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#1495903 --- 02/28/17 07:50 AM Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler
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IN AMERICA: It usually starts small

Mr. Trump complaining that the news he doesn’t like must be slanted started out slowly.

A comment here and a comment there. Just a touch of complaining at the beginning of his campaign.

(Some may even have cheered this practice. I mean, really, who hasn’t wanted to tell someone off when they say something you don’t want to hear?)

And as the campaign went on he started to complain a bit more. And then a bit more.

And now that he’s the President he complains almost constantly. So much so that it’s now normal to have him make the most utterly outrageous statements concerning the media and we all just sit by and let him rant...

I wrote this column with a great deal of understanding of how a dictatorship starts. My mom grew up and lived through Hitler’s Nazi Germany, and as a child I heard stories that you didn’t read in our history books. I sat at the dinner table after we had eaten and Mom would talk about the Nazi party members intimidating anyone that didn’t agree with them ... how my grandfather was accosted over and over for not spouting the party doctrine that was broadcast over the airwaves. And how the news media was your enemy.

By PETE MITCHELL

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#1495905 --- 02/28/17 08:30 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: newsman38]
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That is an excellent article.

How nations get dictators. First they get elected. Then they start complaining about the press. Members of the press either end up in jail or disappear. Soon the press is afraid to print anything except good news about him. Now the public either believes the press or are too afraid to say anything bad about him. When it is time for the next election the leader comes up with some reason to cancel the election. And bingo you have a dictator. Trump is well on his way. I get more afraid for the future of America every day.

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#1495909 --- 02/28/17 09:23 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: newsman38]
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He's got a point.

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#1495923 --- 02/28/17 11:50 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: newsman38]
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I love that man.

(Pete, not Hitler.)
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#1495946 --- 02/28/17 07:17 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: kyle585]
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Well if you would have read Sundays op-ed you would have learned that Thomas Jefferson said the same thing about the press in 1807. How do you explain the fact that the press and other media say the same thing about each other ? The best way to get a dictatorship is to disarm the public, and it's the Democrats who are trying to do that. grin


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#1495949 --- 02/28/17 07:24 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: newsman38]
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Hey Pete, do you ever read the paper, other than your own stuff ? The paper you write for TWISTS EVERYTHING. IT'S SO BAD MOST PEOPLE DON'T READ IT !!!
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#1495950 --- 02/28/17 07:34 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Prepared to "take aim" at those now in power, laying the groundwork for a fascist totalitarian state?

As I'm sure you're aware chuck, first rule of engagement - know your enemy.
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#1495951 --- 02/28/17 07:40 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Teonan]
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https://humorinamerica.wordpress.com/2014/05/19/the-morphology-of-a-humorous-phrase/

It is not those in power who want a fascist state, it is the left.


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#1495953 --- 02/28/17 08:37 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: scwoodchuck]
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You must "...sure play a mean pinball" chuck.
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#1495956 --- 03/01/17 05:12 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Teonan]
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#1495959 --- 03/01/17 06:32 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Did ya miss the memo chuck? Hell's gatekeeper occupies the Oval Office. "Christian" fascists have his ear. You've got some serious catching up to do man.

With eyesight like that you'd best stick to playin' "...mean pinball." Chances are your own foot would be first to go defending the Republic.
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#1495960 --- 03/01/17 08:01 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Teonan]
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Can't win the argument, so you talk _______
laugh
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#1495961 --- 03/01/17 08:25 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Can't win the argument, so you talk _______
laugh

LOL.

Pivoted to a quick tapout there chuck. Someone steal your Lucky Charms? wink
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#1496129 --- 03/03/17 11:53 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan


You must "...sure play a mean pinball" chuck.
wink

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#1496149 --- 03/04/17 08:18 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
That is an excellent article.

How nations get dictators. First they get elected. Then they start complaining about the press. Members of the press either end up in jail or disappear. Soon the press is afraid to print anything except good news about him. Now the public either believes the press or are too afraid to say anything bad about him. When it is time for the next election the leader comes up with some reason to cancel the election. And bingo you have a dictator. Trump is well on his way. I get more afraid for the future of America every day.



He did nail the left right on the head. Of course Pete is the same guy that wrote an editorial complaining that the taxpayers of the school district were not paying for his health insurance even though he was living with a teacher.
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#1496160 --- 03/04/17 11:44 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: cwjga]
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Of course Pete is the same guy that wrote an editorial complaining that the taxpayers of the school district were not paying for his health insurance even though he was living with a teacher.


did pete sign up for obamacare?
does pete give his employees healthcare coverage?
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#1496163 --- 03/04/17 01:45 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: bluezone]
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Of course Pete is the same guy that wrote an editorial complaining that the taxpayers of the school district were not paying for his health insurance even though he was living with a teacher.


did pete sign up for obamacare?
does pete give his employees healthcare coverage?


