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#1481760 --- 02/15/16 01:01 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

Let's not forget these quotes as well. In the last quote lies the root of the problem...


”The United States has unequivocally agreed…that discovery gave an exclusive right to extinguish the Indian title of occupancy.” - U.S. Supreme Court Johnson & Graham’s Lessee v. McIntosh.

“Damn any man who sympathizes with Indians. I have come to kill Indians and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God’s Heaven to kill them.” - Colonel John Milton Chivington U.S. Army

“It is my purpose to utterly exterminate the Sioux. They are to be treated as maniacs or wild beasts and by no means as people with whom treaties or compromise can be made.” - General John Pope U.S. Army

“The civilization of the Indians is impossible while the buffalo remain upon the plains.” - Columbus Delano U.S. Secretary of the Interior

“[The Indian] must be imbued with the exalting egotism of American civilization so that he will say ‘I’ instead of ‘We’, and ‘This is mine’ instead of ‘This is ours.’” - John Oberly U.S. Commissioner of Indian Affairs

"exalting egotism of American civilization" I guess that pretty much sums things up, doesn't it? eek
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#1481761 --- 02/15/16 01:17 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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U.S. Will Settle Indian Lawsuit for $3.4 Billion:

WASHINGTON — The federal government announced on Tuesday that it intends to pay $3.4 billion to settle claims that it has mismanaged the revenue in American Indian trust funds, potentially ending one of the largest and most complicated class-action lawsuits ever brought against the United States.

More:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/us/09tribes.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=charlie%20savage&st=cse


And STILL Getting Shafted by the US Government...

$3.4 billion Native American land-trust settlement causing anger:

HELENA, Mont. - Laura Juarez is supposed to receive close to $1,200 as her share of a $3.4 billion settlement among hundreds of thousands of Native Americans whose land-trust royalties were mismanaged by the government for more than a century.

The Bakersfield, California, notary public was going to pool that money with her husband's share, along with a portion of what was coming to her father's estate, to send her 17-year-old daughter to a student-ambassador program in Australia.

But the money, which she expected in December, still hasn't come and her daughter isn't going on next month's trip.

More:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/3-4-billion-native-american-land-trust-settlement-causing-anger/
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#1481763 --- 02/15/16 01:54 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Then perhaps you should actually read (and understand) The US Constitution. You might actually come to finally confess the inescapable fact that it's not only possible to both serve your country and honor humanity, but that it's also your sworn DUTY to do so.
Your exact quote. Serve the barbarians that founded this country you say.
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#1481764 --- 02/15/16 01:59 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Sadly, it appears that, to you, "equality under the law" only applies, when it provides clear advantage to your sense of "colonial" entitlement (regardless of glaring contradictions of morality, logic and law).
You are right. We must give them back all of America and go back to where we came from. You first. Now where did you come from?
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#1481765 --- 02/15/16 03:37 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Then perhaps you should actually read (and understand) The US Constitution. You might actually come to finally confess the inescapable fact that it's not only possible to both serve your country and honor humanity, but that it's also your sworn DUTY to do so.
Your exact quote. Serve the barbarians that founded this country you say.

My precise words (and I quote):
"IMO, your thinking is a contemptible embarrassment [insult] to the memory of the millions of souls who suffered unimaginably hellish grotesqueries at the hands of barbarians and to those who fought, were mutilated or died while trying to eradicate the precise horrors of humanity that we're discussing here. The fact that you seem to be so able and eager to discount that reality, is appalling at every level of human empathy or compassion."

Now, once again, you've exposed your uncontrollable compulsion for lying, even in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

How sad. frown

We're done, here.
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#1481793 --- 02/16/16 05:35 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Why is it that the casino tribes like the Seneca and Oneida which take in a million dollars a day unaccounted for receive more than any other tribe? One would think they would be able to wean themselves off taxpayer hand outs. To my knowledge, the Onondaga tribe always refuses and sends the money back because they stand by their principles.

http://auburnpub.com/blogs/eye_on_ny/hud-cayuga-nation-other-ny-tribes-get-million-for-affordable/article_4a41151e-f4c2-53d0-b5cf-dbc39ccbd022.html#utm_source=auburnpub.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail-updates%2Fbreaking%2F&utm_medium=email&utm_content=headline

HUD: Cayuga Nation, other NY tribes get $6 million for affordable housing projects

Eight Native American tribes in New York will share more than $6 million in aid for affordable housing projects, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development announced Tuesday.

The Seneca Nation of New York, which is based in Irving, will receive the largest grant — $2,514,162 — to invest in affordable housing units for low-income families. The St. Regis Band of Mohawk Indians of New York will get $2,039,575.

In central New York, the Oneida Nation in Verona will receive $824,219 and the Cayuga Nation of New York in Seneca Falls has been awarded a $386,052 grant.

The Onondaga Nation of New York will get a $50,282 grant from the agency.

Other tribes receiving grants include the Shinnecock Indians, which will receive $229,245. The Tonawanda Band of Seneca Indians of New York and the Tuscarora Nation, both based in western New York, will each get $50,282.

"Every family, every community in America, deserves the chance to flourish," HUD Secretary Julian Castro said in a statement. "Tribes use this funding to build new homes, or to solve their most pressing housing issues.

"Our partnerships with tribal communities and leaders are critical today to help ensure better housing, neighborhoods and economic opportunities for tomorrow."

The funding is provided through HUD's Indian Housing Block Grant program. The aid is distributed annually to eligible tribes.

The agency is requesting $700 million for Native American housing block grants in its 2017 budget, an increase of $50 million over the 2016 budget funding level.

