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#1463403 --- 11/25/14 09:20 AM Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $
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Apple Reaches $700 Billion Valuation:

Apple Inc., already the world’s largest company by market capitalization, hit a new record value: $700 billion.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-25/apple-reaches-700-billion-valuation.html
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#1489422 --- 09/09/16 06:51 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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and their new phone lacks any interesting features
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#1489430 --- 09/09/16 08:42 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
and their new phone lacks any interesting features



Agree 100% and they still have the worst camera front and back in the market.

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#1489446 --- 09/09/16 05:56 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
Originally Posted By: bluezone
and their new phone lacks any interesting features



Agree 100% and they still have the worst camera front and back in the market.


But the fanboys and fangirls will line up at Best Buy for days before to be the first. I laugh every time I see those lines. How can they afford those phones with no jobs!!! Hahaha

What a disappointment the iPhone 7 was.


Edited by justaxme (09/09/16 06:29 PM)
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#1489449 --- 09/09/16 06:38 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
Originally Posted By: bluezone
and their new phone lacks any interesting features.

Agree 100% and they still have the worst camera front and back in the market.

While I generally have tons of respect for you, Doc... your up-to-date knowledge of the latest news from the Tech Sector (as it relates to Apple Inc.) leaves MUCH to be desired.

Watch and Weep as iPhone once again leaves the competition smoldering from radiation burns, as it's new camera tech blasts light years ahead of every other smartphone on the market. cool

WITH THE IPHONE 7, APPLE CHANGED THE CAMERA INDUSTRY FOREVER:
http://www.newyorker.com/business/curren...ndustry-forever

How is the iPhone 7 Plus dual camera different from Android cameras?
http://www.androidcentral.com/how-iphone-7-plus-dual-camera-different-android-cameras

http://www.apple.com/apple-events/september-2016/
http://www.apple.com/iphone/

Comparing spec for spec is a futile waste of time and is totally unrevealing... regardless of how hard Androidiots beat that meaningless drum. The OS/hardware integration is a FAR greater barometer of smartphone prowess.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/09/08/how-iphone-7-stacks-up-against-competition/90089834/
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#1489450 --- 09/09/16 06:47 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: justaxme]
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Originally Posted By: justaxme
the fanboys and fangirls will line up at Best Buy for days before to be the first. I laugh every time I see those lines.

What a disappointment the iPhone 7 was.

You're right we laugh as well. Each time we consider this one word: "malware". whistle

Report: 97% Of Mobile Malware Is On Android:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/...e/#31e799587d53
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#1489452 --- 09/09/16 08:33 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

While I generally have tons of respect for you, Doc... your up-to-date knowledge of the latest news from the Tech Sector (as it relates to Apple Inc.) leaves MUCH to be desired.

Watch and Weep as iPhone once again leaves the competition smoldering from radiation burns, as it's new camera tech blasts light years ahead of every other smartphone on the market. cool

WITH THE IPHONE 7, APPLE CHANGED THE CAMERA INDUSTRY FOREVER:
http://www.newyorker.com/business/curren...ndustry-forever

How is the iPhone 7 Plus dual camera different from Android cameras?
http://www.androidcentral.com/how-iphone-7-plus-dual-camera-different-android-cameras

http://www.apple.com/apple-events/september-2016/
http://www.apple.com/iphone/

Comparing spec for spec is a futile waste of time and is totally unrevealing... regardless of how hard Androidiots beat that meaningless drum. The OS/hardware integration is a FAR greater barometer of smartphone prowess.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/09/08/how-iphone-7-stacks-up-against-competition/90089834/


I must point out that the mobile market does not consist of only Apple and Google products, the offering from Microsoft/Nokia from a few years back offered a 41MP camera on the Lumia 1020 and currently the Lumia 950 offers a 20MP camera with Carl Zeiss optics. I mean I am not up on this modern math and all but I can swear Apple's 12mp is much lower than the 20mp in my phone let alone the 41mp in the 1020

The specs for the 1020

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_1020-5506.php

Specs for the 950

http://www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_lumia_950_xl-7263.php

