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#1497172 --- 03/30/17 07:14 PM Trump Admin. Implodes
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BREAKING - Michael Flynn Asks For Immunity In Exchange For Testifying On Trump’s Russia Ties:

Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who briefly served as national security adviser to President Donald Trump, is seeking immunity from prosecution in exchange for testifying on the president’s ties to Russia, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.

According to the report, Flynn made the offer to the FBI, the House intelligence committee and the Senate intelligence committee. All three entities are currently investigating whether Trump’s associates had contact with Russian officials during the 2016 presidential campaign. According to the Wall Street Journal, none of them have yet accepted Flynn’s offer.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-flynn-offers-to-testify-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959
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#1497173 --- 03/30/17 07:56 PM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: Timbo]
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One more example of the blatant hypocrisy coming from the GOP, remember Flynn's speech at the Republican National Convention when he incited the crowd to scream "Lock her up"? All the time, he was committing crimes worthy of major incarceration.
Do you think that Flynn's move will start an precedent in regard to other Trump surrogates getting nervous and they too will step forward? Based on the findings of that last week, this whole debacle will be equal closely to Watergate.

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#1497174 --- 03/30/17 08:31 PM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
One more example of the blatant hypocrisy coming from the GOP, remember Flynn's speech at the Republican National Convention when he incited the crowd to scream "Lock her up"? All the time, he was committing crimes worthy of major incarceration.
Do you think that Flynn's move will start an precedent in regard to other Trump surrogates getting nervous and they too will step forward? Based on the findings of that last week, this whole debacle will be equal closely to Watergate.

On an order of magnitude WORSE. You can bank on it.
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#1497175 --- 03/30/17 11:17 PM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: Timbo]
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According to the Wall Street Journal, Flynn’s offer has not been accepted:

According to the Wall Street Journal, none of them have yet accepted Flynn’s offer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mich...kushpmg00000009
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#1497176 --- 03/31/17 01:26 AM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: Timbo]
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George Takei‏Verified account @GeorgeTakei 5h5 hours ago

Flynn hopes to win the Immunity Challenge, but in "Survivor: White House" America gets to vote all those bastards off the island.
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#1497177 --- 03/31/17 06:56 AM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: kyle585]
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Trump tweeted this morning that he thinks Flynn should plead for immunity due to "This witch hunt" One is reminded of parents deeming their child a prodigy but in reality the poor kid falls well below even that of a normal progressing child. It's must be disconcerting and embarrassing to attempt to make every teacher and educator liars now that YOUR kid can't make the grade, all which we're witnessing, Trump is and was a bad choice as a candidate but surrogates can not accept the reality, the kid is mentally unstable and has unacceptable grades.

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#1497179 --- 03/31/17 07:22 AM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: kyle585]
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Report: Former White House National Security Advisor Michael Flynn Agrees to Testify for Immunity
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President Donald Trump’s former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn has agreed to testify on the President’s ties with Russia in exchange for immunity, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday evening, citing unnamed officials with knowledge of the matter.

Flynn offered his testimony to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the House and Senate Intelligence Committees but has no takers, according to the Journal.

Flynn resigned in February after controversy arose over his failure to disclose phone communications with Russia’s ambassador about U.S. sanctions on Moscow.

Update: Flynn's lawyer, Robert Kelner said in a statement that “General Flynn certainly has a story to tell, and he very much wants to tell it, should the circumstances permit.”

“Notwithstanding his life of national service, the media are awash with unfounded allegations, outrageous claims of treason, and vicious innuendo directed against him. He is now the target of unsubstantiated public demands by Members of Congress and other political critics that he be criminally investigated,” Kelner added.

“No reasonable person, who has the benefit of advice from counsel, would submit to questioning in such a highly politicized, witch hunt environment without assurances against unfair prosecution," he said.

Update: A Spokesman for the House Intelligence Committee disputes the report, telling the Guardian that no such offer was made. The statement allegedly from Flynn’s lawyer has not been verified.

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#1497181 --- 03/31/17 07:39 AM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: cwjga]
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Flynn request immunity but will it be granted? You don't know, it's been known from past incidents that the request is based on the type of information the person has to offer. Why should he be granted immunity, only to offer what the Intel already know? Bottom line, Flynn knows that the Feds have to goods on him and he's willing to take others down with him. So it's in his best interest to forth right and honest or there will be Hell to pay not only himself but everyone starting with Donald J. Trump. Truth is, the bottom is falling out and this entire debacle will create one of the biggest scandal since the Nixon administration. Of course you know that, which is the reason, you're embarrassed, rightfully so.

