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#1452377 --- 07/01/14 01:23 PM World's Greatest Nation
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#1452378 --- 07/01/14 01:28 PM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: VM Smith]
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#1452379 --- 07/01/14 01:44 PM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: Ghosts]
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I saw that it was a bad link immediately, and was in the process of deleting it. Your reply makes that impossible. Great software, no?


The Evil Myth of American Exceptionalism

By Paul Gottfried

July 1, 2014

On the basis of a Fox-news poll last week, I belong somewhere on the far left (at least by current neoconservative standards). In what Fox describes as a “stunner” and blames entirely on you-know-whom in the White House, only 44% of Americans polled said that “they are proud to be Americans.” Even more shockingly, only 28% of the respondents stated they consider “the US to be the greatest nation on earth,” and no more than three in ten are willing to recognize “American exceptionalism.” In recent conversations with GOP loyalists, I learned that these shockingly low figures reflect the attitude of a president who dared to say in an interview in Strasbourg in 2009: “I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believed in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believed in Greek exceptionalism.” What’s this country coming to if we all can’t agree on certain first things and above all that the US, with its vast government bureaucracy, centralized media and sprawling cultural industry, is the greatest thing in the solar system?

On Wednesday night I watched the All-stars on the Fox- evening news affirm with the solemnity of true believers that America is the greatest nation that has ever existed anywhere at any time. We are exceptional in a way that no collection of bipeds has ever before been. This is not only a new litmus test of “conservatism” but a belief that someone may have thought up in order to unify Fox-news groupies after the awful non-event in Mississippi on Tuesday night. Whoops, perhaps I shouldn’t have alluded to what was done to Chris McDaniel by Senator Thad Cochran and the Republican establishment in the Mississippi Republican primary! I mean the contest in which the party regulars got black Democrats to cross party lines to vote for Cochran, who promised more food stamps and close cooperation with President Obama. The GOP establishment ran ads aimed at blacks accusing Cochran’s small-government opponent of being a racist. This non-event, which hardly registered with the Murdoch press, is now being investigated for voter fraud, because it seems that some of the black Democrats who voted for Cochran against the “racist” McDaniel had voted in the earlier Democratic primary. Even with the open primary system that exists in Mississippi, one is not allowed to vote a second time.

But I’m glad that “conservatives” could put this behind them in order to focus on the declining belief in American exceptionalism. A Republican friend asked me why I couldn’t agree with the Fox-news’ credo, given that Kaiser Wilhelm uttered something similar about Germany at the height of World War One. Although I think the last German emperor has received an excessively bad press (and Churchill an extravagantly good one), I’ve never regarded Wilhelm as a tactful statesman. There is also a difference between the hyperbole that a war leader, surrounded by enemies, may engage in and a vainglorious assertion that is turned into the benchmark of American patriotism. How is it that I’ve never heard war veterans say anything even remotely as silly as what I’ve now been urged to profess? My late father-in-law was a paratrooper during D-Day and I doubt he ever said anything like what came from the mouths of the Fox-news Allstars on Wednesday evening. Yes I’m sure Senator McCain has said such things while trying to get us to bomb some Middle Eastern country. But then I don’t know McCain personally and I have no desire to meet him.

Allow me to explain why I couldn’t pass the Fox-news litmus test, even if I tried. As a child in the 1950s the only people I recall blowing air about American exceptionalism were insecure immigrants who wanted to be accepted as Americans. When I and my friends heard these individuals speak in broken English about this country being the greatest ever, we thought they were just trying to fit in. Never would I have expected to hear the families of the older settlers going on about America as the best nation ever. Later I heard prominent figures of the right praise certain aspects of the original American political design. But I couldn’t possibly conceive of any of them, whether George Kennan, Russell Kirk, Murray Rothbard, Robert Nisbet or Robert Taft, making the same noises as the ones I heard on Fox-news. Indeed these thoughtful figures were deeply troubled by the direction in which they saw the US moving, and they warned repeatedly about the loss of our freedoms and our once sound constitutional government.

But there is one group that is delighted with all the fatuous boasting in question. It is the neoconservative custodians of the GOP and the Republican media, who are both insecure in their identities and hell-bent on pushing us into new crusades for our supposedly exceptional values. Please check the relevant Wikipedia entry, which properly labels the doctrine in question as a neoconservative invention. GOP propaganda-junkies have absorbed quintessentially neoconservative bombast about why we are better than the rest of the human race. Needless to say, that special grace is supposed to bring with it the duty to make others like us, that is, to make them the way
we are right now, as enlightened progressives. After all Americans have undergone progressive changes that the neoconservatives delight in and we’re now being asked to engage in new military conversionary missions on behalf of what neocons believe makes us exceptionally exceptional. Let’s also not forget too that we’re a propositional nation that is driven by the foundational belief in universal human equality. That presumably makes us different from and better than traditional nations like the benighted Poles or unredeemed Estonians. We’re also (not least of all) the best nation ever because the neocons form a major element in our ruling class. If I were a neocon exercising their power, I’d be tempted to sing their tune.

Oh yes, lest I forget, I applaud President Obama for making an accurate historical statement about how empires at the zenith of their power view themselves. His observation on this topic is more reflective and more genuinely conservative than what I’ve heard on Fox. But I must express alarm that as much as 28% of respondents accept the identifiably neocon drivel about America in its present form being the best thing ever. I hope this figure isn’t as high as it seems and that some of the respondents were just trying to please the pollsters. I’m trying to repress the thought that millions of Americans actually believe what they say they do.





