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#1494558 --- 01/22/17 01:15 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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How Trump made small-town America matter again



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#1494559 --- 01/22/17 01:43 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Trump's team are all damn liars. No matter how they try and spin it.

http://www.kitchenerpost.ca/news-story/7...ch-says-it-all/

If there was one Sunday-morning talk show exchange that describes the new reality for the political media - and for the truth - during the President Donald Trump era, this was it.

It was a discussion about White House press secretary Sean Spicer, on his first full day in that job, having taken to the podium and made easily disproved claims about the size of Trump's inauguration crowd.

"Why put him out there for the very first time, in front of that podium, to utter a provable falsehood?" NBC host Chuck Todd asked Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president. The "Meet the Press" host continued, "It's a small thing, but the first time he confronts the public, it's a falsehood?"

After some tense back and forth, Conway offered this:

"Don't be so overly dramatic about it, Chuck. You're saying it's a falsehood, and they're giving - our press secretary, Sean Spicer, gave alternative facts to that. But the point really is -"

At this point, a visibly exasperated Todd cut in. "Wait a minute. Alternative facts? Alternative facts? Four of the five facts he uttered ... were just not true. Alternative facts are not facts; they're falsehoods."

"Fake news" is so yesterday. "Alternative facts" is where it's at now.

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#1494561 --- 01/22/17 02:28 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: kyle585]
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I am so scared for the future of the USA.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-assault-press_us_5884c85fe4b0e3a73569a11d

From Fox news

Chris Wallace similarly challenged Priebus on “Fox News Sunday.” Wallace said Trump had made statements that were “flat wrong” and that there needed to be discussion about “the president’s honesty.” Wallace showed photos of the crowd at Barack Obama’s first inauguration and compared the number of attendees to the crowd gathered at Trump’s. There’s no question that fewer people attended this year.
Fox News Sunday

“I was there on the Mall. ... I am telling you, there were huge empty areas,” Wallace said, saying he saw the difference with his own eyes.

The Sunday show hosts acknowledged that there’s a legitimate debate to be had about whether crowd sizes matter. But the point is that the Trump administration, and the president himself, lied about a matter that was easily verifiable.

Trump made his comments during a visit to the CIA, while standing in front of the agency’s Memorial Wall of heroes. In addition to boasting about how many people attended his inauguration, he talked about the number of times he’s been on magazine covers, called the media “the most dishonest human beings on earth” and accused the press of concocting a feud between him and the CIA.

The media did not make up that feud. Trump himself has compared the intelligence community to Nazis.

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#1494576 --- 01/22/17 07:21 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
I am so scared for the future of the USA.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-assault-press_us_5884c85fe4b0e3a73569a11d

From Fox news

Chris Wallace similarly challenged Priebus on “Fox News Sunday.” Wallace said Trump had made statements that were “flat wrong” and that there needed to be discussion about “the president’s honesty.” Wallace showed photos of the crowd at Barack Obama’s first inauguration and compared the number of attendees to the crowd gathered at Trump’s. There’s no question that fewer people attended this year.
Fox News Sunday

“I was there on the Mall. ... I am telling you, there were huge empty areas,” Wallace said, saying he saw the difference with his own eyes.

The Sunday show hosts acknowledged that there’s a legitimate debate to be had about whether crowd sizes matter. But the point is that the Trump administration, and the president himself, lied about a matter that was easily verifiable.

Trump made his comments during a visit to the CIA, while standing in front of the agency’s Memorial Wall of heroes. In addition to boasting about how many people attended his inauguration, he talked about the number of times he’s been on magazine covers, called the media “the most dishonest human beings on earth” and accused the press of concocting a feud between him and the CIA.

The media did not make up that feud. Trump himself has compared the intelligence community to Nazis.



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The media did not make up that feud. Trump himself has compared the intelligence community to Nazis.






President Trump agrees with you, and you condemn him.


I don't get it?

