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#1498173 --- 04/28/17 08:24 AM $53 MILLION school budget
bluezone Offline
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as the article below points out the geneva city school had to exceed the tax cap last year and now the school system wants even more money

the canandaigua school system covers 80 square miles and all their students are bused

the geneva school system only covers 40 square miles and not all students are bused

strange that canandaigua can bus all their students and still spend far less per student than the geneva school system

must be the canandaigua buses run on sunshine and rain drops grin

guardian glass just got a $30 million reduction in their taxes

how much will the geneva school taxes go up with those two conditions?

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GENEVA — Residents get their chance to sound off on the city school district’s $48.825 million budget proposal at a public hearing tonight.

Susan Gray, the district’s director of business and finance, said officials will offer a PowerPoint presentation on the budget before taking comments and questions. The session starts at 6 p.m. in the high school library.

The budget would increase the tax levy by 1.95 percent, bringing it to $18.051 million. Because the state formula allows Geneva a tax increase of 0.34 percent, the district will need the approval of at least 60 percent of its voters May 19 to enact the budget.

If the district gets it, the tax rate will rise from $21.82 per $1,000 of assessed property value to $22.17. For a home assessed at $100,000, that equates to a $35 hike in school taxes.

If the budget fails, administrators can reassess the plan and hold another vote. If it fails a second time, the district would adopt a contingency budget.

The budget increases spending by about $2 million over the current fiscal year. It includes these cuts:

• A counselor’s position (through resignation). A behavioral psychologist will replace the position.

• A teacher (a teacher is relocating).

• Three teaching assistants.

• Reduced hours for one secretary.

The district will realize savings by replacing higher-paid retirees with new hires and through a $60,000 reduction in transportation expenses.

On the other side of the ledger, the district divided the proposed spending increase into two categories. The first, which totals $1.437 million, includes increases in the cost of debt service, insurance, salaries and BOCES; the second, which totals $613,219, includes additions Superintendent Trina Newton proposed April 9. Those additions include a cleaner, a groundskeeper, a full-time translator/interpreter, a social worker, another dual language teacher, and, possibly, a teacher evaluator.

In addition, administrators are proposing $300,000 worth of technology upgrades.

District officials say many of the additions restore items cut in previous years.

The school board unanimously approved the budget last month.
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#1498906 --- 05/17/17 08:04 AM Re: $53 MILLION school budget [Re: bluezone]
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with a reduction in student enrollment down by 300 students and cost per student at about $19,000

300 x $19,000 = $5,700,000

the savings per year should be about $5,700,000

why has the school budget not gone down by $5.7 million ?
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#1499311 --- 05/26/17 11:42 AM Re: $53 MILLION school budget [Re: bluezone]
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In 2014 40% of GCSD kids were living in defined poverty. 2017 it's 55%. Most graduates who go to college do not come back to Geneva or upstate New York because of employment opportunity and taxes. That leaves behind those stuck in the cycle of socio-economic poverty, a dwindling senior citizen population due to no housing and high taxes, and lower middle income families. Soon the taxes will be so high that instead of having 60% of the cities residential units as rentals, it will be closer to 75%. With the high taxes cutting into profits of landlords or in some cases negating them, the houses will be maintained even more poorly (meeting code and nothing more) and will slowly decline street by street until over half of Geneva looks like Colt Street.

Hold city council and the school board accountable.

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#1514631 --- 05/10/18 01:46 PM Re: $56 MILLION school budget [Re: ScubaSteve78]
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Originally Posted By: ScubaSteve78
In 2014 40% of GCSD kids were living in defined poverty. 2017 it's 55%. Most graduates who go to college do not come back to Geneva or upstate New York because of employment opportunity and taxes. That leaves behind those stuck in the cycle of socio-economic poverty, a dwindling senior citizen population due to no housing and high taxes, and lower middle income families. Soon the taxes will be so high that instead of having 60% of the cities residential units as rentals, it will be closer to 75%. With the high taxes cutting into profits of landlords or in some cases negating them, the houses will be maintained even more poorly (meeting code and nothing more) and will slowly decline street by street until over half of Geneva looks like Colt Street.

Hold city council and the school board accountable.



the school budget was just $48 million two years ago

now they want $56 million?

seems to be a nearly 17% increase in just two years

enrollment is down

LOWER the budget by 17%
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#1514636 --- 05/10/18 05:05 PM Re: $56 MILLION school budget [Re: bluezone]
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Do the math - $25K per student and they still can't read - 51% of third graders rated insufficient in English Language arts.

Now another capital project - it's "free" since we're getting state aid and using reserves from the capital account. Didn't the state aid and reserves come out of my pocket a year ago?

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#1514684 --- 05/13/18 09:12 AM Re: $56 MILLION school budget [Re: bluezone]
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$35 per $100,000 equates for most people in Geneva to less
than $ 1 per week. That's a very small amount to pay to educate our young people and give them a "CHANCE" in life whether here or someplace else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#1514685 --- 05/13/18 02:25 PM Re: $56 MILLION school budget [Re: 764379255223]
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Originally Posted By: 764379255223
$35 per $100,000 equates for most people in Geneva to less
than $ 1 per week. That's a very small amount to pay to educate our young people and give them a "CHANCE" in life whether here or someplace else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But it's not just about the one-time tax increase. It's every year, year after year after year. All those "just an extra dollar a week" add up year after year after year. Every time there's a school budget vote citizens are threatened "we will have to go to an austerity budget" and "we'll have to cut programs" and "what's another few dollars a year when it's for the children?" Enough is enough. If enrollment is declining, there is no reason to increase the budget by millions a year.

