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#1503495 --- 08/16/17 07:34 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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WASHINGTON — Let’s be clear about what President Donald Trump was up to Tuesday during his press conference in Trump Tower, and what his longer-range plan is for surviving, if not prospering, in the White House for at least four years.

Speaking publicly in the family fortress in the wake of the violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, he wasn’t trying to convince anyone of the facts. There could be no dispute about them if you saw, say, the Vice video of hideous neo-Nazis, KKK members, generic white supremacists and rancid anti-Semites in the streets carrying torches and chanting “Jews will not replace.”

No, the president was doing something else: trolling the media, deliberately goading reporters he knew were waiting for him in his echoing marble lobby. He basked in their urgent outrage and determined focus on Charlottesville. He had scripted himself as the alt-right’s Daniel in a “fake news” lion’s den of his own devising.

Was he upset by the resulting headline and denunciations from the likes of the former presidents Bush, father and son? Hardly. He had sought them. In fact, word on Wednesday was that Trump had been in a good, almost celebratory, mood Tuesday after the confrontation he’d created. He had unleashed himself, perhaps once and for all. He was in the fight, and the fight is all.

Donald Trump seems perfectly willing to destroy the country to maintain his own power.

More broadly and big-picture, look for more of the same. Having risen to power by dividing the country, his party leadership and even, at times, his own campaign team, his aim now is to divide or discredit any institution, tradition or group in his way.

Donald Trump seems perfectly willing to destroy the country to maintain his own power. He is racing to undermine the federal political system — if not all American public life — before still-independent forces (for now, the federal courts, the press and Congress) undermine him.


The goal, as always with Trump, is to win amid the chaos he sows, to be the last man standing in rubble. And “winning” is rapidly being reduced to the raw, basic terms he prefers: brute survival. With a record-setting low approval rating, world crises everywhere and a special counsel on his tail, the main victory he can hope for is staying in office.

It’s not only an emotional imperative for Trump, it’s a deliberate &#8213; and thus far successful &#8213; strategy.

I am told by lawyers familiar with special counsel Robert Mueller’s methods and those of similar investigations that Mueller almost certainly obtained the president’s federal tax returns long ago. Whether Trump knows that directly or not, he has to assume it — and be driven wild by it. The counsel also has assembled an industrial-strength team of experts in international money-laundering, criminal tax fraud and forensic accounting.
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#1503496 --- 08/16/17 07:37 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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Trump must keep the allegiance of this many Republican senators to defeat any attempt to convict him in an impeachment trial in the Senate, if there ever is one. You can be sure he knows this number, and that much of his strategy is made with it in mind. He’d rather have a small number of hard-core “locked and loaded” supporters than a larger number of unreliable moderates; it’s the impeachment version of his 2016 Electoral College strategy. Trump evidently regards Kentucky Sen. Mitch McConnell, the GOP Senate leader, as too weak to be reliable. But the president had better think twice about trying to have him replaced. The Louisville-based senator is friends with a politician from across the Ohio River named Mike Pence.
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#1503498 --- 08/16/17 09:37 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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OMG! ROFLMAO!

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#1503513 --- 08/17/17 01:10 AM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
OMG! ROFLMAO!
Laugh now gassy. He who laughs last laughs the loudest.
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#1503621 --- 08/19/17 03:27 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/19/trump-worst-week-again-241805

Trump just had his 'worst week' — again

A POLITICO review of the 10 weeks (out of 30 so far) where journalists have declared that the president hit a new low.

By DARREN SAMUELSOHN

08/19/2017 07:42 AM EDT
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#1503627 --- 08/19/17 06:19 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: ThomasDecker]
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So a bunch of violent leftist protesters riot in the streets and want to tear down monuments of democrats and you think it's Trump's fault?
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#1503631 --- 08/19/17 07:54 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: The Mechanic]
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firebrand Coulter repeatedly attacked President Trump for betraying his constituency, and belittled aides such as Kellyanne Conway and Stephen Miller.

So much for “In Trump We Trust.”

