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#1463403 --- 11/25/14 09:20 AM Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $
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Apple Reaches $700 Billion Valuation:

Apple Inc., already the world’s largest company by market capitalization, hit a new record value: $700 billion.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-25/apple-reaches-700-billion-valuation.html
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#1489422 --- 09/09/16 06:51 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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and their new phone lacks any interesting features
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#1489430 --- 09/09/16 08:42 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
and their new phone lacks any interesting features



Agree 100% and they still have the worst camera front and back in the market.

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#1489446 --- 09/09/16 05:56 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
Originally Posted By: bluezone
and their new phone lacks any interesting features



Agree 100% and they still have the worst camera front and back in the market.


But the fanboys and fangirls will line up at Best Buy for days before to be the first. I laugh every time I see those lines. How can they afford those phones with no jobs!!! Hahaha

What a disappointment the iPhone 7 was.


Edited by justaxme (09/09/16 06:29 PM)
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#1489449 --- 09/09/16 06:38 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
Originally Posted By: bluezone
and their new phone lacks any interesting features.

Agree 100% and they still have the worst camera front and back in the market.

While I generally have tons of respect for you, Doc... your up-to-date knowledge of the latest news from the Tech Sector (as it relates to Apple Inc.) leaves MUCH to be desired.

Watch and Weep as iPhone once again leaves the competition smoldering from radiation burns, as it's new camera tech blasts light years ahead of every other smartphone on the market. cool

WITH THE IPHONE 7, APPLE CHANGED THE CAMERA INDUSTRY FOREVER:
http://www.newyorker.com/business/curren...ndustry-forever

How is the iPhone 7 Plus dual camera different from Android cameras?
http://www.androidcentral.com/how-iphone-7-plus-dual-camera-different-android-cameras

http://www.apple.com/apple-events/september-2016/
http://www.apple.com/iphone/

Comparing spec for spec is a futile waste of time and is totally unrevealing... regardless of how hard Androidiots beat that meaningless drum. The OS/hardware integration is a FAR greater barometer of smartphone prowess.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/09/08/how-iphone-7-stacks-up-against-competition/90089834/
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#1489450 --- 09/09/16 06:47 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: justaxme]
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Originally Posted By: justaxme
the fanboys and fangirls will line up at Best Buy for days before to be the first. I laugh every time I see those lines.

What a disappointment the iPhone 7 was.

You're right we laugh as well. Each time we consider this one word: "malware". whistle

Report: 97% Of Mobile Malware Is On Android:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/...e/#31e799587d53
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#1489452 --- 09/09/16 08:33 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

While I generally have tons of respect for you, Doc... your up-to-date knowledge of the latest news from the Tech Sector (as it relates to Apple Inc.) leaves MUCH to be desired.

Watch and Weep as iPhone once again leaves the competition smoldering from radiation burns, as it's new camera tech blasts light years ahead of every other smartphone on the market. cool

WITH THE IPHONE 7, APPLE CHANGED THE CAMERA INDUSTRY FOREVER:
http://www.newyorker.com/business/curren...ndustry-forever

How is the iPhone 7 Plus dual camera different from Android cameras?
http://www.androidcentral.com/how-iphone-7-plus-dual-camera-different-android-cameras

http://www.apple.com/apple-events/september-2016/
http://www.apple.com/iphone/

Comparing spec for spec is a futile waste of time and is totally unrevealing... regardless of how hard Androidiots beat that meaningless drum. The OS/hardware integration is a FAR greater barometer of smartphone prowess.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/09/08/how-iphone-7-stacks-up-against-competition/90089834/


I must point out that the mobile market does not consist of only Apple and Google products, the offering from Microsoft/Nokia from a few years back offered a 41MP camera on the Lumia 1020 and currently the Lumia 950 offers a 20MP camera with Carl Zeiss optics. I mean I am not up on this modern math and all but I can swear Apple's 12mp is much lower than the 20mp in my phone let alone the 41mp in the 1020

