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#1483421 --- 03/30/16 05:21 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Here is the kink in the situation. There were 10 Indian Reservations in New York State. None of these reservations were ever Federal Reservations. They were always New York State Reservations. The tribes were given the legal right to use of the reservations lands for as long as they wanted to live there. The Treaty of Canandaigua mentioned the State Reservations existed and stated the Federal government would not interfere with those State reservations. That did not make the State Reservations in to Federal Reservations. Therefore there was never any legal need for the Federal Government to disestablish those reservations because they were State Lands not Federal. When the Indians decided to leave the State Reservations Lands they sold the land back to NYS which they were legally entitled to do and the State was legally entitled to purchase without any interference from the Federal Government. The tribe has been paid by NYS at least 8 times for buying back the reservation land. It was legal and a done deal.

This is based on Article 2 of the Treaty of Canandaigua which has been misinterpreted as making the State Reservations Federal Lands. It did not change the State Lands into a Federal Reservation.

The present day tribe has the legal right to purchase the land on the open market but that will not re-establish a reservation. Any land they buy is not sovereign,nor a reservation. Those lands are subject to all laws and property taxes the same as any other lands owned by non tribe members.


Edited by SilverFox (03/30/16 05:27 PM)
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#1483423 --- 03/30/16 07:29 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: SilverFox]
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did you just dream that up, sounds like it wink
ARTICLE 2.The United States acknowledge the lands reserved to the Oneida, Onondaga, and Cayuga Nations in their respective treaties with the State of New York, and called their reservations, to be their property; and the United States will never claim the same, nor disturb them, or either of the Six Nations, nor their Indian friends, residing thereon, and united with them in the free use and enjoyment thereof; but the said reservations shall remain theirs, until they choose to sell the same to the people of the United States, who have the right to purchase


Edited by Hello_Governer (03/30/16 08:00 PM)
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#1483428 --- 03/30/16 09:47 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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I see the Oneida tribe is now claiming what was the Cayuga Lakeside Entertainment in Union Springs.
http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/owners/oneida-indian-nation
halbritter can not own it
he stated in the newspaper article back when the 'compact' was signed that he needed state approval

is this further proof that there is NOT a cayuga 'reservation'?

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#1483429 --- 03/31/16 12:53 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
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I see the Oneida tribe is now claiming what was the Cayuga Lakeside Entertainment in Union Springs.
http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/owners/oneida-indian-nation
halbritter can not own it
he stated in the newspaper article back when the 'compact' was signed that he needed state approval

is this further proof that there is NOT a cayuga 'reservation'?

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#1483434 --- 03/31/16 08:59 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
In 2005 the Cayuga Nation began to purchase land within its reservation territory


why has halftown applied for trust if it is 'reservation' land?

did the federal government 'ratifiy' the recent 'compact' with the 'tribes' and NYS?

if not then it must be invalid by your position
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#1483438 --- 03/31/16 09:51 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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why did the Seneca Cayugas get shut down, but not the Cayugas crazy
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#1483441 --- 03/31/16 10:05 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Hello_Governer]
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why did harris beach 'forget' to file papers to SCOTUS for the cayuga foreclosure case?
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#1483452 --- 03/31/16 03:56 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
did you just dream that up, sounds like it wink
ARTICLE 2.The United States acknowledge the lands reserved to the Oneida, Onondaga, and Cayuga Nations in their respective treaties with the State of New York, and called their reservations, to be their property; and the United States will never claim the same, nor disturb them, or either of the Six Nations, nor their Indian friends, residing thereon, and united with them in the free use and enjoyment thereof; but the said reservations shall remain theirs, until they choose to sell the same to the people of the United States, who have the right to purchase


Do you not understand what you posted? By your own post I did not dream anything up.

The United States acknowledge the lands reserved to the Oneida, Onondaga, and Cayuga Nations in their respective treaties with the State of New York, and called their reservations, to be their property;[/color] and the United States will never claim the same, nor disturb them...