“I’m ticked off at the Emperor God,” said right-wing firebrand Ann Coulter, who last year authored a book with that worshipful title (subtitle: “E Pluribus Awesome”), as she processed Friday’s firing of chief White House strategist Stephen K. Bannon.

Increasingly disgusted and disheartened by the president’s inability, or unwillingness, to fulfill the anti-immigration, anti-Wall Street, anti-globalist promises for which Coulter had been one of his more impassioned supporters, she now refers to Trump sarcastically as a deity/monarch in his own megalomaniacal mind.

“If Trump wants to prove that he didn’t get the good ideas from Bannon, then it better be pedal-to-the-metal on deportations, the Wall, that tax hike on people who make more than $5 million a year, which I understand was Bannon’s idea but perhaps I was wrong. If that was Trump’s idea, then let’s have it!... Did you hear that on Wall Street, they were cheering today?”

In a conversation that amounted to a primal scream, Coulter repeatedly attacked her former hero for betraying his constituency, belittled White House aides such as Kellyanne Conway and Stephen Miller, accused the president of kowtowing to the same news media he professes to loathe, and otherwise raged at the dying of the wall along with any number of other populist policy prescriptions that Trump touted to beat the Republican establishment and Hillary Clinton.
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#1503637 --- 08/19/17 08:30 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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40,000 protest against racism in Boston as 'free speech' rally ends early

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Above is from Fox News. But when you click on the link, it doesn't show 40,000. Liars

http://www.foxnews.com/

Conservative activists cut short a planned rally in Boston on Saturday as thousands of counterprotesters chanted anti-Nazi slogans and waved signs condemning white nationalism.
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#1503638 --- 08/19/17 08:32 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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Donald J. Trump
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Looks like many anti-police agitators in Boston. Police are looking tough and smart! Thank you.
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#1503639 --- 08/19/17 08:36 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.guacamoley.com/covfefe/2017/0...25233ff5ad8dbb3

Trump’s Charlottesville Winery Has Absolutely No Connection To Him
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By Mark Joseph Sophia
1 day ago

The winery that Trump has claimed to own denies having anything to do with him.

At the tail end of President Donald Trump's ill-fated press conference earlier this week at which he claimed there was "blame on both sides" for the violence in Charlottesville, Trump boasted of owning a winery in Charlottesville, Virginia.

turns out this "Trump winery" in fact does not belong to Donald Trump at all. They even have disclaimers on their website clarifying as much:

"Trump Winery is a registered trade name of Eric Trump Wine Manufacturing LLC, which is not owned, managed, or affiliated with Donald J. Trump, The Trump Organization, or any of their affiliates."
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#1503640 --- 08/19/17 08:39 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: The Mechanic]
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Originally Posted By: The Mechanic
So a bunch of violent leftist protesters riot in the streets and want to tear down monuments of democrats and you think it's Trump's fault?
Monuments of democrats? Where did that come from? They were statues of an Army that wanted to destroy the USA.
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#1503648 --- 08/19/17 09:35 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: The Mechanic
So a bunch of violent leftist protesters riot in the streets and want to tear down monuments of democrats and you think it's Trump's fault?
Monuments of democrats? Where did that come from? They were statues of an Army that wanted to destroy the USA.
It's part of history Kyle! We see pictures of Obama at the white house! You want to take them down because he was such a failure?

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#1503669 --- 08/19/17 11:50 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585


40,000 protest


40,000 more reasons to vote for Trump again. 40,000 more reasons to own and carry guns.
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#1503670 --- 08/19/17 11:57 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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Monuments of democrats? Where did that come from? They were statues of an Army that wanted to destroy the USA.


They were democrats hell bent on keeping slavery alive and keeping their slaves.

The democrats are the one's who voted to erect those monuments.
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#1503677 --- 08/20/17 01:54 AM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: The Mechanic]
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Originally Posted By: The Mechanic
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Monuments of democrats? Where did that come from? They were statues of an Army that wanted to destroy the USA.
They were democrats hell bent on keeping slavery alive and keeping their slaves.

The democrats are the one's who voted to erect those monuments.
Really? Can you show me a source for that or are you making this stuff up like gassy? That certainly is not case today.

