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#1474560 --- 08/24/15 02:04 PM Re: GOP Bitchunt [Re: Timbo]
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"There has not been one single document or corrosponence correspondence to date that has been identified as "classified" at the time of which they were released to her. Not one." - Timbo post# 1474480 - 08/19/15 10:46 PM

“these emails contained classified information when they were generated” - Timbo post# 1474557 - 44 minutes 55 seconds ago


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#1474561 --- 08/24/15 02:33 PM Re: GOP Witchunt [Re: sands]
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Originally Posted By: sands
"There has not been one single document or correspondence to date that has been identified as "classified" at the time of which they were released to her. Not one." - Timbo post# 1474480 - 08/19/15 10:46 PM

these emails contained classified information when they were generated” - Timbo post# 1474557 - 44 minutes 55 seconds ago

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Obviously they didn't, as the very entity responsible for establishing such status, has clearly stated as much. The status WAS IN FACT, changed retroactively and absolutely no classified information was specifically mentioned. Only referenced. Furthermore, no files were (at the time) marked as "classified".

This is a non-story and you are making a non-argument using non-facts by quoting inaccurate, partial, out-of-context statements by misinformed individuals.

Period.
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#1474566 --- 08/24/15 05:50 PM Re: GOP Witchunt [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: sands
"There has not been one single document or correspondence to date that has been identified as "classified" at the time of which they were released to her. Not one." - Timbo post# 1474480 - 08/19/15 10:46 PM

“these emails contained classified information when they were generated” - Timbo post# 1474557 - 44 minutes 55 seconds ago


"quoting inaccurate, partial, out-of-context statements by misinformed individuals."


Can't argue with that when I quoted Timbo both times whistle
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#1474567 --- 08/24/15 05:52 PM Re: GOP Witchunt [Re: sands]
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You didn't quote me. You quoted out-of-context, a very small segment of someone else's statement.

It must be extremely dark where you go to do your "thinking". eek
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#1474568 --- 08/24/15 06:00 PM Re: GOP Bitchunt [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
The status WAS IN FACT, changed retroactively and absolutely no classified information was specifically mentioned. Only referenced. Furthermore, no files were (at the time) marked as "classified".

These emails were not retroactively classified by the State Department; rather these emails contained classified information when they were generated and, according to IC classification officials, that information remains classified today." - Timbo post #1474557 - 08/24/2015 08:14 AM

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#1474569 --- 08/24/15 06:05 PM Re: GOP Bitchunt [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
You didn't quote me. You quoted out-of-context, a very small segment of someone else's statement.

It's clear that you were presenting it as fact, or you wouldn't have posted it to begin with.” - Timbo Post# 1392148 – 03/15/2013 12:52 PM


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#1474573 --- 08/24/15 07:53 PM Re: GOP Witch-Hunt [Re: sands]
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Originally Posted By: sands
Originally Posted By: Timbo
The status WAS IN FACT, changed retroactively and absolutely no classified information was specifically mentioned. Only referenced. Furthermore, no files were (at the time) marked as "classified".

These emails were not retroactively classified by the State Department; rather these emails contained classified information when they were generated and, according to IC classification officials, that information remains classified today." - Timbo post #1474557 - 08/24/2015 08:14 AM

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Well... it's obvious that you never finished high school. eek
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#1474574 --- 08/24/15 07:57 PM Re: GOP Witch-Hunt [Re: sands]
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Originally Posted By: sands
Originally Posted By: Timbo
You didn't quote me. You quoted out-of-context, a very small segment of someone else's statement.

It's clear that you were presenting it as fact, or you wouldn't have posted it to begin with.” - Timbo Post# 1392148 – 03/15/2013 12:52 PM whistle whistle


What's clear, is that you have all the powers of deduction of a turnip.
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#1474586 --- 08/25/15 02:22 AM Re: Hilliary ....... Prison ? [Re: sands]
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hilliary made the statement that her personal emails are her private business

hilliary should know that her government emails are the governments/taxpayers business and she should not have cleaned the server


did bill clinton conduct his government business when he was prez thru his personal equipment or was it all done thru secure government equipment?

