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#1506113 --- 10/06/17 11:55 AM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
More garbage!
Another brilliant reply in support of the biggest womanizer we have ever had for president.

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#1506116 --- 10/06/17 03:20 PM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: gassy one]
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Read this gassy and see if it sinks in. The price of milk will skyrocket without Latino workers. As will the price of all fruits and vegetables.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wisc...kushpmg00000009


Undocumented Workers Are The Backbone Of Dairies. Will Trump Change That?
“A cow does not take a day off.”


On a recent summer evening, dozens of farmers, public officials, dairy workers and rural residents took their seats in the lofty pole barn of Ripp’s Dairy Valley farm to talk about the health of Wisconsin’s dairy industry.

The main topic of the night, pushed to the forefront by the election of President Donald Trump: immigration.

“Well, it’s a hot topic, and every night on the news you hear about building a wall and what we’re gonna do, like we’re gonna kick everybody out,” Chuck Ripp, who owns the farm with his brothers Troy and Gary, told the group. “First of all, Trump has a lot of power, but I don’t think he has that much power. He doesn’t quite understand, I don’t think, everything that involves in our lives all the time here on the dairy farm.”

The farmers’ interest in immigration issues marks a shift. A generation ago, Wisconsin’s agricultural landscape was dominated by small and medium-sized dairy farms run by the families that owned them, and immigration wasn’t a top-line issue for dairy farmers.

But today, the nation’s No. 2 milk-producing state is home to a growing number of large, concentrated animal-feeding operations. These businesses, which operate 24/7, year-round, require work that some farmers insist most Americans will not do. The number of workers on dairies in Wisconsin has nearly doubled since 2006 to about 14,000, according to federal figures.

As dairies’ need for workers has grown, the move away from small family farms has dried up the pipeline that once supplied those workers, says Shelly Mayer, executive director for Professional Dairy Producers of Wisconsin, the trade group that hosted the event at Ripp’s Dairy. Rural areas in Wisconsin and across the nation have been losing population. Between 2000 and 2010, Wisconsin’s population grew by 6 percent, but more than a quarter of Wisconsin’s 72 counties lost population.

“We’re just short of people,” Mayer said. “Immigration is... really a symptom of a rural labor shortage. I don’t think any of the farmers are trying to work around the system. They just need a person they can rely on to care for cows.”
Coburn Dukehart/Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism

Rivera is from Mexico and has been working at the farm since 2003. His wife and daughter live with him on the farm. “Here there is more opportunities for work,” he said. “In Mexico, nada.

Tim Keller, who milks 330 cows on his 600-acre farm near Mount Horeb, about 25 miles west of Madison, has another theory about the importance of immigrant labor to dairy operations: Immigrants work harder.

“Even if an American guy came up right now, I don’t know if I’d hire him,” said Keller, who employs five immigrant workers. “I’d rather have a Latino.”

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#1506152 --- 10/06/17 07:05 PM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: kyle585]
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Kyle I guess you are not aware of all the automated milking parlors that are operating in the Finger Lakes are you?

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#1506172 --- 10/07/17 02:56 AM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Kyle I guess you are not aware of all the automated milking parlors that are operating in the Finger Lakes are you?
I am aware. I have read the articles about them in the Finger Lakes Times. All the automated milking parlors? I think there is only one now. Someday I suspect all cows will be milked that way. But they are very very expensive. In the meantime I believe there are more Latinos milking cows in the Finger Lakes than automated milking parlors.

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#1506173 --- 10/07/17 03:00 AM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: kyle585]
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https://cardi.cals.cornell.edu/publicati...ate-yogurt-boom

Research & Policy Brief / Issue 62 / October 2014
Cornell Farmworker Program logo
By Mary Jo Dudley, Cornell University
What is the Issue?