"The United States ACKNOWLEDEDthe lands reserved..." That in no way converted NYS reservation in to Federal Reservations. The only reservations that require Federal Government to disestablish them are Federal Reservations. There have never been any Federal reservations in NYS. Disestablishment was not required. The only restriction was the sale
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they choose to sell the same to the people of the United States, who have the right to purchase
That was to prevent the land from being sold to a foreign nation. NYS was qualified to buy the land back.

I hope this clarifies Article 2 for you. If not I do not know how else to explain it any clearer for you.
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#1483453 --- 03/31/16 04:04 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
why did the Seneca Cayugas get shut down, but not the Cayugas crazy


They were shut down beside they are considered an out of state tribe because they are located in Oklahoma if I remember correctly. Besides Halftown didn't like the competition and complained to the authorities. The investigation resulted in money laundering through Community Bank accounts.
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#1483457 --- 03/31/16 06:36 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: SilverFox]
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That still doesn't explain why the Cayuga's weren't shut down
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#1483534 --- 04/04/16 11:33 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
the Cayuga's


how many cayuga 'tribal' members were there when the land was sold to NYS over 200 years ago?
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#1483619 --- 04/06/16 06:35 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
the Cayuga's


how many cayuga 'tribal' members were there when the land was sold to NYS over 200 years ago?


BWAHAHAHA!
Sunday would of marked 18 months since my last postnly to return to see you spewing the same drivel.
Have you noticed that all Native businesses are STILL open and STILL untaxed, even though you *claimed* that they were going to be taxed and/or shuttered.

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#1483654 --- 04/07/16 09:24 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
the Cayuga's
how many cayuga 'tribal' members were there when the land was sold to NYS over 200 years ago?
BWAHAHAHA!
Sunday would of marked 18 months since my last postnly to return to see you spewing the same drivel.
Have you noticed that all Native businesses are STILL open and STILL untaxed, even though you *claimed* that they were going to be taxed and/or shuttered.
Yes it is a very sad situation which appears to have no end in sight. frown
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#1483662 --- 04/07/16 12:15 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: kyle585]
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By DAVID L. SHAW
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SENECA FALLS — According to Seneca and Cayuga county officials, the Cayuga Indian Nation owes more than $2 million in unpaid property taxes on land it has purchased since 2008.

And, there is no immediate prospect for retrieving that revenue. State Sen. Mike Nozzolio has worked to get money included in the last three state budgets to partially offset those losses. The recently adopted 2016-17
spending plan includes more than $400,000 for the two counties to help offset the Cayugas’ unpaid taxes, bringing the three-year total to $3.5 million in assistance.

The Cayugas own 1,114 acres in Seneca County and about 250 acres in Cayuga County. Both counties fall within Nozzolio’s district. “It is my pleasure to nnounce that I have been successful in my efforts to offset the financial burden on local taxpayers created by the Cayuga Indian’s refusal to pay their property taxes,” Nozzolio, R-54 of Fayette, said in a press release. “In addition, I will continue to do everything in my power to push for fair and equitable collection of these unpaid property taxes.”

Nozzolio noted that the state funding does not relieve the Cayugas of their financial obligation to the two counties. Nozzolio and others claim the nation does not have a sovereign reservation or land in trust that would exempt them from paying property taxes on land purchased from willing sellers. “As a lifelong resident of Seneca County, I remain firmly committed to doing everything I can to protect our local hardworking taxpayers from this inequity and will continue my efforts to see that the Cayugas pay their fair share of taxes", he concluded.


Edited by kyle585 (04/07/16 12:25 PM)
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#1483663 --- 04/07/16 12:28 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: kyle585]
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By DAVID L. SHAW
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State Sen. Mike Nozzolio has worked to get money included in the last three state budgets to partially offset those losses.
So all NY state tax payers have to help out Seneca County since the Indians refuse to pay their fair share of taxes here. How sad!


