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#1487020 --- 07/17/16 07:02 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: pingu]
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If memory serves,wasn't there a pedestrian bridge over 5&20 in the early 70's or so,and was it removed when improvements were made to the road or was it just because it had seen it's better days?

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#1487033 --- 07/17/16 11:05 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: pingu]
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Very well put Pingu.......

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#1487047 --- 07/18/16 09:59 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: roundtable]
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Originally Posted By: roundtable
Where has it happened here?

You don't close the doors, after the horses have left the barn.
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#1487048 --- 07/18/16 10:08 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: pingu]
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Originally Posted By: pingu
Just a response to this in general.

Here we go with the paranoid, "they will take all our lakefront away for the elite." Geneva has nearly 50 acres of lakefront. Of course some people want nothing to happen at all on the lakefront and maybe even wouldn't mind tearing down the entire downtown district because that's lakefront, too isn't it?

Okay, enough with the greedy dog mentality. We have a city with 60% off the tax roles, there is property where no one would loose their precious use or view of the lakefront AND still get some solid taxable property back. Sound interested or are you one of the "I don't care what you say" crowd that cannot be reasoned with no matter how well thought out the idea is. No solutions from those folks, just object to everything that is not their idea.

Does everyone know that there is a permanent easement along the entire lake shore that prohibits any development? So all these panicked links to folks losing access is complete BS in Geneva because they already thought of it and made sure it wouldn't happen.

I for one would love to see some really nice and amazing pedestrian bridge built over the highway to link downtown and the lake.

Timbo and others at least brings some thoughtful insight to the subject. If you object, than bring some thoughtful alternatives and be sure that any development doesn't ruin it since you can't make more lake front property.

As a point of fact... NY has archaic, yet still in-place maritime trade laws on the books. ALL bodies of water navigable by boat (no matter how small), have public right to "reasonable portage" (temporary easement) along any obstructed shoreline wether on public OR private land. Some restrictions around sensitive locations apply.

Even with such fully active laws, private communities have been built that can and do trespass upon public easements.
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#1487288 --- 07/22/16 05:10 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Downeaster63]
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Some of that money should go to the Geneva Police Department, maybe then the PD could hire more officers to patrol the neighborhoods and help rid the Geneva streets of drugs and guns.
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#1487320 --- 07/23/16 06:13 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Bowler1]
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Originally Posted By: Bowler1
If memory serves, wasn't there a pedestrian bridge over 5&20 in the early 70's or so, and was it removed when improvements were made to the road or was it just because it had seen it's better days?
Yes, there was a bridge, it didn't get used that much. Then it became a problem because, at night, people were dropping things on passing cars. crazy The answer is another TUNNEL grin
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#1487407 --- 07/25/16 10:37 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Yes, there was a bridge, it didn't get used that much. Then it became a problem because, at night, people were dropping things on passing cars. crazy The answer is another TUNNEL grin


why build a bridge?

just do as HWS has done along south main and pulteney street

get out some white paint and paint some crosswalks along 5 & 20

if the HWS students can stop high volumes of traffic along south main street just to get their cars parked on the east side of the street then taxpayers should be able to stop high volumes of traffic on 5 & 20 to get to the lakefront grin

ain't it a state law that anyone in a crosswalk can stop traffic no matter how high the volume of traffic?
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#1487409 --- 07/25/16 11:23 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: pingu]
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Originally Posted By: pingu
Just a response to this in general.

Here we go with the paranoid, "they will take all our lakefront away for the elite." Geneva has nearly 50 acres of lakefront. Of course some people want nothing to happen at all on the lakefront and maybe even wouldn't mind tearing down the entire downtown district because that's lakefront, too isn't it?

Okay, enough with the greedy dog mentality. We have a city with 60% off the tax roles, there is property where no one would loose their precious use or view of the lakefront AND still get some solid taxable property back. Sound interested or are you one of the "I don't care what you say" crowd that cannot be reasoned with no matter how well thought out the idea is. No solutions from those folks, just object to everything that is not their idea.

Does everyone know that there is a permanent easement along the entire lake shore that prohibits any development? So all these panicked links to folks losing access is complete BS in Geneva because they already thought of it and made sure it wouldn't happen.


the ramada will be making a $2.1 million tax payment
it is on about 5 acres of lakefront land

of the 50 acres of lakefront use the 30 acres closest to the state park for development

30 acres divided by 5 acres equals 6

if the ramada with 5 acres makes a $2.1 million payment on 5 acres then the city should be able to get about $12.6 million in taxes from the 30 acres developed each year

keep a 30 foot right of way for the walking trail along the lake

does it make sense to have a frisbee golf course on those 30 acres of lakefront and lose well over $12 million in taxes each year?

taxpayers will see a lower tax bill and the city could provide the taxpayers with a free state park pass each year (currently $65 per season)

with homeowners seeing a lower tax bill then that will encourage middle income familes to buy homes in the city rather than buying homes in the town

have the state park use a larger portion of the money from the increased park passes to improve the local state park - roads need repair, areas need to be mowed, repairs to the buildings...

the city would see more yearly sales tax revenue from the county with a higher taxable property with the development of the 30 acres of lakefront
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#1487449 --- 07/26/16 03:48 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: bluezone]
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Many times I dont really agree with you Bluezone but I am totally on board with your post about the use of the property at the lake that would help we over burdened taxpayers!!!!