While there has been a great deal of discussion about how New York State (NYS) can take advantage of the yogurt boom, little attention has been paid to ensuring the labor supply required to support an increased demand for milk. There are many factors that contribute to whether dairy farmers and NYS can capitalize on increased yogurt demand, but issues related to labor availability, reliability, and quality are paramount. If these issues are not adequately addressed, NYS may lose opportunities to grow their dairy industry, which would further contribute to broader economic development.

In order to meet current labor demands, immigrant labor is critical to NYS agriculture, but the current impasse on federal immigration reform presents obstacles to increasing the labor force on dairy farms. A study by the National Milk Producers Federation (NMPF) estimates that 50% of U.S. farms, which supply over 60% of the nation’s milk, use immigrant labor. It is estimated that 41% of overall dairy labor is foreign born, the majority coming from Mexico [14]. Evidence from the American Farm Bureau suggests the number of immigrant laborers may be even higher [15].

However, barriers to immigration such as increased border enforcement along both the northern and southern U.S. borders, coupled with increased economic opportunities in Mexico, have resulted in fewer Mexicans immigrating to the U.S., a situation that causes great concern to dairy producers across the U.S. National trends indicate that Mexican migration has dropped considerably. In 2011, immigration from Mexico was half the rate of 1991 levels

These trends have led to a decline in the dairy farm labor pool. Moreover, dairy farmers fear the labor crisis will deepen if legislation requiring E-verify and other “enforcement only” programs go into effect [16]. The current and potential labor shortages become increasingly important as the state looks to dairy farms to increase milk production. Farm Credit East, a financial institution that works with farms across the Northeast, published a report in August of 2011 that summarizes the importance of immigrant workers to the agriculture industry in NYS. Some points from the report include:

1,049 New York Farms are highly vulnerable to going out of business or being severely forced to cut back their operations due to a labor shortage caused by an aggressive enforcement only immigration policy.
10,510 full-time, year-round positions could be eliminated.
23,685 off-farm jobs in agriculture related businesses throughout the state could be impacted [17].

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#1506175 --- 10/07/17 03:10 AM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: kyle585]
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This is the only reason that I know that Trump speaks so highly of dictator Putin.

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It also alleges that the Russian government has incriminating information on the president that could make him susceptible to blackmail. Notably, it claims that Russia possesses a videotape featuring Trump getting prostitutes to urinate on a bed in a Moscow hotel room in which former President Barack Obama once stayed with first lady Michelle Obama. The allegation has earned the findings the nickname “the pee tape dossier,” or the “golden shower dossier.”
bump

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#1506200 --- 10/07/17 09:28 PM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: kyle585]
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OH BOY! More garbage!

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#1506206 --- 10/08/17 01:49 AM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: gassy one]
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From Newsweek Magazine.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-trump-russia-dossier-120002477.html

What's in the Trump-Russia Dossier?
Newsweek Jason Le Miere,Newsweek 18 hours ago

What’s in the Dossier?

The 35-page dossier is a collection of memos concerning Russia’s attempts to interfere in the 2016 election and claims that the country has been supporting Trump for at least five years. While it notes that Trump had rejected several Russian business deals proposed in order to curry favor with the then-presidential candidate, it says his campaign did accept information on his opponents. More specifically, it alleges contact between Russian officials and a member of the Trump campaign, notably that Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen helped facilitate the arrangements.

What caught most people’s eyes when the dossier was published by Buzzfeed News in January, though, were the more salacious allegations. Although Steele’s findings assert that Russia attempted to collect compromising material on both Trump and his 2016 opponent Hillary Clinton, the Kremlin is said to have been far more successful in its attempts regarding the Republican candidate. Indeed, the dossier claims that the Russian FSB spy agency possesses a video of Trump successfully requesting prostitutes to urinate on a bed while staying in a Moscow hotel room once occupied by the former president and first lady, Barack and Michelle Obama.

Is it True?