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#1474617 --- 08/25/15 04:34 PM Re: GOP Witch-Hunt [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
hilliary made the statement that her personal emails are her private business

hilliary should know that her government emails are the governments/taxpayers business and she should not have cleaned the server

did bill clinton conduct his government business when he was prez thru his personal equipment or was it all done thru secure government equipment?

And you should know by now (since it's been reported on by countless media outlets) that Clinton turned over all government related files/eMails BEFORE Platte River Network supposedly wiped the servers (the FBI doesn't believe that they were actually wiped, nor has Clinton ever said that they were).

As for her personal correspondence... it belongs to her, and her, alone.
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#1474659 --- 08/26/15 01:58 AM Re: Hilliary ....... Prison ? [Re: bluezone]
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hillary replied to a reporters question about the email

'I...I...I...I...I'

like a kid caught with its hand in the cookie jar

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#1474877 --- 08/29/15 02:57 PM Re: GOP Witchunt [Re: Timbo]
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rom form SF312:

1. Intending to be legally bound, I hereby accept the obligations contained in this Agreement in consideration of my being granted access to classified information. As used in this Agreement, classified information is marked or unmarked classified information, including oral communications, that is classified under the standards of Executive Order 13526, or under any other Executive order or statute that prohibits the unauthorized disclosure of information in the interest of national security; and unclassified information that meets the standards for classification and is in the process of a classification determination as provided in sections 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 and 1.4(e) of Executive Order 13526, or under any other Executive order or statute that requires protection for such information in the interest of national security. I understand and accept that by being granted access to classified information, special confidence and trust shall be placed in me by the United States Government.
2.
We already know the answer to that. At the time she became Secretary of State, she had to have a briefing on classified information and then would be required to sign form SF312. That form certifies that the signer is aware of what documents are classified. Some documents are automatic. Anything learned from foreign diplomats for instance. After having talking with German officials, Hillary emailed her close friend, Sidney Blumenthal and revealed details of those talks.

The thing is that Blumenthal was a private citizen, who Obama strictly forbade Hillary from hiring him for a post in the State Department. Her server creates more problems for her because all classified information must be kept on a government approved and protected device. Not only did Hillary use a private server, she also refused a secured device that would have been provided by the State Department. That means any classified information would be a violation of the Espionage Act. It is also pertinent to note that Blumenthal’s email was hacked and emails between Hillary and Blumenthal were released by the hacker, meaning classified information was breached.

Furthermore, she had an email sent by Huma Abedin that addressed embassy security, that would definitely be classified and also had the 1.4 code attached to it, meaning it was classified. Another email included satellite intelligence, which is always classified. That information, by law may not be transmitted outside the government secured devices.

To date, the number of announced possible classified documents found in Hillary’s emails have reached 305.

It is interesting that the Justice Department assigned the same investigators and the same prosecutor that was used to prosecute Gen Petraeus. By comparison, his crime was penny ante compared to Hillary’s. Violating the Espionage Act is a felony and besides civil and criminal penalties, forbids anyone found guilty from ever holding a position in the federal government again…………..including the presidency.

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#1474879 --- 08/29/15 03:51 PM Re: GOP Witchunt [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Harumph! Harumph! Harumph! All, as you put it, "interesting," but it's not going to make a whit of difference, much to the consternation of those suffering from CDS. For an explanation, read David Ignatius' column from earlier this week

The Hillary Clinton email Scandal That Isn't

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#1474880 --- 08/29/15 05:00 PM Re: GOP Witchunt [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Furthermore, she had an email sent by Huma Abedin that addressed embassy security, that would definitely be classified and also had the 1.4 code attached to it, meaning it was classified. Another email included satellite intelligence, which is always classified. That information, by law may not be transmitted outside the government secured devices.

You're simply, 100%, beyond any doubt WRONG about that.

Again. for the factually challenged... There were no files that were marked as "classified" at the time they were first acquired. Furthermore, any references to classified information were sent by others and contained no specific classified information. Satellite "intelligence" is absolutely NOT always classified. I worked with presicely that very thing on a daily basis during my military service, and therefore have a unique expertise on the matter. No matter HOW much you attempt to falsely portray the facts otherwise.