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#1494577 --- 01/22/17 07:38 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: kyle585]
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Trump stated that he would bring unity to the nations, yes he was correct.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/21/politics/trump-women-march-on-washington/

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#1494578 --- 01/22/17 07:51 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker

President Trump agrees with you, and you condemn him.

I don't get it?
You don't get it? You really don't get it? He is the reason so many of us are scared. His poll numbers are in the high 30's now that people are beginning to see what he is doing after just a couple of days as president. His poll numbers are only going to go down. He may not survive a year at this rate.

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#1494579 --- 01/22/17 07:57 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
President Trump agrees with you, and you condemn him. I don't get it?
You really don't see the problem here? OMG

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-alternative-facts-234011

“Alternative facts” could kill, warn national security and other government veterans, and eventually could unravel the fabric of democracy and America’s standing in the world.

This weekend, it was crowd size. By next week, it could be how many troops were killed, and who was responsible for the attack. Or how successful the American response was. Or whether there is an actual threat to homeland security that requires government action. Or even a dispute with a foreign government over a sensitive detail in negotiations.

Donald Trump kicked off his presidency by spreading falsehoods about how many people came to the National Mall to see him take the oath of office and apparently ordering his staff to do the same — with senior adviser Kellyanne Conway calling such statements “alternative facts.”

Trump and his team frequently stretched — and often broke from — the truth on the campaign trail. But it’s the risk of now applying this combative approach to reality on much more substantive matters of government and national security that has many really worried.

GOP strategist Steve Schmidt’s alternative view: “purposeful deceit, willful lying by a government spokesperson, is the hallmark of a totalitarian or an authoritarian regime. It's absolutely pernicious in a democracy.”

“The issue is small, trivial and stupid — but the act of dishonesty and arguing about it is a big deal,” Schmidt added.

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#1494591 --- 01/23/17 01:46 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker

President Trump agrees with you, and you condemn him.

I don't get it?
You don't get it? You really don't get it? He is the reason so many of us are scared. His poll numbers are in the high 30's now that people are beginning to see what he is doing after just a couple of days as president. His poll numbers are only going to go down. He may not survive a year at this rate.



The Polls are as Fake as the News you post!

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#1494592 --- 01/23/17 01:50 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: ThomasDecker]
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ROTFLMAO, well if they're fake, please summit the 'real' numbers, Yes I'm still laughing due a huge weakness you expose every time you talk, the inability to dispute anything by offering a factual citation.

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#1494593 --- 01/23/17 01:52 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Formermac]
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I can offer a new citation every few minutes in regard to his poll numbers

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/17/politics/trump-administration-approval-inauguration/


Edited by Formermac (01/23/17 02:10 PM)

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#1494595 --- 01/23/17 02:29 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Hahaha!

I'm sorry man, but there's so much ignorant, irrational bias crammed in that comment it's deplorably hilarious.
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#1494599 --- 01/23/17 03:26 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Go unions!

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#1494601 --- 01/23/17 03:48 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: luckyduck]
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Boom! Why Trump won.
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#1494604 --- 01/23/17 04:03 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

Hahaha!

I'm sorry man, but there's so much ignorant, irrational bias crammed in that comment it's deplorably hilarious.




The Media lies, and the really sad fact, you know it, but yet you defend it!

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#1494605 --- 01/23/17 04:06 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Originally Posted By: Teonan

Hahaha!

I'm sorry man, but there's so much ignorant, irrational bias crammed in that comment it's deplorably hilarious.




The Media lies, and the really sad fact, you know it, but yet you defend it!



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#1494607 --- 01/23/17 04:15 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: luckyduck]
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LOL, @Teonan, yes they are that slow!!!

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#1494635 --- 01/23/17 07:15 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Formermac]
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/medicaid-overhaul-republicans-234049

GOP split over Medicaid imperils Obamacare plans

Republicans want to cut costs, return control to states and keep people covered — a near impossibility.


