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#1492485 --- 11/13/16 07:33 PM Geneva's Big Dirty Secret
Teonan Offline
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Lead tainting Geneva's soil kept hidden for 30 years

"At least one Geneva parent, Kara Helstrom, is certain that her 3-year-old son’s elevated blood-lead level is due to the soil in their yard. The Jackson Street home where Helstrom and her family live was first found to have elevated metals in the soil in 2005, though the family was never informed."

Read on: http://www.ithacajournal.com/story/news/...years/92896708/
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#1492530 --- 11/15/16 08:30 AM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: Teonan]
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It seems that this was not a secret to the many property owners who lived here when a factory spewed soda ash into the air for decades. It may have been a secret to people who subsequently purchased property in the area.

I am reminded of many debates I've overheard or read. Debates between my grandfather and friends at the counter at the old Pumpernickel restaurant in the 1980s. And debates right here on this website a decade ago. Geneva has always had two factions of people, both on city council and among the general population: those who strongly favor business, and those who strongly favor environmental causes. Far too often those two do not mix, especially when local government is concerned. It seems to me that Geneva has always had a majority (in society and on council) who support business over all. I am hopeful that this news will be the tipping point for that, and that protecting our environment (Seneca Lake, the lakefront, etc.) will begin to be the majority view. As we see here, our failure to do so can have consequences that last for generations.

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#1492579 --- 11/16/16 09:24 PM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: Teonan]
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I've grown up with friends that lived there and this just stinks. Not a great way to help your fellow citizen. My wife, who is not from around here, said it reminds her of Love Canal. Remember that?

Not cool at all. Time to clean it up and make things right. Wow, I just think about all the gardens grown there and shudder.

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#1492599 --- 11/17/16 02:30 PM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: Kells]
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Very well said Kells

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#1493176 --- 12/09/16 07:25 AM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: Teonan]
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Stage is set for lawsuit over Geneva Foundry contamination

"Jeff Helstrom of 12 Jackson St. couldn’t get up to the front table fast enough to sign up.

He was one of about 50 people attending an informational meeting Wednesday at Hydrant Hose with two lawyers from the Smith & Sovik law firm of Syracuse.

Anywhere from 30 to 50 people signed retainer agreements to hire the law firm, with the possibility of a class action lawsuit if enough sign up who have similar stories.

Lawyers Steven Williams and Brady O’Malley were there to explain legal options for people living in the Geneva Foundry neighborhoods in the 5th and 6th Wards."

Read on: http://www.fltimes.com/news/stage-is-set...1909470346.html
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#1493925 --- 01/06/17 08:20 PM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: pingu]
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http://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/15/nyregi...e-safe-now.html

Did you notice the lawyers are looking for a settlement? They know they don't have a chance in Court. If anyone took a close look they would find that the whole state is contaminated and even worse in most areas. By the way, as of 2008 they were still investigating the Love Canal thing and still hadn't reached a conclusion.


Edited by scwoodchuck (01/06/17 09:18 PM)
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#1493947 --- 01/08/17 05:55 AM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: scwoodchuck]
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This situation has been in the newspaper many times over the years. The EPA has lowered the acceptable levels of certain contaminants over the years and that's why it's such a big deal today. Natural processes have remediated much of the problem over time,and as I recall the paper said the lead levels are just over the new, lower limits. As I see it the city should not be held responsible because the DEC and the New York State Department of Health have allowed this condition to exist.


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#1495626 --- 02/21/17 05:26 AM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: Teonan]
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Slick move City of Geneva. Sweeping foundry soot under the rugs of your residents. NOT good.


13WHAM Investigation: Geneva soil contamination

by Jim Madalinsky

February 20, 2017

In 1998, the City of Geneva acquired the foundry property and did more testing that showed elevated metal levels next door to the site and in properties at least a block away.

In 2005 and 2006, even more testing. More than 40 properties were tested with more than half showing elevated lead levels, and almost two-thirds showing elevated levels of arsenic in the soil. Some tests showed levels more than two and even three times higher than what is recommended by the Environmental Protection Agency.

Throughout all of this testing, it appears no one living in the area was ever notified about the potential dangers.

13WHAM submitted Freedom of Information Requests to the City of Geneva, the DEC and the Department of Health asking for a copy of any warnings sent to residents during the investigation. Not one was provided.


Read on: http://13wham.com/news/special-reports/13-wham-investigation-geneva-soil-contamination
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#1497935 --- 04/19/17 05:41 AM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: Teonan]
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A scientist once said," if you're concerned about being exposed to toxic substances, you're living on the wrong planet " .


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#1497942 --- 04/19/17 10:24 AM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: Teonan]
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Maybe she should have fed her child and he wouldn't have eaten so much dirt. Or maybe its from paint chips or Chinese toys. If there wasn't a prospect of getting a payday, would it matter to these people.
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#1497958 --- 04/19/17 11:28 AM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
"... the Love Canal thing"


crazy crazy crazy
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#1497959 --- 04/19/17 11:32 AM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
A scientist once said," if you're concerned about being exposed to toxic substances, you're living on the wrong planet " .

A scientist employed by Union Carbide perhaps??? eek
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#1498000 --- 04/20/17 08:24 AM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: FLvino]
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You are an idiot. Plenty of people planted gardens in our yards that our families ate from not having any clue that it was contaminated.