My current phone that I own has a modest 20mp camera

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_icon-5833.php

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#1489455 --- 09/09/16 10:10 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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C'mon, now "D"... you must know that such specs as mp count are all but meaningless when it comes to assessing camera picture quality. There are dozens of reasons why Apple usually tromps non-Apple devices supposedly possessing "better" specs. Most notably due to better software enhancement, integration, pixel shape, sensor overlap and quality, density, filtration, sensitivity and so on. Bottom line is, Apple is rarely first to market with new tech. But they are unmatched at distilling the essence of excellence and translating their uncanny understanding of human/device interaction, to produce what is usually the far better overall experience.

Your criticisms are as misguided as those of (for instance) Wintel proponents who continually tried to claim that x86 systems were simply "superior" to the PowerPC architecture, just because the MHz wars had Intel and AMD pushing chips at nearly three times the processor speed, only to be handily crushed in benchmark tests and real-world use. Altivec-enabled PPC chips could process quadruple the floating point integers, yet ran way cooler, used far less energy, were (somewhat) more scaleable, less expensive to manufacture, more stable and had shorter but more numerous pipelines in which to unloaded the threads for better memory management.

While I would certainly welcome such individual pluses as Carl Zeiss lenses, etc., if Apple, as numerous, credible comparative tests repeatedly demonstrate, can produce a superior product using better integration rather than poorly integrated high-end specs, what difference does it make?

Anybody who purports to know the current state of tech, knows better than to champion meaningless marketing propaganda. Especially when the results are so well known to be commonly inferior.

Here's why your camera's megapixel count is less important than you think:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Heres-why...u-think_id70114

While I may be digressing somewhat, IMO the only relevant competition is strictly between two opponents (with the exception of occasional "exhibit matches" between a slew of also-rans). And while Android Devices may be report a healthy advantage in number of units sold, Apple makes approximately 90% of ALL the profit made in all of mobile tech, and Apple doesn't even count items sold to retailers to BE sold, as a "unit sold" mad, in the sleazy way that most of the industry does.

Ultimately, Apple can lay claim to a HUGE advantage in customer satisfaction in terms of experience, use, total cost of ownership, tech support and service repair. JD Power, Gartner Inc., Consumer Reports, take your pick. The fact that Microsoft has been metaphorically raped in their own attempts in the mobile market, is simply more evidence of the undeniable IOS/Android dominance. And Android is simply hemorrhaging money by subsidizing their entire mobile division. Meanwhile, Apple's actually making money... lots and LOTS of money.

So, no... not so much a fanboy as simply product savvy.

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#1489456 --- 09/10/16 04:07 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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So basically your saying that because Apple made a new phone that isn't even in the wild yet that they have the best camera.......like ever, actual specs do not matter... That's how you are portraying it. You sound like the biggest fan girl of Apple products without even thinking about what you are saying and attempting to justify it with nonsense.



Oh and when it comes to chips PowerPC was crap hence the change of their entire architecture to intel.


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#1489458 --- 09/10/16 05:29 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
So basically your saying that because Apple made a new phone that isn't even in the wild yet that they have the best camera.......like ever, actual specs do not matter... That's how you are portraying it. You sound like the biggest fan girl of Apple products without even thinking about what you are saying and attempting to justify it with nonsense.



Oh and when it comes to chips PowerPC was crap hence the change of their entire architecture to intel.

That's reductionist reasoning at it's worst and not at all what I said. The virtual sole reason for PPC being replaced was the approaching end of architecture scalability and economic cost of future development. In most every other aspect, PPC was and still is superior to Intel architecture. Power vs energy benefits alone bear this out.

If its good for NASA and the US governments intelligence gathering, communication and weather sattellites, as well as all Mars rovers, it's good enough for you and me.

It's quite clear that I've spent far more time "thinking about" this issue than you ever have. And I don't have to resort to name calling as a response for possessing a weak argument. There's no need to justify that which is simply a FACT.
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#1489459 --- 09/10/16 05:38 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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No, fact is that Apple is attempting to sell outdated tech and pass it off as new to the consumer and some are stupid enough to believe the hype.

