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#1475405 --- 09/11/15 05:27 PM The Battle of Co Rt 124
Here's Johnny Offline
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Now guns have finally been used and I can only recall what was said many years ago how Natives will for ever alter our community for the worse.

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#1475409 --- 09/11/15 07:49 PM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: Here's Johnny]
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A local school district couldn't even take students home because of this nonsense. I called the BIA and they said we don't get involved in tribal government leadership disputes. I asked if the killing of an innocent bystander would be enough to do so...I was transferred to another person. This is ridiculous. I don't even feel safe in this area due to this crap. All of the pro-native people need to wake up.

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#1475410 --- 09/11/15 08:02 PM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: Here's Johnny]
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Times are a changing and this is not good. What happens when an innocent person drives by the combat zone and takes a fatal slug? The BIA? No it will be the local police, costing big bucks, who will mobilize like they did today. The various factions can't get along so what happens? They call in outside help. Really ?

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#1475411 --- 09/11/15 08:16 PM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Here's Johnny
Now guns have finally been used and I can only recall what was said many years ago how Natives will for ever alter our community for the worse.
Explain please


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UPDATE: Tribal Tensions Results In Two Wounded in Varick Shooting
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9/11/2015 3:11:24 PM
By Joe Nittler

UPDATE: 4:50 p.m.

Seneca County Sheriff's Office News Release-

09-11-2015 – At 7:49 PM, Thursday evening, 09-010-2015, Seneca County Sheriff’s Deputies and New York State Police were dispatched to a home on County Road 124 in the Town of Varick for several reports of shots fired. A short time later two subjects appeared at the Lakeside Gas Station in the Town of Seneca Falls with apparent non-life threatening guns shot wounds. Dustin Sharp, age 30, Hamburg, New York suffered gunshot wounds to his lower left leg and ankle. Spencer Gauthier, age 44, Salamanca, New York suffered non – life threatening gunshot wounds to his head, back, left arm, and right side. Both were transported by North Seneca Ambulance to Geneva General Hospital and later transferred to Strong Memorial Hospital. Sharp is listed in satisfactory condition at Strong and Gauthier has been treated and released.

An investigation being conducted by the Seneca County Sheriff’s Office with the assistance of the Seneca Falls Police and New York State Police has revealed members of the Cayuga Nation Unity Council consisting of numerous members traveled to a Nation owned home on County Road 124 which was occupied in the Town of Varick. A verbal and physical altercation ensued followed by a number of gunshot rounds being fired. A vehicle used to transport members of the Unity Council was set on fire and destroyed. Witnesses reported to Deputies that there were several persons in the wooded area and a perimeter was established by Sheriff’s Deputies and Troopers throughout the night.

Sheriff’s Deputies with the assistance of the New York State Police and their Special Operations Response Team along with Seneca Falls Police and with the cooperation of the residents of the County Road 124 home executed a search warrant this morning and recovered a weapon and other evidence relating to the shooting investigation. The investigation being conducted by the Seneca County Sheriff’s Office is still progress and deputies are continuing their investigation and expect to present the results of their investigation to the District Attorney’s Office in the near future. We have dozens of leads to continue to follow-up on. “The events that took place last evening are very troubling in that it has escalated to a new level of violence, according to Seneca County Undersheriff Gary Sullivan. We are very fortunate we didn’t have two peopl e die last night.”

Undersheriff Sullivan credited the invaluable assistance provided by the Seneca Falls Police, the New York State Police, New York State Park Police and North and South Seneca Ambulance.



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Tensions have been pretty high in the Town of Varick since last night when shots were fired from a house owned by the Cayuga Nation.

An email from the Unity Council this afternoon says the property has been occupied since August by former employees who had been terminated.The email went on to say "as part of their termination they are required to leave Cayuga Nation property, including that house, but many had remained." The email says "Peaceful measures to encourage their removal were underway but unfortunately a number of impatient individuals took the issue into their own hands last night, without knowledge of the Cayuga Nation Council."

The email added "It is now a matter for the police. The Cayuga Nation Council does not condone violence or drug use."

Seneca County Under Sheriff Gary Sullivan says they will be releasing a statement on the "fluid" situation yet this afternoon. Authorities have been at the house since about 7:50 last night
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#1475413 --- 09/11/15 09:55 PM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: Here's Johnny]
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I know! Those damned Natives! Why can't they just go back to their own country?

Oh wait...