The specs for the 1020

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_1020-5506.php

Specs for the 950

http://www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_lumia_950_xl-7263.php

My current phone that I own has a modest 20mp camera

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_icon-5833.php

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#1489455 --- 09/09/16 10:10 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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C'mon, now "D"... you must know that such specs as mp count are all but meaningless when it comes to assessing camera picture quality. There are dozens of reasons why Apple usually tromps non-Apple devices supposedly possessing "better" specs. Most notably due to better software enhancement, integration, pixel shape, sensor overlap and quality, density, filtration, sensitivity and so on. Bottom line is, Apple is rarely first to market with new tech. But they are unmatched at distilling the essence of excellence and translating their uncanny understanding of human/device interaction, to produce what is usually the far better overall experience.

Your criticisms are as misguided as those of (for instance) Wintel proponents who continually tried to claim that x86 systems were simply "superior" to the PowerPC architecture, just because the MHz wars had Intel and AMD pushing chips at nearly three times the processor speed, only to be handily crushed in benchmark tests and real-world use. Altivec-enabled PPC chips could process quadruple the floating point integers, yet ran way cooler, used far less energy, were (somewhat) more scaleable, less expensive to manufacture, more stable and had shorter but more numerous pipelines in which to unloaded the threads for better memory management.

While I would certainly welcome such individual pluses as Carl Zeiss lenses, etc., if Apple, as numerous, credible comparative tests repeatedly demonstrate, can produce a superior product using better integration rather than poorly integrated high-end specs, what difference does it make?

Anybody who purports to know the current state of tech, knows better than to champion meaningless marketing propaganda. Especially when the results are so well known to be commonly inferior.

Here's why your camera's megapixel count is less important than you think:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Heres-why...u-think_id70114

While I may be digressing somewhat, IMO the only relevant competition is strictly between two opponents (with the exception of occasional "exhibit matches" between a slew of also-rans). And while Android Devices may be report a healthy advantage in number of units sold, Apple makes approximately 90% of ALL the profit made in all of mobile tech, and Apple doesn't even count items sold to retailers to BE sold, as a "unit sold" mad, in the sleazy way that most of the industry does.

Ultimately, Apple can lay claim to a HUGE advantage in customer satisfaction in terms of experience, use, total cost of ownership, tech support and service repair. JD Power, Gartner Inc., Consumer Reports, take your pick. The fact that Microsoft has been metaphorically raped in their own attempts in the mobile market, is simply more evidence of the undeniable IOS/Android dominance. And Android is simply hemorrhaging money by subsidizing their entire mobile division. Meanwhile, Apple's actually making money... lots and LOTS of money.

So, no... not so much a fanboy as simply product savvy.

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#1489456 --- 09/10/16 04:07 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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So basically your saying that because Apple made a new phone that isn't even in the wild yet that they have the best camera.......like ever, actual specs do not matter... That's how you are portraying it. You sound like the biggest fan girl of Apple products without even thinking about what you are saying and attempting to justify it with nonsense.



Oh and when it comes to chips PowerPC was crap hence the change of their entire architecture to intel.


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#1489458 --- 09/10/16 05:29 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
So basically your saying that because Apple made a new phone that isn't even in the wild yet that they have the best camera.......like ever, actual specs do not matter... That's how you are portraying it. You sound like the biggest fan girl of Apple products without even thinking about what you are saying and attempting to justify it with nonsense.



Oh and when it comes to chips PowerPC was crap hence the change of their entire architecture to intel.

That's reductionist reasoning at it's worst and not at all what I said. The virtual sole reason for PPC being replaced was the approaching end of architecture scalability and economic cost of future development. In most every other aspect, PPC was and still is superior to Intel architecture. Power vs energy benefits alone bear this out.

If its good for NASA and the US governments intelligence gathering, communication and weather sattellites, as well as all Mars rovers, it's good enough for you and me.