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-intelligence-agency-opening-up-to-a-changing-world-2015-5
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact...e-email-system/

A basic structural feature of the classification system is that it is permissive, not mandatory, Note that sections 1.1 - 1.4 of Obama’s executive order states that it "MAY" be classified "IF" it meets certain conditions". Not that it must be. That same unambiguous phrasing continues throughout the entire executive order.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information

The executive order does say that "all foreign government information should be presumed to cause damage if disclosed without authorization.” And that is indeed one of the conditions for classification, but in and of itself, it does NOT require classification.

“There is a lot of subjectivity and discretion,” said Thomas S. Blanton, director of the National Security Archive at George Washington University. “It’s an absurdity that anything a foreign government tells you is automatically confidential.”

The more the right tries to make political hay out of an absurd, non-issue, the more obvious it becomes to everyone.
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#1474889 --- 08/29/15 11:14 PM Re: GOP Witch-Hunt [Re: sands]
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And as can be clearly derived from the specific language in the president's executive order, that statement is demonstrably false.
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#1474902 --- 08/30/15 02:15 PM Re: GOP Witchunt [Re: sands]
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Back-pedalling by deleting your previous posts, as usual (*see above), sands ? ? ?

At least have enough simple courage to stand by your endless barrage of incontrovertibly false statements. smirk
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#1474904 --- 08/30/15 04:48 PM Re: GOP Witchunt [Re: Timbo]
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http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2...lly-brain-dead/
2015 by Blaze
Democrat James Carville… ‘80% Of Democrats Are Politically Brain Dead’
Former Bill Clinton campaign manager and Democrat operative, James Carville actually came out and said what all of us on the right have known for years- Democrats are basically clueless politically, easily manipulated by lies and false promises and likened them to a “herd of cows!”

And to prove that the voters below support Hillary’s campaign to repeal the bill of rights and promote the New World Order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZFXkmofgI

Yup, pretty much sums it up.

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#1474905 --- 08/30/15 05:48 PM Re: GOP Witchunt [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Well. That's certainly convincing -- sending out a house shill to ask the leading question, and then edit the video so you only show the ones favorable to your established point of view. Using that technique I could make a video showing that Republicans (name any GOP candidate) overwhelmingly support repeal of the law of gravity and establishment of a fourth reich here in the US! laugh

And of course there's no source provided for that alleged "quote" from Carville. Even the article itself admits that Carville denies ever having made the statement. All it amounts to is another PHD thesis from the right -- BS Piled Higher and Deeper!

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#1474906 --- 08/30/15 10:38 PM Re: GOP Witch-Hunt [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2...lly-brain-dead/
2015 by Blaze
Democrat James Carville… ‘80% Of Democrats Are Politically Brain Dead’
Former Bill Clinton campaign manager and Democrat operative, James Carville actually came out and said what all of us on the right have known for years- Democrats are basically clueless politically, easily manipulated by lies and false promises and likened them to a “herd of cows!”

Not NEARLY as Brain Dead as the drooling idiots who buy into and re-post a long-ago proven internet hoax:

This is what passes for conservative news - a rehashed lie from 2012.

From the Actual Snopes Article:

"In October 2012 the above-referenced quotation in which James Carville purportedly likened the Democratic constituency to "a herd of cows" received wide circulation on the Internet. It appeared to have originated with an unsourced posting to the ThinkExist.com which has been reproduced on a number of other web sites. However, we found no news article, speech, interview transcript, or printed source documenting this statement as one actually made by James Carville, and a representative from his office confirmed that the purported quote was not something Carville himself ever said.

Apparently the quote was falsely posted by an unknown user to a quotations website called thinkexist.com. We have contacted the website and asked them to take the quote down. James Carville never said these words, and this quote in no way belongs to James Carville."
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#1474915 --- 08/31/15 01:46 AM Re: GOP Witchunt [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/29/hillary-collapses-to-37-percent-in-iowa/
Hillary’s support collapses to 37% in Iowa

In the new survey, Hillary has the support of just 37 percent of likely Democrat caucus voters. Sanders has nearly doubled his support, garnering 30 percent in the poll. Vice President Joe Biden, who is not a candidate, earns 14 percent support.

Without Biden in the race, his supporters break a little more than evenly for Hillary, putting her just 8 points ahead of Sanders, 43-35 percent. In May, Hillary had just under 60% of the vote, while Sanders had just 16 percent.

Just goes to show that one CAN run for president and prison at the same time.

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