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#1489117 --- 09/01/16 08:43 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Are you disputing the fact that this "tribe" was down to one member? Sounds like we are all mixed race now. We are, or should be, all equal under the law. Tell Trump no wall is necessary to keep out non-natives. smile

And the Winner of today's Inane-Mashup-of-Reasoning competition, is none other than... grin
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#1489304 --- 09/06/16 09:58 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
If NYS would pass the law requiring tribes to have sovereignty over the land to call it a reservation; sales tax laws would be enforceable in Seneca & Cayuga Counties.

The states have ZERO legal authority to do so.

Federal law explicitly prevents that.

State law defines a state reservation and the Cayuga have none. Federal law only applies to reservations.

And as is repeatedly pointed out out, There is NO mechanism in place, in which to enforce tax payment. None, Zero, Zilch.



the cayuga 'tribe' are US citizens
there is no cayuga 'reservation'

better tell obama/cuomo they can not collect taxes from US citizens...



Originally Posted By: Timbo
You can't have it both ways
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#1489305 --- 09/06/16 10:07 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
the political left is finally coming around to set things right, as is plainly obvious with recent policy advancements under the Obama administration.
and what would those be?
If you're not preoccupied, you may feel free to look it up for yourself.

It should take any sincerely curious person less than five seconds.
and what recent policy advancements did obama bring forth?

MORE Answers that shall remain forever a mystery to the willfully ignorant and pathologically lazy among us.


Originally Posted By: Timbo
If you can't be bothered to provide citations to the original source references, we won't waste our time with your no-doubt fallacious misrepresentations.


obama has not made any recent advancements
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#1489306 --- 09/06/16 10:15 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Poor, suffering colonialist. My heart bleeds for you.
You are a colonialist too right?

Decidedly NOT.


and the reason you have not returned to your homeland and given your land back to the 'tribe'?
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#1489307 --- 09/07/16 02:26 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
obama has not made any recent advancements

Incorrect and STILL non-sequitur, regardless. The cost of such pathological laziness.
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#1489308 --- 09/07/16 02:37 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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It has EVERYTHING to do with race

I've NEVER seen a federal (or state) recognized (or otherwise) reservation or tribe of non-Native Americans... and neither has anyone else. Nor have ANY other "ethnic" group been deemed a Ward of Federal Governance.

are you not able to see your own contradiction in your own post?

What's astonishing, is that you DO. crazy crazy crazy
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#1489309 --- 09/07/16 02:43 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
the Cayuga land claims

"In the 205 years the Cayuga Indians have been paid 1.63 million dollars. Factoring reasonable interest and inflation these payments have a current equivalent value somewhere between 150 million - 1 billion dollars."

explain how the cayuga 'tribe' can have a 'land claim' when you pointed out they have been paid for the land?
A good point.

ONLY if you completely ignore BZ's abysmal recollections of the historical record and your lack of effort to think for yourself.
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#1489310 --- 09/07/16 02:48 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
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as is repeatedly pointed out out, There is NO mechanism in place, in which to enforce tax payment. None, Zero, Zilch.
the cayuga 'tribe' are US citizens
there is no cayuga 'reservation'

better tell obama/cuomo they can not collect taxes from US citizens...

No matter, there is NO mechanism in place. The states have no way of enforcing any such payment. It's THAT simple. whistle
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#1489354 --- 09/07/16 09:15 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
obama has not made any recent advancements

Incorrect and STILL non-sequitur, regardless. The cost of such pathological laziness.


Originally Posted By: Timbo
Citations


where are your citations of what you claim obama has done?
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#1489357 --- 09/07/16 09:57 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
It has EVERYTHING to do with race

I've NEVER seen a federal (or state) recognized (or otherwise) reservation or tribe of non-Native Americans... and neither has anyone else. Nor have ANY other "ethnic" group been deemed a Ward of Federal Governance.

are you not able to see your own contradiction in your own post?

What's astonishing, is that you DO.


your own posts contradict themselves...
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#1489358 --- 09/07/16 10:04 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
the Cayuga land claims

"In the 205 years the Cayuga Indians have been paid 1.63 million dollars. Factoring reasonable interest and inflation these payments have a current equivalent value somewhere between 150 million - 1 billion dollars."[/font]

explain how the cayuga 'tribe' can have a 'land claim' when you pointed out they have been paid for the land?
A good point.

ONLY if you completely ignore BZ's abysmal recollections of the historical record and your lack of effort to think for yourself.


'historical records'?

you have stated on here that the cayuga 'tribe' sided with the british
the british LOST

it appears that the cayuga 'tribe' has been overpaid by your own stance
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#1489359 --- 09/07/16 10:09 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
as is repeatedly pointed out out, There is NO mechanism in place, in which to enforce tax payment. None, Zero, Zilch.
the cayuga 'tribe' are US citizens
there is no cayuga 'reservation'

better tell obama/cuomo they can not collect taxes from US citizens...

No matter, there is NO mechanism in place. The states have no way of enforcing any such payment. It's THAT simple. whistle


and what is the name of the 'reservation' that you reside upon?
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#1490830 --- 10/18/16 08:07 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
as is repeatedly pointed out out, There is NO mechanism in place, in which to enforce tax payment. None, Zero, Zilch.


