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#1482425 --- 02/28/16 09:44 AM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: kyle585]
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Only three letters are in complete support of the Seneca White Deer and Varick plan, and two of them are from current or former members of the Seneca White Deer Board. They should have identified themselves.

And one mischaracterizes one of the petitions. The petition with 70,000 signatures does not say make the land public. It says that the IDA should ensure that the reuse plan should include protection of the wildlife and birds at the depot by creating a conservation area.

Whatever happens, the "winning" proposal must have a business plan that provides for sustainable protection and PROFESSIONAL management of the herd and wildlife.

Originally Posted By: kyle585
There are nine Letters to the Editor in the FL Times today. They are all long and they all support protecting the white deer.
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#1482427 --- 02/28/16 10:14 AM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
Only three letters are in complete support of the Seneca White Deer and Varick plan, and two of them are from current or former members of the Seneca White Deer Board. They should have identified themselves.

Originally Posted By: kyle585
There are nine Letters to the Editor in the FL Times today. They are all long and they all support protecting the white deer.
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#1482431 --- 02/28/16 12:48 PM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: all seeing eye]
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Since the Army is done with the property the DEC will protect the wetlands and other sensitive wildlife habitat.
http://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/5133.html
In New York, wetlands are regulated at the state and federal level, and in ... The law requires DEC and APA to map those wetlands that are protected by the Act.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/5124.html
The Freshwater Wetlands Act (Article 24 of the Environmental Conservation Law) .... features found on an official NYS DEC Article 24 Freshwater Wetlands map.

There are 122 wetlands listed totaling 14,879 acres, affecting 600 land owners grin


Edited by Hello_Governer (02/28/16 12:56 PM)
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#1482433 --- 02/28/16 02:41 PM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: Hello_Governer]
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This is cool, lots of information and real nice pictures

http://www.co.seneca.ny.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/SCEnvConsFnlPln2_17_14.pdf
Seneca County - Environmental Conservation Plan 2 ... Map 2. Steep Slopes, Streams, Wetlands. Map 3. Solar PV Potential in the US ..... Both the NYSDEC and

Carbon Sink
According to data produced for the Finger Lakes Regional Sustainability Plan, Seneca County emits about 552,000 metric tons of greenhouse gases each year, but stores 7.7 million metric tons in its forests, waterways, and agricultural lands. Seneca County is what’s known as a “carbon sink”; that is, it absorbs more carbon gases than it releases each year.
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#1482651 --- 03/06/16 04:27 AM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: all seeing eye]
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Todays FL Times; " Varick's depot bid detailed."

Read it carefully, this plan reduces the acreage for the deer from 3,000 acres to 1,000 acres. That's what happens when you have local government involved. crazy
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#1482696 --- 03/07/16 01:20 PM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Todays FL Times; " Varick's depot bid detailed."

Read it carefully, this plan reduces the acreage for the deer from 3,000 acres to 1,000 acres. That's what happens when you have local government involved. crazy

from the FL Times
"According to the bid package, the proposal calls for the Varick Seneca LDC to receive title from the IDA, so as to avoid placing the town in the chain of title to prevent future environmental, archeological or other general liability claims against the town. The town has adopted a zoning code for the Varick portion of the former depot.

The LDC will operate with a board of directors, managing and providing for the economic development of the 3,000 or so acres.

The LDC then plans to transfer to Seneca White Deer Inc. — either through sale, lease or licensed use — about 1,000 acres of land for the conservation and perpetuation of the unique white deer herd. "


1,000 acres ain't gunna work. mad
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#1484210 --- 04/28/16 02:26 PM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: Hello_Governer]
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FL TIMES 4/27
WATERLOO — This spring, female white deer at the former Seneca Army Depot will be giving birth to fawns that are threatened by an influx of coyotes.

On Tuesday, the Seneca County Board of Supervisors decided to do something about it.

First, the Environmental Affairs Committee of the board voted 5-0 to:


Work with the county Industrial Development Agency in taking steps to appeal the state Department of Environmental Conservation decision not to extend the coyote trapping season in an effort to control the predators.

That could include filing an Article 78 petition in State Supreme Court, challenging the DEC decision.

• Allow the county to hire a “houndsman,’’ a person with special training in the use of dogs to harass coyotes into leaving the depot.

• Asking the IDA to secure the depot’s fences to close off access by coyotes and other animals that could harm the deer. Up to $10,000 could be allocated for that purpose.

After the committee meeting, the full board met in special session to take up the issue.

The board voted 13-0 to approve a motion prepared by County Attorney Frank Fisher endorsing the committee’s recommendations. Board member David Kaiser, R-Romulus, was absent.

