhouse gases we’ve poured into the atmosphere. This is the largest-scale example in the planet’s history of the scientific method in operation, the continuing dialectic between hypothesis and skepticism that arrived eventually at a strong consensus about the most critical aspects of our planet’s maintenance. Rational people the world around understand. As Bloomberg Businessweek blazoned across its cover the week after Hurricane Sandy smashed into Wall Street, “It’s Global Warming, Stupid.”

But now President Trump (and 22 Republican senators who wrote a letter asking him to take the step) is betting that all of that is wrong. Mr. Trump famously called global warming a hoax during the campaign, and with this decision he’s wagering that he was actually right — he’s calling his own bluff. No line of argument in the physical world supports his claim, and no credible authority backs him, not here and not abroad. It’s telling that he simultaneously wants to cut the funding for the satellites and ocean buoys that monitor our degrading climate. Every piece of data they collect makes clear his foolishness. He’s simply insisting that physics isn’t real.


But it’s not just science that he’s blowing up. The Paris accord was a high achievement of the diplomatic art, a process much messier than science, and inevitably involving compromise and unseemly concession. Still, after decades of work, the world’s negotiators managed to bring along virtually every nation: the Saudis and the low-lying Marshall Islanders, the Chinese and the Indians. One hundred and ninety-five nations negotiated the Paris accord, including the United States.

The dysfunctional American political process had already warped the process, of course. The reason Paris is a series of voluntary agreements and not a real treaty is because the world had long since understood that no binding document would ever get two-thirds of the vote in our oil-soaked Senate. And that’s despite the fact that the agreement asks very little of us: President Barack Obama’s mild shift away from coal-fired power and toward higher-mileage cars would have satisfied our obligations.

Those changes, and similar ones agreed to by other nations, would not have ended global warming. They were too small. But the hope of Paris was that the treaty would send such a strong signal to the world’s governments, and its capital markets, that the targets would become a floor and not a ceiling; that shaken into action by the accord, we would start moving much faster toward renewable energy, maybe even fast enough to begin catching up with the physics of global warming. There are signs that this has been happening: The plummeting price of solar energy just this spring persuaded India to forgo a huge planned expansion of coal plants in favor of more solar panel arrays to catch the sun. China is shutting coal mines as fast as it can build wind turbines.

And that’s precisely the moment President Trump chose to make his move, a bid to undercut our best hope for a workable future in a bizarre attempt to restore the past. A few fossil-fuel barons may be pleased (Vladimir Putin likely among them, since his reign rests on the unobstructed development of Russia’s hydrocarbons), but most of the country and the world see this for the disaster it is. Majorities in every single state, red and blue alike, wanted America to stay in the accord.

And so we will resist. As the federal government reneges on its commitments, the rest of us will double down on ours. Already cities and states are committing to 100 percent renewable energy. Atlanta was the latest to take the step. We will make sure that every leader who hesitates and waffles on climate will be seen as another Donald Trump, and we will make sure that history will judge that name with the contempt it deserves. Not just because he didn’t take climate change seriously, but also because he didn’t take civilization seriously.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/opinion/trump-paris-climate-accord.html?_r=0
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#1499664 --- 06/05/17 01:42 PM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: Teonan]
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/05/opinions/trump-shows-hand-on-travel-ban-tribe/index.html

And all this information strengthens the case for the court to uphold the District Court's ruling, as upheld by the 4th US Circuit Court of Appeals, suspending implementation of the President's order.

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I would love to see the Supreme Court turn him down 9-0. He is such a total idiot.

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#1499671 --- 06/05/17 04:26 PM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

Trump’s Stupid and Reckless Climate Decision

New York Times
By Bill McKibben

JUNE 1, 2017

People say, if all you have is a hammer, then every problem looks like a nail. We should be so lucky. President Trump has a hammer, but all he’ll use it for is to smash things that others have built, as the world looks on in wonder and in fear. The latest, most troubling example is his decision to obliterate the Paris climate accord: After nearly 200 years of scientific inquiry and over 20 years of patient diplomacy that united every nation save Syria and Nicaragua, we had this afternoon’s big game-show Rose Garden reveal: Count us out.