By Burgess Everett, Rachael Bade and Rachana Pradhan 01/23/17 06:38 PM EST

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#1494636 --- 01/23/17 07:33 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: kyle585]
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The honeymoon is definitely over and the GOP's excitement has turn to a horrible realization, we made a vast mistake!!!!!!! Look at the multiple missteps and lies Trump has committed only in 3 days. You know it and they know it but what's a party to do besides feign that he knows what he is doing. Like watching your child run counterclockwise when the others are all running clockwise.You are embarrassed and bewildered but.......hey!!!!! that your child who you must defend and love. tired

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#1494664 --- 01/24/17 09:52 AM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Formermac]
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/23/...turday-15-April

Activists are hoping to keep the momentum alive after a weekend of protest marches and rallies aimed at President Donald Trump.

While last weekend’s marches focused on women’s rights, activists on social media are hoping to use a rally on April 15 to pressure the president into releasing his tax returns.

During the campaign, Trump repeatedly promised to release his returns. However, White House senior adviser Kellyanne Conway said on Sunday that he no longer planned to do so because “people don’t care.”

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#1512468 --- 01/15/18 06:53 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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A Jewish gay Trump supporter in CA
http://thefederalist.com/2018/01/09/coming-republican-democrat-family-went-worse-coming-gay/

I reached my threshold where no amount of hypothetical Republican bigotry or greed could approach the magnitude of hypocrisy, corruption, or criminality I saw rotting Democrats.

By Adam Levine

January 9, 2018

I am not a sex offender. But a number of my friends no longer have time to see me. Lifelong acquaintances now regard me with fear and distrust. I have been unfriended en masse on social media and excoriated by friends who deign to remain. And I have been singly excluded from social gatherings when the rest of my family was invited.

No, I am not a sex offender. I am something even worse than that. I am a Donald Trump supporter.

I was raised in a liberal Jewish family in Washington DC, where my dad served as a Democratic congressman for Los Angeles. Accordingly, I was indoctrinated with all of the correct values and views.

When I was seven, my dad took me on a celebrity-packed camping trip to Death Valley as part of a campaign to protect California’s deserts. Israel took center stage in family discussions. I attended a Quaker elementary school, where I learned the black national anthem before I knew the “Star Spangled Banner.” In high school art class, I even chose to focus on man’s destruction of the environment. I came out to my family as gay at the ripe age of 20, and they were duly overjoyed.

It was always a given that Republicans are bad people, representative of that shameful sliver of our flawed society that values money above the planet and think the world would be better off if everyone were a straight, white male. At a minimum they are racist, misogynistic and homophobic. Left to their own devices, they would exclude ethnic minorities from everything, kick sinful gay offspring onto the streets, and pave our parks over with oil derricks.

Of course, there are the less malicious Republicans, the ones who have fallen victim to their gun-toting, Bible-thumping families and sadly do not know any better than what they have been told. This type is not entirely to blame for their ignorance; they just deserve our pity. These truths are held by my family and our extended social and political networks to be self-evident.

These Ideas Didn’t Work Out Long-Term

When, in my adulthood, the liberal policy agenda became problematic for me, I found myself at a loss. I began to raise questions with my family and friends, and met resistance. It was not because my concerns were particularly inappropriate; I was just not supposed to be questioning at all.

One could disagree with nuances, but not the judgment of the (then) president, or the party. Period. The irony of this apparent intolerance for diversity of thought by the party claiming to champion the rights of groups underserved by the status quo was not lost on me.

For the first time in my progressive life, standing up for the values that I most strongly espouse—truth, morality, self-reliance, boundaries, tolerance, and a healthy dose of Jewish skepticism—was damaging my reputation and character. When I publicly opposed my dad’s support of the Iran deal, I was admonished. I had few friends with whom I could have a civil political conversation: one stopped all communication with me for two weeks because Trump won the presidency.

If Republicans are bad, Trump is nothing less than Satan embodied. Post-election family gatherings devolved into group Trump-bashing, which intensified as more rumors of my dubious views wafted across town. I did not even bother going to gay pride because it was fused with a Resist march. If you do not want to impeach our president, you have no place in gay life.

