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#1474714 --- 08/27/15 08:47 AM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Timbo]
Formermac Offline
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Love it! Over the last 200 years, we've witnessed White Europeans take this country from the original natives,set up their own set of values, moral and rules to suit our own selfish need. Today, most laws are written for the original masses of the former era, White, Anglo Saxon and Protestant. Now we have the audacity to tell other that you must comply to "our" rules.....NEWS FLASH, take a look at the demographics based on color and ethnicity but who continue to define the rules?


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#1474721 --- 08/27/15 02:59 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Formermac]
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...nt-in-new-poll/

Trump hits 40% in new poll


The Latinos have been blasting Ramos on blogs and THEY claim they are "Americans", not hyphenated Americans. I think Trump has their vote and the polls don't single out white protestants.

Bill Clinton tried to cheer Hillary up today by reminding her that Nelson Mandela was elected President after he got out of prison.

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#1474723 --- 08/27/15 03:08 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Timbo]
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You are correct, $719,000 is WAY too low.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare
To ILLEGAL aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8

2. $22 Billion dollars a year is spent on food
Assistance programs such as food stamps,
WIC, and free school lunches for ILLEGAL aliens.
Verify at:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on
Medicaid for ILLEGAL aliens.
Verify at:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on
Primary and secondary school education
For children here ILLEGALLY and they
Cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at:
http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt....0.HTML

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for
Education for the American-born
Children of ILLEGAL aliens, known as
Anchor babies.
Verify at
http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to
Incarcerate ILLEGAL aliens.
Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/%20TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison
Inmates are ILLEGAL aliens.
Verify at:
[url=Http://transcripts.CNN..com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt...01.HTML][url=Http://transcripts.CNN..com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt...01.HTML][url=Http://transcripts.CNN..com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt...01.HTML]Http://transcripts.CNN..com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt...01.HTML[/url][/url][/url]

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on
ILLEGAL aliens for Welfare & social
Services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at:
http://premium.CNN..com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01..HTML

9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed
American wages are caused by the ILLEGAL Aliens.
Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI

10. in 2006, ILLEGAL aliens sent home
$45 BILLION in remittances to their
Countries of origin.
Verify at:
http://www/..rense.com/general75/niht.htm

11. The Dark Side of ILLEGAL Immigration:
Nearly One million sex crimes committed
By ILLEGAL Immigrants In The United States .
Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

12. The total cost is $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR

http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/thisaa/blog/2012/03/why-usa-bankrupt

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#1474724 --- 08/27/15 03:17 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
Formermac Offline
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...nt-in-new-poll/

Trump hits 40% in new poll


The Latinos have been blasting Ramos on blogs and THEY claim they are "Americans", not hyphenated Americans. I think Trump has their vote and the polls don't single out white protestants.

Bill Clinton tried to cheer Hillary up today by reminding her that Nelson Mandela was elected President after he got out of prison.



Two problems from the past makes your assumptions just that...assumptions. John McCain and Mr. Romney lead Obama in the "Polls" and if history serves me correctly, Obama won both times. In regard to Nelson Mandela, he went to prison for crimes levied by by White Apartheid not criminal in nature. Care to make any other lopsided assessment?

http://www.upworthy.com/nelson-mandela-spent-27-years-in-prison-and-had-this-to-say-when-he-got-out

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#1474728 --- 08/27/15 03:39 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...nt-in-new-poll/

Trump hits 40% in new poll


The Latinos have been blasting Ramos on blogs and THEY claim they are "Americans", not hyphenated Americans. I think Trump has their vote and the polls don't single out white protestants.

Your source is Breitbart? LOL! Wow... that's an unimpeachable source, huh? (note the sarcasm). About as Fair and Balanced as Faux News is.
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#1474731 --- 08/27/15 04:09 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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The GOP deserves to have Trump as their candidate for POTUS.
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#1474736 --- 08/27/15 06:31 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Festus]
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Originally Posted By: Festus
The GOP deserves to have Trump as their candidate for POTUS.

"Every nation gets the government it deserves." -Joseph de Maistre
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#1474746 --- 08/27/15 10:03 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
John McCain and Mr. Romney lead Obama in the "Polls" and if history serves me correctly, Obama won both times.