It’s a stupid and reckless decision — our nation’s dumbest act since launching the war in Iraq. But it’s not stupid and reckless in the normal way. Instead, it amounts to a thorough repudiation of two of the civilizing forces on our planet: diplomacy and science. It undercuts our civilization’s chances of surviving global warming, but it also undercuts our civilization itself, since that civilization rests in large measure on those two forces.

Science first. Since the early 1800s we’ve been slowly but surely figuring out the mystery of how our climate operates — why our planet is warmer than it should be, given its distance from the sun. From Fourier to Foote and Tyndall, from Arrhenius to Revelle and Suess and Keeling, researchers have worked out the role that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases play in regulating temperature. By the 1980s, as supercomputers let us model the climate with ever greater power, we came to understand our possible fate. Those big brains, just in time, gave us the warning we required.

And now, in this millennium, we’ve watched the warning start to play out. We’ve seen 2014 set a new global temperature record, which was smashed in 2015 and smashed again in 2016. We’ve watched Arctic sea ice vanish at a record pace and measured the early disintegration of Antarctica’s great ice sheets. We’ve been able to record alarming increases in drought and flood and wildfire, and we’ve been able to link them directly to the greenhouse gases we’ve poured into the atmosphere. This is the largest-scale example in the planet’s history of the scientific method in operation, the continuing dialectic between hypothesis and skepticism that arrived eventually at a strong consensus about the most critical aspects of our planet’s maintenance. Rational people the world around understand. As Bloomberg Businessweek blazoned across its cover the week after Hurricane Sandy smashed into Wall Street, “It’s Global Warming, Stupid.”

But now President Trump (and 22 Republican senators who wrote a letter asking him to take the step) is betting that all of that is wrong. Mr. Trump famously called global warming a hoax during the campaign, and with this decision he’s wagering that he was actually right — he’s calling his own bluff. No line of argument in the physical world supports his claim, and no credible authority backs him, not here and not abroad. It’s telling that he simultaneously wants to cut the funding for the satellites and ocean buoys that monitor our degrading climate. Every piece of data they collect makes clear his foolishness. He’s simply insisting that physics isn’t real.


But it’s not just science that he’s blowing up. The Paris accord was a high achievement of the diplomatic art, a process much messier than science, and inevitably involving compromise and unseemly concession. Still, after decades of work, the world’s negotiators managed to bring along virtually every nation: the Saudis and the low-lying Marshall Islanders, the Chinese and the Indians. One hundred and ninety-five nations negotiated the Paris accord, including the United States.

The dysfunctional American political process had already warped the process, of course. The reason Paris is a series of voluntary agreements and not a real treaty is because the world had long since understood that no binding document would ever get two-thirds of the vote in our oil-soaked Senate. And that’s despite the fact that the agreement asks very little of us: President Barack Obama’s mild shift away from coal-fired power and toward higher-mileage cars would have satisfied our obligations.

Those changes, and similar ones agreed to by other nations, would not have ended global warming. They were too small. But the hope of Paris was that the treaty would send such a strong signal to the world’s governments, and its capital markets, that the targets would become a floor and not a ceiling; that shaken into action by the accord, we would start moving much faster toward renewable energy, maybe even fast enough to begin catching up with the physics of global warming. There are signs that this has been happening: The plummeting price of solar energy just this spring persuaded India to forgo a huge planned expansion of coal plants in favor of more solar panel arrays to catch the sun. China is shutting coal mines as fast as it can build wind turbines.

And that’s precisely the moment President Trump chose to make his move, a bid to undercut our best hope for a workable future in a bizarre attempt to restore the past. A few fossil-fuel barons may be pleased (Vladimir Putin likely among them, since his reign rests on the unobstructed development of Russia’s hydrocarbons), but most of the country and the world see this for the disaster it is. Majorities in every single state, red and blue alike, wanted America to stay in the accord.

And so we will resist. As the federal government reneges on its commitments, the rest of us will double down on ours. Already cities and states are committing to 100 percent renewable energy. Atlanta was the latest to take the step. We will make sure that every leader who hesitates and waffles on climate will be seen as another Donald Trump, and we will make sure that history will judge that name with the contempt it deserves. Not just because he didn’t take climate change seriously, but also because he didn’t take civilization seriously.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/opinion/trump-paris-climate-accord.html?_r=0
That Paris accord didn't amount to squat! Just another way to waist American taxpayer money!