Don't know, not sure if he has written about that. Do no the school district (taxpayers) was not required to cover him because NY does not recognize common law marriage.

Of course, now (under King Andy) the taxpayers are required to pay for coverage of live in same sex couples, married or not. Ironic isn't it.
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#1496348 --- 03/08/17 08:28 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: cwjga
Of course Pete is the same guy that wrote an editorial complaining that the taxpayers of the school district were not paying for his health insurance even though he was living with a teacher.


did pete sign up for obamacare?
does pete give his employees healthcare coverage?


Don't know, not sure if he has written about that. Do no the school district (taxpayers) was not required to cover him because NY does not recognize common law marriage.


one would think that a 'successful' business owner would not only pay for his own healthcare but also his employees healthcare

wonder if he reduced the number of his employees so he would not have to cover his employees under obamacare?

Originally Posted By: cwjga
Of course, now (under King Andy) the taxpayers are required to pay for coverage of live in same sex couples, married or not. Ironic isn't it.


NYS pays the most for education and ranks at the bottom

remember it is all about the students 'teachers' and their over generous benefits
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#1496511 --- 03/11/17 08:34 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: newsman38]
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So Pete Mitchell complains about Trump and his opinion on the media while at the same time Mitchell is in the media giving his biased opinions on matters that go against what he believes. Mitchell is just another hypocritical liberal sore loser.
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#1496512 --- 03/11/17 08:43 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone


one would think that a 'successful' business owner would not only pay for his own healthcare but also his employees healthcare

wonder if he reduced the number of his employees so he would not have to cover his employees under obamacare?



Pete being a typical liberal I doubt he pays for any health insurance for his employees.

We eat at Eddie O'Brien's anyways. Better food. Better service. No Pete Mitchell.
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#1496526 --- 03/11/17 10:58 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: newsman38]
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#1496541 --- 03/12/17 03:30 PM Re: Parker's Owner: [Re: The Mechanic]
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Of course Pete is the same guy that wrote an editorial complaining that the taxpayers of the school district were not paying for his health insurance even though he was living with a teacher


Originally Posted By: The Mechanic
Pete being a typical liberal I doubt he pays for any health insurance for his employees.


then pete should not expect the taxpayers to pay for his healthcare...
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#1496665 --- 03/16/17 01:26 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Hey Pete, do you ever read the paper, other than your own stuff ? The paper you write for TWISTS EVERYTHING. IT'S SO BAD MOST PEOPLE DON'T READ IT !!!

Brilliant... since MOST people don't live in the Finger Lakes region. grin
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#1496667 --- 03/16/17 01:37 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: The Mechanic]
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So Pete Mitchell complains about Trump and his opinion on the media while at the same time Mitchell is in the media giving his biased opinions on matters that go against what he believes. Mitchell is just another hypocritical liberal sore loser.

They're NOT biases. They are facts. Well-documented historical facts that undeniably bare an uncanny resemblance to the events of today, in a multitude of respects.

"Hypocrisy" is when you accuse someone of biases while blatantly exhibiting your own. More so when you obviously can't be bothered to inform yourself on the historical record of the origins of European fascism in the 20th Century.
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Read a history book, for God's sake.
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#1496811 --- 03/20/17 11:25 AM Re: Parker's Owner: [Re: The Mechanic]
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Pete being a typical liberal I doubt he pays for any health insurance for his employees.


if one owns a nearly $700,000 lakefront home are they in a position to complain that taxpayers are not paying for their healthcare?

move to a $100,000 home and use the money from the sale of the more expensive home (about $600,000) and the savings on property/school taxes to pay for their own healthcare
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#1496861 --- 03/20/17 08:10 PM Re: Parker's Owner: [Re: newsman38]
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My favorite Pete Mitchell hypocrisy moment came when he railed agains the new casino because we shouldn't encourage businesses that cater to people's addictions.

