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#1492269 --- 11/07/16 10:18 PM Re:Affordable Healthcare Act [Re: gassy one]
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I see that simplistic geography is another hurdle for you.
Once again another exposure to you inability to stay on topic. wink
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#1492282 --- 11/07/16 11:42 PM Re:Affordable Healthcare Act [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
I see that simplistic geography is another hurdle for you.
Once again another exposure to you inability to stay on topic. wink


The person who supplied me with your information said you would lie about it! Guess they were right! LOL!

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#1492284 --- 11/08/16 05:21 AM Re:Affordable Healthcare Act [Re: gassy one]
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They should have told you where Cranberry Township was located along with advising you to get back on topic. confused
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#1492296 --- 11/08/16 07:47 AM Re:UNAffordable Healthcare Act [Re: Lucinda Knotts]
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Originally Posted By: Lucinda Knotts
What is your plan to replace the coverage lost by those 20,000,000 and prevent denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions, or cancellation of health insurance?


obama has increased the deficit by 10 TRILLION dollars

news reports state there was a 58% increase in social services during obamas term

did the population increase by 58%
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#1492297 --- 11/08/16 08:35 AM Re:UNAffordable Healthcare Act [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Lucinda Knotts
What is your plan to replace the coverage lost by those 20,000,000 and prevent denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions, or cancellation of health insurance?

obama has increased the deficit by 10 TRILLION dollars

news reports state there was a 58% increase in social services during obamas term

did the population increase by 58%

That's your plan? More whining about Obama and asking rhetorical questions about population growth? No wonder the GOP jugheads haven't been able to repeal the ACA come up with a workable alternative.

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#1492300 --- 11/08/16 08:56 AM Re:UNAffordable Healthcare Act [Re: bluezone]
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#1492302 --- 11/08/16 09:34 AM Re:UNAffordable Healthcare Act [Re: cwjga]
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One of your sadder jokes son, tell us about those that had to file bankruptcy due to not having any coverage whatsoever. Based on my own personal experiences, health insurance has spared me close to a million dollars out of pocket but once again, we get to hear the dysfunctional like yourself stating that the ACA is far worse than having no insurance at all, which is a clear case of one not exercizing the mental health portion of their health exchange.
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#1493831 --- 01/04/17 01:46 PM Re:Affordable Healthcare Act [Re: Formermac]
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Cuomo: Thousands would lose coverage in FLX if ‘Obamacare’ is repealed
Published: 01/04/2017 @ 01:37 pm


The Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare was subject to a lot of debate during the most-recent presidential campaign. President-elect Donald Trump made repealing the Obamacare a hallmark of his campaign.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s office released the data showing how repealing Obamacare would impact New York residents. The overall impact on the state budget would be $3.7 billion with individual counties across the state losing $595 million in direct spending.

Individual residents would lose $250 million in health care savings tax credits, as well.

“The cost of a repeal of the Affordable Care Act, to state and local budgets and to the New Yorkers who depend on its health care coverage, is simply too high to justify,” Governor Cuomo said.

“Since its implementation, the Affordable Care Act has become a powerful tool to lower the cost of health insurance for local governments and New Yorkers, and it is essential that the federal government does not jeopardize the health and livelihoods of millions of working families.”

The Governor says the New York State of Health exchange has successfully cut the percentage of uninsured residents from 10 percent down to 5 percent.

It has also significantly expanded eligibility and access to health coverage, allowing hundreds of thousands of previously uninsured New Yorkers to achieve economic and healthcare security.