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#1499672 --- 06/05/17 04:28 PM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/05/opinions/trump-shows-hand-on-travel-ban-tribe/index.html

And all this information strengthens the case for the court to uphold the District Court's ruling, as upheld by the 4th US Circuit Court of Appeals, suspending implementation of the President's order.

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I would love to see the Supreme Court turn him down 9-0. He is such a total idiot.
Tell the people in London & Paris! I think they have learned the hard way that open borders aren't a good thing!

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#1499674 --- 06/05/17 05:06 PM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: gassy one]
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Maybe you haven't noticed that almost all of the terrorists in Europe were natives of the country they struck in.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2017/06/04/...ces-highlights/

Biggest TV event since election night?

With James Comey about to testify, Carl Bernstein says "Trump is not nearly as effective at presiding over a cover-up as Nixon was." Bernstein praises recent reporting about the Russia investigations.

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#1499710 --- 06/06/17 09:34 PM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: kyle585]
gassy one Offline
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Maybe you haven't noticed that almost all of the terrorists in Europe were natives of the country they struck in.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2017/06/04/...ces-highlights/

Biggest TV event since election night?

With James Comey about to testify, Carl Bernstein says "Trump is not nearly as effective at presiding over a cover-up as Nixon was." Bernstein praises recent reporting about the Russia investigations.
Where did they travel to to get their training Kyle! If England & France had a more thorough tracking system these tragedies might have been averted!

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#1499713 --- 06/07/17 01:42 AM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Maybe you haven't noticed that almost all of the terrorists in Europe were natives of the country they struck in.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2017/06/04/...ces-highlights/

Biggest TV event since election night?

With James Comey about to testify, Carl Bernstein says "Trump is not nearly as effective at presiding over a cover-up as Nixon was." Bernstein praises recent reporting about the Russia investigations.
Where did they travel to to get their training Kyle! If England & France had a more thorough tracking system these tragedies might have been averted!
And we already have more thorough tracking system so we are all set.

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#1499714 --- 06/07/17 01:51 AM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Maybe you haven't noticed that almost all of the terrorists in Europe were natives of the country they struck in.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2017/06/04/...ces-highlights/

Biggest TV event since election night?

With James Comey about to testify, Carl Bernstein says "Trump is not nearly as effective at presiding over a cover-up as Nixon was." Bernstein praises recent reporting about the Russia investigations.
Where did they travel to to get their training Kyle! If England & France had a more thorough tracking system these tragedies might have been averted!
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/british-auth...ential-threats/

After the carnage, there are questions: What can be learned from the latest London attack to prevent more of them?

Police here say they're already monitoring 500 suspects, have 3,000 other "people of interest" on their radar, and know of 20,000 other potential surveillance targets beyond that.

"The volume issue has become a major challenge for the police and intelligence agencies," said Richard Walton, who used to run London's anti-terror unit.

Walton said it can take dozens of officers to watch just one suspect.

"The police and the intelligence agencies can only be devoted to the sort of top three, four, five percent of those individuals," he said. "You cannot monitor 3,000 individuals all of the time, 24 hours a day."

The so-called "new normal" keeps changing, especially as pressure on the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) continues to build in Syria and Iraq. The London attacks are the sting in the ISIS tail.

"This is a death cult, this is an entity that realizes it is losing territory in Iraq and Syria, and wants to take out as many people as it can," said Sajjan Gohel, who advises governments and police on terrorism.

And he says trying to counter ISIS propaganda doesn't work when, like the London attackers, some are just too far gone.

"There are bad people out there that have violent tendencies," Gohel said.

"They have no hesitation to kill children, to mow people down," he said. Countering violent extremism may have some place, to a degree, but it doesn't work in stopping the ideologically zealous."

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#1499750 --- 06/08/17 08:49 AM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: kyle585]
gassy one Offline
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Registered: 09/27/16
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Maybe you haven't noticed that almost all of the terrorists in Europe were natives of the country they struck in.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2017/06/04/...ces-highlights/

Biggest TV event since election night?