Hillary lead Obama in the "Polls" and if history serves me correctly, Obama won whistle
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#1474747 --- 08/27/15 10:06 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: sands]
Rich_Tallcot Offline
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Registered: 01/19/03
Posts: 5565
Loc: Greeneville, TN
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/25/oh...h-head-to-head/

Trump 35, Kasich 11, Fiorina 10 in New Hampshire ó with strength head-to-head, Update: Leads by 15 in South Carolina too

If you donít like Trump, console yourself with the fact that no other poll of New Hampshire has showed him this far ahead. However, a Gravis poll of the state taken earlier this month had similar numbers ó Trump 32, Kasich 15 ó so thereís reason to think this isnít an outlier. Whatís more, PPP found Bernie Sanders leading Hillary 42/35 in this same survey, which is strikingly similar to what the Boston Herald found two weeks ago (Sanders 44, Clinton 37).

Of course, that same Herald poll found Trump at just 18 percent in the state, barely more than half of where PPP has him today. Maybe this really is an outlier. Or maybe Trumpmania is spreading.

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#1474749 --- 08/27/15 10:35 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: sands]
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Originally Posted By: sands
Originally Posted By: Formermac
John McCain and Mr. Romney lead Obama in the "Polls" and if history serves me correctly, Obama won both times.

Hillary lead Obama in the "Polls" and if history serves me correctly, Obama won whistle


I love when you prove me correct, remember the statement you made in regard to polls? They mean nothing based on even you own words. whistle

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#1474750 --- 08/27/15 10:43 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/25/oh...h-head-to-head/

Trump 35, Kasich 11, Fiorina 10 in New Hampshire ó with strength head-to-head, Update: Leads by 15 in South Carolina too

If you donít like Trump, console yourself with the fact that no other poll of New Hampshire has showed him this far ahead. However, a Gravis poll of the state taken earlier this month had similar numbers ó Trump 32, Kasich 15 ó so thereís reason to think this isnít an outlier. Whatís more, PPP found Bernie Sanders leading Hillary 42/35 in this same survey, which is strikingly similar to what the Boston Herald found two weeks ago (Sanders 44, Clinton 37).

Of course, that same Herald poll found Trump at just 18 percent in the state, barely more than half of where PPP has him today. Maybe this really is an outlier. Or maybe Trumpmania is spreading.

Your choice of words, not mine, Rich, but in this case I think you have it precisely right.

MANIA

noun: mental illness marked by periods of great excitement, euphoria, delusions, and overactivity.

synonyms: madness, derangement, dementia, insanity, lunacy, psychosis, mental illness;


grin

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#1474756 --- 08/27/15 11:25 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
remember the statement you made in regard to polls?

No.
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#1474758 --- 08/28/15 06:32 AM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Formermac]
Formermac Offline
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Originally Posted By: sands
Originally Posted By: Formermac
John McCain and Mr. Romney lead Obama in the "Polls" and if history serves me correctly, Obama won both times.

Hillary lead Obama in the "Polls" and if history serves me correctly, Obama won whistle


I love when you prove me correct, remember the statement you made in regard to polls? They mean nothing based on even you own words. whistle


Read your quote my man. laugh

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#1474761 --- 08/28/15 09:43 AM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
Lucinda Knotts Offline
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Registered: 01/11/11
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Loc: USA

The following image is from a tweet sent out by the Donald (and later deleted)...

At left, The Man Who Would Be King....



...I get the idea of cash (I am very very rich! Unbelievably rich!)











...and the White House (not as nice as my houses, but I'll fix that)









....but are those Waffen SS on our flag?

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#1474856 --- 08/28/15 10:18 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Lucinda Knotts]
The Mechanic Offline
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Originally Posted By: Lucinda Knotts
I've been watching and listening to Trump since he declared his candidacy. I have yet to hear any specific plan or even the broad outlines of how he would accomplish deportation of 11,000,000+ people without running roughshod over the rights of millions of other people who are either citizens or are in this country legally. And keep in mind that the majority of those 11,000,000+ are part of our economy, shopping in our stores, paying sales taxes (which are an important part of government budgets below the Federal level), and in many cases paying Federal and state income taxes as well as FICA taxes. Currently people are entitled to a hearing before deportation, and the process can take some time without even considering a backlog of 11,000,000 cases. Without hearings, how can one be sure that an individual doesn't have a right to remain here? In short, Trump's "Plan" sounds like a lot of bluster, much like his talk of taking over the oil fields in Iraq.


