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#1488054 --- 08/10/16 09:35 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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Originally Posted By: Mr. 2U
Some of that money should go to the Geneva Police Department, maybe then the PD could hire more officers to patrol the neighborhoods and help rid the Geneva streets of drugs and guns.

OR... we can do as so many other's have successfully done though legalization/regulation of recreational drugs and by instituting STRONG gun control measures such as expanding background-checks.

https://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years...ning#.PJdaP6jaX
http://smartgunlaws.org/effectiveness-brady-actbackground-checks/

But I digress...
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#1488690 --- 08/23/16 06:38 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: justacitizen]
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believe there is about 30 acres of vacant land in the industrial park not being used

install solar panels on the 30 acres

should see about $200,000 each year back to the city

if a business wants to locate on a portion of the land then the solar panels in that area can be removed
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#1488720 --- 08/23/16 09:43 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: bluezone]
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First of all, at current rates, 30 acres of solar collectors would generate FAR more than $200,000 annually.

Secondly, I doubt you'd find a tax-based business model that could compete with whatever profits were realized through such a comprehensive solar farm.

It takes 2.8 acres of land to generate 1GWh of solar energy per year. 30 acres would power almost 1000 homes for one year.

Just sayin'.
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#1488727 --- 08/23/16 10:33 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Timbo]
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Gun laws like Chicago grin

www.breitbart.com/.../dozens-shot-four-killed-weekend-gun-controlled-chicago/&#8206;Cached1 day ago ... Dozens were shot--four fatally--over the weekend in heavily gun controlled
Chicago. ... She was shot while attending “a vigil for another shooting victim. ...
Saturday into Sunday” — someone was shot in Chicago “every 33 minutes. ... According to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, CT has universal ...
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#1488729 --- 08/23/16 10:44 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Gun laws like Chicago grin

www.breitbart.com/.../dozens-shot-four-killed-weekend-gun-controlled-chicago/&#8206;Cached1 day ago ... Dozens were shot--four fatally--over the weekend in heavily gun controlled
Chicago. ... She was shot while attending “a vigil for another shooting victim. ...
Saturday into Sunday” — someone was shot in Chicago “every 33 minutes. ... According to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, CT has universal ...

Different argument, different thread.
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#1488754 --- 08/24/16 05:41 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
I doubt you'd find a tax-based business model that could compete with whatever profits were realized through such a comprehensive solar farm.


they city owns the land
the city would have the solar panels to generate yearly income / reduce their electric costs

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#1488759 --- 08/24/16 07:53 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
I doubt you'd find a tax-based business model that could compete with whatever profits were realized through such a comprehensive solar farm.


they city owns the land
the city would have the solar panels to generate yearly income / reduce their electric costs

That's precisely my point. So why do you suggest removing the panels for other less profitable, taxed-based forms of revenue??? confused
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#1488764 --- 08/24/16 10:01 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Downeaster63]
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These aren't mutually exclusive outcomes - a business could put the panels on their roof. The bigger problem is having the infrastructure to send that much juice back up the line.

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#1488814 --- 08/25/16 07:13 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
The bigger problem is having the infrastructure to send that much juice back up the line.


with it being located in the industrial park the capacity should be there

guardian glass consumes large amounts of electric to melt the glass
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#1488881 --- 08/26/16 03:27 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Downeaster63]
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Guardian uses natural gas, subsidized by us, to melt the glass.

The capacity might be there, but the conductors get smaller as you approach the load, which is the opposite of the arrangement you want if you want to be a source of power. Zoos had this problem when they installed their windmills.

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#1488885 --- 08/26/16 06:32 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
The capacity might be there, but the conductors get smaller as you approach the load, which is the opposite of the arrangement you want if you want to be a source of power. Zoos had this problem when they installed their windmills.


how many solar panels would the current system allow without any upgrades?
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#1488928 --- 08/26/16 02:11 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Downeaster63]
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I don't know. If you recall NYSEG wasn't very cooperative on the Zotos project.

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#1488973 --- 08/28/16 05:40 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Tacitus]
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believe a local solar company purchased about 60 acres off county road 6 and put 30 acres of solar panels in

if there is capacity on that road then there should be enough capacity at the industrial park

even if it costs money to ugrade the system the pay back will be for the many years

run a direct line (metered) to the businesses in the industrial park and any surplus could go to the grid

power could go to the city treatment plant nearby and the surplus back to the grid
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#1488975 --- 08/28/16 05:47 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus

The capacity might be there, but the conductors get smaller as you approach the load, which is the opposite of the arrangement you want if you want to be a source of power. Zotos had this problem when they installed their windmills.


if the capacity is there then run a line over to where zotos connected to grid
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#1489006 --- 08/29/16 07:47 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Tacitus
The capacity might be there, but the conductors get smaller as you approach the load, which is the opposite of the arrangement you want if you want to be a source of power. Zoos had this problem when they installed their windmills.


how many solar panels would the current system allow without any upgrades?


Solar panels supply current but to run a plant on large capacity holding batteries isn't feasible not to mention being in a region where sunlight isn't optimal. Windmills work in conjunction (with NYSEG's grid) part of the plant on purchased electricity while another parts of plant are on the windmills. It can be further noted that irrespective of usage of solar or windmills,many plants will take advantage of using NYSEG's grid because they pay a certain monthly rate if they use it or not.
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#1489017 --- 08/30/16 01:45 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Solar panels supply current but to run a plant on large capacity holding batteries isn't feasible


batteries never mentioned
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#1489031 --- 08/30/16 09:16 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: bluezone]
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Do some research on solar system but in your infinite wisdom, you can explain how electric is stored when the sun isn't out.
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#1489091 --- 08/31/16 08:03 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Do some research on solar system
can you say g-r-i-d?

Originally Posted By: Formermac
you can explain how electric is stored when the sun isn't out.


when the sun is out the solar panels produce dc that is converted to ac that can either be used on site or sent back to the grid

when the sun ain't out the solar panels do not produce dc so there is no reason for 'storage'... whistle
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#1489092 --- 08/31/16 08:06 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: bluezone]
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ROTFLMBO, know why I'm laughing? I worked on that project....care to proceed?
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#1489093 --- 08/31/16 08:07 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Formermac]
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Find out what a converter is and what it does. STILL LAUGHING
While you're at it look up a disconnect switch and how you switch from GRID to plant generators or solar system.


Edited by Formermac (08/31/16 08:12 PM)
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