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#1487463 --- 07/26/16 09:03 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: roundtable]
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another question that needs to be looked at is - did the city get the $10 million because of the high poverty rate (25%)?

if the poverty rate played a major role in gaining the $10 million then the city manager should contact the county and see if the county should divert more money to the city of geneva as they are taking in a large amount of the poverty when compared to the rest of the county

if the poverty was spread through out the county equally and not all funneled to the city of geneva then other localities would have a financial burden

currently the city of geneva is being forced to shoulder the high poverty rate while the remaining parts of the county do not have the same situation

the geneva city manager should explain to the county that the county can either offer yearly financial assistance to the city of geneva to help address the high poverty rate or the county can turn its back on the city of geneva.

down the road when the city of geneva is financially ruined by the high poverty rate then the county will be dragged down with the city

the county can either offer modest assistance now or wait until the problem is beyond hope

helping out the city of geneva will only help to make the entire county much stronger


there should be some monetary number as to how much each percent of poverty rate places a financial burden on the city


if for example 1% of poverty leads to an additional $100,000 of city funds spent than the city of geneva has to cover an additional $2,500,000 for a poverty level of 25% each year

the city of geneva should ask the county to cover a larger portion of that $2,500,000 money spent for poverty related conditions in order to help out the entire county
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#1487464 --- 07/26/16 09:16 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: roundtable]
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Originally Posted By: roundtable
I am totally on board with your post about the use of the property at the lake that would help we over burdened taxpayers!!!!


if development were to occur closer to the state park then a stop light would be installed for access to a road to the new development

the stop light would be closer to the state park entrance

from that stop light traveling towards the city the speed could be reduced to 30 mph allowing people to cross at crosswalks to encourage use the lakefront

the city and ramada could partner to open a small beach to attract more people to the lakefront

the beach is currently there it just needs a lifeguard

fence it in and those that are not city homeowners would be charged a small fee to cover the cost of the lifeguards
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#1487482 --- 07/27/16 08:04 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: bluezone]
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Exactly right Bluezone. What is this city's problem with that lake front???? No vision?

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#1487507 --- 07/28/16 07:36 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: roundtable]
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not sure why there is talk about a pedestrian bridge

there are crosswalks/stoplights at lake street/5&20 and also at castle street/5&20

there are crosswalks at elizabethblackwell street but there are no stoplights at that location

if people are concerned about the crosswalks at elizabeth blackwell street then the city could install a 'pedestrian crossing' light

when people want to cross at that location there could be a push button mounted on a pole on both sides

when the button is pushed then a stoplight style light facing 5&20 both ways would change from green to yellow then to red

the duration from green to yellow to red would be timed like all other stop lights to allow traffic to stop safely

when the light is red is when people would cross as the traffic would be stopped for a brief moment to let people cross

far less to pay for a 'pedestrian light' than a pedestrian bridge

if a pedestrian light is needed between the area of lake street and the state park entrance then it could be installed there as well
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#1487714 --- 08/02/16 03:52 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Downeaster63]
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Any chance of seeing a Boat Museum with this money, that would be a great investment? People from all walks of life will flock to the City to see the history of boats and nautical themed items!!!
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#1487722 --- 08/02/16 09:54 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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Originally Posted By: Mr. 2U
Any chance of seeing a Boat Museum with this money, that would be a great investment? People from all walks of life will flock to the City to see the history of boats and nautical themed items!!!
Didn't that ship sail a few years ago all the way to Hammondsport?

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#1487751 --- 08/03/16 03:41 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Downeaster63]
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Yes, it's hard to believe we need two boat museums, and I'd like to know if the one in Hammondsport is self supporting. OR are they yet another entity (Dove Block?) that claims they need to be supported by tax dollars because of the multiplier effect they have on tourism?

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#1487788 --- 08/04/16 01:00 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Downeaster63]
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You people are clueless. That money is going straight to Linden Street and everyone who has their hands in that street's pockets. This grant and the comprehensive plan will have no benefit to anyone actually paying taxes and off Linden St.

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#1487809 --- 08/04/16 08:01 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: breakingbad]
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You are so right. Let's keep giving more to Geneva's socially elite while doing nothing that will lower taxes.

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#1487845 --- 08/05/16 06:56 PM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: breakingbad]
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Originally Posted By: breakingbad
You people are clueless. That money is going straight to Linden Street and everyone who has their hands in that street's pockets. This grant and the comprehensive plan will have no benefit to anyone actually paying taxes and off Linden St.
Do you mean the lady lawyer ?
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#1488031 --- 08/10/16 12:15 AM Re: $10 Million for Geneva! [Re: Lucinda Knotts]
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Originally Posted By: Lucinda Knotts
Originally Posted By: Mr. 2U
Any chance of seeing a Boat Museum with this money, that would be a great investment? People from all walks of life will flock to the City to see the history of boats and nautical themed items!!!
Didn't that ship sail a few years ago all the way to Hammondsport?


is it true that the ones running the museum back then did not get enough funding to even open the museum but yet they wanted the city taxpayers to pay for all the operations?
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