Cuomo’s office says the repeal of the Affordable Care Act would result in over 2.7 million New Yorkers losing health coverage. The estimated number of individuals at risk of losing coverage, based on current enrollment levels, is broken down by counties below:

Cayuga: 7,665
Chemung: 9,160
Cortland: 4,606
Monroe: 75,512
Onondaga: 45,682
Ontario: 9,355
Schuyler: 2,065
Seneca: 3,145
Steuben: 10,039
Tompkins: 7,827
Wayne: 9,354
Yates: 2,515
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#1493832 --- 01/04/17 02:17 PM Re:Affordable Healthcare Act [Re: kyle585]
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Great article, I have a few question. When will the insurance companies get involved in this fiasco should they stand to lose millions of customers and what actions would they take? It stands to reason that the only recourse the Republicans can take is to best have a replacement before foolishly terminating the current ACA and will the replacement benefit the insurance company which is the only reason premiums went up in the first place.
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#1493837 --- 01/04/17 05:33 PM Re:Affordable Healthcare Act [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Great article, I have a few question. When will the insurance companies get involved in this fiasco should they stand to lose millions of customers and what actions would they take? It stands to reason that the only recourse the Republicans can take is to best have a replacement before foolishly terminating the current ACA and will the replacement benefit the insurance company which is the only reason premiums went up in the first place.


Here's a excerpt from J.B. Silvers, professor of health finance at Case Western Reserve University article. Not a pretty picture...


"When the risks are too high, just exit.

It is easy to leave a market when things look bad. The health plan I oversaw, although top-rated by JD Powers, was losing huge amounts when I took over. Part of the turnaround we put into place was to withdraw from a number of counties where most of the losses were occurring. The same will be the case in the ACA exchanges.

It is easy to predict that this induced uncertainty from Congress will effectively kill the exchanges even if it delays the implementation of repeal. As a result, all of the individuals who have benefited from coverage and subsidies will lose out. They will either not be able to gain insurance because of a pre-existing condition, or they won't be able to afford the higher premiums.

When they leave the market, it is also easy to guess that the political and economic price will be substantial in terms of patient access, provider uncompensated care costs and employment in the health sector — a major job creator. It is hard to predict these costs, but they could be into the billions of dollars. And, the health of millions could be jeopardized.

Is there any way out of this dilemma for those who don’t like Obamacare? Clearly the first principle, since all of the solutions suggested rely on private insurers, is to reduce the level of risk for them — the opposite of what we are doing now. Even House Speaker Paul Ryan’s proposals rely on private firms which will be loath to trust the game they are asked to play because of the dramatic changes to the rules.

If we want them to continue to do the good things required by the ACA, we can’t make it so uncertain. What this means is that the mechanisms designed to reduce risk and a stable set of operating arrangements must be reaffirmed as core principles of all reform and replace efforts. This shouldn’t be hard for market-oriented Republicans, if they can leave behind their political baggage. Blind talk of repeal with no clear way to build confidence among the private insurers, which will be needed in the replace phase, leads to market failure.

Like the dog that finally caught the car it had been chasing and doesn’t know what to do, what comes next for the administration and Congress isn't clear. But we shouldn’t fool ourselves to think it will be easy or painless. Otherwise, it may be that the great experiment trying to establish a viable market for individual insurance — ironically long a conservative objective — will end in the chaos of what came before."

Opinion: I’m a former health insurance CEO and this is what Obamacare repeal will do

Market Watch
Jan 4, 2017

Article here. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/im-a-fo...l-do-2017-01-02
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#1493995 --- 01/09/17 03:19 PM Re:Affordable Healthcare Act [Re: kyle585]
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#1494847 --- 01/29/17 07:51 AM Re:Affordable Healthcare Act [Re: cwjga]
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#1494851 --- 01/29/17 09:12 AM Re:Affordable Healthcare Act [Re: Formermac]
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Revealing article Mac.

From it's attached link...


“We’d better be sure that we’re prepared to live with the market we’ve created” with repeal, said Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.). “That’s going to be called Trumpcare. Republicans will own that lock, stock and barrel, and we’ll be judged in the election less than two years away.”

Read on: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...m=.bc8fec41b248
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#1495246 --- 02/11/17 12:01 PM Re:UNAffordable Healthcare Act [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
It stands to reason that the only recourse the Republicans can take is to best have a replacement before foolishly terminating the current ACA




obama forced people off the health insurance that they liked

if you like your insurance you can keep
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#1495247 --- 02/11/17 12:07 PM Re:UNAffordable Healthcare Act [Re: Lucinda Knotts]
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Originally Posted By: Lucinda Knotts
That's your plan?


bill clinton said obamacare was crazy
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#1495768 --- 02/25/17 07:31 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Hard Corps
Obamacare is the top of the failure list.


