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#1483826 --- 04/13/16 07:18 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: teedoff27]
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Have you noticed that kyle and bluezone never mention that the Tribes pay the State 25% of their gambling profits ? grin
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#1483840 --- 04/13/16 09:50 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Have you noticed that kyle and bluezone never mention that the Tribes pay the State 25% of their gambling profits ? grin
The other 75% of their profits they pay no income tax on that a non-Native owner would have to pay.
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#1483854 --- 04/13/16 01:30 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: kyle585]
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" States are limited by federal law on the monies they are authorized to receive from Indian tribe's Class III gaming operations. Section 2710 (d)(4) of the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act states: Additionally, the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act limits how each tribe may expend the revenues they derive from gaming operations. Pursuant to ァ 2710 (b)(2), the Chairman of the National Indian Gaming Commission may not approve any tribal ordinances or resolution for the conduct of Class II gaming if net revenues from the tribal gaming are to be used for purposes other than to:


付o fund tribal government operations or programs;
付o provide for the general welfare of the Indian tribe and its members;
付o promote tribal economic development;
付o donate to charitable organizations; or
付o help fund operations of local government agencies


https://www.gaming.ny.gov/gaming/indianFAQ.php

They are just abiding by the law
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#1483893 --- 04/14/16 09:42 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Have you noticed that kyle and bluezone never mention that the Tribes pay the State 25% of their gambling profits ? grin


In addition to the 25% they also collect and submit a bed tax for their 4 hotels and food and beverage tax resort wide(Deal for a NYS Liquor License).

However I have $1,000 that says the day Del Lago opens is the day Halbritter stops paying the taxes and 25% in retaliation. Just like the Seneca's did to NYS with the 50% profit cut to NYS for Seneca Niagara Casino when they lost the right to sell tax free *branded* cigarettes
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#1483899 --- 04/14/16 12:55 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: teedoff27]
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It would be a whole lot easier to form a LLC and buy Wilmot out, there are a lot of Native Americans who you can't tell they're Native Americans grin
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#1483901 --- 04/14/16 02:57 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
there are a lot of Native Americans who you can't tell they're Native Americans grin
Right. They may be 1/2, 1/4, 1/16, etc. They are all American citizens and we can't change the past.
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#1484310 --- 05/03/16 10:19 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Have you noticed that kyle and bluezone never mention that the Tribes pay the State 25% of their gambling profits ? grin


are those the 'tribal' casinos on the Federal 'reservations' in NYS?

LOL

did the 'tribe' get Federal approval for those casinos?
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#1484312 --- 05/03/16 10:25 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
" States are limited by federal law on the monies they are authorized to receive from Indian tribe's Class III gaming operations. Section 2710 (d)(4) of the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act states: Additionally, the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act limits how each tribe may expend the revenues they derive from gaming operations. Pursuant to ァ 2710 (b)(2), the Chairman of the National Indian Gaming Commission may not approve any tribal ordinances or resolution for the conduct of Class II gaming if net revenues from the tribal gaming are to be used for purposes other than to:


付o fund tribal government operations or programs;
付o provide for the general welfare of the Indian tribe and its members;
付o promote tribal economic development;
付o donate to charitable organizations; or
付o help fund operations of local government agencies


https://www.gaming.ny.gov/gaming/indianFAQ.php

They are just abiding by the law




just checked google maps

NO Federal 'reservations' located in NYS

it appears the 'tribes' have been operating above the laws by even running any casino in NYS
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#1484415 --- 05/09/16 02:06 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
" States are limited by federal law on the monies they are authorized to receive from Indian tribe's Class III gaming operations. Section 2710 (d)(4) of the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act states: Additionally, the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act limits how each tribe may expend the revenues they derive from gaming operations. Pursuant to ァ 2710 (b)(2), the Chairman of the National Indian Gaming Commission may not approve any tribal ordinances or resolution for the conduct of Class II gaming if net revenues from the tribal gaming are to be used for purposes other than to:


付o fund tribal government operations or programs;
付o provide for the general welfare of the Indian tribe and its members;
付o promote tribal economic development;
付o donate to charitable organizations; or
付o help fund operations of local government agencies


https://www.gaming.ny.gov/gaming/indianFAQ.php

They are just abiding by the law



Quote:

In its legal arguments, the Seneca Nation "expressly acknowledges that, as a general principle, New York State has the authority to require reservation retailers to collect excise taxes on sales to non-Indians," Arcara wrote.


tell the 'tribes' to send in their late cig and gas taxes

make sure they abide by the laws...
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#1484541 --- 05/13/16 06:00 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

Bernie Sanders to Visit Pine Ridge, Rapid City, and Sioux Falls: South Dakota Tribal Members Weigh In

Indian Country Today
Sarah Sunshine Manning

5/12/16

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders will be bringing his message to three South Dakota communities on Thursday, making visits to the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Rapid City, and Sioux Falls. The Vermont Senator痴 campaign platform and background in social justice work has captivated many throughout Indian Country, and consequently, his visit to South Dakota is especially significant to many South Dakota tribal members.