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#1497182 --- 03/31/17 07:58 AM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: Formermac]
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ROTFLMAO, when the time come, "fake news" will result in "real" criminal charges. Funny cwjga, how the narrative changed only in several months when Clinton wasn't given the benefit of the doubt but by your own words, guilty as charged, now distinguish the difference? This whole entire debacle is refreshing, revealing as well as the fact the Conservatives have proven themselves nothing more then lying hypocrites who attempt to establish two sets of standards. grin

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#1497188 --- 03/31/17 08:30 AM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: Timbo]
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Rather than take the word of the media spin machines why not read the actual statement yourselves. He's not asking for immunity, he's asking for "assurances against unfair prosecution."

https://www.infowars.com/read-flynns-ful...out-of-context/

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#1497190 --- 03/31/17 08:37 AM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: luckyduck]
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He's asking for immunity. The spin machine is entirely a falsehood Trump surrogates created to deflect from the truth and in this case, truth will place him (Flynn) in harm's way, thus the reason he needs assurance that he will not be prosecuted when he tells the truth.

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#1497200 --- 03/31/17 09:34 AM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: Formermac]
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Flat out wrong - he's asking for assurances against UNFAIR (or politically motivated) prosecution. Immunity would imply protection against ALL prosecutions.

I would think that even the Dems could attempt to be fair if they really want to know the whole story.


Edited by luckyduck (03/31/17 09:35 AM)

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#1497201 --- 03/31/17 09:41 AM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: luckyduck]
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A matter of how you look at it and in this case, why would he voluntarily testify if he receives only unfair treatment, why not just spare himself the frustration? He lied and committed a criminal act, thus the reason for the immunity request. Nice try wink

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#1497202 --- 03/31/17 09:51 AM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: Formermac]
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He committed no criminal act. Speaking to Russian officials as incoming NSA chief is not illegal. If it was then many administrations before this should have been charged. He lost his job because he wasn't completely honest with Pence, which is also not illegal.

The story I would really like to hear is that of John Podesta's company receiving $35 million from RUSNANO while serving as advisor to Hillary's state department. How easily the Clinton's get away with sweeping their dirt under the rug, but then I guess it's not an issue when all of mainstream media and most establishment politicians actively work to protect you. Possibly if they can keep the heat on the fake Trump-Russian story no one will notice the other Russian news being reported on real news sites.

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#1497203 --- 03/31/17 09:59 AM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: luckyduck]
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You don't know what he did or did not do, unless you're Flynn or God himself. Now lets follow your logic, Flynn voluntarily makes himself the sacrificial lamb for who and what purpose? he request that when he comes to them "Please be kind to me and not make an disastrous mockery of my reputation or treat me harshly" ROTFLMAO, How about this scenario, if Flynn is subpoenaed, his only recourse would be what?
Again, nice try!!!!

Sounds to me that if he'll just keep his mouth shut, every thing will work out in his favor, no admittance of guilt in any form whatsoever.

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#1497204 --- 03/31/17 10:16 AM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: luckyduck]
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Ever hear of the perfect crime? I haven't but many criminals have returned to the crime scene or the crime haunts them to the point of sleepless nights and insurmountable guilt. Now tell us, why would any FOOL place him/her self in this type of mental anguish just to be user friendly toward the judicial system? What does Flynn garner for volunteering his services? Bottom line Lucky, usually when a crime is committed, common sense, guilt and logic has a way of coming to the forefront and overshadows lies and deceit.

I have a Son who has made me and his Mother very proud by educating himself, taken over the family business etc. When he when through the youthful indiscretion age, we told him not to hang around certain kids because they weren't properly taught in the area of ethics and honesty and how he would make for an poor excuse for a criminal because he had nightmares and have a obvious look of guilt for days. In Trump's and Flynn's case, they're pathological liars and have learn to live with themmselves, sadly what type of individuals protects and support liars and straight faced justify the unethical acts?

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#1497205 --- 03/31/17 10:56 AM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: Formermac]
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/jason-chaffetz-michael-flynn-immunity-donald-trump-236749

President Donald Trump shouldn’t talk about whether former national security adviser Michael Flynn should be granted immunity, a top House Republican advised Friday.

The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday evening that Flynn has informed the FBI and House and Senate Intelligence Committees – which are investigating Russia’s alleged meddling in the U.S. presidential election – that he will agree to be interviewed if granted immunity from prosecution. Flynn was asked to resign last month after misleading Vice President Mike Pence and others about his conversations with the Russian ambassador to the U.S. during the transition.