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The Democratic and Republican Parties have undergone a long transition from their founding ideological principles. The Democrats started out as the conservative party but are now the liberal party, and the Republicans were once the liberal party but are now the conservative party.

The Democratic Party we know today evolved from the conservative Democratic-Republican Party of the 1790’s. The first contested Presidential election was in 1796. The Democratic-Republican Party nominated the conservative Thomas Jefferson as their first presidential nominee. Party members were anti-federalists who favored state sovereignty, free markets, a decentralized federal government, and an originalist interpretation of the U.S. Constitution and the attendant Bill of Rights. The Democratic-Republican Party also supported the institution of slavery.

Democratic President Martin Van Buren presided over the panic of 1837, and during that time he was steadfastly opposed to using the government as a means of employing workers on public works projects. In fact, during this economic depression Van Buren literally sold the federal government’s tool supply so that the government could not use the tools for public works projects. This ideological mindset is diametrically opposite of the economic stimulus proposals that contemporary Democrats now support and advocate for, especially during periods of economic morass.

Similarly, the Republican Party has also experienced significant ideological alterations. Founded in 1856, it was the liberal counterweight to the conservative Democratic Party, opposing the expansion of slavery, supporting more money for public education, and advocating a more liberal immigration policy.

The original liberal bent of the Republican Party is especially evidenced by the 1888 Presidential election where Republican Benjamin Harrison was elected President by advocating a liberal platform. He favored expanding the money supply, expanding the protective tariff, and allocating munificent funding for social services. Harrison lost his re-election bid in 1892 to Democrat Grover Cleveland, who advocated a conservative platform, including maintaining the gold standard, reducing the protective tariff, and supporting a lassie faire approach to government intervention in the economy.

Then in 1896 as the country was mired in another depression, there was a move afoot in the Democratic Party to abandon the conservative orthodoxy of Van Buren and Cleveland, and to undertake a radically different ideological approach. To the chagrin of the Democratic high command, the party took a leap of faith when it nominated the 36-year-old firebrand populist William Jennings Bryan. Nicknamed “The Great Commoner,” Bryan advocated a liberal platform. He opposed the gold standard, advocated an interventionist role for the government in the economy, and supported an expansion of the money supply. He was the first liberal to win the Democratic Party Presidential nomination. This represented a radical departure from the conservative roots of the Democratic Party.

In response to the nomination of Bryan by the Democrats, the Republican Party countered by straying away from its liberal beginnings and nominating the moderate-conservative Ohio Governor William McKinley, who, like Harrison, was a proponent of a strong protective tariff, but who, unlike Harrison, favored the Gold Standard. This incensed many old-line progressive Republicans. Some even defected to the Democratic Party to support Bryan. McKinley won handily and was re-elected in a rematch with Bryan in 1900.

The paradigm of the Democrats being the center-right party and the Republicans being the center-left party remained for much of the nineteenth century. However, this all changed when the Democrats nominated William Jennings Bryan, ushering in a transitional era where both parties had a significant liberal and a significant conservative bloodline.

Nomination battles within both parties were usually battles between conservative and progressive wings of each party. In 1912, the Progressive former President Theodore Roosevelt challenged the more conservative incumbent President William Howard Taft for the Republican Party nomination. Though Taft won just one primary, Massachusetts, he garnered the Party’s nomination by winning enough delegates at the Republican National Convention in Chicago. Roosevelt, who won nine Republican primaries, bolted the party and formed the Progressive Party, a.k.a. the Bull Moose Party, and won 86 electoral votes in the General Election. Taft won just eight Electoral Votes. The Democratic nominee, New Jersey Governor Woodrow Wilson, mustered 435 Electoral votes and won the Presidential Election in a landslide victory.