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#1475415 --- 09/11/15 10:18 PM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: Here's Johnny]
Logic Offline
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Loc: Seneca County
You are ridiculous.....innocent people are going to get hurt due to this nonsense. At least call out the violence and argue that those responsible should be brought to justice. A kid on a bike nearly got hit a few weeks ago because of this crap.

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#1475416 --- 09/11/15 10:19 PM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: Acenes]
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ohh wait .. .looks like you totally miss the point huh!

These greedy people exploit their natives in the name of the almighty AMERICAN dollar!

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#1475425 --- 09/12/15 07:51 AM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: Here's Johnny]
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Loc: new york
The problem with these clowns is they think they are a sovereign nation and that sovereign nation exists and travels to where ever they stand .
They have no respect for the white man’s laws or respect for officers of the law that bring that law to their so called sovereignty. There is no sovereignty for the nation and especially for the nation's thugs.

The idea that socially unacceptable behavior is to be handled within “the nation” while “the nation” exists within a community of non native citizens not afforded the same peer group protection and management is simply unacceptable.

Couple that with the concept that we will manage our own until “we” get beyond our peer groups ability to control then we will go off sovereignty and let the pale face law take over.

It is about time to put the wagons in a circle and draw a chalk line around the so called sovereignty. They can't even live with themselves why are we supposed to put up with this behavior where we live?

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#1475426 --- 09/12/15 08:51 AM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: kyle585]
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What if you can't avoid the area? What if you live on that road? What if a school bus can't even travel on that road to pick up children for school? The Cayuga Nation should be ashamed of themselves and the BIA is a joke. When I called to complain I was transferred to literally 8 different people. This nonsense has been happenening for over 2 years now! The BIA simply says we don't get involved in the internal workings of tribes. That attitude needs to change when law abiding citizens and children are placed in a potentially harmful situation.

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#1475428 --- 09/12/15 09:14 AM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: Here's Johnny]
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Shots were fired, two men were wounded and a vehicle was set on fire as Cayuga Nation tensions broke out into violence last night.

09-11-2015 – At 7:49 PM, Thursday evening, 09-010-2015, Seneca County Sheriff’s Deputies and New York State Police were dispatched to a home on County Road 124 in the Town of Varick for several reports of shots fired. A short time later two subjects appeared at the Lakeside Gas Station in the Town of Seneca Falls with apparent non-life threatening guns shot wounds.

Dustin Sharp, age 30, Hamburg, New York suffered gunshot wounds to his lower left leg and ankle. Spencer Gauthier, age 44, Salamanca, suffered non – life threatening gunshot wounds to his head, back, left arm, and right side. Both were transported by North Seneca Ambulance to Geneva General Hospital and later transferred to Strong Memorial Hospital. Sharp is listed in satisfactory condition at Strong and Gauthier has been treated and released.

An investigation being conducted by the Seneca County Sheriff’s Office with the assistance of the Seneca Falls Police and New York State Police has revealed members of the Cayuga Nation Unity Council consisting of numerous members traveled to a Nation owned home on County Road 124 which was occupied in the Town of Varick.

A verbal and physical altercation ensued followed by a number of gunshot rounds being fired. A vehicle used to transport members of the Unity Council was set on fire and destroyed. Witnesses reported to Deputies that there were several persons in the wooded area and a perimeter was established by Sheriff’s Deputies and Troopers throughout the night.

Sheriff’s Deputies with the assistance of the New York State Police and their Special Operations Response Team along with Seneca Falls Police and with the cooperation of the residents of the County Road 124 home executed a search warrant this morning and recovered a weapon and other evidence relating to the shooting investigation.

The investigation being conducted by the Seneca County Sheriff’s Office is still progress and deputies are continuing their investigation and expect to present the results of their investigation to the District Attorney’s Office in the near future.

Deputies have dozens of leads to continue to follow-up on. “The events that took place last evening are very troubling in that it has escalated to a new level of violence,” according to Seneca County Undersheriff Gary Sullivan. “We are very fortunate we didn’t have two people die last night.”

Undersheriff Sullivan credited the invaluable assistance provided by the Seneca Falls Police, the New York State Police, New York State Park Police and North and South Seneca Ambulance.


Read more:at SenecaDaily.com http://senecadaily.com/?p=1053301#ixzz3lWrjHa5n
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#1475457 --- 09/12/15 01:33 PM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: Here's Johnny]
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Loc: Lap Dog
I conclude that a couple guys showed up at your store last night with bullet wounds.