Trump tweeted Friday morning that “Flynn should ask for immunity in that this is a witch hunt (excuse for big election loss), by media & Dems, of historic proportion!”

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) told Fox News he disagrees with the president’s characterization of the Russia investigation, as well as the commander in chief’s decision to comment on it.

“No, I don’t think it’s a witch hunt,” Chaffetz said. “Look, it’s very mysterious to me, though, why all of a sudden General Flynn is suddenly out there saying he wants immunity. A, I don’t think Congress should give him immunity. If there’s an open investigation by the FBI, that should not happen. I also don’t believe that actually that the president should be weighing in on this. They’re the ones that actually would prosecute something.”

Chaffetz suggested he was being just as critical of Trump as he was of former President Barack Obama, specifically, he said, when Obama commented on the IRS targeting scandal before he had all the facts.

“And I don’t think Donald Trump should be weighing in on this at this point,” he said. “But I don’t think there should be given immunity, either. I mean, immunity from what? We don’t know what that is.”
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Flynn’s past comments about immunity resurfaced soon after the Wall Street Journal report. The former Trump campaign adviser said in a September “Meet the Press” interview with host Chuck Todd, “When you are given immunity, that means you have probably committed a crime.”

Asked if Flynn’s request for immunity indicated that he may be guilty of something, Chaffetz conceded that “it doesn’t look good.”

“If all of a sudden you have somebody stand up and say, ‘Hey, I need immunity,’ you know, it kinda raises your eyebrows,” he said. “Even General Flynn back in the day said and used that same thing against Hillary Clinton. So, you know, it comes around to bite you, and I just think they need to get to the facts.”


“There are some swirling things that need to be answered,” he added.

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#1497206 --- 03/31/17 11:21 AM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: luckyduck]
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Originally Posted By: luckyduck
Rather than take the word of the media spin machines why not read the actual statement yourselves. He's not asking for immunity, he's asking for "assurances against unfair prosecution."

https://www.infowars.com/read-flynns-ful...out-of-context/

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/trump-infowars-alex-jones-clinton-conspiracy-theories

The phrase was popularized by Infowars.com, the conspiracy theory site run by the radio host Alex Jones. Jones' online store started selling "Hillary for Prison" T-shirts in the fall of 2015, alongside other merch calling 9/11 "an inside job" or warning about fluoridation. But its revival as a catchphrase of the Republican candidate was fitting. Never before has a presidential campaign, from its paranoid messaging to its white nationalist backers, been rooted so deeply in the fever swamps of the right-wing psyche.

One of the most popular items at this year's Republican National Convention was a navy blue T-shirt that at first glance looked terribly out of place. "Hillary," it read in large letters. Beneath was the punchline: "for Prison." You could find the slogan everywhere—on stickers, signs, and buttons, on a banner towed by an airplane over Cleveland, on the lips of convention speakers such as Patricia Smith, whose son was killed in Benghazi. "Hillary for Prison" quickly became a rallying cry synonymous with Donald Trump's presidential campaign—but it did not originate with the Republican nominee.

The phrase was popularized by Infowars.com, the conspiracy theory site run by the radio host Alex Jones. Jones' online store started selling "Hillary for Prison" T-shirts in the fall of 2015, alongside other merch calling 9/11 "an inside job" or warning about fluoridation. But its revival as a catchphrase of the Republican candidate was fitting. Never before has a presidential campaign, from its paranoid messaging to its white nationalist backers, been rooted so deeply in the fever swamps of the right-wing psyche.
"Hillary for Prison": From T-shirt slogan to GOP rallying cry Patrick Fallon/Zuma Press

Consider Trump's inner circle: Campaign CEO Stephen Bannon is on leave from Breitbart News, the conservative site he helped turn into a one-stop destination for breathlessly reported stories like "Muslim Prayer Rug Found on Arizona Border" (on closer inspection, the "rug" was probably a track jacket). Trump's deputy campaign manager, David Bossie, a peddler of many of the wildest Clinton conspiracy theories of the 1990s, once made a documentary alleging that Hillary Clinton had murdered a critic's cat. Trump adviser Roger Stone, a former Nixon campaign aide and political dirty trickster, wrote a book claiming that Chelsea Clinton got four plastic surgeries to mask the identity of her real father.