“We asked the IDA to try and remedy the problem with coyotes at the depot. There’s been no trapping and the fence needs repairs,’’ said Steve Churchill, D-Seneca Falls, committee chairman. “The DEC denied a nuisance permit and didn’t seem interested in the situation. They offered no alternatives.”

SURE, after Churchill insults the DEC repeatedly over gas storage, the landfill and the white deer and other depot matters he wants a favor. The DEC probably has him on their IGNORE LIST grin
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#1484212 --- 04/28/16 06:40 PM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Yup, let's trap animals all year round. It's so humane.

And let's fix the fences, before we get the dogs to chase the coyotes out.

This makes no sense.

Photo of coyote trapped at the Depot


Edited by all seeing eye (04/28/16 06:43 PM)
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#1484213 --- 04/28/16 07:40 PM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: all seeing eye]
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But aren't you one of the people who wanted the COUNTY to do something ? So they did something stupid, what did you expect. crazy
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#1484214 --- 04/28/16 08:53 PM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: Hello_Governer]
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You are confusing me with someone else. I do not support the county, the town or Seneca White Deer managing the wildlife, something NONE of them are qualified to do:

My position (February 28, 2016):

Only three letters are in complete support of the Seneca White Deer and Varick plan, and two of them are from current or former members of the Seneca White Deer Board. They should have identified themselves.

And one mischaracterizes one of the petitions. The petition with 70,000 signatures does not say make the land public. It says that the IDA should ensure that the reuse plan should include protection of the wildlife and birds at the depot by creating a conservation area.

Whatever happens, the "winning" proposal must have a business plan that provides for sustainable protection and PROFESSIONAL management of the herd and wildlife.


I would add that the business plans should NOT include trophy hunting or trapping as part of the revenue stream.

Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
But aren't you one of the people who wanted the COUNTY to do something ? So they did something stupid, what did you expect. crazy
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#1484215 --- 04/28/16 09:17 PM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: all seeing eye]
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http://www.ask.com/pets-animals/can-coyote-jump-8-foot-fence-d3b52b66ce80f9bb
A coyote can jump an 8-foot fence. It is also very adept at climbing. To keep coyotes out of property, it is recommended to erect a wire fence that is at least 6 feet ...

I have seen a cat and a rabbit climb a chain link fence shocked


Edited by Hello_Governer (04/28/16 09:19 PM)
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#1484216 --- 04/28/16 11:21 PM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Who wants to keep coyotes out or kill them ....except the trophy hunters?

The coyotes should be protected too.

Funny, there are deer and coyotes in Sampson. Somehow the deer are still there.

Wonder why the coyotes are so much more successful in the Depot....or maybe there are other predators killing the deer?

Poachers perhaps?

Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
http://www.ask.com/pets-animals/can-coyote-jump-8-foot-fence-d3b52b66ce80f9bb
A coyote can jump an 8-foot fence. It is also very adept at climbing. To keep coyotes out of property, it is recommended to erect a wire fence that is at least 6 feet ...

I have seen a cat and a rabbit climb a chain link fence shocked


Edited by all seeing eye (04/28/16 11:53 PM)
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#1484231 --- 04/29/16 03:46 PM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: all seeing eye]
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DEC Issues Guidance to Avoid Conflicts with Coyotes


The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) today issued guidance on preventing conflicts between people and coyotes as spring temperatures approach and coyotes increase foraging.

"Coyotes are an integral part of our natural ecosystem, but they can come into conflict with people if they become habituated to human presence and food sources," said DEC Acting Commissioner Basil Seggos. "The coyote is an adaptable animal and has established populations throughout most of New York State. While coyotes can provide many benefits to New Yorkers through observation, photography, hunting, and trapping, they should be treated with respect and common sense."

With the onset of warmer weather, many of New York's resident coyotes have set up dens for soon-to-arrive pups. Coyotes are well adapted to suburban and even urban environments, but for the most part they will avoid contact with people. However, conflicts with people and pets may result as coyotes tend to be territorial around den sites during the spring through mid-summer period as they forage almost constantly to provide food for their young.

To minimize the chance that conflicts between people and coyotes occur, it is important that coyotes' natural fear of people is maintained. Below are recommended steps residents and visitors can take to reduce or prevent conflicts from occurring:
•Do not feed coyotes and discourage others from doing so.
•Unintentional food sources attract coyotes and other wildlife and increase risks to people and pets. To reduce risks: &#9702;Do not feed pets outside.
&#9702;Make any garbage inaccessible to coyotes and other animals.
&#9702;Fence or enclose compost piles so they are not accessible to coyotes.
&#9702;Eliminate availability of bird seed. Concentrations of birds and rodents that come to feeders can attract coyotes. If you see a coyote(s) near your birdfeeder, clean up waste seed and spillage to remove the attractant.

