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#1513183 --- 02/10/18 04:16 PM Re: Trump Effect-Dow Records [Re: bluezone]
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I always do son, added to my pleasure is the fact that your ignorance is very entertaining to say the least.


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#1513184 --- 02/10/18 04:18 PM Re: Trump Effect - Dow Records [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
I laid down laughing when you failed to present a claim of stating how much you made in stocks and bonds while bragging about the huge increase in your bring home pay.


do you need a hug from hillary?
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#1513185 --- 02/10/18 04:22 PM Trump Effect-Dow Plunges! [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
do you need a hug from hillary?

Troll.
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#1513188 --- 02/10/18 04:36 PM Re: Trump Effect - Dow Records [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Formermac
I laid down laughing when you failed to present a claim of stating how much you made in stocks and bonds while bragging about the huge increase in your bring home pay.


do you need a hug from hillary?


Not really, why are you making my ascertion so easy to prove? You've bid me adieu in your supposed last post but decided to add to your buffoonery by coming back with another oddity. Hey, I only made a point, if you're a generous recipient of the stock market and tax cut, Trump could use your help presently because intelligent people quit listening to his BS back in 2015,,,now for those that supported and voted for him, we've all made some foolish mistakes that we're ashamed of. smile



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#1513191 --- 02/10/18 05:22 PM Re: Trump Effect - Dow Records [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
do you need a hug from hillary?

l.


have a delightful evening

sweet dreams
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#1513192 --- 02/10/18 05:27 PM Re: Trump Effect - Dow Records [Re: Formermac]
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Formermac, it appears that a troll is attempting to say good evening for the third time....LOL off topic to say the least when they have no legitimate rebuttal.

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#1513193 --- 02/10/18 05:40 PM Re: Trump Effect - Dow Records [Re: bluezone]
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is someone conversing with their self again? crazy

the stock futures are pointing to a possible 197 point upside for trading on monday
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#1513194 --- 02/10/18 06:26 PM Trump Effect-Dow Plunges! [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
the stock futures are pointing to a possible 197 point upside for trading on monday

At best, they're mixed, and all built on a house of cards.
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#1513195 --- 02/10/18 06:26 PM Re: Trump Effect - Dow Records [Re: bluezone]
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Monday morning will tell but for the time being, I sitting here nursing a sore femur, now tell me, why aren't you out on a Saturday evening enjoying yourself along with your significant other? I find it interesting that someone brags about a bullish market but somehow negates to reap the benefit from said market by staying at home looking for entertainment via a forum debate. I know......you're keeping your dividends for a rainy day. confused

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#1513196 --- 02/10/18 06:33 PM Re: Trump Effect - Dow Records [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
I know......you're keeping your dividends for a rainy day. confused

grin
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#1513197 --- 02/10/18 06:36 PM Re: Trump Effect - Dow Records [Re: bluezone]
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I'm laughing simply for the fact that you along with other Trump voters, sent "Jr" to college but realistically he failed in every respect, what's a parent to do? lie, lie, lie and attempt to hide those facts from family, friends and neighbors. As you've stated "Walk the talk" but Jr is flunking out elementary school while you brag about him being in Ivy league college. In regard to Timbo's point, the DOW is similar to a stack of card, it can all come tumbling down at any moment or is the recent spiral a figment of our imagination?

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#1513198 --- 02/10/18 06:42 PM Re: Trump Effect - Dow Records [Re: Formermac]
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https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/02/10/carl-bernstein-compulsive-lying-sot-nr.cnn

Bernstein: No modern president lied like Trump

Carl Bernstein, who along with Bob Woodward investigated the Watergate scandal for the Washington Post, compares the Trump presidency to that of Nixon, saying, "we never had a president who lies like this."
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#1513213 --- 02/12/18 07:16 AM Re: Trump Effect - Dow Records [Re: kyle585]
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The worst liars are the ones that actually believes themselves, it must be contagious as well because of the lies & misinformation submitted by Trump supporters and a few that are presently lurking here and playing a game of hopscotch waiting for that opportunity to offer more hate, lies and denial of the US having the worst President in modern history. whistle

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#1513219 --- 02/12/18 03:37 PM Re: Trump Effect - Dow Records [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
is someone conversing with their self again? crazy

the stock futures are pointing to a possible 197 point upside for trading on monday




Blue, your source of information was very accurate, not to mention over achieved. Now for more facts, the idiot they call the president is asking for an insurmountable sum of money for infrastructure but in his campaign speeches, he promised to trim the budget. Meantime back at he White House, there is still unprecedented turmoil never experienced since Richard Milhouse Nixon. Maybe the bullish market can fix that. whistle

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#1513220 --- 02/12/18 06:40 PM Trump Effect-Deficit Soars! [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Trump Vowed Not To Run $400 Billion Deficits. Instead He’ll Run A $1 Trillion One:

Does that technically count as a “promise kept”? smirk

Fourteen months before he was elected president, Donald Trump vowed to make sure the country would never again run a $400 billion budget deficit.

