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#1495001 --- 02/02/17 11:41 AM Re: Sanctuary City: Ithaca moves forward [Re: ThomasDecker]
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LOL. I'm not a gambler Tommyboy, so your pan-handled bucks are quite safe. Better you save up for a new shopping cart. The wheels fell of THAT myth long ago. grin

Soooo. Where's your latest squat brother? "Green door"? "the bricks"?, beneath "sleepy-time bridge"?, "Jungle III"? "The Lounge"? Or maybe you lucked-out and chillin' nicely with some kind folk in moneyed Fall Creek.

If your unfamiliar with those migratory locations wanderin' 'street cat', drop by Loaves and Fishes to chow up on Mondays or Fridays. I'll clue ya in... wink


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#1495014 --- 02/02/17 12:35 PM Re: Sanctuary City: Ithaca moves forward [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

LOL. I'm not a gambler Tommyboy, so your pan-handled bucks are quite safe. Better you save up for a new shopping cart. The wheels fell of THAT myth long ago. grin

Soooo. Where's your latest squat brother? "Green door"? "the bricks"?, beneath "sleepy-time bridge"?, "Jungle III"? "The Lounge"? Or maybe you lucked-out and chillin' nicely with some kind folk in moneyed Fall Creek.

If your unfamiliar with those migratory locations wanderin' 'street cat', drop by Loaves and Fishes to chow up on Mondays or Fridays. I'll clue ya in... wink




So you'll clue me in.
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#1495027 --- 02/02/17 02:02 PM Re: Sanctuary City: Ithaca moves forward [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Originally Posted By: Teonan

LOL. I'm not a gambler Tommyboy, so your pan-handled bucks are quite safe. Better you save up for a new shopping cart. The wheels fell of THAT myth long ago. grin

Soooo. Where's your latest squat brother? "Green door"? "the bricks"?, beneath "sleepy-time bridge"?, "Jungle III"? "The Lounge"? Or maybe you lucked-out and chillin' nicely with some kind folk in moneyed Fall Creek.

If your unfamiliar with those migratory locations wanderin' 'street cat', drop by Loaves and Fishes to chow up on Mondays or Fridays. I'll clue ya in... wink




So you'll clue me in.



Jeez. Didn't I make that clear enough?
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#1495044 --- 02/02/17 08:08 PM Re: Sanctuary City: Ithaca moves forward [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
How much ya want to bet that law enforcement backs Trump ? crazy

I don't gamble man. You might consider putting that lost wager into the grandkids college fund.

Talk of Sanctuary County prompts Tompkins Sheriff statement: deputies won't ask for immigration status
Read on: https://ithacavoice.com/2017/02/talk-san...gration-status/
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#1495683 --- 02/23/17 08:12 AM Re: Sanctuary City: Ithaca moves forward [Re: Teonan]
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Tompkins County approves resolution protecting immigrants

Ithaca Times
By Jaime Cone

Feb 22, 2017

After an hour of public comment followed by another hour of debate, the Tompkins County Legislature Tuesday passed a resolution "to maintain a safe, inclusive government and protection, order, conduct, safety, health, and well-being of all persons in Tompkins County."

All but two of legislators, Glen Morey (R-Groton) and David McKenna (R-Newfield), voted in favor of the resolution. Michael Sigler (R-Lansing) was not present on an excused absence.

The resolution is similar to other "sanctuary" resolutions passed by municipalities in response to President Donald Trump's executive order cracking down on undocumented immigrants. On Tuesday, documents were made public that revealed the full scope of the President's plans to "no exempt classes or categories of removable aliens from potential enforcement."

Mayor Svante Myrick and the Common Council passed an ordinance two weeks ago that officially declared Ithaca a sanctuary city, using legislation similar to the resolution that legislator Legislator Anna Kelles (D-Ithaca) and constitutional law professor Kathleen Bergin drafted for approval by the legislature.

The four-page resolution includes the statement that county departments, officers, personnel, and agents should not engage in certain activities solely for the purpose of enforcing federal immigration law, including executing a stop based solely on actual or suspected immigration status or a civil immigration warrant, administrative warrant, or an immigration detainer in the individual’s name, including those identified in the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database.

Kelles said that she purposely excluded the word "sanctuary" from the resolution because it is a broad term that has been used by numerous other municipalities to describe a wide range of scenarios. "It is not a legal definition," she said. "It is a political definition."

Kelles said that the extent to which the local legislation may affect the county financially is still unknown, though the federal government's discretion may be limited to funding that supports local law enforcement agencies.

"That is under debate, but there are case laws that show that federal government cannot take steps that are coercive with respect to withholding federal funding," she said. "There is also case law that shows that any action taken by the federal government must be germane; for example, for grants that are put forward stipulations should be germane to that grant and to the welfare of the United States."