Ok so illegal aliens with no social security numbers are paying federal and state income taxes as well as social security tax?
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#1474857 --- 08/28/15 10:21 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Formermac]
The Mechanic Offline
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Love it! Over the last 200 years, we've witnessed White Europeans take this country from the original natives,set up their own set of values, moral and rules to suit our own selfish need. Today, most laws are written for the original masses of the former era, White, Anglo Saxon and Protestant. Now we have the audacity to tell other that you must comply to "our" rules.....NEWS FLASH, take a look at the demographics based on color and ethnicity but who continue to define the rules?


Will you be giving any property you own back to the Indians? Oh my. The audacity to tell others that they must comply.
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#1474865 --- 08/28/15 10:47 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: The Mechanic]
Lucinda Knotts Offline
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Originally Posted By: The Mechanic
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Originally Posted By: Lucinda Knotts
I've been watching and listening to Trump since he declared his candidacy. I have yet to hear any specific plan or even the broad outlines of how he would accomplish deportation of 11,000,000+ people without running roughshod over the rights of millions of other people who are either citizens or are in this country legally. And keep in mind that the majority of those 11,000,000+ are part of our economy, shopping in our stores, paying sales taxes (which are an important part of government budgets below the Federal level), and in many cases paying Federal and state income taxes as well as FICA taxes. Currently people are entitled to a hearing before deportation, and the process can take some time without even considering a backlog of 11,000,000 cases. Without hearings, how can one be sure that an individual doesn't have a right to remain here? In short, Trump's "Plan" sounds like a lot of bluster, much like his talk of taking over the oil fields in Iraq.


Ok so illegal aliens with no social security numbers are paying federal and state income taxes as well as social security tax?
Actually yes. Immigrants who entered the country on a temporary work visa are assigned tax ID numbers and they have been paying Federal, state, and local taxes as well as FICA, even though they may currently be illegal because they have overstayed their visa. Others who simply entered the country illegally have been using social security numbers ot tax ID numbers that belong to a relative/friend, or simply a made up number. Regardless, if they are on a payroll, they are all paying local and state sales taxes. But with regard to social security, they will never receive any benefit from the FICA taxes they have paid.

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#1474867 --- 08/28/15 10:57 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Lucinda Knotts]
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Originally Posted By: Lucinda Knotts
Actually yes. Immigrants who entered the country on a temporary work visa are assigned tax ID numbers and they have been paying Federal, state, and local taxes as well as FICA, even though they may currently be illegal because they have overstayed their visa. Others who simply entered the country illegally have been using social security numbers ot tax ID numbers that belong to a relative/friend, or simply a made up number. Regardless, if they are on a payroll, they are all paying local and state sales taxes. But with regard to social security, they will never receive any benefit from the FICA taxes they have paid.


So they use social security numbers or tax i.d. numbers of others just to pay taxes? They make up social security numbers just to pay taxes? Seriously?

When my tax guy a few years ago transposed a couple numbers on my son's social security number it was immediately flagged as an improper number. Wouldn't a made up number that doesn't match the name be caught?

Do illegal aliens who use friends/relatives numbers or made up numbers efile? Do they use Turbotax? Do they hire someone to do their taxes?
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#1474874 --- 08/29/15 07:58 AM Re: Donald Trump [Re: The Mechanic]
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They don't make up social security numbers just to pay taxes -- they make up numbers or use someone else's number (and name) to get on a payroll. Those with IRS issued taxpayer ID numbers aren't worried about getting caught using a bogus SS number. I'm not saying they all file tax returns -- but they pay taxes withheld from a paycheck. They can't apply for public assistance benefits without a SS number either.

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#1474907 --- 08/30/15 07:33 PM Re: Donald Trump [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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http://www.timefortrump2016.com/2015/08/video-donald-trump-wins-nashville.html
NASHVILLE, Tennessee ó After delivering an energetic 50 minute speech using no notes or teleprompter, GOP frontrunner Donald Trump easily won a presidential straw poll conducted at the annual convention of the National Federation of Republican Assemblies, garnering 52 percent of the votes cast.

Tea Party favorite Sen. Ted Cruz finished second with 24 percent, and Dr. Ben Carson, another political outsider and Tea Party friend, finished behind Cruz in third.

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