Oh and back to the original idea of the post I refuse to buy from a 700 Billion dollar company that is big into slave labor. Foxconn who actually makes the hardware is well known to have suicide nets out the windows from all the previous successful jumps.

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#1489481 --- 09/10/16 05:47 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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With all due respect, D...

Your posts would be far more credible if your tech insight wasn't so often based on 5+ year old news, and if you would just find a position and stick to it.

Issues involving the suicides, date back to January of 1012. Not exactly recent history and much improvement has been made as a combined result of bad publicity and intense pressure FROM Apple. When news of these loathsome conditions were reported, Apple led the charge for immediate action by Foxconn.

While far from perfect, Apple's relationship with its fabrication partners has undergone substantial improvements in labor conditions over the past several years. In fact, they often garner some of the the best ratings of any competitor in terms of overseas labor practices, environmental responsibility and in low-impact materials extraction processes. Apple isn't the only company to use Foxconn for it's fabrication needs. Just think of THAT the next time you use a device using Intel chips or motherboards, or any computer or device from Asus, Acer, Amazon BlackBerry, Cisco, Dell, Google, HP, Microsoft, Motorola, Nintendo, Nokia, Sharp, Sony, Toshiba, Visio or Xiaomior.

Foxconn also has factories in Brazil, throughout Europe, India, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, South Korea and soon in The United States. So, your selective grievances are disingenuous to say the least.

Currently, no other hardware company comes even remotely close to having improved labor standards overseas. There is of course, ALWAYS room for improvement. Nevertheless, Apple has gone to far greater lengths to improve these conditions than any of it's contemporaries ever have.

I challenge you to research labor conditions at other tech fab facilities. Which is not to excuse such horrible past abuses of workers, rather, it should serve to illustrate the fact that the company which you single out, has likely done more in recent years to improve work standards overseas, than any other company in the industry.
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#1489483 --- 09/10/16 06:05 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
No, fact is that Apple is attempting to sell outdated tech and pass it off as new to the consumer and some are stupid enough to believe the hype.

Someone who owned an iPhone really hurt you once, didn't they? crazy

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/iphone-7-vs-samsung-galaxy-s7-1
http://www.pcmag.com/news/347660/iphone-7-vs-samsung-galaxy-s7-ios-and-android-face-off
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/iphone-7-vs-galaxy-s7-8793185
http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/smartphon...s-best-for-you/
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#1489488 --- 09/11/16 05:08 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

With all due respect, D...

Your posts would be far more credible if your tech insight wasn't so often based on 5+ year old news, and if you would just find a position and stick to it.

Issues involving the suicides, date back to January of 1012. Not exactly recent history and much improvement has been made as a combined result of bad publicity and intense pressure FROM Apple. When news of these loathsome conditions were reported, Apple led the charge for immediate action by Foxconn.


If you fact check further than the first article on google you will discover that I am right as rain. Foxconn is an awful company that exploits its workers for pure profit, and only within the last year or 2 has apple actually publicly said something about the "problem" after repeated attempts by the UN to stop it.

As for your earlier statement about the PowerPC and my statement about PowerPC being garbage, there are videos as well as written articles with Steve Jobs that stated Apple's primary motivation for the transition was their disappointment with the progress of IBM's development of PowerPC technology.

On a side note at least its not the Samsung Explode-o-Phone aka the Samsung Galaxy Note7.

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#1489492 --- 09/11/16 09:15 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
If you fact check further than the first article on google you will discover that I am right as rain. Foxconn is an awful company that exploits its workers for pure profit, and only within the last year or 2 has apple actually publicly said something about the "problem" after repeated attempts by the UN to stop it.

As for your earlier statement about the PowerPC and my statement about PowerPC being garbage, there are videos as well as written articles with Steve Jobs that stated Apple's primary motivation for the transition was their disappointment with the progress of IBM's development of PowerPC technology.

On a side note at least its not the Samsung Explode-o-Phone aka the Samsung Galaxy Note7.

Precisely as I stated above... an "approaching end of architecture scalability and economic cost of future development."