The resolution also states that "the mere fact of being present in the United States without authorization, by itself, does not constitute a crime," which Legislator Peter Stein (D-Ithaca) moved to have taken out on the basis that people may be confused by the language and that it may "create enemies" among those who believe that immigrants should not remain in the county without official documentation.

Stein was the only legislator to vote in favor or his proposed amendment to remove the clause.

About 55 members of the public attended the meeting, and the vast majority of those who addressed the legislature were in favor of the resolution. Many spoke about potential chilling effect that the fear of deportation could have on immigrants' willingness to interact with law enforcement.

"That fear will actually prevent local law enforcement from doing its job," said local resident Sara Schaffzin, "since it will deter immigrants from reporting crime to the police for fear of being rounded up and deported."

Legislature Chair Michael Lane said that he stands in full support of the resolution. "We look at people who come here from another country as a resource to us," he said. "They provide ideas, intellect and diversity, and we need that."

http://www.ithaca.com/news/ithaca/tompki...0189d9a0d3.html
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#1495700 --- 02/23/17 02:26 PM Sanctuary City: Illegal [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman said in a news release:

[i] cut off funding to states and cities simply because they have lawfully acted to protect immigrant families -- as described in the legal guidance my office issued last week. Local governments seeking to protect their immigrant communities from federal overreach have every right to do so.

“Building and maintaining trust between local law enforcement and the communities they bravely serve is vital to ensuring public safety. Any attempt to bully local governments into abandoning policies that have proven to keep our cities safe is not only unconstitutional, but threatens the safety of our citizens.



is Schneiderman protecting the US citizens or the 'immigrants'?

odd that schneiderman prefers to pick and choose which laws he wants to apply

must be he has already forgot about 911, the twin towers falling down, all the people killed, all the police and fire personnel that lost their lives, how children lost a father or a mother, how family members lost another family member, how brothers lost a brother, how sisters lost a sister, how siblings lost another sibling, how parents lost their adult child, how the entire area was destroyed, the severe economic impact.TSA...

must be he did not lose a family member when the twin towers came down

or the actions afterwards


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#1495701 --- 02/23/17 02:46 PM Sanctuary City: Illegal [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

Tompkins County approves resolution protecting immigrants



why stop there

why not just eliminate the entire police department and see how you like that
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#1495711 --- 02/23/17 09:11 PM Re: Sanctuary City: Illegal [Re: bluezone]
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Yeah yeah. The “Judeo-Christian West” is at war.

Tweet your pr*sident. He could use a few fresh meatheads. Sieg Heil.
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#1495754 --- 02/24/17 04:15 PM Re: Sanctuary City: Illegal [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
The four-page resolution includes the statement that county departments, officers, personnel, and agents should not engage in certain activities solely for the purpose of enforcing federal immigration law


"That is under debate, but there are case laws that show that federal government cannot take steps that are coercive with respect to withholding federal funding," she said. "There is also case law that shows that any action taken by the federal government must be germane; for example, for grants that are put forward stipulations should be germane to that grant and to the welfare of the United States."


so you want to use case law to avoid enforcing federal immigration law whistle

are you unable to see the contradiction?


Originally Posted By: Teonan
The resolution also states that "the mere fact of being present in the United States without authorization, by itself, does not constitute a crime,"


being in the USA without proper documentation is a CRIME

can you say UNdocumented?
can you say CRIME?
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#1495755 --- 02/24/17 04:20 PM Re: Sanctuary City: Illegal [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

Tompkins County approves resolution protecting immigrants


should it read 'Tompkins County approves resolution NOT to protect its actual US CITIZENS'?
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#1495756 --- 02/24/17 04:40 PM Re: Sanctuary City: Illegal [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
The ordinance was passed, officials said, based not only on ethical and moral grounds but because data shows that Sanctuary Cities -- in comparison to non-Sanctuary Cities -- have less crime, higher median rates of income, lower rates of unemployment and lower rates of poverty.


false

must be you have not heard of Rochester NY...

Originally Posted By: newsman38
About Ithaca crime rates

With a crime rate of 55 per one thousand residents, Ithaca has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 18. Within New York, more than 98% of the communities have a lower crime rate than Ithaca.

Importantly, when you compare Ithaca to other communities of similar population, then Ithaca crime rate (violent and property crimes combined) is quite a bit higher than average. Regardless of how Ithaca does relative to all communities in America of all sizes, when NeighborhoodScout compared it to communities of similar population size, its crime rate per thousand residents stands out as higher than most....

From our analysis, we discovered that violent crime in Ithaca occurs at a rate higher than in most communities of all population sizes in America.