It's quite clear that I've spent far more time "thinking about" this issue than you ever have. And I don't have to resort to name calling as a response for possessing a weak argument. There's no need to justify that which is simply a FACT.
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#1489459 --- 09/10/16 05:38 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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No, fact is that Apple is attempting to sell outdated tech and pass it off as new to the consumer and some are stupid enough to believe the hype.

Oh and back to the original idea of the post I refuse to buy from a 700 Billion dollar company that is big into slave labor. Foxconn who actually makes the hardware is well known to have suicide nets out the windows from all the previous successful jumps.

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#1489481 --- 09/10/16 05:47 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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With all due respect, D...

Your posts would be far more credible if your tech insight wasn't so often based on 5+ year old news, and if you would just find a position and stick to it.

Issues involving the suicides, date back to January of 1012. Not exactly recent history and much improvement has been made as a combined result of bad publicity and intense pressure FROM Apple. When news of these loathsome conditions were reported, Apple led the charge for immediate action by Foxconn.

While far from perfect, Apple's relationship with its fabrication partners has undergone substantial improvements in labor conditions over the past several years. In fact, they often garner some of the the best ratings of any competitor in terms of overseas labor practices, environmental responsibility and in low-impact materials extraction processes. Apple isn't the only company to use Foxconn for it's fabrication needs. Just think of THAT the next time you use a device using Intel chips or motherboards, or any computer or device from Asus, Acer, Amazon BlackBerry, Cisco, Dell, Google, HP, Microsoft, Motorola, Nintendo, Nokia, Sharp, Sony, Toshiba, Visio or Xiaomior.

Foxconn also has factories in Brazil, throughout Europe, India, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, South Korea and soon in The United States. So, your selective grievances are disingenuous to say the least.

Currently, no other hardware company comes even remotely close to having improved labor standards overseas. There is of course, ALWAYS room for improvement. Nevertheless, Apple has gone to far greater lengths to improve these conditions than any of it's contemporaries ever have.

I challenge you to research labor conditions at other tech fab facilities. Which is not to excuse such horrible past abuses of workers, rather, it should serve to illustrate the fact that the company which you single out, has likely done more in recent years to improve work standards overseas, than any other company in the industry.
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#1489483 --- 09/10/16 06:05 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
No, fact is that Apple is attempting to sell outdated tech and pass it off as new to the consumer and some are stupid enough to believe the hype.

Someone who owned an iPhone really hurt you once, didn't they? crazy

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/iphone-7-vs-samsung-galaxy-s7-1
http://www.pcmag.com/news/347660/iphone-7-vs-samsung-galaxy-s7-ios-and-android-face-off
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/iphone-7-vs-galaxy-s7-8793185
http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/smartphon...s-best-for-you/
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#1489488 --- 09/11/16 05:08 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

With all due respect, D...

Your posts would be far more credible if your tech insight wasn't so often based on 5+ year old news, and if you would just find a position and stick to it.

Issues involving the suicides, date back to January of 1012. Not exactly recent history and much improvement has been made as a combined result of bad publicity and intense pressure FROM Apple. When news of these loathsome conditions were reported, Apple led the charge for immediate action by Foxconn.


If you fact check further than the first article on google you will discover that I am right as rain. Foxconn is an awful company that exploits its workers for pure profit, and only within the last year or 2 has apple actually publicly said something about the "problem" after repeated attempts by the UN to stop it.

As for your earlier statement about the PowerPC and my statement about PowerPC being garbage, there are videos as well as written articles with Steve Jobs that stated Apple's primary motivation for the transition was their disappointment with the progress of IBM's development of PowerPC technology.

On a side note at least its not the Samsung Explode-o-Phone aka the Samsung Galaxy Note7.