As for Apple publicly acknowledging severe problems at Foxconn, you're simply wrong on your "facts" (again). As I stated previously, It began at LEAST five years ago, when Apple announced it had hired the non-profit Fair Labor Association to audit working conditions at Foxconn, NOT two.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2012/09/12/apples-new-foxconn-embarrassment/#137421118ae6
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/12/2...itions-in-china
https://thinkprogress.org/following-prog...aa65#.vl94p8xl1

I don't know where you get your flawed information from, perhaps you should try using Google, instead. whistle grin

No one's denying Foxconn's detestable labor practices.
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#1489499 --- 09/11/16 10:41 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

No one's denying Foxconn's detestable labor practices.


....annnnnnddddd........ You just like to have the last word.

Least we forget Apple flat out refusing to decipher a terrorists phone fully due to privacy, then a few months later hand over the info to shut down and arrest a torrent site owner.

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#1489504 --- 09/11/16 12:03 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
Originally Posted By: Timbo

No one's denying Foxconn's detestable labor practices.

....annnnnnddddd........ You just like to have the last word.

Least we forget Apple flat out refusing to decipher a terrorists phone fully due to privacy, then a few months later hand over the info to shut down and arrest a torrent site owner.

And yet, here you are. wink

It would appear that I'm not half the Apple fanboy as you are a Mac bigot. I was under the impression that your issue was with allegedly inferior iPhone specs.

Vaulin was overseeing reproduction and distribution of more than a Billion Dollars worth of illegally copied movies, video games, TV shows, and music albums, by using Apple's proprietary services for which Apple was legally responsible for enforcing it's copyright contracts with it's content providers as well as by Federal law.

How it happened and why Apple released the information:
Vaulin was operating his fan page on Facebook. All his crucial details, including IP address and other information, were with Facebook. On US’ request, Facebook provided the details, and the logging address was hosted on an email server owned by Apple.

The email address Vaulin used to purchase iTunes was the same he was using to get alerts relating to administrative tasks on Kickass Torrents. There was unquestionable evidence to establish that Vaulin was committing blatantly illegal acts expressly forbidden under Apple's end-user license agreement.

NONE of which can can be conversely claimed.
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#1489508 --- 09/11/16 01:30 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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Ah Ha jokes on you I own a Titanium MacBook....

But seriously I am well aware of how he got caught.

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#1489510 --- 09/11/16 02:06 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Ah Ha jokes on you I own a Titanium MacBook....

Jokes actually on YOU!!! Apple NEVER made a Titanium MacBook. EVER.

You need to give it up, D. You obviously have a severely limited grasp of Apple, it's products, their performance, the company's history and it's policies.

At least you've finally stopped insisting (incorrectly) that Mac OS X viruses exist anywhere in the wild.
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#1489511 --- 09/11/16 02:11 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
But seriously I am well aware of how he got caught.

Then you should ALSO be well aware of the fact that those two situations are entirely different when context is taken into account (as it always should be).

And just so we're completely clear on the matter... Advanced RISC Machines (ARM) chips used on most modern mobile devises are RISC-based processors, and are clearly the de facto standard in mobile processors due to a virtually identical instruction set as that of PowerPC processors.

So... whaddaya think of THEM Apples??? grin
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#1489515 --- 09/11/16 05:13 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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#1489522 --- 09/11/16 06:30 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Now THAT'S Funny.

You repeatedly make demonstrably ludicrous assertions about subjects of which you have little knowledge, are then provided corroborated evidence of the actual facts, you refuse to acknowledge the erroneous nature of your hypocritical and untrue comments by digging in your heels in an ambarrassing effort to sound as if you know what you're talking about (after you've clearly demonstrated that you don't), then have the audacity to suggest that the OTHER guy has a problem with an inflated ego??? That's one serious Martyr Complex, you're wrestling with.

At least you've got excellent taste in comedic parody performers. In some strange, convoluted way, it must be a subconscious complement, on your part.

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#1489527 --- 09/11/16 07:25 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

In some strange, convoluted way, it must be a subconscious complement, on your part.

