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#1493942 --- 01/07/17 07:39 PM Re: Murder rate drops as concealed carry permits rise [Re: ThomasDecker]
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#1493943 --- 01/07/17 08:02 PM Re: Murder rate drops as concealed carry permits rise [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: cwjga
A national concealed carry reciprocity bill is said to be on the docket for the 115th sessions of Congress.
Will you be allowed to carry concealed guns on airplanes? Will you be allowed to carry concealed guns in the halls of congress?


The Bill has just been introduced.


If you want info, do your own leg work.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/358?r=9
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#1494193 --- 01/16/17 08:38 PM Re: Murder rate drops as concealed carry permits rise [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Originally Posted By: The Mechanic
2016 was a record year for gun sales and a year that saw a decrease in violent crime.



One thing President Obama did right in the last eight years.


Now come on he has done two good things. One was the increase in gun sales and two is violent crime went down as gun ownership soared. Not to shabby for an anti-gunner. Of course lets give credit where credit is due. He had help from Hillary. Obama and Hillary handed the election to Trump.
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#1495112 --- 02/07/17 09:15 AM Re: Murder rate drops as concealed carry permits rise [Re: The Mechanic]
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ATF Proposes Sweeping Rollback of Existing Gun Laws
By Tribunist Staff on February 6, 2017


For years, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives have held onto some antiquated gun laws. Some were, at their inception, politically motivated. Now the number two man in charge has written a proposal to reduce gun regulations.



While the move may come as a surprise to some, and as a disappointment to some Democrats who are hoping to at least maintain the status quo, all of the points in the new proposal are backed up with evidence to justify the changes.



What’s being proposed? As the Washington Post reports:

The 11-page “white paper” [titled “Options to Reduce or Modify Firearms Regulations,”] by Ronald B. Turk, associate deputy director and chief operating officer of the ATF, calls for removing restrictions on the sale of gun silencers; allowing gun dealers to have more guns used in crimes traced to their stores before the federal government requires additional information from the dealer; and initiating a study on lifting the ban on imported assault weapons.

Fans of the Second Amendment (and opponents of restrictive ATF regulations) have been optimistically watching the ground-swell of support for The Hearing Protection Act, which could remove suppressors from morass of legal restrictions governing their purchase and ownership now. This new white paper simply adds fuel to that fire.

“Silencers are very rarely used in criminal shootings,” the white paper states. “Given the lack of criminality associated with silencers, it is reasonable to conclude that they should not be viewed as a threat to public safety.”




The second point is more complicated, and has to do with free-market fairness. Gun store owners and FFL holders are not responsible for the actions of gun owners any more than a hardware store owner is responsible for what a customer does with a hammer bought in his or her store. Yet the controversial nature of all-things-gun-related has put an often unfair burden on store owners to defend selling guns to customers who can buy them legally. The white paper suggests a more realistic approach for holding dealers accountable.



The last is a big one for collectors and sportsmen, alike. The bans on importation of certain guns makes no sense. Some are deemed “assault weapons.” Some of those same assault weapons are available here in the states, and used for defense and hunting and other sporting activities that don’t involve assault. Why would a gun you could buy legally here in the U.S., which is made here in the U.S., be unavailable to import? The question becomes even more absurd when you consider many of these guns are military antiques that were made in the U.S., but left in conflict zones more than half a centruy ago–like the beloved M1 Carbine, a favorite of military collectors.


“Restriction on imports serves questionable public safety interests, as these rifles are already generally legally available for manufacture and ownership in the United States,” Turk wrote.



“Those firearm types are now standard for hunting activities. These restrictions have placed many limitations on importers, while at the same time imposing a heavy workload [on those responsible for certifying importation].”

While many are applauding the white-paper, it has its detractors. “This white paper offers a disturbing series of giveaways to the gun industry that would weaken regulatory oversight of the gun industry without adequate consideration of the impact on public safety,” Chelsea Parsons, vice president of guns and crime policy at the Center for American Progress, told WAPO.



“ATF has long described its regulatory function as a core part of its law enforcement mission to fight gun crime, yet this paper seems to prioritize reducing perceived burdens on the gun industry over an interest in protecting public safety from the illegal diversion of firearms,” Parsons said.
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#1495123 --- 02/07/17 01:13 PM Re: Murder rate drops as concealed carry permits rise [Re: cwjga]
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ROTFLMAO, soooooooo, lets get this straight, the idiot president states that he'll curtail ISIS here in the US by restricting immigrants into this country while simultaneously unfettering any means to keep guns out of the hands of domestic terrorists, I'm so happy to hear that we have no issues with attacks on church member, synagogues, college campuses or public school. Yes people!!!! they are that stupid and have not the ability to think things through before implementing them

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#1495139 --- 02/07/17 05:52 PM Re: Murder rate drops as concealed carry permits rise [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
ROTFLMAO, soooooooo, lets get this straight, the idiot president states that he'll curtail ISIS here in the US by restricting immigrants into this country while simultaneously unfettering any means to keep guns out of the hands of domestic terrorists, I'm so happy to hear that we have no issues with attacks on church member, synagogues, college campuses or public school. Yes people!!!! they are that stupid and have not the ability to think things through before implementing them



And you, want nothing than to limit those Church, Synagogues, and College Campus's members their God Given Rights to protect themselves with a firearm!
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#1495141 --- 02/07/17 06:20 PM Re: Murder rate drops as concealed carry permits rise [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Once again, Republicans are that stupid, care to explain the school shootings in the last 15 years, who did the shooting? Were the shooters foreign terrorists? The church shooter was a home grown kid, explain what has he to do with terrorism? The reason I am laughing is for the fact that 20 years ago, mass shootings were attributed to people missing something up stair, since the Conservatives come on the scene, mental instability has disappear now being replaced with radicalism. Your logic, it's ok to allow unstable people to have guns but as you know....they're not rrrreeeeaaalllllyyyyy unstable, just different. whistle

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#1495143 --- 02/07/17 06:32 PM Re: Murder rate drops as concealed carry permits rise [Re: Formermac]
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I have a partial body cast on thus limiting my mobility, you have what disability? Maybe...just maybe, you can be honest for 2 minutes and explain why a seemingly healthy individual come here every day to post such odd and screwy statements....a few others add some intelligent and thought provoking postings which is welcomed anytime, care to try it every once in a while? I can't wait to hear you state that you have been on trustee boards,school boards, local agencies to help nurture our children, donated time to your local community etc.
I've tried in every form and fashion to tell you that I don't care to deal with you but your insistence to do so anyways, tells us a lot about your problem, once again no laughing matter.

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#1495144 --- 02/07/17 06:34 PM Re: Murder rate drops as concealed carry permits rise [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker

God Given Rights to protect themselves with a firearm!

Yeah, yeah, we know. From God's lips to slave rapist Thomas Jefferson.

Personally, I prefer Carlin's take on this:

"God-given” rights, “The God excuse. The last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument. It came from God. Anything you can’t describe must have come from God. Personally, folks, I believe that if your rights came from God, he would’ve given you the right for some food every day, and he would’ve given you the right to a roof over your head. GOD would’ve been lookin’ out for ya. God would’ve been lookin’ out for ya. You know that.” ~ George Carlin
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