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#1496965 --- 03/23/17 06:09 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
I went back into the archives on the topic, it's pathetic that Conservatives seemingly get pleasure in taunting Liberals in regard to Obama and Hillary but get very defensive and thin skinned when the roles are reversed. grin
Speaking of thin-skinned I am sure we have never had a president as thin-skinned as our current president. I believe Nixon was also quite thin-skinned. I think our current president is likely to end up in a similar fate to Nixon. grin
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#1496997 --- 03/24/17 03:00 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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7 years of lies, bloviating and tough talk, this entire debacle comes down to a NO vote, how embarrassing!!!!!!!
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#1497212 --- 03/31/17 12:48 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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Death Spiral Disaster: Last Major Insurer Reportedly Plans to Abandon Most Obamacare Markets Next Year
Guy Benson

One of the consistent and factually-correct refrains from Republican critics of Obamacare -- the president especially -- is that the current law is failing and getting worse. Democrats inadvertently confirm this reality when they accuse Republicans of "sabotaging" the law by allowing it to be followed as-written. Unstable risk pools disrupted by adverse selection are driving costs up, healthier consumers away, and carriers out of the market. The result is a toxic trend of costlier coverage with fewer options, purchased disproportionately by sicker consumers -- which only deepens the unhealthy fiscal trajectory. In short, the clear markings of a "death spiral" in progress, which is why one top healthcare CEO used that term to describe the status quo, setting up a controversy we covered earlier in the week in which a left-leaning "fact checker" is doing its best to paper over this ugly reality through semantics games and general sloppiness. Following the demise of the American Health Care Act, which some providers supported as a means of stopping Obamacare's bleeding, the laws of economics are wreaking further havoc on the law. This is an absolutely devastating development for the solvency of Obamacare:

Anthem Inc is likely to exit from a large portion of its Obamacare individual insurance markets next year, Jefferies analysts said, nearly a week after Republican leaders pulled legislation to overhaul the U.S. healthcare system. Anthem is one of the few health insurers that still sells plans under Obamacare. Humana Inc, Aetna Inc, and UnitedHealth Group Inc pulled out after reporting hundreds of millions of dollars of losses. Anthem is leaning toward exiting a "high percentage" of the 144 rating regions in which it currently participates, Jefferies analysts said in a note on Thursday after talking to the health insurer. Obamacare, former Democratic President Barack Obama's signature legislation created by the Affordable Care Act of 2010, has had a tough beginning. The mix of sick and healthy customers has been worse than expected, and premium rates on the individual insurance market went up 25 percent this year. The Republicans' failure to repeal Obamacare, at least for now, means it remains federal law.
Thanks to Obamacare's slow-motion implosion, just one single provider remains as a "choice" for consumers who live in roughly one-third of all US counties. In many of those places, Anthem has been that last holdout insurer, which is now reportedly about to end in 2018. Millions of Americans could be left with zero marketplace options, as the planned withdrawal of the last remaining US healthcare giant from most areas marks the latest sign that Obamacare is an unworkable actuarial nightmare. In a new Fox News national poll, Americans split approximately evenly in their approval and disapproval of Obamacare -- a decent public opinion outcome for the law. But that result comes on the heels of a bombardment of negative headlines about the GOP replacement plan, including from many conservative sources. And it comes months removed from news of Obamacare's enrollment shortfalls, receding coverage offerings and soaring price tags. But all of those statistics are going to look really bad again this coming fall, when Americans will be reminded of those realities. Even with the "good" news stretch for Obamacare, a plurality of respondents in the poll still believe that if it's left alone, the law will collapse. The Anthem development confirms why that's an evidence-based conclusion to reach. And then there's this nugget:

This should embolden Republicans and encourage them not to abandon their biggest campaign promise in recent memory. They must fashion a better bill that deals with critical policy challenges in a more productive way, perhaps taking advantage of reconciliation-related opportunities they didn't recognize were available to them until very late in the previous process. Millions of people continue to be actively harmed by an unpopular law that is still deteriorating. Unify and do your job, GOP.
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#1497213 --- 03/31/17 12:56 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: cwjga]
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ROTFLMAO, take a few minutes to recall GOP healthcare debacle and party shaming from last week, what was the popularity percentage of the fail healthcare package? 17%, now do a little homework for a change because you Conservatives are known for your fabrications and fake data and tell us what percentage of individuals who now wish to keep the ACA plan? whistle
Bet you'll be informed and surprised.
It should be noted that Americans are growing wearied of the GOP lies and spins evident by Trump's new found low of 35 % popularity rating
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#1497214 --- 03/31/17 12:59 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: cwjga]
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#1497278 --- 04/02/17 08:09 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: cwjga]
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Quote:
Anthem Inc is likely to exit from a large portion of its Obamacare individual insurance markets next year, Jefferies analysts said