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#1496863 --- 03/20/17 09:43 PM Re: Parker's Owner: [Re: Blue_man]
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A patently false equivalence.
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#1496872 --- 03/21/17 10:51 AM Re: Parker's Owner: [Re: Blue_man]
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My favorite Pete Mitchell hypocrisy moment came when he railed agains the new casino because we shouldn't encourage businesses that cater to people's addictions.


wonder if he stopped applying for liquor licenses for his establishments whistle
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#1496886 --- 03/21/17 12:40 PM Re: Parker's Owner: [Re: bluezone]
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STILL a patently false equivalence.
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#1496893 --- 03/21/17 03:00 PM Re: Parker's Owner: [Re: newsman38]
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I zee zumone bought "der big book of logical fallacies" but never getz past der table of contents.

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#1496901 --- 03/21/17 04:24 PM Re: Parker's Owner: [Re: Triumph the Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Triumph the Dog
I zee zumone bought "der big book of logical fallacies" but never getz past der table of contents.

Coming from someone who's never contributed a single salient point in their entire forum narrative, It's likely that no one would know better than you.

On the other hand, anyone familiar with the term, need look no further than it's definition and the original fallacy referred to. Unless of course, you need it explained to you.

Sorry, Triumph... defeated, again.
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#1496923 --- 03/22/17 09:30 AM Re: Parker's Owner: [Re: Timbo]
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STILL a patently false equivalence.


so alcoholism is not a form of addiction?
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#1496924 --- 03/22/17 11:05 AM Re: Parker's Owner: [Re: bluezone]
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STILL a patently false equivalence.

so alcoholism is not a form of addiction?

Mice and a whales are both mammals. Equating the two is beyond absurd.
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#1496938 --- 03/23/17 07:45 AM Re: Parker's Owner: [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo

STILL a patently false equivalence.

so alcoholism is not a form of addiction?

Mice and a whales are both mammals. Equating the two is beyond absurd.

Good point. Alcoholism is actually a worse addiction. So he's an even bigger hypocrite than first appears.

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#1496941 --- 03/23/17 08:26 AM Re: Parker's Owner: [Re: Timbo]
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Mice and a whales are both mammals. Equating the two is beyond absurd.


alcoholism and gambling are not forms of addiction?
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#1496951 --- 03/23/17 12:45 PM Re: Parker's Owner: [Re: Blue_man]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

STILL a patently false equivalence.

so alcoholism is not a form of addiction?

Mice and a whales are both mammals. Equating the two is beyond absurd.

Good point. Alcoholism is actually a worse addiction. So he's an even bigger hypocrite than first appears.

Respectfully, neither is true.

It depends on the individual on a case-by-case basis. Also on how its effects are quantified.
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#1496972 --- 03/24/17 03:10 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Well if you would have read Sundays op-ed you would have learned that Thomas Jefferson said the same thing about the press in 1807. How do you explain the fact that the press and other media say the same thing about each other ?
i doubt if Thomas Jefferson or any former president ever said "the press is the enemy of the American people" as Trump said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/polit...eople/98126656/

WASHINGTON — President Trump's long-term rhetorical war on the press is heating up again, thanks to a tweet declaring the media "the enemy of the American people" and concerns that Trump's increasingly acerbic rhetoric is the cutting edge of authoritarianism.

"If you want to preserve democracy as we know it, you have to have a free -- and many times adversarial — press," said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., speaking on NBC's Meet The Press. "And without it, I am afraid that we would lose so much of our individual liberties over time — that's how dictators get started."
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#1496973 --- 03/24/17 03:13 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Hey Pete, do you ever read the paper, other than your own stuff ? The paper you write for TWISTS EVERYTHING. IT'S SO BAD MOST PEOPLE DON'T READ IT !!!
Ah yes. Most people just subscribe to this paper but don't read it! To get their news they listen to Fox News which is fair and balanced. grin
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#1496975 --- 03/24/17 03:25 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Well if you would have read Sundays op-ed you would have learned that Thomas Jefferson said the same thing about the press in 1807. How do you explain the fact that the press and other media say the same thing about each other ? The best way to get a dictatorship is to disarm the public, and it's the Democrats who are trying to do that. grin
A well-armed public is not likely to attack a potential dictator if they have no idea what the truth is. With no freedom of the press, the public has no idea what the truth is. Oh and I fully support the second amendment.
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#1496993 --- 03/24/17 01:11 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Well if you would have read Sundays op-ed you would have learned that Thomas Jefferson said the same thing about the press in 1807. How do you explain the fact that the press and other media say the same thing about each other ? The best way to get a dictatorship is to disarm the public, and it's the Democrats who are trying to do that. grin
A well-armed public is not likely to attack a potential dictator if they have no idea what the truth is. With no freedom of the press, the public has no idea what the truth is. Oh and I fully support the second amendment.