Edited by kyle585 (04/07/16 04:26 PM)
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#1483664 --- 04/07/16 12:30 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: kyle585]
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Nozzolio and others claim the nation does not have a sovereign reservation or land in trust that would exempt them from paying property taxes on land purchased from willing sellers.
As far as I know, all elected officials in NY state agree on this. Which makes this one of the very few things they all agree on! With this much total agreement why in the world can't they make it happen?


Edited by kyle585 (04/07/16 04:25 PM)
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#1483676 --- 04/08/16 01:02 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: teedoff27
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
the Cayuga's
how many cayuga 'tribal' members were there when the land was sold to NYS over 200 years ago?
BWAHAHAHA!
Sunday would of marked 18 months since my last postnly to return to see you spewing the same drivel.
Have you noticed that all Native businesses are STILL open and STILL untaxed, even though you *claimed* that they were going to be taxed and/or shuttered.
Yes it is a very sad situation which appears to have no end in sight. frown

Actually, a lot of progress has been made.

-SC is continuing to find ways to make the bandits in SC more accountable.

-We have a casino being built in SC which will provide a good amount of competition for the indian owned casinos which levels the playing field. This will provide enough competition where Halbitter felt the need to cry on commercials and say how UNFAIR this is. The Oneidas also felt threatened enough where they paid for lawyers to put hurdles into this project.

- NYS government continues crack down on the underground cigarette network which makes it tougher for these illegal indian businesses to sell cigs.

I'm still not sure why you think the situation is funny (this is noted from your continual over usage of bwahaahahahbwahhahahahahahah). Unless you think paying more in taxes and supporting dead beats is funny, then yes, I can see why you think the situation is hilarious. Which also speaks volumes about your common sense.

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#1483731 --- 04/09/16 05:24 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: hearallseeall]
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#1 " NYS government continues crack down on the underground cigarette network which. " actually protects the Indian's cig sales.
#2 " SC is continuing to find ways to make the bandits in SC more accountable." so the state steps in and pays the property tax for the Cayuga Tribe.
#3 the Oneidas and the Senecas will put del Lago out of business in a matter of a few years
#4 NYS government continues crack down on the underground cigarette network which makes it tougher for these illegal Indian businesses to sell cigs. True but just the name brand cigs so they make EVEN MORE MONEY just selling Indian made brands.
bwahaahahahbwahhahahahahahah

OH,AH, How do you know that the Indians aren't del Lago's investors ? I mean the Mohawks could be behind it and you wouldn't even know.


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#1483822 --- 04/13/16 04:40 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: kyle585
By DAVID L. SHAW
dshaw@fltimes.com

State Sen. Mike Nozzolio has worked to get money included in the last three state budgets to partially offset those losses.
So all NY state tax payers have to help out Seneca County since the Indians refuse to pay their fair share of taxes here. How sad!


GUILT for the MILLIONS his law firm has bilked from Seneca County playing both sides of the fence and the extreme conflict of interest!
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#1483823 --- 04/13/16 04:55 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: hearallseeall]
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I'm still not sure why you think the situation is funny


What I find funny is Bluezone spewing the same drivel and Natives are getting SHUT DOWN for YEARS and not ONE thing has changed. Also the fact he still thinks Politicians are honest and will do the right thing! Just like the failed trucker's rally he warned us about, the failed *Paterson Day*, etc. etc.
The funniest was when he claimed Mikey BOZZOllio and David *Daddy WelfareBucks* Paterson were his *pit bulls* and were going to shut the Natives down!
NYS is the one who shot themselves when they raised the tax on cigs to $4.35. Ever notice how States with the lowest cig tax don't have problems with "the Natives stealing their revenue"??? Even the biggest "tax the natives supporters" went running to the Rez when cigs went over $10/pack! People WILL NOT walk, drive, or go out of their way to save $1 or $2 a carton, but they will MOST DEFINITELY go out of their way to save $70/carton!
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