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You get it smile , I was getting a bit worried my sarcasm had reached a new point.

I however know a lot of something when it comes to technology, you can debate all you would like no matter how wrong you are.

In the end my standpoint is this, use what technology you are comfortable with and not everything you read is accurate even if someone quotes many biased articles.

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#1489534 --- 09/11/16 11:11 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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In the end my standpoint is this, use what technology you are comfortable with and not everything you read is accurate even if someone quotes many biased articles.

No... In the end, you're just backpedaling by now saying that "people should use what technology [they] are comfortable with" immediately after criticizing that "some [people] are stupid enough to believe the hype" by doing precisely that very thing.

Now, for your other point... do you have ANY evidence whatsoever to base your accusations of biased reporting, OR... are things biased ONLY when YOU disagree with the findings? I CHALLENGE you to produce the tiniest crumb of credible evidence to support any of your ridiculous assertions (such as they are).

You couldn't possibly be more duplicitous if you tried. Freud would have had a field day with you, Pal. crazy
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#1489544 --- 09/12/16 09:06 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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No... In the end, you're just backpedaling by now saying that "people should use what technology [they] are comfortable with" immediately after criticizing that "some [people] are stupid enough to believe the hype" by doing precisely that very thing.

Now, for your other point... do you have ANY evidence whatsoever to base your accusations of biased reporting, OR... are things biased ONLY when YOU disagree with the findings? I CHALLENGE you to produce the tiniest crumb of credible evidence to support any of your ridiculous assertions (such as they are).

DoctorD is the awesomest, he roxxors teh big 11111 crazy


No, actually what I am saying is just what I had already stated just making another statement to further justify my previous statement.

Wrap your head around the statement you made in reply to my statement about slave labor, to me what you wrote trivialized the fact that they still have SLAVE labor. It does not matter if they addressed the issue or acknowledged it 4 years back or 2 years back, it is still happening today and it is not my opinion it is FACT.

When you discuss a product such as an IPhone and search sites that are in a direct relationship with Apple such a "appleinsider" and "thinkprogess" you will not get a truly honest review. Reading news sites that are purely apple biased would be akin to watching Fox news and taking every word they say as the truth. Out of the 10+ tech web news sites that I read daily sometimes they conflict on what is real and opinion it is up to me the reader to decide for myself.

First hand example, one of my kids own a IPhone 6+, another owns a Galaxy 6, and I have a Lumia Icon.. Go and compare the handsets online and tell me what you find when it comes to camera quality.... See if it lines up with my next statement, Icon wins. At home we could do a review all day long on the pros and cons of each handset since my household has all 3 but in the end it is our opinions vs others.

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#1489546 --- 09/12/16 09:43 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
Go and compare the handsets online and tell me what you find when it comes to camera quality.... See if it lines up with my next statement, Icon wins.

Do you mean THESE reviews? whistle
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-6-vs-lumia-icon/
https://www.neowin.net/news/camera-shootout-lumia-icon-vs-iphone-6

The iPhone clearly has more natural color and a far greater tonal range. Given the choice, any half-serious photographer/videographer would almost certainly pick the iPhone. As far as white balance, both are slightly off-gamut. Icon is too cool and iPhone is too warm. But photographers/editors virtually always adjust photos to the "warm", because of the more naturally appealing hues.

No doubt, a person should buy what best fits their needs. But your original point was that iPhone cameras were somehow inferior. My point is, and I've presented credible evidence to support the fact that your spec-based criteria for asssesing camera performance is not only completely untrue, but so is your statement. In fact, in most every way that's important, it's better than most, INCLUDING the Icon all things being equal).

I suggest that you read this. Unless of course The Verge doesn't meet with YOUR notion of a non-biased source.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/12/12886058/iphone-7-specs-competition
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#1489547 --- 09/12/16 10:15 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
to me what you wrote trivialized the fact that they still have SLAVE labor. It does not matter if they addressed the issue or acknowledged it 4 years back or 2 years back, it is still happening today and it is not my opinion it is FACT.

1) Then you're misinterpreting what I said.