Why do sooooo many believe in being well-armed with guns but not with actual FACTS?

You sure do have a well-stocked armory of talking-points ammo, don't you?
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#1497017 --- 03/25/17 02:47 PM Re: Parker's Owner: [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Mice and a whales are both mammals. Equating the two is beyond absurd.


alcoholism and gambling are not forms of addiction?
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#1499335 --- 05/27/17 04:38 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Blue_man]
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Originally Posted By: Blue_man
My favorite Pete Mitchell hypocrisy moment came when he railed agains the new casino because we shouldn't encourage businesses that cater to people's addictions.



I find that funny coming from Pete who for years ran a business that did nothing but serve underage kids. Pete gave them cash advances on their credit cards just so they would continue to sit there and drink.

More eating at Eddie O'Briens and a lot less Pete for us.
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#1499381 --- 05/29/17 11:34 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: The Mechanic]
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I find that funny coming from Pete who for years ran a business that did nothing but serve underage kids.

Boy, if THAT statement doesn't open you up to a libel lawsuit, nothing does.

Up next: More legal troubles for ' The Mechanic '.
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#1499382 --- 05/29/17 12:46 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: The Mechanic
I find that funny coming from Pete who for years ran a business that did nothing but serve underage kids.

[size:14pt]Boy, if THAT statement doesn't open you up to a libel lawsuit, nothing does.



First, Mitchell would have to locate "the Mechanic" to file the lawsuit.

Upon filing the lawsuit, the burden would be on Mitchell to prove the statement was false.

In addition, arguably, Mitchell has made himself a public figure by becoming a published author of a weekly column. That would make any libel suit even more difficult than for a private citizen because, not only would he need to prove it was false, he would need to prove it was made with "actual malice," and/or a "reckless disregard for the facts."

In addition, by filing the lawsuit, Mitchell would most likely be opening up his business operations to pretrial disclosure, including whether or not he (or any employees) had ever served an underaged person, what training the staff got in Dram shop, etc., any investigations or fines from the NYS Liquor Authority, etc.

Does all that really seem worth it to address an anonymous statement on a message board?

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#1499388 --- 05/29/17 07:39 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Sam the Sham]
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Originally Posted By: Sam the Sham
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: The Mechanic
I find that funny coming from Pete who for years ran a business that did nothing but serve underage kids.

Boy, if THAT statement doesn't open you up to a libel lawsuit, nothing does.

First, Mitchell would have to locate "the Mechanic" to file the lawsuit.

Upon filing the lawsuit, the burden would be on Mitchell to prove the statement was false.

In addition, arguably, Mitchell has made himself a public figure by becoming a published author of a weekly column. That would make any libel suit even more difficult than for a private citizen because, not only would he need to prove it was false, he would need to prove it was made with "actual malice," and/or a "reckless disregard for the facts."

In addition, by filing the lawsuit, Mitchell would most likely be opening up his business operations to pretrial disclosure, including whether or not he (or any employees) had ever served an underaged person, what training the staff got in Dram shop, etc., any investigations or fines from the NYS Liquor Authority, etc.

Does all that really seem worth it to address an anonymous statement on a message board?

1) The name of any forum member can easily be subpoenaed for little to no cost.

2) The prosecution (or victim in this case) has no obligation whatsoever to prove innocence. That's why the burden of proof always rests upon those who would make public libelous claims. Anyone who does so against an individual or business (Such as Parker's) will almost certainly result in a legal loss, as long as the plaintiff can prove damages, which, in the case of a commercial operation thats' livelihood is significantly dependent on public perception, is quite easy and requires only the most basic evidence.

3) Dramshop laws are irrelevant unless they relate specifically to the alleged libelous claims. And since the statement made, clearly stated "ALL", The Mechanic would be highly unlikely to prevail in such a case.

4) It all depends on the potential level of damages, doesn't it? A single witnesses statement by anyone claiming to 'not do business' as a result of this statement would be ample evidence for a clear prosecutorial victory. Of course, there's absolutely nothing to prevent Parker's from suing the snot out of 'The Mechanic', simply out of principle, right? smirk
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#1499402 --- 05/29/17 08:41 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: newsman38]
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Apparently, despite your signature line, you think you are entitled to your own facts.

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#1499404 --- 05/29/17 09:28 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Sam the Sham]
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Originally Posted By: Sam the Sham
Apparently, despite your signature line, you think you are entitled to your own facts.