Similarly, in 1924 there was opposition from the progressive wing of the GOP when conservative Calvin Coolidge pocketed the Republican Presidential nomination. Coolidge, who assumed the Presidency on the death of Warren G. Harding in 1923, was challenged for the Republican nomination by U.S. Senator Hiram Johnson (R-CA). Johnson defeated Coolidge in the South Dakota primary, but failed to garner much electoral traction. With the Democrats also nominating a conservative, John W. Davis, disgruntled Progressives in both major parties deserted their nominees and supported the newly formed Progressive Party, which nominated Republican Robert M. La Follette Sr. for President and Democrat Burton Wheeler for Vice President. The ticket won a formidable 16.6% of the popular vote. Twelve liberal Republican U.S. House members supported the La Follette Candidacy and were expelled from the Republican caucus by conservative U.S. House Speaker Nicholas Longworth (R-OH).

Liberals and conservatives had an uneasy cohabitation in both parties. In the South, opposition to Lyndon B. Johnson’s Great Society emanated from what came to be known as “the conservative coalition,” consisting of conservative (mostly Southern) Democrats and Western Republicans.

In their 1976 bid for their respective party’s nomination, Republican Ronald Reagan and Democrat George C. Wallace fought for the same conservative voters. After Wallace lost the Democratic Primary in Florida and his chances at securing his party’s nomination were dim, the Reagan campaign ran an advertisement urging Wallace supporters to cross over and vote for Reagan in the Republican Primary. A voter appearing in the advertisement intones: “I’ve been a Democrat my whole life, a conservative Democrat. As much as I hate to admit it, Wallace can’t be nominated, Ronald Reagan can.”

Since that time, there has been a gradual ideological homogeneity within both parties. Conservative Democrats and Liberal Republican were either defeated for re-election, retired from office, or became Republicans.

Over the last decade we have witnessed the near end of progressive Republicans. This is evidenced by the defeat of U.S. Representatives Connie Morella of Maryland and Christopher Shays of Connecticut, and by the egressing from the GOP of former U.S. Senators James Jeffords of Vermont and Lincoln Chaffee of Rhode Island, both liberal Republicans.

The final nail in the coffin for conservative Democrats occurred in 2010 when the three most conservative Democratic members of the U.S. House of Representatives (Bobby Bright (AL), Walt Minnick (ID), and Gene Taylor (MS)) lost their re-election bids. All three representatives voted against President Barack Obama’s Stimulus Plan, the Cap-and-Trade legislation, and the Health Care Reform package.

With the stock of liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats nearly depleted, the Republican Party is now the conservative party and the Democratic Party is now the liberal party. This is an ideological reversal. The U.S. now mirrors many parliamentary systems in that the ideological outliers are de-minimis. Outliers who get elected are also usually the most electorally vulnerable in that they invariably represent states and Congressional districts inhospitable to their party’s ideology. The Republican Party, once the liberal party is now the conservative Party. The Democratic Party, once the conservative party is now the liberal Party. The ideological role reversal is now complete.
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#1503708 --- 08/20/17 01:33 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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Great article.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/20/why-there-are-no-nazi-statues-in-germany-215510

Why There Are No Nazi Statues in Germany

What the South can learn from post-war Europe.

By JOSHUA ZEITZ August 20, 2017

“Whatever else I may forget,” the ex-slave and abolitionist Frederick Douglass said in 1894, “I shall never forget the difference between those who fought for liberty and those who fought for slavery.” Douglass (who is doing an amazing job and is being recognized more and more) deplored an emerging national consensus that the Civil War had been fought over vague philosophical disagreements about federalism and states’ rights, but not over the core issue of slavery. In this retelling, neither side was right or wrong, and both Confederate and Union soldiers were to be celebrated for their battlefield valor.

Douglass was right to be concerned. Southerners may have lost the Civil War, but between the 1890s and 1920s they won the first great battle over its official memory. They fought that battle in popular literature, history books and college curricula, but also on hundreds of courthouse steps and city squares, where they erected monuments to Confederate veterans and martyrs. These statues reinforced the romance of reunion.