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#1452380 --- 07/01/14 01:53 PM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: VM Smith]
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
I saw that it was a bad link immediately, and was in the process of deleting it. Your reply makes that impossible. Great software, no?


Ah, sorry.
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#1452381 --- 07/01/14 02:13 PM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: Ghosts]
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Not your fault; it's this super slow connection, on the deck next to the house. If I move 50' back, I get "excellent", with no buffering with vids, but I like the deck for convenience. I bought some electrical conduit for a mast, today...am now awaiting the longer antenna wire I ordered, which has shipped, so I can raise the antenna some more. I'll order a higher gain antenna today, too. I'll get this free internet thing dialed in soon. Check my repost above yours.
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#1452408 --- 07/01/14 04:41 PM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: VM Smith]
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
I'll get this free internet thing dialed in soon.

Oh, you mean Tennessee's taxpayer subsidized internet? whistle
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#1452413 --- 07/01/14 05:06 PM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: Timbo]
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Of course not, fool. I'm in Greeneville, not Chattanooga. If you spent less time and energy trying to be a dork, and more effort in trying to make at least some sense of what the idiot box tells you, you'd be less of an obnoxious nitwit.
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#1452414 --- 07/01/14 05:12 PM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: VM Smith]
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Hey, it was an educated guess, based upon a well-known practice... bonehead.

Care to elaborate on how you get "free internet" (shy of piggybacking on someone else's unsecured router)?
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#1452418 --- 07/01/14 05:39 PM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: VM Smith]
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Of course not, fool. I'm in Greeneville, not Chattanooga. If you spent less time and energy trying to be a dork, and more effort in trying to make at least some sense of what the idiot box tells you, you'd be less of an obnoxious nitwit.

Do you suppose you can stop editing your post with additional insults and deletions, long enough to explain how you get "free internet"? And by the way... it's just as subsidized in Greenville, as it is in Chattanooga, Einstein. You might get a clue, if you, for instance, researched the Exceed & WildBlue Recovery Act programs (to name just a couple).

Perhaps, if you'd humble yourself enough to realize that you don't know nearly as much as you think you do, the delicate sensibilities of your fragile ego, wouldn't make you feel so threatened, as to lash out like an antisocial teenager.

FYI: I don't watch much TV (nor do I pour through endless crank conspiracy blogs, for that matter). whistle
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#1452421 --- 07/01/14 06:54 PM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: VM Smith]
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Here's great song to research. "You've got too much time on your hands"

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#1452497 --- 07/02/14 10:39 AM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: VM Smith]
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Sorry VM that was for the monkey in the window

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#1452498 --- 07/02/14 10:52 AM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: timforchange]
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Originally Posted By: timforchange
Sorry VM that was for the monkey in the window

And yet, over the past ten days, I managed to tend to two vegetable and twelve flower gardens, Host an entire family reunion, manage my ebay store, attend a second family party and climb a 1000', grade 5.10 vertical rock face in the Adirondack High Peaks. Pray tell, how did you spend that same time? smirk

Oh, and in the time that it took me to respond to your idiocy, I also purchased postage and printed several labels to ship electronic components to several winning bidders on ebay. Must suck to be you. whistle
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#1452499 --- 07/02/14 11:04 AM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: VM Smith]
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What sucks is your high horse assitude

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#1452502 --- 07/02/14 11:26 AM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: timforchange]
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Originally Posted By: timforchange
What sucks is your high horse assitude

That's what you get for casting derisions upon those of whom you know nothing about. Especially when they do more in one day, than you probably do in a whole week. I have every right to my attitude, my horse obviously DOES ride higher than yours.

You still haven't told us how you kept busy over the past ten days. whistle
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#1452504 --- 07/02/14 11:50 AM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: VM Smith]
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Noneyo Neinstein. But if you must know I watered my lawn, took a walk, ate food and drank, and also went shopping. Wait that's what you did also. My experiences the last ten day weren't delusions of grandeur though.

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#1452521 --- 07/02/14 01:41 PM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: timforchange]
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Originally Posted By: timforchange
... if you must know I watered my lawn, took a walk, ate food and drank, and also went shopping.

Not to worry... Not all of us can be cowboys, we need rodeo clowns, too. grin
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#1452530 --- 07/02/14 03:51 PM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: timforchange]
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The delusions are not just from the last ten days, every day in Timboland is a delusion.
Originally Posted By: timforchange
Noneyo Neinstein. But if you must know I watered my lawn, took a walk, ate food and drank, and also went shopping. Wait that's what you did also. My experiences the last ten day weren't delusions of grandeur though.

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#1452547 --- 07/02/14 05:33 PM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: timforchange]
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It's okay...I figured you were talking to TPO (The Perfect One).
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#1452559 --- 07/02/14 09:19 PM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: tubby]
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Originally Posted By: tubby
The delusions are not just from the last ten days, every day in Timboland is a delusion.

The fact that I'm willing to challenge myself by taking the "sharp end" just for the fun of it, while you posers and chicken hawks spout puffery from the comfort of your armchairs, is no delusion. cool
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#1452560 --- 07/02/14 09:22 PM Re: World's Greatest Nation [Re: VM Smith]
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
It's okay...I figured you were talking to TPO (The Perfect One).

Not perfect, just not a hypocrite. smirk
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