Originally Posted By: Formermac
I'm stir crazy today


you may want to get that checked before your health insurance company drops out of obamacare... whistle
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#1497282 --- 04/02/17 08:27 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: bluezone]
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Man, you're really going through some form of withdrawal and I would honestly say that a decent healthcare package should cover mental health. What insurance do you possess? More than likely Medicaid ?
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#1497509 --- 04/07/17 07:59 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Forermac
I'm getting a royal laugh out of the fact that I receive a nice pension and comfortable lifestyle


Originally Posted By: Formermac
What insurance do you possess?


a business 'owner' with a comfortable lifestyle still relying on obamacare to pay for is healthcare needs... whistle
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#1497511 --- 04/07/17 08:08 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: bluezone]
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How do you know when you've gotten under a thin skinned buffoon, they get up early to respond with more buffoonery.Must have worried about my intelligent response AAAAALLLLLL NIIIGGGGGHHHHHTTTTT LLLLLOOOOONNNNGGGG.
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#1497518 --- 04/07/17 08:43 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
they get up early to respond


9 am early for you?
better go back to bed sleep

Originally Posted By: Formermac
Must have worried about my intelligent response


it appears you posted it 5 days ago
no worries here...
grin
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#1497519 --- 04/07/17 09:00 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: bluezone]
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ROTFLMAO, thank you for confirming my accusation toward you, 5 days ago , I suggested that you adjust your medication but seemingly 5 days or a medication adjustment prevented you from saying something childish and off topic. wink
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#1497520 --- 04/07/17 09:01 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
How do you know when you've gotten under a thin skinned buffoon, they get up early to respond with more buffoonery.Must have worried about my intelligent response AAAAALLLLLL NIIIGGGGGHHHHHTTTTT LLLLLOOOOONNNNGGGG.
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#1497523 --- 04/07/17 09:11 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
seemingly 5 days ... prevented you from saying something


were you lonely for those 5 days?
YAWN...
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#1497524 --- 04/07/17 09:14 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Death Spiral Disaster: Last Major Insurer Reportedly Plans to Abandon Most Obamacare Markets Next Year


if you like your healthcare...
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#1497525 --- 04/07/17 09:22 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: bluezone]
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In reality, I'm quite refreshed, had my cast taken off this past Tuesday, went to a Doctor's assessment appointment yesterday and it's appears that I'll get my licence reinstated next Friday the 14th. What does all this mean? I can drive myself down to the shop, breakfast downtown, go out to dinner with my wife and family unassisted, go to the movies, play outside with my Grand kids, go to the bank, school board meetings, all without taking time to load a walker into the car....yes I feel quite liberated. Now for you, what will you do with all the free time you have and seeing that you have no physical handicap to hold you down, it must be quite sad to ponder the fact that life has 7 days, 24 hrs or simply put, 168 hours to occupy your free time. Very daunting and dark to say the least.
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#1497526 --- 04/07/17 09:29 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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Now have I explain the reason(s) that you're relegated to play make pretend electrician, city council member and visit every single town and county in a 100 mile radius? You're bored out of your mind but worse, what can you do to remedy this current situation?
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#1497551 --- 04/07/17 05:40 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Forermac
I'm getting a royal laugh out of the fact that I receive a nice pension and comfortable lifestyle
Originally Posted By: Formermac
What insurance do you possess?

a business 'owner' with a comfortable lifestyle still relying on obamacare to pay for is healthcare needs... whistle

STILL don't have a clue how "Obamacare" works, do you? shocked

No surprise there.
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#1497552 --- 04/07/17 05:51 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Timbo]
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Be nice Timbo, like seeing a rerun for the 98th time, we know the outcome but it's always fun to watch the ending which is never pretty.


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#1497563 --- 04/08/17 09:23 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
had my cast taken off this past Tuesday, went to a Doctor's assessment appointment yesterday


how did that obamacare work for you?
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#1497564 --- 04/08/17 09:26 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
I'll get my licence


what is a 'licence'?

you got lice?

grin
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