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#1475512 --- 09/12/15 10:45 PM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: cwanky]
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Registered: 01/03/10
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Loc: nolongerunder10pilesoftrash
Originally Posted By: cwanky
The problem with these clowns is they think they are a sovereign nation and that sovereign nation exists and travels to where ever they stand .
They have no respect for the white man’s laws or respect for officers of the law that bring that law to their so called sovereignty. There is no sovereignty for the nation and especially for the nation's thugs.

The idea that socially unacceptable behavior is to be handled within “the nation” while “the nation” exists within a community of non native citizens not afforded the same peer group protection and management is simply unacceptable.

Couple that with the concept that we will manage our own until “we” get beyond our peer groups ability to control then we will go off sovereignty and let the pale face law take over.

It is about time to put the wagons in a circle and draw a chalk line around the so called sovereignty. They can't even live with themselves why are we supposed to put up with this behavior where we live?

Great points!

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#1475513 --- 09/12/15 10:55 PM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: Logic]
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Registered: 01/03/10
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Originally Posted By: Logic
What if you can't avoid the area? What if you live on that road? What if a school bus can't even travel on that road to pick up children for school? The Cayuga Nation should be ashamed of themselves and the BIA is a joke. When I called to complain I was transferred to literally 8 different people. This nonsense has been happenening for over 2 years now! The BIA simply says we don't get involved in the internal workings of tribes. That attitude needs to change when law abiding citizens and children are placed in a potentially harmful situation.

This is great you called the BIA! We all knew the BIA is a farce but this is living proof! They have no idea what real world problems they create! These idiots in the BIA sit behind desks in DC and talk about how the natives are being held down and need more help. This joke of an organization is costing taxpayers money to fund and costing us more money by creating stupid laws and grants created specifically for these 600+ tribes that are all over the United States of America.

Honestly, the only people holding the natives down are the natives themselves.

To this day, I still don't know any group of whites (groups - not individual whites as a whole) that receive housing assistance just for being white!

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#1475514 --- 09/12/15 11:21 PM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: cwanky]
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Registered: 07/18/12
Posts: 14335
Loc: CNY
Originally Posted By: cwanky
The problem with these clowns is they think they are a sovereign nation and that sovereign nation exists and travels to where ever they stand .
They have no respect for the white man’s laws or respect for officers of the law that bring that law to their so called sovereignty. There is no sovereignty for the nation and especially for the nation's thugs.

The idea that socially unacceptable behavior is to be handled within “the nation” while “the nation” exists within a community of non native citizens not afforded the same peer group protection and management is simply unacceptable.

Couple that with the concept that we will manage our own until “we” get beyond our peer groups ability to control then we will go off sovereignty and let the pale face law take over.

It is about time to put the wagons in a circle and draw a chalk line around the so called sovereignty. They can't even live with themselves why are we supposed to put up with this behavior where we live?

The actual problem is...

that certain people conveniently disregard the fact that not only are all Native American's sovereigns as per specific definitions described clearly in all UN and US treaty stipulations, but the white man's laws you so flippantly reference clearly ignore the fact that the alleged "wardship dependency" used to justify US domination over the indigenous people's of the America's, is exclusively the product of the genocide committed upon those same people and nothing more. They competently self government for thousands of years prior to white man's arrival and ensuing atrocities.

It's no different than accusing your next door neighbor of being a bad homeowner because YOU, killed his family, let you dogs **** in his yard, dump your sewage in his pool and pour gasoline on his lawn.

White man's laws are the sole cause of each of your "grievances "and yet you amazingly still have the audacity to justify such racism.



WOOF!
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#1475516 --- 09/12/15 11:40 PM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: hearallseeall]
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Registered: 07/18/12
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Loc: CNY
Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
We all knew the BIA is a farce but this is living proof! They have no idea what real world problems they create! These idiots in the BIA sit behind desks in DC and talk about how the natives are being held down and need more help. This joke of an organization is costing taxpayers money to fund and costing us more money by creating stupid laws and grants created specifically for these 600+ tribes that are all over the United States of America.

Honestly, the only people holding the natives down are the natives themselves.

To this day, I still don't know any group of whites (groups - not individual whites as a whole) that receive housing assistance just for being white!

Do you know any of the tens of millions of whites that were systematically exterminated by the aboriginal conquest of this continent???