There have certainly been plenty of vehement denials. Trump has on multiple occasions ridiculed both the dossier’s findings and its author, who the president called a “failed spy.” Cohen sent a letter to Congress in August strongly denying the allegations made against him, although he did not mention the personal claims made against the president. And this week three Russians named in the dossier filed a lawsuit in Washington claiming their reputations had been ruined by the claims.

But there is growing evidence that investigators are taking the dossier far more seriously than was initially believed. Although the particular claim that saw the report nicknamed the “golden shower," or “pee tape,” dossier has not been verified, the intelligence community has corroborated the broad assertion about Russia’s attempts to interfere in the election, CNN has reported. Officials have also agreed that the communication between non-Americans contained in the report did in fact take place. What Trump has called “fake news” would appear to be, at least in part, far more real.


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#1506236 --- 10/08/17 04:34 PM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/08/politics/trump-corker-attack/index.html

Donald Trump is playing zero-dimensional chess


Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large

Updated 3:03 PM ET, Sun October 8, 2017

On Sunday morning, President Donald Trump decided to go after Bob Corker.

"Senator Bob Corker 'begged' me to endorse him for re-election in Tennessee," Trump tweeted. "I said NO" and he dropped out (said he could not win without my endorsement). He also wanted to be Secretary of State, I said 'NO THANKS.' He is also largely responsible for the horrendous Iran Deal!"
Trump didn't leave it there. "Hence, I would fully expect Corker to be a negative voice and stand in the way of our great agenda," he added. "Didn't have the guts to run!"

Trump's comments come days after Corker cast him as an agent of chaos and suggested that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson wasn't receiving enough support from Trump. And they illuminate two fundamental principles about Trump.

The first, which anyone paying attention already knows, is that Trump bends truth -- and often breaks it -- to fit his purposes.

It turns out that Corker didn't beg for Trump's endorsement or make his re-election bid contingent on being endorsed by the president. Quite the opposite, according to two sources who spoke with CNN's Manu Raju Sunday.

"The President called the senator early last week and asked him to reconsider his decision not to seek re-election and reaffirmed that he would have endorsed him, as he has said many times," one source told Raju.

The second thing this Corker episode makes clear is that, strategically speaking, Trump is playing zero-dimensional chess. As in, the only strategy is that there is no strategy.
In the wake of Trump's absolutely stunning 2016 victory, the conventional wisdom -- in political circles -- was that Trump was a strategic genius, always seeing five moves ahead. He was playing three-dimensional chess while the media was still trying to figure out which way pawns could move. The reason no one thought Trump could win was because "we" didn't see the whole board the way he did. No one else saw it that way. Trump was a genius. An unconventional genius but a genius nonetheless.

Every after-action report of the 2016 campaign has put the lie to that idea. Trump and his team didn't think they were going to win. Many of them thought they were going to be blown out. The idea that Trump was executing some sort of master plan and always knew he was going to shock the world just isn't born out.

Still, when Trump took over the White House the prevailing wisdom was that he had outwitted and outsmarted Democrats. (Lots of Democrats believed that -- as much as they hated to admit it.) But, with each passing day, week and month, it becomes more and more undeniable that Trump has no master plan and is no master strategist. His only guiding principle is his own personal vendettas.

Take the Corker attack as yet another example of Trump's lack of strategic vision. Yes, Corker is retiring in 2018. But, that means the Tennessee Republican will still be in the Senate for another year. Which means that Corker's vote -- on, say, tax reform -- is something Trump is going to need. (When you only have 52 Republican senators, you have very little margin for error and you need to do everything you can to keep those members happy.)

Why attack Corker then -- and risk making him mad? (And, Corker was mad; "It's a shame the White House has become an adult day care center. Someone obviously missed their shift this morning," he tweeted in response to Trump's tweets Sunday morning.)

Aside from Corker's one vote on tax reform -- or anything else Trump wants to get done in his first two years in office -- Corker is widely regarded in Washington as a serious person, well respected by his colleagues. Corker is also a conservative; this is no John McCain (Ariz.) or Susan Collins (Maine) that Trump is swatting at.