Well then. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us with something akin to insightful legal knowledge, rather than this dippy deflection "counselor"?
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#1499406 --- 05/29/17 09:51 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Sam the Sham]
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Originally Posted By: Sam the Sham
Apparently, despite your signature line, you think you are entitled to your own facts.

Entitled to THE facts. As Teonan astutely points out... I don't see you providing ANY. whistle

So, my signature line stands, and your username seems to speak for itself.
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#1499409 --- 05/30/17 06:47 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Sam the Sham
Apparently, despite your signature line, you think you are entitled to your own facts.

Well then. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us with something akin to insightful legal knowledge, rather than this dippy deflection "counselor"?


The factual state of the law as it pertains to libel is set forth in my post above. The only deflection is coming from yourself and your friend, who prefer to attack and criticize rather than discuss.

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#1499410 --- 05/30/17 07:54 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Sam the Sham]
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Originally Posted By: Sam the Sham
Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: Sam the Sham
Apparently, despite your signature line, you think you are entitled to your own facts.

Well then. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us with something akin to insightful legal knowledge, rather than this dippy deflection "counselor"?


The factual state of the law as it pertains to libel is set forth in my post above. The only deflection is coming from yourself and your friend, who prefer to attack and criticize rather than discuss.


Interesting, being you're the one responding to Timbo's reasoned thoughts and further inquiry by bailing from the discussion using such an utterly disingenuous reply.
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#1499428 --- 05/30/17 11:53 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Sam the Sham]
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Originally Posted By: Sam the Sham
not only would he need to prove it was false, he would need to prove it was made with "actual malice," and/or a "reckless disregard for the facts."

Not only does he NOT have to prove that it was false (his statement is self-evident), a perusal of The Mechanic's past posts, clearly supports the notion that he grinds a strong axe concerning Mitchell, both personally and, by extension, professionally.

The very definitions of Malice AND reckless disregard.

The only question is a matter of determining the extent of damages, if any.
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#1499602 --- 06/03/17 11:50 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
a perusal of The Mechanic's past posts, clearly supports the notion that he grinds a strong axe concerning Mitchell, both personally and, by extension, professionally.


Mitchell has an axe to grind against anyone who doesn't fall in behind him in his beliefs. He is just another blowhard who writes his own opinions for a substandard news paper merely because he is friends with Chuck Shading.

We had another nice meal at Eddie O'Brien's earlier. We will happily spend our money at Pete's competition every chance we get.



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#1499615 --- 06/04/17 04:34 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: The Mechanic]
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Originally Posted By: The Mechanic
He is just another blowhard who writes his own opinions for a substandard news paper merely because he is friends with Chuck Shading..

If by "substandard", you mean one that's bristling with a wide range of journalism awards in it's related news outlet category, you might have a point.

But... since you're apparently incapable of expressing yourself in a way that even remotely meets the high level of required journalistic standards demonstrated consistently by Mitchell, it's evidently no wonder that he has the job and you don't.
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#1499959 --- 06/14/17 03:06 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: newsman38]
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A few weeks ago, Mitchell called Trump a "clear a present danger" to America and the world.

That kind of over the top rhetoric implies that extreme measures can be taken to stop someone.

Now, we have a liberal Bernie Sanders supporter with a history of virulent posts against Trump and his supports shooting up a ball game to try and kill and many Republicans as possible.

I'm not saying that Mitchell is directly responsible for this of course. Obviously the shooters is extremely unlikely to have read an editorial in a local paper by a tavern owner with delusions of political importance.

However, Mitchell's invective is simply one more example of a media and a liberal #resistance that gets increasingly violent toward the opposing party.

Isn't it time for his editors to fire him, or at least tone him down?

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#1500047 --- 06/15/17 03:54 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Devil's Advocate]
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Originally Posted By: Devil's Advocate
A few weeks ago, Mitchell called Trump a "clear a present danger" to America and the world.

That kind of over the top rhetoric implies that extreme measures can be taken to stop someone.

It doesn't suggest ANY such thing, and don't you dare forget that Trump categorically and repeatedly encouraged acts of violence upon people both during and after his campaigning. So you can can just stow that blatently disingenuous outrage, soldier.

Now drop and give me fifty!
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#1500061 --- 06/15/17 07:46 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
It doesn't suggest ANY such thing, and don't you dare forget that Trump categorically and repeatedly encouraged acts of violence upon people both during and after his campaigning.


So Trump is a Jack@$$ and Pete Mitchell is a Jack@$$. All you have done is establish exactly why decent people shouldn't patronize his Applebee's knockoff restaurants.

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