展e are honored that Bernie Sanders is taking the time to come to the Oglala Lakota Nation to hear our issues involving treaties, health care, and housing, said Tom Poor Bear, Vice President of the Oglala Sioux Tribe of Pine Ridge.


and which 'treaties' mentioned anything about free healthcare and free housing?

or voting in a US election whistle
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#1484542 --- 05/13/16 06:16 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Have you noticed that kyle and bluezone never mention that the Tribes pay the State 25% of their gambling profits ? grin


you have no stance to boast

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#1484546 --- 05/13/16 06:40 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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You just post tribe stuff to detract from your sister in-law's antics.
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#1484558 --- 05/13/16 08:30 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
and which 'treaties' mentioned anything about free healthcare and free housing?

or voting in a US election whistle

Oh... the US's own clearly specific language establishing occupied native wardship/stewardship (among several other examples). whistle
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#1484562 --- 05/13/16 08:52 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
and which 'treaties' mentioned anything about free healthcare and free housing?

or voting in a US election whistle

Oh... the US's own clearly specific language establishing occupied native wardship/stewardship (among several other examples). whistle


there was no 'treaty' written over 200 years ago mentioning healthcare, housing or voting

keep chasing your tail...

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#1484568 --- 05/13/16 09:40 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
and which 'treaties' mentioned anything about free healthcare and free housing?

or voting in a US election whistle

Oh... the US's own clearly specific language establishing occupied native wardship/stewardship (among several other examples). whistle


there was no 'treaty' written over 200 years ago mentioning healthcare, housing or voting

keep chasing your tail...

Trustship/Wardship... ANOTHER NA Issue that you have absolutely no knowledge of.

* Commerce Clause.
* Cherokee Nation v. Georgia.
* Guardian/Ward Relationship.
* Marshall Trilogy.
* Snyder Act.
* Transfer Act.
* Dawes Act.
* Fourteenth Amendment.
* Fifteenth Amendment.
* Johnson v. McIntosh - Discovery Doctrine.
* United States v. Kagama.
* Tee-Hit-Ton Indians v. United States.
* John Collier and the Indian New Deal.
* Policy of Termination.
* Relocation.
* Fort Laramie Treaty.
* Oklahoma Enabling Act
* Indian Claims Commission.
* Federal Trust Responsibility.
* Indian Health Care Improvement Act.
* Indian Civil Rights Act.
* Voting Rights Act.

So Yes. Treaties and Laws alike (regardless of how many qualifiers you attempt to shoehorn into your farcical argument).
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#1484569 --- 05/13/16 09:41 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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So who ran the reservations in the 1860s 70s and 80s ? What took place on these reservations ?
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#1484573 --- 05/13/16 10:06 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone


there was no 'treaty' written over 200 years ago mentioning healthcare, housing or voting

keep chasing your tail...

Trustship/Wardship... ANOTHER NA Issue that you have absolutely no knowledge of.

* Commerce Clause.
* Cherokee Nation v. Georgia.
* Guardian/Ward Relationship.
* Marshall Trilogy.
* Snyder Act.
* Transfer Act.
* Dawes Act.
* Fourteenth Amendment.
* Fifteenth Amendment.
* Johnson v. McIntosh - Discovery Doctrine.
* United States v. Kagama.
* Tee-Hit-Ton Indians v. United States.
* John Collier and the Indian New Deal.
* Policy of Termination.
* Relocation.
* Fort Laramie Treaty.
* Oklahoma Enabling Act
* Indian Claims Commission.
* Federal Trust Responsibility.
* Indian Health Care Improvement Act.
* Indian Civil Rights Act.
* Voting Rights Act.


So Yes. Treaties and Laws alike (regardless of how many qualifiers you attempt to shoehorn into your farcical argument).


those ain't treaties written 200+ years ago

keep chasing your tail...
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#1484574 --- 05/13/16 10:11 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Trustship/Wardship... ANOTHER NA Issue that you have absolutely no knowledge of.[/size]


is a 'wardship' a 'nation'?
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#1484578 --- 05/13/16 10:28 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
there was no 'treaty' written over 200 years ago mentioning healthcare, housing or voting

keep chasing your tail...

Trustship/Wardship... ANOTHER NA Issue that you have absolutely no knowledge of.




give us any 'treaty' written 200+ years for any NY state 'tribe' that mentioned free healthcare, free housing and voting rights

remember it has to be a 'treaty' written 200+ years ago


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#1484589 --- 05/13/16 09:50 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
did you just dream that up, sounds like it wink
ARTICLE 2.The United States acknowledge the lands reserved to the Oneida, Onondaga, and Cayuga Nations in their respective treaties with the State of New York, and called their reservations, to be their property; and the United States will never claim the same, nor disturb them, or either of the Six Nations, nor their Indian friends, residing thereon, and united with them in the free use and enjoyment thereof; but the said reservations shall remain theirs, until they choose to sell the same to the people of the United States, who have the right to purchase
I know SilverFox answered, but maybe this will clarify it:
"In their respective treaties with the State of New York" is what is acknowledged which means the 1789 Treaty of Albany with the Cayuga and the 1788 Treaty of Ft. Schuyler with the Oneida in which the state bought ALL their lands and it ALL became state land.

What was granted were use rights and the State was the only entity that could buy those use rights because it was state land. "Who have the right to purchase" was distinctly brought out in the second circuit, which dismissed the case.

Unfortunately the case was dismissed based on laches rather than the merits

The feds chad no authority to disestablish a reservation they never owned.

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