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#1498117 --- 04/26/17 10:48 AM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: 4sizzle]
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You just called me a stupid person or a mentally handicapped person. That isn't nice. And why did you have people plant gardens in your yards. Why didn't you plant them yourself. And why are you eating from the gardens that someone else planted in your yard? I know the area very well. There are not many gardens in that area. But it looks good in a law suit doesn't it. Years ago, Yes there were a lot of victory gardens there. How about the area where the gas refinery was on Railroad and Wadsworth. That's contaminated.
Originally Posted By: 4sizzle
You are an idiot. Plenty of people planted gardens in our yards that our families ate from not having any clue that it was contaminated.
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#1498209 --- 04/29/17 06:37 PM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: Teonan]
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My friend's child was found to have a high lead level. She was told to address it immediately or her children would be placed in foster care. They had to move or remedy the problem. Kids don't have to consume the contaminated item. Exposure is enough.

If it's in the dirt I would be testing our drinking water sources too. Look at the poor people in Flint Michigan.

I just read that only 2 1/2 % of earth's water is drinkable. It looks like that percentage will be dwindling if we're not careful.
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#1498242 --- 05/01/17 08:42 AM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: Teonan]
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Latest ploy to protect the guilty. G-town threatens gag order...


Proposed Resolution Aims To Silence Critics At City Council Meetings

Buried within the three-page resolution is a warning to those who might use public comment to criticize specific Councilors or staff.

In response to last month’s outpouring of concerns and criticism regarding the City’s handling of the Geneva Foundry cleanup, City Manager Matt Horn is offering a proposed resolution titled “RESOLUTION #17 – ADDRESSING PUBLIC CONCERNS RELATED TO THE FORMER GENEVA FOUNDRY SITE.” This resolution is attached to the May 3, 2017 City Council Agenda posted on the City’s website, and begins on page 4.

Unsurprisingly, the Resolution affirms that the City did everything they were supposed to do regarding the Foundry cleanup, laying the blame solely at the feet of the DEC for failing to create a cleanup plan after supposedly being given the necessary information from the city.

Of course, this is a misdirection. Current City Councilor Gordon Eddington knew about the contamination for decades, yet didn’t inform the public. It’s certainly likely that other city employees knew about the contamination, but failed to warn residents.

Whether or not the DEC dragged their feet in beginning the cleanup is irrelevant to the fact that Eddington knew about the contamination of residential properties and did not warn residents.

Silencing Critics

Some unnerving portions of the resolution relate to City Council public comment procedure:

“WHEREAS, to the extent the residents have concerns about the handling of former Geneva Foundry site, such concerns should be directed at City Council, and not specific Council Members and/or City Staff, as required by the Rules and Procedures of Geneva City Council;”

It appears that this section of the resolution is being proposed specifically in response to the April Council meeting during which Councilor Eddington was confronted multiple times during public comment for his failure to inform residents of lead and arsenic dangers for decades. It’s clear that the City Manager would like to protect Leaddington from having to deal directly and personally with any future comments from poisoned, terrified and angry residents.

Rather than allow the public the opportunity to voice their concerns to the one Councilor who has direct knowledge of the Foundry issue, the City Manager has taken it upon himself to protect Leaddington from any uncomfortable confrontations.

“BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, the Presiding Officer will remind the public that the Rules and Procedures for Geneva City Council require that all remarks be addressed to the City Council as a whole and not to any individual member thereof; and the Presiding Officer will not allow the public to state any personal attacks on any City Council or staff;”

This might be the most unsettling message of all.

Read on: https://genevabeliever.wordpress.com/201...uncil-meetings/
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#1498267 --- 05/02/17 10:32 AM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: Teonan]
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Who the heck is running this City???? Looks to me like City Council is being told what to do by the City Manager! That's NOT the way its supposed to be. Why is the City Manager trying to prevent we the citizens of Geneva from talking at a Council meeting? What are they afraid of?

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#1498472 --- 05/07/17 08:36 PM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: Teonan]
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If you have not seen this provides a great summary of some of the foundry concerns regarding the public disclosure of information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnIrnjQC4tw

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#1498479 --- 05/08/17 05:27 AM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: genevaparent]
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Originally Posted By: genevaparent
If you have not seen this provides a great summary of some of the foundry concerns regarding the public disclosure of information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnIrnjQC4tw


I have. Thanks for sharing!

"We’d like to invite readers to view the public comments offered by former City Councilor Jackie Augustine at the May 3rd Council meeting. Augustine was responding to the claims in Resolution 17 that the City provided all required information to the DEC regarding the Foundry remediation, and that the DEC failed to act on this information, effectively absolving the City of all responsibility for the decades-long Foundry debacle.

Watch as Augustine thoroughly destroys the City’s claims of innocence by referencing a series of FOIL documents that confirm the exact opposite scenario."

-Geneva Believer

read on: https://genevabeliever.wordpress.com/201...eneva-believer/
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#1500797 --- 07/02/17 07:57 AM Re: Geneva's Big Dirty Secret [Re: Teonan]
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Geneva Believer ? OMG, not another one. Didn't anyone ever tell you to be careful what to believe on the internet ?
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