“Well, he’s right about that,” laughed Capitol Hill budget veteran Stan Collender on Monday.

Because, as it turns out, Trump kept his promise; only not in the way his supporters might have hoped.

In the first budget cycle fully under their control, Trump and the Republican-run Congress are likely to run a deficit that will top $1 trillion, some two-and-a-half times as big as the one Trump had complained about at his Sept. 30, 2015, rally in Keene, New Hampshire.

Story:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tru...kushpmg00000009
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#1513223 --- 02/13/18 12:05 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: cwjga]
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DACA Recipient: Democrats Have 'No Clear Message' on Immigration, and Use Us 'As Pawns'
Guy Benson

It's technically infrastructure week in Washington, but immigration is front and center in the Senate, as Mitch McConnell follows through on his post-'Schumer shutdown' pledge to permit the legislative process to move forward on DACA-related bills. A group of conservative Senators rolled out their proposal on Sunday, which we'll briefly explore below -- but first, here's a so-called 'DREAMer' (an illegal immigrant brought to America as a child) voicing a distinctly different view of the ongoing negotiations than is typically raised by the hardline activists typically featured in the press. The Left spotlights DACA-eligible illegal immigrants who insist that any formal resolution to their legal limbo be done "cleanly," without any other priorities or issues attached to the bill.

But that's an unrealistic and foolhardy demand from a population that, in my view, is in no place to be making any demands of the US government. But not all DREAMers share that naive and off-putting approach. Hilario "Eli" Yanez, who was brought to America when he was a baby, appeared on Fox & Friends over the weekend to offer a somewhat counterintuitive take. He acknowledged the need for compromise and even praised President Trump's leadership on the issue:



“At the end of the day, here’s a guy [in President Trump] who wants to provide a pathway to citizenship for myself and, you know, really make a difference in my life. I’m for that. Also, I believe we need to have border security so this doesn’t happen again. And if a wall is necessary to provide another layer for border security to do their job in a safe and responsible manner, then, you know, I think it’s necessary to fund it."

Yanez also expressed support for ending the "diversity visa" lottery and shifting toward a merit-based legal immigration system, effectively endorsing Trump's opening offer to Congressional Democrats. Speaking of whom, Yanez said he was "frustrated" by what he perceives as Democrats' point-scoring exploitation of an issue that affects his life so profoundly -- adding that he considers himself a patriotic American who would never kneel during the Star Spangled Banner, an anthem that gives him "goosebumps:"

Yanez said top Democrats have "no clear message" on immigration policy, other than to "us[e] us as pawns"... "They never should have shut down the government over DACA," he said, mentioning Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) by name. "There is plenty of time on the table to fix this. March 5 is the deadline." Yanez said he gets "goosebumps" when he hears the "Star-Spangled Banner" and said he would never take a knee like some athletes have, and declared a willingness to serve in the armed forces if asked.

Watching the full exchange, it becomes pretty clear that he's a pretty strong Trump supporter -- a relatively rare perspective in the DACA debate. So how will that discussion play out on Capitol Hill? Thus far, there are three major ideas floating around in the Senate, none of which has a chance of becoming law, as written. The Coons/McCain plan isn't nearly serious enough on border enforcement (it calls for a study, an non-immediate wall funding), and is actually worse than the Durbin/Graham roadmap that the White House had previously declared 'dead on arrival.' Then there's this new proposal unveiled by a group of the upper chamber's most conservative members:

Heading into an open-ended immigration debate, some of the Senate’s most conservative members are offering a package heavy with border security and provisions aimed at quickly deporting unauthorized migrants...The package translates a broad framework put forward by President Donald Trump into legislation and will be offered as an amendment during a debate that begins Monday in the Senate, GOP aides said Sunday. It represents a trade: conservatives agree to let the so-called Dreamers stay in the U.S. and even apply for citizenship, but they want a long list of enforcement measures too...The groups casts its bill as a common-sense compromise, but its backers are among the most conservative lawmakers on the issue of immigration, and few observers believe this measure will win support from the 60 senators needed. The Senate has 51 Republicans.

Backers say this is the only package that is backed by Mr. Trump and can pass the House, and say it is better for senators to vote for this than a version that will never become law. The package provides a 10-to-12 year path to citizenship for the approximately 1.8 million young people who qualified for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA, which Mr. Trump ended. Among the requirements, they must have been in the U.S. continually since at least 2007...It appropriates $25 billion for border security including new barriers—walls or fencing—as well as technology and personnel across immigration agencies. The entire sum would be appropriated as part of this bill, a provision aimed at preventing future Congresses from balking at the funding. But the funds would become available for spending in segments over a decade.