•Do not allow coyotes to approach people or pets.
•Teach children to appreciate coyotes from a distance.
•If you see a coyote, be aggressive in your behavior - stand tall, and hold arms out to look large. If a coyote lingers for too long, then make loud noises, wave your arms, throw sticks and stones.
•Do not allow pets to run free. Supervise all outdoor pets to keep them safe from coyotes and other wildlife, especially at sunset and at night. Small dogs and cats are especially vulnerable to coyotes.
•Fencing your yard may deter coyotes. The fence should be tight to the ground, preferably extending six inches below ground level, and taller than four feet.
•Remove brush and tall grass from around your home to reduce protective cover for coyotes. Coyotes are typically secretive and like areas where they can hide.
•Contact your local police department and NYSDEC regional office for assistance if you notice that coyotes are exhibiting "bold" behaviors and have little or no fear of people. Seeing a coyote occasionally throughout the year is not evidence of bold behavior.
•Ask your neighbors to follow these same steps.

The Eastern coyote is found in rural farmlands and forests to populated suburban and urban areas. In most cases, coyotes avoid people as much as possible. In fact, coyotes provide many exciting opportunities for New Yorkers. Their howling and yipping at night can provide a haunting but harmless reminder of wildlife in our midst. However, if coyotes learn to associate people with food (such as, garbage or pet food), they may lose their natural fear of humans, and the potential for close encounters or conflicts increases.

It is important to keep pets safe. Cats allowed to roam free are at risk from many different factors. To protect your cat from coyotes and other hazards, and to help protect nesting birds that cats often prey on, keep your cat indoors, or allow it outside only under supervision.

Owners of small dogs also have cause for concern. Small dogs are at greatest risk of being harmed or killed when coyotes are being territorial during denning and pup-rearing. Small dogs should not be left unattended in backyards at night and should remain supervised. Coyotes may approach small dogs along streets at night near natural areas, even in the presence of dog owners. Be alert of your surroundings and take precautions such as carrying a flashlight or a walking stick to deter coyotes. Owners of large and medium sized dogs have less to worry about, but should still take precautions.

If coyotes are seen repeatedly during the daytime in a human-populated area or in close proximity to residences, follow the above recommendations to reduce or prevent potential problems. If coyote behavior remains unchanged or becomes threatening, please report this to the local DEC office, as this may indicate that some individual coyotes have lost their fear of people and there may be a greater risk that a problem could occur.

For additional information about the Eastern Coyote and preventing conflicts with coyotes, visit the following webpages on DEC's website:
•Eastern Coyote
•Coyote Conflicts
•Feeding Wildlife: a wrong choice
•Tips to Eliminate Wildlife Conflicts


http://www.dec.ny.gov/press/press.html



The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
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#1484380 --- 05/06/16 04:41 PM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: all seeing eye]
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Todays paper, "DEC says let nature take it's course"
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#1484385 --- 05/06/16 08:27 PM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: Hello_Governer]
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If that means no hunting and trapping at the Depot....I agree completely. Now we need something to stop the poachers.

Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Todays paper, "DEC says let nature take it's course"
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#1485681 --- 06/16/16 11:31 AM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: all seeing eye]
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OMG


did you see todays paper
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#1485683 --- 06/16/16 12:29 PM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: Ghosts]
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fltimes.com
IRONCLAD WINNING BID: Fayette business owner pledges to use depot land for expansion, white deer preservation
DAVID L. SHAW dshaw@fltimes.com

WATERLOO — Earl Martin did not bid the most money for the available acreage at the former Seneca Army Depot.

The Seneca County Industrial Development Agency deemed Martin’s offer the best one, though.

The IDA Board of Directors voted 7-0 Wednesday to conditionally approve Martin’s bid of $900,000 for the roughly 7,000 acres being sold.

Martin’s bid also drew the support of Seneca White Deer Inc. President Dennis Money. Money said he was “delighted” Martin was chosen.

Before the sale happens, the IDA and Martin must negotiate a contract. In addition, the IDA will complete more survey work to delineate the exact boundaries of the public safety training facilities and the Kendaia Baptist Cemetery at the depot. And, the IDA will have to complete the State Environmental Quality Review Act process.

A closing is anticipated in the fourth quarter of this year.

Martin owns and operates Seneca Ironworks at 3236 Hoster Road in Fayette. He wants to invest about $13 million in a new manufacturing facility, part of an expansion of his metal-working and fabrication business. He plans to employ 200 people at the facility over the next 10 years.

