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#1497017 --- 03/25/17 02:47 PM Re: Parker's Owner: [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Mice and a whales are both mammals. Equating the two is beyond absurd.


alcoholism and gambling are not forms of addiction?
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#1499335 --- 05/27/17 04:38 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Blue_man]
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Originally Posted By: Blue_man
My favorite Pete Mitchell hypocrisy moment came when he railed agains the new casino because we shouldn't encourage businesses that cater to people's addictions.



I find that funny coming from Pete who for years ran a business that did nothing but serve underage kids. Pete gave them cash advances on their credit cards just so they would continue to sit there and drink.

More eating at Eddie O'Briens and a lot less Pete for us.
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#1499381 --- 05/29/17 11:34 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: The Mechanic]
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Originally Posted By: The Mechanic
I find that funny coming from Pete who for years ran a business that did nothing but serve underage kids.

Boy, if THAT statement doesn't open you up to a libel lawsuit, nothing does.

Up next: More legal troubles for ' The Mechanic '.
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#1499382 --- 05/29/17 12:46 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: The Mechanic
I find that funny coming from Pete who for years ran a business that did nothing but serve underage kids.

[size:14pt]Boy, if THAT statement doesn't open you up to a libel lawsuit, nothing does.



First, Mitchell would have to locate "the Mechanic" to file the lawsuit.

Upon filing the lawsuit, the burden would be on Mitchell to prove the statement was false.

In addition, arguably, Mitchell has made himself a public figure by becoming a published author of a weekly column. That would make any libel suit even more difficult than for a private citizen because, not only would he need to prove it was false, he would need to prove it was made with "actual malice," and/or a "reckless disregard for the facts."

In addition, by filing the lawsuit, Mitchell would most likely be opening up his business operations to pretrial disclosure, including whether or not he (or any employees) had ever served an underaged person, what training the staff got in Dram shop, etc., any investigations or fines from the NYS Liquor Authority, etc.

Does all that really seem worth it to address an anonymous statement on a message board?

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#1499388 --- 05/29/17 07:39 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Sam the Sham]
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Originally Posted By: Sam the Sham
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: The Mechanic
I find that funny coming from Pete who for years ran a business that did nothing but serve underage kids.

Boy, if THAT statement doesn't open you up to a libel lawsuit, nothing does.

First, Mitchell would have to locate "the Mechanic" to file the lawsuit.

Upon filing the lawsuit, the burden would be on Mitchell to prove the statement was false.

In addition, arguably, Mitchell has made himself a public figure by becoming a published author of a weekly column. That would make any libel suit even more difficult than for a private citizen because, not only would he need to prove it was false, he would need to prove it was made with "actual malice," and/or a "reckless disregard for the facts."

In addition, by filing the lawsuit, Mitchell would most likely be opening up his business operations to pretrial disclosure, including whether or not he (or any employees) had ever served an underaged person, what training the staff got in Dram shop, etc., any investigations or fines from the NYS Liquor Authority, etc.

Does all that really seem worth it to address an anonymous statement on a message board?

1) The name of any forum member can easily be subpoenaed for little to no cost.

2) The prosecution (or victim in this case) has no obligation whatsoever to prove innocence. That's why the burden of proof always rests upon those who would make public libelous claims. Anyone who does so against an individual or business (Such as Parker's) will almost certainly result in a legal loss, as long as the plaintiff can prove damages, which, in the case of a commercial operation thats' livelihood is significantly dependent on public perception, is quite easy and requires only the most basic evidence.

3) Dramshop laws are irrelevant unless they relate specifically to the alleged libelous claims. And since the statement made, clearly stated "ALL", The Mechanic would be highly unlikely to prevail in such a case.

4) It all depends on the potential level of damages, doesn't it? A single witnesses statement by anyone claiming to 'not do business' as a result of this statement would be ample evidence for a clear prosecutorial victory. Of course, there's absolutely nothing to prevent Parker's from suing the snot out of 'The Mechanic', simply out of principle, right? smirk
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#1499402 --- 05/29/17 08:41 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: newsman38]
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Apparently, despite your signature line, you think you are entitled to your own facts.

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#1499404 --- 05/29/17 09:28 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Sam the Sham]
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Originally Posted By: Sam the Sham
Apparently, despite your signature line, you think you are entitled to your own facts.

Well then. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us with something akin to insightful legal knowledge, rather than this dippy deflection "counselor"?
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#1499406 --- 05/29/17 09:51 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Sam the Sham]
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Originally Posted By: Sam the Sham
Apparently, despite your signature line, you think you are entitled to your own facts.

Entitled to THE facts. As Teonan astutely points out... I don't see you providing ANY. whistle

So, my signature line stands, and your username seems to speak for itself.
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#1499409 --- 05/30/17 06:47 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: Sam the Sham
Apparently, despite your signature line, you think you are entitled to your own facts.

Well then. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us with something akin to insightful legal knowledge, rather than this dippy deflection "counselor"?


The factual state of the law as it pertains to libel is set forth in my post above. The only deflection is coming from yourself and your friend, who prefer to attack and criticize rather than discuss.

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#1499410 --- 05/30/17 07:54 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Sam the Sham]
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Originally Posted By: Sam the Sham
Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: Sam the Sham
Apparently, despite your signature line, you think you are entitled to your own facts.