2) It is certainly NOT slave labor, however grossly distasteful it may still be. Nor is it anymore Apple's Doing that it is WAS Nokia's, nor any of the dozen or so other major companies using Foxconn.

3) Yet YOU were the one to bring it up as part of your argument. crazy

4) It is NOT happening to the degree that you are representing, so, NO, it is in deed, NOT a fact.

In your desperation to tar and feather Apple for all humanities sins, you've hyjacked this thread into one about the horrors of globalization... but since where're here, here's my take...

You'll get no argument from me about the disgusting realities of labor practices around the globe. I'm one of the biggest critics of NAFTA and the current state of the global economy (but not global economy per se). I try to make change where I can by doing things like not voting for those who would most contribute to such practices. I try to buy products from better, more responsible companies, I'm exceedingly careful to consider damage to resources, etc, I leave a comparatively small footprint on the planet. I'm politically active and try to put my money where my mouth is.

Until you surrender for recycling, your cars, technology and anything else that was made in such factories (especially in Asia), you're simply in no position to lob theses criticisms because you're equally as guilty of supporting such practices, and that makes you a raging hypocrite.
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#1489549 --- 09/12/16 10:31 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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[quote=Timbo]When you discuss a product such as an IPhone and search sites that are in a direct relationship with Apple such a "appleinsider" and "thinkprogess" you will not get a truly honest review. Reading news sites that are purely apple biased would be akin to watching Fox news and taking every word they say as the truth. Out of the 10+ tech web news sites that I read daily sometimes they conflict on what is real and opinion it is up to me the reader to decide for myself.

Oh, c'mon, get a grip... Just because something features content about a specific subject does NOT by default make it biased. It certainly has no right to be compared to political propaganda outlets.

If you've ever spent ANY substantive time around AppleInsider, you know that they're some of the harshest critics of Apple and it's products.

Performance is established by corroboration though direct, real-world observation, not thru running meaningless tick-lists.

You have a compulsive proclivity for insisting others should take as gospel, utterly non-disseminating specification lists, while simultaneously discounting out-of-hand, learned articles, professional experience and credible citation.

The very DEFINITION of BIAS.
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#1489552 --- 09/12/16 11:00 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
Go and compare the handsets online and tell me what you find when it comes to camera quality.... See if it lines up with my next statement, Icon wins.

Do you mean THESE reviews? whistle
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-6-vs-lumia-icon/
https://www.neowin.net/news/camera-shootout-lumia-icon-vs-iphone-6

The iPhone clearly has more natural color and a far greater tonal range. Given the choice, any half-serious photographer/videographer would almost certainly pick the iPhone. As far as white balance, both are slightly off-gamut. Ideal is too cool and iPhone is too warm. But photographers/editors virtually always adjust photos to the "warm", because of the more naturally appealing hues.

No doubt, a person should buy what best fits their needs. But your original point was that iPhone cameras were somehow inferior. My point is, and I've presented credible evidence to support the fact that your spec-based criteria for asssesing camera performance is not only completely untrue, but so is your statement. In fact, in most every way that's important, it's better than most, INCLUDING the Icon all things being equal).

I suggest that you read this. Unless of course The Verge doesn't meet with YOUR notion of a non-biased source.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/12/12886058/iphone-7-specs-competition


Oddly enough I am a member of 2 of those sites and if you read the comments from Neowin they are pretty blunt on how it isn't the same lighting or in some cases angle and zoom. Some of the comments included "Not an accurate comparison, the iphone 6 is either closer, or zoomed it to the object. Need to take same / same pictures" or "Different angles, pure marketing here." The first reply on digital trends was "this is a clearly biased article by a pathetic isheep" fanboy"

Good article on the Verge and a pretty accurate statement of "Carriers are keeping the odds stacked in Apple’s favor, too"

With all that aside in my house we have all decided that the Icon takes the best outdoor day/night pics, the IPhone takes the best indoor pics and the G6 takes the best action pics.

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#1489553 --- 09/12/16 11:13 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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If you've ever spent ANY substantive time around AppleInsider, you know that they're some of the harshest critics of Apple and it's products.