Seneca Ironworks, which manufactures steel infrastructure for dairy barns, was founded in 1978.

The sale would make the property taxable, with the assessment to be determined.

Other details of Martin’s bid:

• It would create approximately 20 private homesteads on the property.

• There are plans for wildlife preservation and eco-tourism, goals to be achieved by working with SWD to sustain the white deer herd there.

• It allows for potential future development of solar energy facilities.

• He supports a dedicated, east-west public road across the north end of the property that would connect Routes 96 and 96A.

• It would exclude about 25 acres encompassing the public safety training facility on the property. Seneca County would buy those 25 acres for $1.

• It would create a permanent easement to allow family access to the Kendaia Baptist Cemetery on the property.

• It allows Martin to acquire the former depot airstrip as part of the sale.

IDA Executive Director Bob Aronson said public water is available near the airstrip and could be extended to serve a new manufacturing facility. There are no sanitary sewers on the property, but there is electrical infrastructure in place — although an upgrade would be needed.

The IDA met in executive session Wednesday for just over a half-hour before coming back into open session and approving the resolution.

Board member Valerie Bassett was absent.

A group made up of IDA and county Board of Supervisors members reviewed the 16 bids that were received by the Feb. 29 deadline in closed-door sessions. That panel unanimously agreed to recommend Martin’s bid for IDA acceptance.

The review committee interviewed Martin. His bid was examined for economic impacts, and it was endorsed by the Center for Governmental Research in a report commissioned by the IDA.

The motion approved by the IDA board — it was prepared by attorney Robert Halpin — states the IDA determined the Martin bid would increase tax revenue to the county, the towns of Romulus and Varick, and the South Seneca and Romulus school districts.

“The agency’s conveyance of the property to Martin will promote, develop, encourage and assist in the constructing, reconstructing, maintaining, improving and furnishing of manufacturing, industrial, warehousing, commercial, and recreational facilities in Seneca County and promote the job opportunities, general prosperity and economic welfare of citizens of the county and state, improve their standard of living and prevent economic deterioration in the county,” the measure stated.

The IDA could nix the sale if Martin does not make the required effort to preserve the white deer herd.

The motion also states the IDA plans to be lead agency for the environmental review.

Martin could not be reached for comment.

Money said he and Martin have met to discuss the white deer.

“We have a common interest in promoting economic development and preserving the white deer herd,” Money said. “We have met a few times, including Wednesday, so we’re in the beginning stages of developing a plan for the deer. Earl came to us and I think this bodes well. It’s a positive decision and we look forward to working with him.”

SIDEBAR — Press conference

WATERLOO — The Seneca County Industrial Development Agency has scheduled a press conference for 2 p.m. today to introduce Earl Martin, the winning bidder for about 7,000 available acres at the former Seneca Army Depot.

The press conference will be held in the county office building’s Heroes Conference Room.

The IDA, county Board of Supervisors and Martin will share potential plans for the property, which include a mix of industrial development, agriculture, tourism and wildlife and white deer preservation.

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#1485685 --- 06/16/16 01:40 PM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: Ghosts]
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Is this the same Earl Martin that has the metal roofing facility just outside of Penn Yan??


Edited by mountain (06/16/16 01:55 PM)

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#1485834 --- 06/20/16 05:00 PM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: Ghosts]
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Release and let the deer roam with other animals outside the fence.

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#1486317 --- 07/01/16 08:27 AM Re: Save the white deer, birds and wildlife at the Seneca Army Depot [Re: Ghosts]
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New owner of depot property taking steps to aid white deer

The Seneca County Industrial Development Agency said the future owner of 7,000 acres of the former Seneca Army Depot already is making good on his plan to work toward preserving the white deer that roam the site.

Earl Martin, whose $900,000 bid for the land was accepted by the IDA earlier this month, has planted soybeans to enhance the food supply at the 10,586-acre depot and is planning to add additional security to reduce recent vandalism, including fence-cutting incidents. To prevent vandalism, Martin is adding security equipment around the depot perimeter and is working with law enforcement to increase patrols and develop additional security measures.

White deer supporters said adequate fencing is crucial to keeping the white deer from leaving the property.

Martin said the soybeans planted at the depot are non-genetically modified organisms, and that no pesticides will be used as they grow. Martin’s team has planted 15 acres of soybeans.

Martin’s plan to preserve the dwindling white deer herd was considered key to the IDA’s decision to accept his bid.

Seneca White Deer Inc., which is headed by Dennis Money of Canandaigua, said it supported Martin’s plan.

By STEVE BUCHIERE sbuchiere@fltimes.com Updated 20 hrs ago

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