Corker's colleagues -- most notably Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn -- will watch what Trump has done this morning and wonder whether there's any point at all in trusting the President or trying to find common ground. Never forget that the Senate is an extremely clubby institution; they do not look kindly on attacks on their own.

So, why, given all of the downsides, did Trump spend his morning savaging Corker? Simple. Because Corker said something he didn't like, something that called into question the idea of Trump as the all-knowing, always-right figure that he sees in his mind's eye.

Hitting everyone who hits you, of course, isn't a strategy. It's a tactic. And, not a very good one at that.
Based on all of the evidence of Trump's first nine months in office, it's impossible to conclude that he has any sort of comprehensive strategy or theory of the case. He acts (or reacts) and sees what happens. There's no bigger plan that we're not privy to. There's really no plan at all.

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#1506255 --- 10/08/17 09:04 PM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: kyle585]
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BLAH BLAH BLAH! I think we should change your name to garbageman Kyle!

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#1506266 --- 10/09/17 02:58 AM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
BLAH BLAH BLAH! I think we should change your name to garbageman Kyle!
That would be much like a pile of gas.

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#1506294 --- 10/09/17 06:40 PM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/09/politics/bob-corker-donald-trump-fued/index.html

Sen. Bob Corker's willingness to repeatedly drop a verbal hammer on President Donald Trump's fitness for office isn't a strategy likely to spread -- or be appreciated -- by his colleagues on Capitol Hill, several senior Republican aides and outside advisers told CNN.

But that doesn't mean he isn't echoing what many of his fellow Republicans have privately conveyed to colleagues, aides and donors in recent months.

Nearly a dozen aides and outside advisers who spoke to CNN acknowledged that Corker's criticisms rang true, even if airing them publicly created new hurdles for an already complicated legislative calendar.

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#1506309 --- 10/09/17 08:29 PM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: kyle585]
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Corker's a loser! Not even running for re-election!

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#1506321 --- 10/10/17 01:26 AM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Corker's a loser! Not even running for re-election!
Most people think our elected officials stay in office far too long. That is said over and over again. Trump wanted to drain the swamp remember? But if an elected official doesn't run again suddenly he is a loser? You can't have it both ways.

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#1506324 --- 10/10/17 01:51 AM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-grassley-calls-trump-corker-cool-221855979.html

Sen. Bob Corker is hardly the only Republican lawmaker raising dark concerns about harm President Donald Trump might cause the U.S. and the world. But he's one of the few willing to air those worries in public.

Most GOP senators were silent Monday, a day after Corker charged that the White House was an "adult day care" and Trump could set the nation "on the path to World War III."

Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley says both Trump and Corker should "cool it."

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#1506330 --- 10/10/17 08:22 AM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: kyle585]
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Corker just running his mouth because he is a quitter! Not running for re-election!

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#1506333 --- 10/10/17 08:59 AM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Corker's a loser! Not even running for re-election!
Most people think our elected officials stay in office far too long. That is said over and over again. Trump wanted to drain the swamp remember? But if an elected official doesn't run again suddenly he is a loser? You can't have it both ways.
Gassy I posted this asking you to tell me which way it is. But you keep posting nonsense

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#1506346 --- 10/10/17 11:40 AM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: kyle585]
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Just more garbage Kyle!

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#1506356 --- 10/10/17 12:40 PM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Corker's a loser! Not even running for re-election!
Most people think our elected officials stay in office far too long. That is said over and over again. Trump wanted to drain the swamp remember? But if an elected official doesn't run again suddenly he is a loser? You can't have it both ways.
This is a perfectly reasonable question. Gassy's inability to answer it shows he is just a pathetic ---- well I won't say.

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#1506378 --- 10/10/17 07:55 PM Re: Trumpites: "You bought it." [Re: kyle585]
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They hang on forever! They don't quit!

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