Oh horsecrap they are spoon-feeding the readers what they want them to believe.


***On a side note we would make for one heck of a podcast... We could call it FL1 Tech and Coffee****

Just how I picture it

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#1489575 --- 09/12/16 02:05 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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***On a side note we would make for one heck of a podcast... We could call it FL1 Tech and Coffee****

As long as it's GOOD coffee, I'm in. grin
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#1489577 --- 09/12/16 02:25 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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With all that aside in my house we have all decided that the Icon takes the best outdoor day/night pics, the IPhone takes the best indoor pics and the G6 takes the best action pics.

Which brings me full circle to ask you to explain the logic underlying your original comment. confused

Or had you just not had your coffee, yet?
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#1489580 --- 09/12/16 04:17 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Yikes guys. And here I've been leaning toward the Samsung Galaxy S7.


Smartphone update


newbieitus


kicking


in.

>> shocked
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#1489583 --- 09/12/16 06:40 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Oddly enough I am a member of 2 of those sites and if you read the comments from Neowin they are pretty blunt on how it isn't the same lighting or in some cases angle and zoom. Some of the comments included "Not an accurate comparison, the iphone 6 is either closer, or zoomed it to the object. Need to take same / same pictures" or "Different angles, pure marketing here."

Then frankly, each of those commenters is an abject idiot.

Anyone can plainly see that they are indeed taken at the same time, in the same light under the same conditions. The apparent differences, are clearly a result of the camera's unique idiosyncrasies. They have no way of knowing wether the zoom is the same or not. Not without a close analysis of each respective lens.

We're on MY turf here, D. I have more than a little expertise in these matters.

I'd hate to think that you're in agreement with them. That would go a loooong way towards undermining your credibility, as well as theirs. shocked

I'll just write it off as one more lame attempt at frantically defending your indefensible comments.
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#1489586 --- 09/12/16 07:25 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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We're on MY turf here, D. I have more than a little expertise in these matters.

I'd hate to think that you're in agreement with them. That would go a loooong way towards undermining your credibility, as well as theirs. shocked

I'll just write it off as one more lame attempt at frantically defending your indefensible comments.


You seem a bit edgy tonight perhaps its time to switch to decaffeinated, if you look at the picture of the xbox controller you can clearly see its quite a different picture.

What turf are you discussing, FL1 (unless your initials are JS or JU or TP that's not happening) or phone tech in general? I am no expert in phones nor will not admit to knowing more than I read or have had hands on experience with.

Here is a video that shows a bit more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsCWGOodrsY

Skip to about 10 mins in for the newer lumia 950 vs iPhone 6 compare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjnI9kusJPg

Another cam compare Galaxy S7 vs Xperia Z5, Lumia 1020, iPhone 6s, Mi5 Camera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=446GfntOh6A

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#1489587 --- 09/12/16 07:45 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Teonan]
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As long as its not a Note 7, Teonan you are fine

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#1489590 --- 09/12/16 09:11 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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if you look at the picture of the xbox controller you can clearly see its quite a different picture.

A different picture taken on a smartphone with a better integrated camera, The background is the same, the lighting is the same and the shadow halo is the same.

The only difference is the clarity. The aperture simply has a different (read BETTER) focal length for macro shots (note the fisheye-lensing effect). The obvious color variations are a result of the camera and it's limitations. As far as sharpness goes, the "zoom" as you incorrectly refer to the macro, is far, FAR superior on the iPhone.

High-rez photography has been one of the main professional tools in my arsenal for over 40 years throughout my military and civilian career. The process of photographic technique is expertly within the wheel well of my professional skill set.

To a trained eye, the iPhone CLEARLY does more overall with superficially less, than does the Icon.
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#1489591 --- 09/12/16 09:29 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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As long as its not a Note 7, Teonan you are fine

Of course, I'm going to argue an altogether different point of view:

Don't Buy These Phones.

Not every phone is a winner. Check out the handsets that will only crush your mobile dreams.

http://www.cnet.com/news/dont-buy-these-phones-roundup/


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#1489614 --- 09/13/16 09:30 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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... the Samsung Explode-o-Phone aka the Samsung Galaxy Note7.