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#1489492 --- 09/11/16 09:15 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
If you fact check further than the first article on google you will discover that I am right as rain. Foxconn is an awful company that exploits its workers for pure profit, and only within the last year or 2 has apple actually publicly said something about the "problem" after repeated attempts by the UN to stop it.

As for your earlier statement about the PowerPC and my statement about PowerPC being garbage, there are videos as well as written articles with Steve Jobs that stated Apple's primary motivation for the transition was their disappointment with the progress of IBM's development of PowerPC technology.

On a side note at least its not the Samsung Explode-o-Phone aka the Samsung Galaxy Note7.

Precisely as I stated above... an "approaching end of architecture scalability and economic cost of future development."

As for Apple publicly acknowledging severe problems at Foxconn, you're simply wrong on your "facts" (again). As I stated previously, It began at LEAST five years ago, when Apple announced it had hired the non-profit Fair Labor Association to audit working conditions at Foxconn, NOT two.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2012/09/12/apples-new-foxconn-embarrassment/#137421118ae6
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/12/2...itions-in-china
https://thinkprogress.org/following-prog...aa65#.vl94p8xl1

I don't know where you get your flawed information from, perhaps you should try using Google, instead. whistle grin

No one's denying Foxconn's detestable labor practices.
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#1489499 --- 09/11/16 10:41 AM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

No one's denying Foxconn's detestable labor practices.


....annnnnnddddd........ You just like to have the last word.

Least we forget Apple flat out refusing to decipher a terrorists phone fully due to privacy, then a few months later hand over the info to shut down and arrest a torrent site owner.

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#1489504 --- 09/11/16 12:03 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
Originally Posted By: Timbo

No one's denying Foxconn's detestable labor practices.

....annnnnnddddd........ You just like to have the last word.

Least we forget Apple flat out refusing to decipher a terrorists phone fully due to privacy, then a few months later hand over the info to shut down and arrest a torrent site owner.

And yet, here you are. wink

It would appear that I'm not half the Apple fanboy as you are a Mac bigot. I was under the impression that your issue was with allegedly inferior iPhone specs.

Vaulin was overseeing reproduction and distribution of more than a Billion Dollars worth of illegally copied movies, video games, TV shows, and music albums, by using Apple's proprietary services for which Apple was legally responsible for enforcing it's copyright contracts with it's content providers as well as by Federal law.

How it happened and why Apple released the information:
Vaulin was operating his fan page on Facebook. All his crucial details, including IP address and other information, were with Facebook. On US’ request, Facebook provided the details, and the logging address was hosted on an email server owned by Apple.

The email address Vaulin used to purchase iTunes was the same he was using to get alerts relating to administrative tasks on Kickass Torrents. There was unquestionable evidence to establish that Vaulin was committing blatantly illegal acts expressly forbidden under Apple's end-user license agreement.

NONE of which can can be conversely claimed.
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#1489508 --- 09/11/16 01:30 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: Timbo]
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Ah Ha jokes on you I own a Titanium MacBook....

But seriously I am well aware of how he got caught.

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#1489510 --- 09/11/16 02:06 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Ah Ha jokes on you I own a Titanium MacBook....

Jokes actually on YOU!!! Apple NEVER made a Titanium MacBook. EVER.

You need to give it up, D. You obviously have a severely limited grasp of Apple, it's products, their performance, the company's history and it's policies.

At least you've finally stopped insisting (incorrectly) that Mac OS X viruses exist anywhere in the wild.
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#1489511 --- 09/11/16 02:11 PM Re: Apple Reaches 700 BILLION $ [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
But seriously I am well aware of how he got caught.

Then you should ALSO be well aware of the fact that those two situations are entirely different when context is taken into account (as it always should be).

And just so we're completely clear on the matter... Advanced RISC Machines (ARM) chips used on most modern mobile devises are RISC-based processors, and are clearly the de facto standard in mobile processors due to a virtually identical instruction set as that of PowerPC processors.

So... whaddaya think of THEM Apples??? grin
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