I was labeled a white supremacist by a friend I’ve known my entire life, and completely dropped with no explanation by another dear friend and self-anointed giant of the gay civil rights movement to whom my father had introduced me 15 years ago.

Your Platitudes Don’t Work Out In Real Life

Yes, I was in despair, but I was also outraged at not being understood for views that felt so plainly obvious to me logically and experientially. These were not pie-in-the-sky views I was advocating in order to provoke. The Affordable Care Act has made medical treatment of my bipolar disorder more expensive than ever. Under the nuclear agreement, Iran flagrantly continues to enrich uranium and fund terrorist activities.

As a small business owner, I am regularly assaulted with financially crushing, nonsensical red tape and bureaucracy, much implemented as lip service to environmental protection. With few exceptions, every one of my good friends feels more economically hopeless after the “recovery” than before, and abject homelessness on the streets of my beloved city has swelled to egregious levels.

In desperation, like a closeted teenager sneaking into a porn theater, I surreptitiously began to explore the forbidden territories of Fox News and other conservative outlets. Incredibly, I found myself agreeing more often than not.

Fine, I thought, but that is where I had to draw the line. A couple of conservative encounters does not a conservative make, right? Until more liberals began to recognize the disingenuousness and destructiveness of my party’s stances, I just resolved to stick it out. I did everything in my power to avoid that one last unspeakable, fatal option: turning Republican.

Harvey Weinstein Was the Last Straw

Then Harvey Weinstein provided me the impetus I lacked: the media outlets that had enabled and covered up his indiscretions for years were the same major public voices for the Democratic Party, the self-proclaimed party of worker’s and women’s rights. The game was up; two and two could no longer be five. I reached my threshold where no amount of hypothetical Republican bigotry or greed could approach the magnitude of hypocrisy, corruption, or criminality I saw rotting the Democrats to the core. I jumped ship.

I found out almost immediately that the Republican Party is not only not evil, but populated with nice, intelligent, humble people. Days after I added myself to the Log Cabin Republican mailing list, I saw an invite to attend a gathering with Chadwick Moore, an independent journalist and one of two lapsed gay Democrats I had heard of.

When Chadwick spoke, I was stunned: every sentence, every nuance and anecdote of his beautifully articulate, moving talk resonated almost identically with my own experience. From Chadwick and the dozens of other Log Cabin attendees that night, I learned I am not the only gay person to question Democrats or to be ostracized for doing so—by a longshot. The political climate has made it prohibitive for most of us to have a voice and find each other.

Seeing virtue (or perhaps just a lack of evil) in my compatriots finally allowed me to see it in myself. I am now certain that I can be a gay, Jewish Republican and still be a good person and a useful citizen.

I Can Help People Rather than Making Someone Else Do It

I can oppose spending on government programs with no accountability and still volunteer my time at the mental health center to serve underprivileged members of society. I can value work and responsibility but also want a safety net for the sick and unemployed. I can fight for a strong Israel and vastly diverge from the Obama doctrine (or the Trump doctrine). I can be actively engaged in the LGBT community and not be forever outraged at a baker.

It took 36 years for me to see through the Democratic mystique of what the Republican Party is. Having done so has enabled me to affirm a deep part of who I am, which runs deeper than religion or sexual orientation, because it is part of what forms me. Sadly, it was a part that I should not ever have had to question in the first place.

If the struggles of the LGBT and Jewish peoples have taught me one thing, it is that I count, I matter, no more or less than any other man—precisely not because of my sexual preferences, or the God I worship, but because I am a citizen of planet Earth. The knowledge there is a major political party that extends this creed to its members has restored a deep-seated hope inside of me for my country’s future.

My next hope is that one or two readers of this will not struggle as hard to realize the same.

Adam Paul Levine holds a BA in painting from Pomona College and a masters in economics from the London School of Economics. He is founder and CEO of the home restoration business Marc Sid Limited, and resides in Los Angeles, California with the most important cat in the world, Jean Valcat.

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