For additional details about how the bill would significantly curb chain migration and eliminate the visa lottery, click through. As the WSJ story suggests, the likelihood of getting to 60 votes on 'Secure and Succeed' (the Cornyn/Grassley/Cotton bill summarized above) is quite slim. Critics of the plan say that it's too unbalanced in its focus on enforcement, and would too drastically reduce legal immigration, while punting some important policy issues to another day, which may never come. As for the House, Speaker Paul Ryan has committed to passing a DACA compromise bill, but only if it aligns suitably with the White House's priorities. As I've been contending, a reasonable compromise would meet somewhere in the middle of the existing bills, and would at least roughly resemble what Trump offered: Immediate amnesty for (up to 1.8 million) eligible DREAMers, a path to citizenship for that class of illegal immigrants, full and gimmick-free funding for the border wall and other security mechanisms -- plus some combination of eliminating or reforming the visa lottery and/or curtailing chain migration.

None of these provisions are out of the mainstream or extreme, as evidenced by both public polling and the fact that every Senate Democrat voted for a version of each component in the 2013 'Gang of Eight' legislation. As they craft a bill that would achieve the bipartisan goal of normalizing legal status for DREAMers, Senators shouldn't bother wasting time on something that would run into a brick wall in the House, or that would trigger a veto threat from the president. The aim should be passage of a viable deal that actually has a chance of being signed into law, given the current political realities. The White House has signaled that the president will not extend the March 5 expiration date of an Obama-era executive program that the administration has determined to be unlawful. While law-abiding DREAMers would be low priority deportees in the event that DACA lapses, their temporary protections will end next month, barring Congressional action. The human cost of failure, due to intransigent 'resistance' or partisan posturing, would be real and significant. For what it's worth, McConnell has quasi-endorsed the conservative plan co-sponsored by his deputy, tweeting this aspirational position as the Senate debate got underway yesterday:


Leader McConnell
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I hope the #Senate can seize this opportunity and deliver real progress towards securing our border, reforming aspects of our immigration policy, and achieving a resolution for individuals who were brought to our country illegally when they were young.

4:06 PM - Feb 12, 2018
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#1513224 --- 02/13/18 12:41 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: cwjga]
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LOL, secure our border walls, yet there is clear evident that Russia hacked our past election and experts are quite clear that Russia will do the same in November. Why no policy by Trump is do anything about it? Answer: He won by a hacked election and hope things will favor the Republicans this fall. 80% of the population acknowledge that Russia is a clear and present danger, the 20 % remaining? well we have a few million more like you who falsely assume that Trump is smart but in reality, a 70 year old crazy "geezer" who is clearly delusional, psychotic and mentally disturbed. Just like PT Barnum said years ago, "There's a fool born every day and another fool born that will follow him over a cliff" laugh

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#1513225 --- 02/13/18 01:15 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
in reality, a 70 year old crazy "geezer" who is clearly delusional, psychotic and mentally disturbed. Just like PT Barnum said years ago, "There's a fool born every day and another fool born that will follow him over a cliff" laugh
72 on June 14th.
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#1513226 --- 02/13/18 01:49 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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72 in June, 12 years old in his current mental state February 13th grin

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#1513228 --- 02/13/18 02:14 PM Trump Effect-WH Lies [Re: cwjga]
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FBI Chief Disputes White House Claims On When It Heard Of Rob Porter Allegations:

FBI turned in a partial report about the Rob Porter domestic abuse accusations nearly a year ago.

The White House’s attempts to explain why it allowed a top aide accused of domestic violence by both of his ex-wives to keep his job took another hit on Tuesday, this time from FBI Director Christopher Wray.

President Donald Trump’s other top aides have been claiming that they did not know about the domestic violence allegations against former staff secretary Rob Porter until recently and that they did not appreciate the full extent of the accusations until photographs of one woman’s injuries were published by news outlets.

But Wray, who was named to that job by Trump, told the Senate Intelligence Committee that the FBI had given the White House a preliminary report on Porter nearly a year ago.

“I can’t get into the content of what was briefed,” he said in response to a question from Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.). “What I can tell you is that the FBI submitted a partial report on the investigation in question in March and then a completed background investigation in late July.”

Wray added that the FBI “soon thereafter” received a request for a follow-up from the White House, which it completed and returned in November.

The FBI closed out its investigation in January, but then received “additional information” in early February, which it passed along as well, Wray said.

White House officials did not respond to multiple requests for comment about Wray’s testimony, which contradicts timelines offered by the White House press office over the past week.

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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tru...4b01467fcf24a7a
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