Well then. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us with something akin to insightful legal knowledge, rather than this dippy deflection "counselor"?


The factual state of the law as it pertains to libel is set forth in my post above. The only deflection is coming from yourself and your friend, who prefer to attack and criticize rather than discuss.


Interesting, being you're the one responding to Timbo's reasoned thoughts and further inquiry by bailing from the discussion using such an utterly disingenuous reply.
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#1499428 --- 05/30/17 11:53 AM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Sam the Sham]
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Originally Posted By: Sam the Sham
not only would he need to prove it was false, he would need to prove it was made with "actual malice," and/or a "reckless disregard for the facts."

Not only does he NOT have to prove that it was false (his statement is self-evident), a perusal of The Mechanic's past posts, clearly supports the notion that he grinds a strong axe concerning Mitchell, both personally and, by extension, professionally.

The very definitions of Malice AND reckless disregard.

The only question is a matter of determining the extent of damages, if any.
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#1499602 --- 06/03/17 11:50 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
a perusal of The Mechanic's past posts, clearly supports the notion that he grinds a strong axe concerning Mitchell, both personally and, by extension, professionally.


Mitchell has an axe to grind against anyone who doesn't fall in behind him in his beliefs. He is just another blowhard who writes his own opinions for a substandard news paper merely because he is friends with Chuck Shading.

We had another nice meal at Eddie O'Brien's earlier. We will happily spend our money at Pete's competition every chance we get.



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#1499615 --- 06/04/17 04:34 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: The Mechanic]
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Originally Posted By: The Mechanic
He is just another blowhard who writes his own opinions for a substandard news paper merely because he is friends with Chuck Shading..

If by "substandard", you mean one that's bristling with a wide range of journalism awards in it's related news outlet category, you might have a point.

But... since you're apparently incapable of expressing yourself in a way that even remotely meets the high level of required journalistic standards demonstrated consistently by Mitchell, it's evidently no wonder that he has the job and you don't.
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#1499959 --- 06/14/17 03:06 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: newsman38]
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A few weeks ago, Mitchell called Trump a "clear a present danger" to America and the world.

That kind of over the top rhetoric implies that extreme measures can be taken to stop someone.

Now, we have a liberal Bernie Sanders supporter with a history of virulent posts against Trump and his supports shooting up a ball game to try and kill and many Republicans as possible.

I'm not saying that Mitchell is directly responsible for this of course. Obviously the shooters is extremely unlikely to have read an editorial in a local paper by a tavern owner with delusions of political importance.

However, Mitchell's invective is simply one more example of a media and a liberal #resistance that gets increasingly violent toward the opposing party.

Isn't it time for his editors to fire him, or at least tone him down?

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#1500047 --- 06/15/17 03:54 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Devil's Advocate]
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Originally Posted By: Devil's Advocate
A few weeks ago, Mitchell called Trump a "clear a present danger" to America and the world.

That kind of over the top rhetoric implies that extreme measures can be taken to stop someone.

It doesn't suggest ANY such thing, and don't you dare forget that Trump categorically and repeatedly encouraged acts of violence upon people both during and after his campaigning. So you can can just stow that blatently disingenuous outrage, soldier.

Now drop and give me fifty!
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#1500061 --- 06/15/17 07:46 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
It doesn't suggest ANY such thing, and don't you dare forget that Trump categorically and repeatedly encouraged acts of violence upon people both during and after his campaigning.


So Trump is a Jack@$$ and Pete Mitchell is a Jack@$$. All you have done is establish exactly why decent people shouldn't patronize his Applebee's knockoff restaurants.

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#1501804 --- 07/18/17 04:32 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: The Mechanic
So Pete Mitchell complains about Trump and his opinion on the media while at the same time Mitchell is in the media giving his biased opinions on matters that go against what he believes. Mitchell is just another hypocritical liberal sore loser.

They're NOT biases. They are facts. Well-documented historical facts that undeniably bare an uncanny resemblance to the events of today, in a multitude of respects.

"Hypocrisy" is when you accuse someone of biases while blatantly exhibiting your own. More so when you obviously can't be bothered to inform yourself on the historical record of the origins of European fascism in the 20th Century.
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Read a history book, for God's sake.


So Trump is like Hitler? Has Trump slaughtered millions of jews? Just the facts on that please.
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#1501805 --- 07/18/17 04:36 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Why do sooooo many believe in being well-armed with guns but not with actual FACTS?

You sure do have a well-stocked armory of talking-points ammo, don't you?


I love being well armed with my NYS compliant AR-15. Lots of ammo too. Now there is a fact for you.
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#1501806 --- 07/18/17 04:40 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Boy, if THAT statement doesn't open you up to a libel lawsuit, nothing does.

Up next: More legal troubles for ' The Mechanic '.[/size] whistle


You posted that on 5/29/17. Here it is 7/18/17. How much longer for the libel lawsuit?

More legal troubles? What legal troubles have I had?
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#1501807 --- 07/18/17 04:41 PM Re: Parker's Owner: Trump = Hitler [Re: The Mechanic]
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Well now. Ain't you the happy camper. crazy
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