Probably Rejected All That Android Malware. grin

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#1489616 --- 09/13/16 09:48 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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Update to the Galaxy 7 Note on the Nope list, you can now add the Samsung Galaxy Core to the el catcho-on-fire in Samsung's lineup......

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Sam...-393131791.html

I changed my mind on Apple's Q.C. after this.

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#1489617 --- 09/13/16 10:22 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Update to the Galaxy 7 Note on the Nope list, you can now add the Samsung Galaxy Core to the el catcho-on-fire in Samsung's lineup......

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Sam...-393131791.html

I changed my mind on Apple's Q.C. after this.

It is time... wink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1wjvP-raOI
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#1489619 --- 09/13/16 10:28 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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you can now add the Samsung Galaxy Core to the el catcho-on-fire in Samsung's lineup......

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Sam...-393131791.html

One hell of a camera, though. grin
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#1489621 --- 09/13/16 11:15 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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About that I see it a bit more this way Start it at 1:49 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWlJndr3BKE


On a side note I am well aware that the forum software allows us to embed videos......... Hey FL1Tech are you out there? How about the ability to embed videos turned on to users with over 5000 posts?

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#1489623 --- 09/13/16 11:38 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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grin
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#1489899 --- 09/20/16 03:43 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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Stunning photo samples show just how impressive iPhone 7’s new cameras are.

http://bgr.com/2016/09/19/iphone-7-plus-camera-samples-photos/

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#1489900 --- 09/20/16 03:51 AM Apple Stuff [Re: Timbo]
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iPhone 7 vs. Galaxy Note 7 speed test: This is just embarrassing…
http://bgr.com/2016/09/19/iphone-7-vs-note-7-specs-speed-test-video/

"So what happened when we pitted Samsung’s Galaxy Note 7 against the new iPhone 7? We typically try not to spoil the results but this time around, we can’t help ourselves: Apple’s new iPhone 7 absolutely crushed the Note 7. It wasn’t even close. In fact, it was embarrassing. And this test was performed using the smaller iPhone 7, which only has 2GB of RAM compared to 3GB in the larger iPhone 7 Plus (we can undoubtedly expect to see an iPhone 7 Plus test soon enough)."

Just how brutal was the beating? Watch the Video:
https://youtu.be/k_PK_6F_Bhk

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#1489911 --- 09/20/16 08:22 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $


Originally Posted By: Timbo

Stunning photo samples show just how impressive iPhone 7’s new cameras are.


and how much of that $700 BILLION did apple spend to improve a camera?

whistle
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#1489913 --- 09/20/16 09:04 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $


Originally Posted By: Timbo

Stunning photo samples show just how impressive iPhone 7’s new cameras are.


and how much of that $700 BILLION did apple spend to improve a camera?

whistle


They bought into it Corephotonics http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-technology-transforms-phone-camera-imaging/

As for the image tech for the vastly improved I7 camera the software comes with some help from the guy that help make the Nokia Pureview camera tech.

pretty interesting article
http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/21719_Camera_phone_zoom_test_Lumia_1.php

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#1489922 --- 09/20/16 11:23 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Yes, but built to Apple's highly customized specifications.

It would be like comparing RISC chips manufactured by the same fabricator. Virtually all smartphones use them, but Apple's A10 processors are extremely proprietary and when teamed with such excellent hardware and software optimization, simply lays-waste to the competition by virtually every metric available.
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#1489923 --- 09/20/16 11:29 AM Apple Stuff [Re: bluezone]
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and how much of that $700 BILLION did apple spend to improve a camera?whistle

Pointlessly irrelevant.
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#1490121 --- 09/28/16 08:30 AM iPhone Bests Competition [Re: Timbo]
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Apple's iPhone 7 camera tops competition despite smaller sensor in DxOMark review:

https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Apple-iPhone-7-camera-review-better-than-ever
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#1490825 --- 10/18/16 06:33 AM Re: Apple home fails [Re: DR. D]
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home button fails to operate on Iphone

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