With James Comey about to testify, Carl Bernstein says "Trump is not nearly as effective at presiding over a cover-up as Nixon was." Bernstein praises recent reporting about the Russia investigations.
Where did they travel to to get their training Kyle! If England & France had a more thorough tracking system these tragedies might have been averted!
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/british-auth...ential-threats/

After the carnage, there are questions: What can be learned from the latest London attack to prevent more of them?

Police here say they're already monitoring 500 suspects, have 3,000 other "people of interest" on their radar, and know of 20,000 other potential surveillance targets beyond that.

"The volume issue has become a major challenge for the police and intelligence agencies," said Richard Walton, who used to run London's anti-terror unit.

Walton said it can take dozens of officers to watch just one suspect.

"The police and the intelligence agencies can only be devoted to the sort of top three, four, five percent of those individuals," he said. "You cannot monitor 3,000 individuals all of the time, 24 hours a day."

The so-called "new normal" keeps changing, especially as pressure on the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) continues to build in Syria and Iraq. The London attacks are the sting in the ISIS tail.

"This is a death cult, this is an entity that realizes it is losing territory in Iraq and Syria, and wants to take out as many people as it can," said Sajjan Gohel, who advises governments and police on terrorism.

And he says trying to counter ISIS propaganda doesn't work when, like the London attackers, some are just too far gone.

"There are bad people out there that have violent tendencies," Gohel said.

"They have no hesitation to kill children, to mow people down," he said. Countering violent extremism may have some place, to a degree, but it doesn't work in stopping the ideologically zealous."
Now Merkel says they may have to cut back on people's rights to combat terroism! Exactly what Trump has been saying for months! It only took England needless deaths to figure that out!

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#1499753 --- 06/08/17 10:03 AM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: Teonan]
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Meanwhile in America, we have mass shootings by white American males, and the deaths far outnumber those of the attacks in the EU.
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#1499758 --- 06/08/17 12:17 PM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: Sketch]
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Yup. whistle
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#1499773 --- 06/08/17 10:00 PM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: Sketch]
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Originally Posted By: Sketch
Meanwhile in America, we have mass shootings by white American males, and the deaths far outnumber those of the attacks in the EU.
Actually out of the last 86 mass shootings 48 were white shooters! So it is split pretty evenly! There is a reason why our prison population is overwhelmingly minorities!


Edited by gassy one (06/08/17 10:02 PM)

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#1499777 --- 06/09/17 06:44 AM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Sketch
Meanwhile in America, we have mass shootings by white American males, and the deaths far outnumber those of the attacks in the EU.
Actually out of the last 86 mass shootings 48 were white shooters! So it is split pretty evenly! There is a reason why our prison population is overwhelmingly minorities!
If half the shootings are by whites, then why is not half the prison population white?

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#1499850 --- 06/11/17 10:28 PM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: kyle585]
gassy one Offline
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Sketch
Meanwhile in America, we have mass shootings by white American males, and the deaths far outnumber those of the attacks in the EU.
Actually out of the last 86 mass shootings 48 were white shooters! So it is split pretty evenly! There is a reason why our prison population is overwhelmingly minorities!
If half the shootings are by whites, then why is not half the prison population white?
Read Kyle Read! I said almost half of the mass shootings Kyle not total shootings!

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#1499855 --- 06/12/17 01:47 AM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Sketch
Meanwhile in America, we have mass shootings by white American males, and the deaths far outnumber those of the attacks in the EU.
Actually out of the last 86 mass shootings 48 were white shooters! So it is split pretty evenly! There is a reason why our prison population is overwhelmingly minorities!
If half the shootings are by whites, then why is not half the prison population white?
Read Kyle Read! I said almost half of the mass shootings Kyle not total shootings!
And most of these shooting were by native born American citizens so Trumps no ban by another other name will do no good.

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#1499859 --- 06/12/17 03:59 AM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.salon.com/2017/06/11/yes-dona...t-to-democracy/

Sunday, Jun 11, 2017 12:00 PM EST
Yes, Donald Trump is an incompetent buffoon — but he’s still a major threat to democracy

Trump is an ignorant clown and lousy at being president — that shouldn't reassure us about the damage he can do


In an article for the Guardian last month, leftist author Corey Robin criticized liberals for this hysteria and credulity, and pointed out that Trump hasn’t even attempted to fill the vast majority of positions in the executive branch since becoming president. “It’s a strange kind of authoritarian who fails, as the first order of business, to seize control of the state apparatus,” observes Robin, who goes on to blast liberals for taking the president’s words (or, in many cases, tweets) far too seriously. “Trump has always thought his words were more real than reality. He’s always believed his own bullshit. It’s time his liberal critics stopped believing it too,” he writes.