Populist movements have long flirted with what political theorist Richard Hofstadter, writing about Barry Goldwater in 1964, called the "paranoid style in American politics"—the penchant for framing opponents as the tools of a powerful but shadowy fifth column. But Trump has embraced and normalized the political fringe in unprecedented ways—and that could have far-reaching effects.
"It is surreal to talk about issues here on air, and then word-for-word hear Trump say it," Alex Jones confessed.

That Trump would devote much of the substance of his campaign to wild claims and ominous innuendo is not surprising: This is what first made him a conservative star. Five years ago, Trump embarked on a national press tour to question the legitimacy of President Barack Obama's birth certificate. Obama, Trump suggested, was actually a Kenyan-born impostor named "Barry Soweto." Establishment Republicans may have snickered, but Trump's strategy was an unmitigated success. A CNN poll showed that his support among likely GOP voters nearly doubled once he started talking about the birth certificate. He became a regular guest on Fox & Friends, a sought-after speaker at conservative dinners, and a campaign prop for Mitt Romney, who flew to Las Vegas to accept Trump's endorsement. In just a few months, Trump showed how intoxicatingly viral the netherworld of conspiracies could be. (Even when he finally conceded that Obama was born in the United States, he claimed the birther rumors originated with Clinton.)

From the day he kicked off his 2016 presidential campaign, an air of paranoia has infused almost everything Trump has said or done. He demanded a border wall on the grounds that Mexico was sending killers and rapists into the country, boosting his claims with an Infowars video he'd seen on the Drudge Report. He promised to "bomb the shit out of" ISIS, while insinuating that the current commander in chief harbored sympathies for the terrorist group ("There's something going on"). After Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia died in his sleep, Trump fanned theories of an assassination. He trumpeted a National Enquirer story suggesting that Ted Cruz's dad was involved in the Kennedy assassination (even though Stone had written a best-selling book fingering Lyndon B. Johnson).

Trump has floated so many conspiracy theories that he's developed his own rhetorical flourish to reinforce them. "A lot of people are saying that bad things are happening out there," he said about the possibility of Islamist training camps on American soil. "A lot of people are very skeptical as to what happened and how he died," he remarked about former White House deputy counsel Vince Foster, whose 1993 suicide spawned countless conspiracy theories and a quixotic congressional probe. (As the Art of the Deal author is probably aware, pushing a position by neutrally introducing it as the opinion of others is Negotiation 101.)

Nowhere is Trump's embrace of oddball ideas and cranks more evident than his courtship of Jones, a 42-year-old Texan who built a lucrative media empire by hawking anti-radiation tablets and fulminating about "false flag" operations and the globalist cabal. It was previously unthinkable for a major-party nominee to appear on Jones' show (broadcast from "FEMA Region 6"), but Trump is an exception. Stone has appeared regularly on Jones' daily program, and the two were inseparable at the GOP convention, where they co-hosted a pro-Trump rally. Campaign aides and Donald Trump Jr. have promoted Infowars stories on social media. And Trump himself, who phoned into Jones' show last December for a friendly chat, has welcomed the host's support and parroted his message to a degree that has shocked even Jones. "It is surreal to talk about issues here on air, and then word-for-word hear Trump say it two days later," Jones confessed on the air in early August.

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#1497207 --- 03/31/17 12:02 PM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/opinions/flynn-immunity-callan-opinion/index.html

Ordinarily, there is nothing unusual about a defense lawyer seeking an immunity deal in exchange for his client's cooperation.

When, however, the client is the former national security adviser to the US president, the situation is highly unusual. He stands next to the president with a duty to safeguard the nation and its secrets. If he seeks immunity to tell the truth, the country has the right to know why.

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#1497209 --- 03/31/17 12:24 PM Re: Trump Admin. Implodes [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Flynn requests immunity, but will it be granted? You don't know, it's been known from past incidents that the request is based on the type of information the person has to offer. Why should he be granted immunity, only to offer what the Intel already know? Bottom line, Flynn knows that the Feds have to goods on him and he's willing to take others down with him. So it's in his best interest to forth right and honest or there will be Hell to pay not only himself but everyone starting with Donald J. Trump. Truth is, the bottom is falling out and this entire debacle will create one of the biggest scandal since the Nixon administration. Of course you know that, which is the reason, you're embarrassed, rightfully so.

Senate Intelligence Community Shoots Down Immunity:

WASHINGTON ― Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, once one of President Donald Trump’s strongest supporters and then his national security adviser, is scrambling to save himself from prosecution in exchange for telling Congress what he knows about Russia’s involvement in the 2016 elections. And to do so, he has hired a lawyer who has been a vocal opponent of Trump.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mich...kushpmg00000009
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