Attempting to resuscitate dead talking points?

Don't embarrass yourself. Fox News already bailed on that narrative. Try catching up.



Everything’s coming up aces for the ACA

The Rachel Maddow Show / The MaddowBlog
By Steve Benen

6/13/14


The news surrounding the Affordable Care Act has been so good this week, it’s almost hard to know where to start.

We could start with the fact that private insurers who skipped the exchanges now want in...

One of the many, many, many predictions of Obamacare failure made by conservatives is that insurance companies would systematically drop out of the exchanges. They made this prediction many, many, many, many, many times. The data is starting to come in and, guess what, insurance companies are joining the exchanges. Dan Diamond reports that, in every state that has reported information so far, the number of insurance companies competing in the exchanges will expand in year two. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/06/todays-obamacare-non-train-wreck-news.html

… or we could go with the fact, as expected, consumers are paying their premiums...

I’m quite confident that at least 90% of the original 8.02 million exchange QHP enrollees have paid their first premiums (and I’m guessing up to 80% of the 300K+ who’ve enrolled since then). http://acasignups.net/14/06/12/will-gop-...ave-paid-survey

… or we could talk about “Obamacare” cutting the rate of uninsured in New Jersey by 38%, Minnesota by 40%, and Kentucky by 50%.*

By why stop there?

Medicare growth rates are also encouraging...

The latest data, as broken down by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, shows underlying Medicare growth, even after adjusting for temporary policies, is growing at just 2.5 percent. That’s more than a full percentage point below economic and beneficiary growth. Medicare, in other words, is growing slower as a percent of the economy and on a per-person basis. http://www.vox.com/2014/6/11/5800818/2-promising-signs-for-americas-growing-health-care-costs

A percentage point might not seem like a huge deal. But if the trend holds, it could translate to billions of dollars in savings for the federal government.

… as are the latest polls.

When faced with the niggling problem that polls show a majority of Americans oppose repealing Obamacare, some of the law’s foes like to claim those polls are problematic because they offer a choice between “fixing” and “repealing” the law. This, they say, biases responses in favor of “fix,” because people like fixing things, and at any rate, Obamacare can’t be fixed by definition. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum...-over-obamacare/

So this new Bloomberg News poll will pose an additional problem to those who simply refuse to accept the reality that, while disapproval of the law remains high, the American people still want to stick with it.

In all, a little less than a third of the country supports repealing the Affordable Care Act – the position Republicans have spent years touting as smart policy and politics.

Looking at all of the good ACA news last week, Simon Maloy said, “We’re only six days into June, and opponents of the ACA have already had a terrible month.”

For the health care opponents on the right, June looks even worse this week.

In some corners, there are still dead-enders convinced that the entire American health care system is on the brink of an Obama-imposed collapse. Of course, in those corners, ACORN is rigging elections, the deficit is getting larger, and the war in Iraq was a good idea.






http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/politics/pew-survey-obamacare-support-record-high/index.html
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#1495785 --- 02/25/17 04:05 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
http://www.cnn.com


cnn sure loved hillary
think they predicted she would win

whistle

why has obamacare monthly premiums gone up in some cases over 100%?

bill clinton did not even like obamacare
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#1495792 --- 02/25/17 04:40 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: bluezone]
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Bluezone or Thomas? why would I answer your question when you can't reciprocate? whistle
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#1495794 --- 02/25/17 04:44 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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Where I know that you're not in the proper frame of mind, the article speaks of the ACA becoming more popular since the threat of having nothing at all is a possibility.
BTW, be careful in your folly, one doesn't disappear for months unless they were sick or banned for a period of time.
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#1495796 --- 02/25/17 04:55 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Bluezone or Thomas? why would I answer your question when you can't reciprocate? whistle


Are you actually expecting an exchange of half-coherent dialogue from this/these player(s)? wink
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