No? I thought not.
crazy


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#1475519 --- 09/13/15 12:16 AM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: Logic]
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Loc: CNY
Originally Posted By: Logic
You are ridiculous.....innocent people are going to get hurt due to this nonsense. At least call out the violence and argue that those responsible should be brought to justice. A kid on a bike nearly got hit a few weeks ago because of this crap.

I wonder how many Indian kids were "hurt" over the past few hundred years.

Hmmm. whistle
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#1475521 --- 09/13/15 01:50 AM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: Timbo]
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Registered: 01/03/10
Posts: 1981
Loc: nolongerunder10pilesoftrash
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
We all knew the BIA is a farce but this is living proof! They have no idea what real world problems they create! These idiots in the BIA sit behind desks in DC and talk about how the natives are being held down and need more help. This joke of an organization is costing taxpayers money to fund and costing us more money by creating stupid laws and grants created specifically for these 600+ tribes that are all over the United States of America.

Honestly, the only people holding the natives down are the natives themselves.

To this day, I still don't know any group of whites (groups - not individual whites as a whole) that receive housing assistance just for being white!

Do you know any of the tens of millions of whites that were systematically exterminated by the aboriginal conquest of this continent???

No? I thought not.
crazy


WOOF!

I wasn't sure if you were aware but it's 2015! Holding grudges really tears your soul apart, piece by piece.

“Let today be the day you stop being haunted by the ghost of yesterday. Holding a grudge & harboring anger/resentment is poison to the soul. Get even with people...but not those who have hurt us, forget them, instead get even with those who have helped us.”
Steve Maraboli, Life, the Truth, and Being Free

You can read more here:
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/grudges

I think this will help you move on to be a better, happier, and less hateful person.


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#1475523 --- 09/13/15 07:17 AM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: hearallseeall]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Do you know any of the tens of millions of whites that were systematically exterminated by the aboriginal conquest of this continent???

No? I thought not.
crazy


WOOF!

I wasn't sure if you were aware but it's 2015! Holding grudges really tears your soul apart, piece by piece.

“Let today be the day you stop being haunted by the ghost of yesterday. Holding a grudge & harboring anger/resentment is poison to the soul. Get even with people...but not those who have hurt us, forget them, instead get even with those who have helped us.”
Steve Maraboli, Life, the Truth, and Being Free

Funny how the one who's never personally suffered a lifetime under the effects of centuries of past wholesale genocide always mistakenly believes that uttering disposable, insipid, pop-culture platitudes somehow makes up for a half millennia of horrific, grizzly atrocities.

It seems apparent that It's not I that needs to address the issue of becoming a "better, happier, and less hateful person". My soul is clearly not the one in jeopardy, here. whistle
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#1475525 --- 09/13/15 07:43 AM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: Timbo]
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Here is the top story in the FL Times today:

By MIKE HIBBARD
mhibbard@fltimes.com

VARICK — In the words of Seneca County’s undersheriff, the dispute between factions of the Cayuga Nation has reached a new level of violence.

The sheriff ’s department made two arrests Saturday morning and is continuing to investigate a shooting at a Nation-owned home on County Road 124 in Varick Thursday evening. Two people staying in the house, presumably from the Clint Halftown group, suffered gunshot wounds that were not considered life threatening.

Undersheriff Gary Sullivan said deputies and state police responded to the home about 7:40 p.m. after several reports of shots fired. A short time later, two people with gunshot wounds showed up at the LakeSide Trading convenience store and gas station on Route 89 in Seneca Falls.

Dustin Sharp, 30, of Hamburg, Erie County, suffered gunshot wounds to his lower left leg and ankle. Spencer Gauthier, 44, of Salamanca, Cattaraugus County, suffered gunshot wounds to his head, back, left arm, and right side. Both were taken by North Seneca Ambulance to Geneva General Hospital and later transferred to Strong Memorial Hospital in Rochester. Sharp was listed in satisfactory condition Friday while Gauthier was treated and later released.

.................Deputies executed a search warrant on the vehicle and discovered about 10 grams of cocaine, a digital scale, baggies commonly used to package illicit drugs, over $750, a billy club, an electronic stun gun and a black jack. The vehicle was impounded and seized as evidence.


Edited by kyle585 (09/13/15 07:59 AM)
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#1475531 --- 09/13/15 08:37 AM Re: The Battle of Co Rt 124 [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
Hold up a second guys I want to point out something, did you all notice the thread was locked then cherry picked to only contain what they wanted, and they still left the racist post.....


How could anyone miss it?
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