Originally Posted By: Timbo
Never mind the fact that, per populace, Native Americans have by FAR the highest rate of US military service of ANY ethnic group.



and yet they pay no taxes to share in the costs to protect this land


Originally Posted By: Timbo
Add to that, MORE than $2 TRILLION in costs for an illegal, unfunded War in Iraq.

"The U.S. war in Iraq has cost $1.7 trillion with an additional $490 billion in benefits owed to war veterans, expenses that could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next four decades counting interest"...
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#1491008 --- 10/23/16 09:07 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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worried your taxes may go up if the landfill closes

time to collect the money the 'tribe' owes

it will cover the lose in money from the landfill with plenty of extra money to lower your taxes

there are NO federal 'reservations' in NYS


Quote:
In its legal arguments, the Seneca Nation "expressly acknowledges that, as a general principle, New York State has the authority to require reservation retailers to collect excise taxes on sales to non-Indians," Arcara wrote.


Cayuga Indian Nation land trust dispute
Updated: 06/12/2009 06:04 AM
By: Bill Carey

AUBURN, N.Y. -- The message from a host of Cayuga County officials was a simple one. If the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs agrees to allow the Cayuga Indians to place land into federal trust, tax losses for local schools and governments will be substantial and local businesses competing with Indian enterprises will be hurt.

“This is any business. Towing businesses. This is garages. Anything that can operate tax free on land in trust land can certainly affect the businesses here,” said Cayuga County legislator David Axton.

And the officials say they have numbers to back up their claims. Just last year, Cayuga and Seneca County authorities shut down cigarette sales by two service stations operated by the Cayuga Nation, claiming they were evading tax laws. The county has surveyed other convenience stores in the area and says most have seen increases in cigarette sales of 20 to 40 percent since that shutdown. They estimate they may have been losing millions in tax revenues prior to the action.

Cayuga and Seneca counties were the first to take action to disrupt cigarette sales by an Indian nation. They were hoping the message would be clear in Albany.

Governor Paterson has already signed legislation calling for collection of taxes on Indian cigarette sales and, in Cayuga County, they say a state facing billions in red ink should look at the potential windfall.

Cayuga Indian Nation land trust dispute
The long running dispute over land claims by the Cayuga Indians and the insistence of Cayuga and Seneca counties on their rights to tax revenues is about to heat up again. At issue, the Cayugas move to have the federal government allow 130 acres of land to be put into federal trust, exempting it from local taxes. Our Bill Carey says the campaign to block the move is underway.

“You're talking $30 million from two little convenience stores . You multiply that, times the Smoking Joes, 110 of those, the Sav-Ons in Oneida, the Long Island, all the millions of cigarettes they're selling down there, it's about a billion dollars in taxes a year that the state's missing out on ,” said Cayuga County District Attorney Jon Budelmann.

Some counties have opened negotiations with various Indian groups hoping to settle land claims and tax issues. Cayuga County hasn't taken that route.

The case against sovereignty and against placement of land into trust, they say, is clear.
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#1491011 --- 10/23/16 09:27 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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The "landfill", again... REALLY??? crazy
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#1491013 --- 10/23/16 09:47 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

The "landfill", again... REALLY???


and yet you did not repsond to the five prior posts

must be all five have merit against your 'claims'
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#1491849 --- 11/03/16 09:07 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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Quote:
Sarratori - Due to federal laws, we cannot tax Nation-owned land


INCORRECT

there are NO federal 'reservations' in NYS

Quote:
Court sides with Sherrill
Supreme Court justices rule 8-1
Oneida Nation must pay tax to city
Wed, Mar 30, 2005
R. PATRICK CORBETT Observer-Dispatch

The Oneida Indian Nation must pay taxes on its property in the city of Sherrill and potentially on all land it has bought outside of its 32-acre reservation in Madison County, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday . In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled that the New York Oneidas cannot disrupt two centuries of local development by refusing to pay local taxes on a gas station and T-shirt factory it owns in Sherrill in Oneida County. New York City lawyer Ira Sacks, who pleaded Sherrill's case pro bono, said, "We were very pleased. The Supreme Court agreed with the principal argument that after 200 years ... the Oneida Indian Nation can't pick and choose places to buy and take it out of local jurisdiction." The justices also remarked on the "distinctly non-Indian character of the area and its inhabitants," because most Oneida Indians moved out of the area about 150 years ago.


In its legal arguments, the Seneca Nation "expressly acknowledges that, as a general principle, New York State has the authority to require reservation retailers to collect excise taxes on sales to non-Indians," Arcara wrote.


the court states the 'tribe' has to place land into trust because it is not a 'reservation'

the 'tribe' must have all the taxes paid in order to apply for trust

the 'tribe' has not paid the taxes so there is NO trust land

taxes are owed just the same as you owe taxes
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#1491940 --- 11/04/16 03:15 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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N.A. say "go to hell". Cant't tax what was taken illegally.
whistle
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#1491983 --- 11/05/16 08:05 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Cant't tax what was taken illegally.


use that excuse when you refuse to pay your property taxes and see where that gets you

have you given the 'tribe' their land back yet?

of course NOT
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#1491984 --- 11/05/16 08:16 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Cant't tax what was taken illegally.


Originally Posted By: Formermac
one uneducated and foolish individual rehashing 3 Century ago issues


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