Now, a century and a half after the Civil War, Americans are finally confronting the propriety of celebrating the lives of men who committed treason in the name of preserving slavery. That these statues even exist is unusual. When armies are defeated on their own soil—particularly when those armies fight to promote racist or genocidal policies—they usually don’t get to keep their symbols and material culture. As some commentators have noted, Germany in 1945 is a useful comparison. “Flags were torn down while defeated cities still burned, even as citizens crawling from the rubble were just realizing that the governments they represented had ended,” wrote a reporter for McClatchy. Most physical relics of the Nazi regime were banished from public view. In this sense, the example of Germany’s post-war de-Nazification may offer a way forward for the United States.

Yet history tells a more complicated story. In its initial years, de-Nazification had only limited impact. It would take time, generational change and external events to make Germany what it is today—a vibrant democracy that is notably less permissive of racism, extremism and fascism than the United States. Tearing down the symbols of Nazi terror was a necessary first step—but it didn’t ensure overnight political or cultural transformation. It required a longer process of public reconciliation with history for Germans to acknowledge their shared responsibility for the legacy of Nazism.

The vast majority of Americans have long agreed that the destruction of slavery was a just outcome of the Civil War . But in continuing to honor Confederate leaders and deny their crimes, we signal that the United States has not yet fully come to terms with its collective responsibility for the dual sins of slavery and Jim Crow.


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#1503710 --- 08/20/17 01:52 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/tr...ree-key-n794061

President Donald Trump’s job approval rating in three key states that helped propel him to the White House — Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — stands below 40 percent, according to a trio of NBC News/Marist polls.

In addition, Democrats enjoy double-digit leads in Michigan and Pennsylvania on the question of which party voters prefer to control Congress after the 2018 midterms, and they hold an 8-point advantage in Wisconsin.

In all three states, more than six in 10 voters say Trump’s conduct as president has embarrassed them, compared to just a quarter who have said it’s made them proud.

These three NBC/Marist polls were conducted August 13-17 — after the Aug. 12 unrest and violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, and in the midst of Trump’s multiple responses to the events.
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#1503711 --- 08/20/17 01:54 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-t...ear-cap-n794281

After the events of the last week, when violent clashes broke out at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, and President Trump faced bipartisan repudiation for his responses, one former member of Republican leadership has warned that if political leaders stay silent on what's happened, “they wear the cap.”

“Over the last seven months, there’s been ample opportunity to disagree with the president on many issues,” said former Republican Congressman J.C. Watts, who was previously the first African-American elected state-wide in Oklahoma, on Sunday’s “Meet The Press.”

After the events of the last week, when violent clashes broke out at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, and President Trump faced bipartisan repudiation for his responses, one former member of Republican leadership has warned that if political leaders stay silent on what's happened, “they wear the cap.”

“Over the last seven months, there’s been ample opportunity to disagree with the president on many issues,” said former Republican Congressman J.C. Watts, who was previously the first African-American elected state-wide in Oklahoma, on Sunday’s “Meet The Press.”

“This is not a time for us to be afraid of being tweeted. This is not a time for us to suppress our convictions. I know a lot of those members of Congress and they don’t think like that,” he told host Chuck Todd, referring to white supremacists and the KKK.

“However, Chuck, if they are silent, they wear the cap, either intentionally or unintentionally, they wear the cap saying, ‘we agree with that.’"
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#1503725 --- 08/20/17 06:13 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/tr...ree-key-n794061

President Donald Trump’s job approval rating in three key states that helped propel him to the White House — Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — stands below 40 percent, according to a trio of NBC News/Marist polls.

In addition, Democrats enjoy double-digit leads in Michigan and Pennsylvania on the question of which party voters prefer to control Congress after the 2018 midterms, and they hold an 8-point advantage in Wisconsin.

In all three states, more than six in 10 voters say Trump’s conduct as president has embarrassed them, compared to just a quarter who have said it’s made them proud.

These three NBC/Marist polls were conducted August 13-17 — after the Aug. 12 unrest and violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, and in the midst of Trump’s multiple responses to the events.
OH BOY! You are relying on polls again! LOL!

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#1503755 --- 08/20/17 08:15 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE LOSING! [Re: gassy one]
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OH BOY! You are relying on polls again! LOL!
I have seen Trump talk about polls he liked. I have seen you talk about polls you like but there aren't any of them any more.
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