Those young people you mention will ALL end up someplace else due to the ridiculously high taxes in the city.

The district needs to start making hard choices, starting with the outlandish salary that Trina Newton takes home.

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#1514688 --- 05/13/18 04:04 PM Re: $56 MILLION school budget [Re: bluezone]
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From: http://www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-education-spending-per-pupil-data.html you can see that NY is way ahead of every other state including unionized states like Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and New Jersey. Are our kids that much smarter? Try not to faint when you look at the $Benefits per pupil.

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#1514703 --- 05/14/18 02:08 PM Re: $56 MILLION school budget [Re: Tacitus]
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NY State primary education ranks 31st, yet the rate of graduation is higher than at any point in state history. NY's secondary education ranks 14th, and 5th highest in the nation for advanced degrees, job placement and career salary.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education/higher-education
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#1514708 --- 05/14/18 03:08 PM Re: $56 MILLION school budget [Re: bluezone]
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One interpretation is that we have made graduation so easy that anyone can do it. Certainly the Regents exams have been dumbed down since we took them. As far as higher education, there's no arguing that NY attracts a solid bench of out-of-state and foreign students, who go on to get great jobs in low tax states.

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#1514713 --- 05/14/18 04:50 PM Re: $56 MILLION school budget [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
One interpretation is that we have made graduation so easy that anyone can do it. Certainly the Regents exams have been dumbed down since we took them. As far as higher education, there's no arguing that NY attracts a solid bench of out-of-state and foreign students, who go on to get great jobs in low tax states.

WOW! Those are some rather broad and highly specific leaps of logic. I can do that too, you know. crazy
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#1514717 --- 05/14/18 05:29 PM Re: $56 MILLION school budget [Re: bluezone]
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Your last post shows that you ability.

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#1514783 --- 05/16/18 12:10 PM Re: $56 MILLION school budget [Re: 764379255223]
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Originally Posted By: 764379255223
$35 per $100,000 equates for most people in Geneva to less
than $ 1 per week.


feel free to just write out a check for the nearly $7 million increase

nearly 70% of the properties in the city are OFF THE TAX ROLLS

the city taxpayers already pay three times more for property taxes and the school taxes are higher compared to all other schools in Ontario county

and they do not even get their trash picked up for their high taxes

they have to spend even more for that also

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County of Ontario
Municipality Tax Rate
Per $1000 AV


City of Canandaigua 6.31
City of Geneva 18.29
Town of Canandaigua 1.15
Town of Victor 0.72
Village of Victor 4.23

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#1514784 --- 05/16/18 12:12 PM Re: $56 MILLION school budget [Re: 764379255223]
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Originally Posted By: 764379255223
$35 per $100,000 equates for most people in Geneva to less than $ 1 per week.


at the current rate in just over 7 years the school budget will exceed $100 million

hope all that money they spent to raise the gym ceiling will improve the graduation rates... whistle
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#1514802 --- 05/17/18 05:00 AM Re: $56 MILLION school budget [Re: bluezone]
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They just hired a business manager for $92K plus the perks - maybe she can figure it out.

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#1514807 --- 05/17/18 10:10 AM Re: $56 MILLION school budget [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
They just hired a business manager for $92K plus the perks - maybe she can figure it out.


The school system loves to spend taxpayer money
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#1514808 --- 05/17/18 10:14 AM Re: $56 MILLION school budget [Re: 764379255223]
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Originally Posted By: 764379255223
$35 per $100,000 equates for most people in Geneva to less
than $ 1 per week.


Care to explain why the city of geneva has to offer the 'live where you work' program to entice people to buy a home inside the city limits?
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#1514810 --- 05/17/18 10:21 AM Re: $56 MILLION school budget [Re: bluezone]
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Question, if you saw a Chevrolet salesperson driving nothing but Ford, what does that say about Chevrolet?
I grew up in Ovid and went to South Seneca, one of their teacher sent his children to Geneva DeSales, is that a message that I'll take school district's money but I rather send my kids to a better school?

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#1514884 --- 05/19/18 04:55 PM Re: $56 MILLION school budget [Re: bluezone]
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If a charter school with no religious affiliations had taken over DeSales I would have been interested, given that my kids, in 8th grade, were sitting next to students that didn't even know their multiplication tables.

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#1514891 --- 05/20/18 03:25 PM Re: $56 MILLION school budget [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: 764379255223
$35 per $100,000 equates for most people in Geneva to less than $ 1 per week.

at the current rate in just over 7 years the school budget will exceed $100 million whistle

Past Performance Is Not Indicative Of Future Results... EVER.

See, I can use large type size too. Your use of it however, doesn't magically make your assumptions accurate. whistle
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