Robin makes a valid point, and it is certainly time for liberals to brush up on their critical thinking skills. That doesn’t mean we should stop taking Trump’s authoritarian threats seriously. And just because the Trump administration has been an incompetent mess until now doesn’t mean that the danger isn’t real. Trump has yet to imprison his political opponents or crack down on the media or impose martial law in Chicago, but he has threatened to do such things, which is dangerous in and of itself.

Trump is no mastermind, and he has little understanding of how the government works. In the long run, the big donors who have come to dominate American politics over the past 40 years probably pose a greater hazard to democracy than Donald Trump. But any leader who breaks as many democratic norms as our president has over the past few months must be regarded as a legitimate threat to democracy, no matter how ludicrous he appears while doing it.

Conor Lynch is a writer and journalist living in New York City. His work has appeared on Salon, AlterNet, Counterpunch and openDemocracy. Follow him on Twitter: @dilgentbureauct.

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#1499896 --- 06/13/17 09:28 AM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
http://www.salon.com/2017/06/11/yes-dona...t-to-democracy/

Sunday, Jun 11, 2017 12:00 PM EST
Yes, Donald Trump is an incompetent buffoon — but he’s still a major threat to democracy

Trump is an ignorant clown and lousy at being president — that shouldn't reassure us about the damage he can do


In an article for the Guardian last month, leftist author Corey Robin criticized liberals for this hysteria and credulity, and pointed out that Trump hasn’t even attempted to fill the vast majority of positions in the executive branch since becoming president. “It’s a strange kind of authoritarian who fails, as the first order of business, to seize control of the state apparatus,” observes Robin, who goes on to blast liberals for taking the president’s words (or, in many cases, tweets) far too seriously. “Trump has always thought his words were more real than reality. He’s always believed his own bullshit. It’s time his liberal critics stopped believing it too,” he writes.

Robin makes a valid point, and it is certainly time for liberals to brush up on their critical thinking skills. That doesn’t mean we should stop taking Trump’s authoritarian threats seriously. And just because the Trump administration has been an incompetent mess until now doesn’t mean that the danger isn’t real. Trump has yet to imprison his political opponents or crack down on the media or impose martial law in Chicago, but he has threatened to do such things, which is dangerous in and of itself.

Trump is no mastermind, and he has little understanding of how the government works. In the long run, the big donors who have come to dominate American politics over the past 40 years probably pose a greater hazard to democracy than Donald Trump. But any leader who breaks as many democratic norms as our president has over the past few months must be regarded as a legitimate threat to democracy, no matter how ludicrous he appears while doing it.

Conor Lynch is a writer and journalist living in New York City. His work has appeared on Salon, AlterNet, Counterpunch and openDemocracy. Follow him on Twitter: @dilgentbureauct.
That's exactly why I like the guy! He breaks democratic norms and runs the country like a business. He's not a polished politician and doesn't kiss butt like most politicians do! He is doing what he said he was going to do when he ran for office unlike most politicians!

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#1499897 --- 06/13/17 09:52 AM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
http://www.salon.com/2017/06/11/yes-dona...t-to-democracy/


Trump is no mastermind, and he has little understanding of how the government works.



That is because government isn't working.
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#1499900 --- 06/13/17 02:34 PM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Trump is no mastermind, and he has little understanding of how the government works.

That is because government isn't working.

What??? That kind or circular reasoning is 'Stupid and Reckless'. crazy crazy crazy
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#1499926 --- 06/13/17 09:29 PM Re: 'Stupid and Reckless' [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Originally Posted By: kyle585
http://www.salon.com/2017/06/11/yes-dona...t-to-democracy/


Trump is no mastermind, and he has little understanding of how the government works.



That is because government isn't working.
That's what makes him great! No political ties or butts to kiss like your fellow Dems do Kyle!

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