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#1495765 --- 02/25/17 04:55 AM Re: Sanctuary City: Illegal [Re: bluezone]
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Did you see the video on Facebook of Bill Clinton, when he was President, saying the exact same thing as Trump about illegal immigrants. How he was going to deport them ?

https://youtu.be/FZXbG5gvoC0


Edited by scwoodchuck (02/25/17 05:02 AM)
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#1495766 --- 02/25/17 05:07 AM Re: Sanctuary City: Illegal [Re: bluezone]
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https://youtu.be/auZRVqrCLY8


We have to start protesting Bill Clinton because he started this mess !
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Edited by scwoodchuck (02/25/17 05:07 AM)
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#1495778 --- 02/25/17 08:41 AM Re: Sanctuary City: Ithaca moves forward [Re: bluezone]
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Even if your chronic xenophobic dogma is carved in stone...


No Evidence Sanctuary Cities ‘Breed Crime’
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/02/no-evidence-sanctuary-cities-breed-crime/

The Effects of Sanctuary Policies on Crime and the Economy
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/...nd-the-economy/

Sanctuary Cities Are Safer and More Productive
New research contradicts President Trump’s claim that these areas do "immeasurable harm" to their residents.
http://www.citylab.com/crime/2017/01/sanctuary-cities-are-safer-and-more-productive/514508/

Actually, Sanctuary Cities Are Safer
Here's why all the vitriol we're hearing right now is misguided.[/color]
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015...e-san-francisco

COMMENTARY: An argument for sanctuary cities
http://newton.wickedlocal.com/news/20170210/commentary-argument-for-sanctuary-cities

Mass. Bar Association voices support for sanctuary cities, comprehensive immigration reform
http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/01/mass_bar_association_voices_su.html


Speaking of Rochester...
Rochester reaffirms sanctuary status amid immigration crackdown
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/stor...kdown/98202942/
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#1495783 --- 02/25/17 01:03 PM Re: Sanctuary City: Ithaca moves forward [Re: Teonan]
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https://www.fbi.gov/wanted&#8206;

Ten Most Wanted · YASER ABDEL SAID · JOANNE DEBORAH CHESIMARD ·
Most Wanted Terrorists · JOANNE DEBORAH CHESIMARD · RANGER LACY.

&#8206;Ten Most Wanted - &#8206;Fugitives - &#8206;Kidnappings & Missing Persons - &#8206;Seeking Information
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#1495784 --- 02/25/17 03:52 PM Re: Sanctuary City: Illegal [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Speaking of Rochester...


high poverty
high crime
low graduation rate
low student attendance
low student performance
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#1495787 --- 02/25/17 04:17 PM Re: Sanctuary City: Ithaca moves forward [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted&#8206;

Ten Most Wanted · YASER ABDEL SAID · JOANNE DEBORAH CHESIMARD ·
Most Wanted Terrorists · JOANNE DEBORAH CHESIMARD · RANGER LACY.
&#8206;Ten Most Wanted - &#8206;Fugitives - &#8206;Kidnappings & Missing Persons - &#8206;Seeking Information


Sooo chuckster. What point relevant to the subject are you trying to make here?
crazy





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#1495800 --- 02/25/17 05:03 PM Re: Sanctuary City: Illegal [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
The four-page resolution includes the statement that county departments, officers, personnel, and agents should not engage in certain activities solely for the purpose of enforcing federal immigration law


"That is under debate, but there are case laws that show that federal government cannot take steps that are coercive with respect to withholding federal funding," she said. "There is also case law that shows that any action taken by the federal government must be germane; for example, for grants that are put forward stipulations should be germane to that grant and to the welfare of the United States."


you want to disobey federal law but yet you still want federal funding - rather odd

try this

if you want a 'sanctuary city' then those in favor of it pay for it OUT of your pockets

bet it will be rejected grin
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#1496112 --- 03/03/17 08:55 AM Re: Sanctuary City:Illegal [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Kelles said that the extent to which the local legislation may affect the county financially is still unknown


wonder if NYS illegally spends over $25 BILLION on illegals per year?

open up your purse teonan and cover that cost

NYS could offer healthcare for the approximate 1 million NY US citizens that do not have healthcare in NYS

Originally Posted By: luckyduck
For 12 years California has ignored Officials' warnings regarding the Oroville Dam, and now, despite spending $25 Billion dollars a year on illegals, Gov. Brown no goes hat-in-hand to beg for emergency funds from the Trump Administration to fix the dam which provides water to more than 20 million farmers and residential customers.
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#1496141 --- 03/03/17 06:29 PM Re: Sanctuary City:Illegal [Re: bluezone]
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What. Unconcern for our state's agricultural industry deprived of their exploitable immigrant workforce due to increased crackdowns?

Unless American kids begin setting their life goals on becoming farm workers, our state's fresh produce will rot in the fields without the hardworking undocumented.

And eventually, those NYS farms would wither away, too.

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