"The Indian Housing Block Grant program is the single, largest source of affordable housing assistance in Native American communities," HUD Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary Lourdes Castro Ramirez said. "Over the life of the program, recipients have been able to build or acquire almost 37,000 affordable homes and have rehabilitated more than 77,000 housing units."

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#1481797 --- 02/16/16 07:02 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Good post Rich.
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#1481807 --- 02/17/16 03:54 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Why is it that the casino tribes like the Seneca and Oneida which take in a million dollars a day unaccounted for receive more than any other tribe? One would think they would be able to wean themselves off taxpayer hand outs. To my knowledge, the Onondaga tribe always refuses and sends the money back because they stand by their principles.

http://auburnpub.com/blogs/eye_on_ny/hud-cayuga-nation-other-ny-tribes-get-million-for-affordable/article_4a41151e-f4c2-53d0-b5cf-dbc39ccbd022.html#utm_source=auburnpub.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail-updates%2Fbreaking%2F&utm_medium=email&utm_content=headline

HUD: Cayuga Nation, other NY tribes get $6 million for affordable housing projects

Eight Native American tribes in New York will share more than $6 million in aid for affordable housing projects, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development announced Tuesday.

The Seneca Nation of New York, which is based in Irving, will receive the largest grant — $2,514,162 — to invest in affordable housing units for low-income families. The St. Regis Band of Mohawk Indians of New York will get $2,039,575.

In central New York, the Oneida Nation in Verona will receive $824,219 and the Cayuga Nation of New York in Seneca Falls has been awarded a $386,052 grant.

The Onondaga Nation of New York will get a $50,282 grant from the agency.

Other tribes receiving grants include the Shinnecock Indians, which will receive $229,245. The Tonawanda Band of Seneca Indians of New York and the Tuscarora Nation, both based in western New York, will each get $50,282.

"Every family, every community in America, deserves the chance to flourish," HUD Secretary Julian Castro said in a statement. "Tribes use this funding to build new homes, or to solve their most pressing housing issues.

"Our partnerships with tribal communities and leaders are critical today to help ensure better housing, neighborhoods and economic opportunities for tomorrow."

The funding is provided through HUD's Indian Housing Block Grant program. The aid is distributed annually to eligible tribes.

The agency is requesting $700 million for Native American housing block grants in its 2017 budget, an increase of $50 million over the 2016 budget funding level.

"The Indian Housing Block Grant program is the single, largest source of affordable housing assistance in Native American communities," HUD Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary Lourdes Castro Ramirez said. "Over the life of the program, recipients have been able to build or acquire almost 37,000 affordable homes and have rehabilitated more than 77,000 housing unites.
These grants are not considered but reparations but I think they could certainly be looked at that way.
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#1481808 --- 02/17/16 03:56 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery...nt-reparations/

Why Native Americans don’t want reparations
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#1481848 --- 02/17/16 10:02 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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FL Times today:

The Cayuga Indian Nation has been awarded $386,052 for affordable housing from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.
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#1481864 --- 02/17/16 10:53 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
These grants are not considered but reparations but I think they could certainly be looked at that way.

Only to someone who doesn't understand the LAW.
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#1481871 --- 02/17/16 11:53 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
These grants are not considered but reparations but I think they could certainly be looked at that way.

Only to someone who doesn't understand the LAW.
Fine. How about you explaining whatever you think the law it. And how much you think we owe them in reparations.
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#1481872 --- 02/17/16 11:53 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
https://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery...nt-reparations/

Why Native Americans don’t want reparations
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#1481873 --- 02/17/16 11:55 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
These grants are not considered but reparations but I think they could certainly be looked at that way.

Only to someone who doesn't understand the LAW.
Fine. How about you explaining whatever you think the law it. And how much you think we owe them in reparations.

1) Look it up for yourself.

2) I just explained my opinion on the matter.
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#1481875 --- 02/17/16 11:58 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
https://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery...nt-reparations/

Why Native Americans don’t want reparations

How is it that you can read an article such as this one and still fail to understand the point of it???
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#1481876 --- 02/17/16 11:59 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
These grants are not considered but reparations but I think they could certainly be looked at that way.
Only to someone who doesn't understand the LAW.
Fine. How about you explaining whatever you think the law it. And how much you think we owe them in reparations.

1) Look it up for yourself.

2) I just explained my opinion on the matter.
That is the replay I expected. You are incapable of explaining whatever the heck you are trying to say.
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#1481878 --- 02/17/16 12:21 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
These grants are not considered but reparations but I think they could certainly be looked at that way.
Only to someone who doesn't understand the LAW.
Fine. How about you explaining whatever you think the law it. And how much you think we owe them in reparations.

1) Look it up for yourself.

2) I just explained my opinion on the matter.
That is the replay I expected. You are incapable of explaining whatever the heck you are trying to say.

Look up the legal definition of "reparations" for cryin' outloud. Are you dense?

I just explained my feelings about solutions concerning reparations only minutes ago.

Talk about "incapable"!!! YIKES! You give bags of hammers a BAD name.
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#1481880 --- 02/17/16 12:33 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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rep·a·ra·tion
&#716;rep&#601;&#712;r&#257;SH(&#601;)n/
noun

the making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged.

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So what do you think we should give them? Money? land? I haven't seen you answer that question.
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#1481882 --- 02/17/16 12:38 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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NOT the "legal" definition.

Try again.
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#1481883 --- 02/17/16 12:40 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

NOT the "legal" definition.

Try again.
NO. heck no. I am sick of your silly wild goose chase. I got better things to do than run around in an endless circle with you today. This post told me a lot about you. You could of easily stated your position. But you refuse to do that. All you want to do is see how much of my time you can waste by responding to your nonsense.


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