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#1506993 --- 10/23/17 06:38 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: gassy one]
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North Carolina Paper: Obamacare Premiums Are Rising, So Let's Consider Single-Payer
Matt Vespa

The North Carolina-based News and Observer’s editorial board is calling it quits on Obamacare, but they don’t want repeal. They want to straight up move to something much, much worse: single-payer. Why? Well, those darn premiums are just so high:

Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina, a major ACA provider and the only company covering all 100 counties of North Carolina, has won an average rate increase of roughly 14 percent for those insured under the ACA. Thanks to advance planning, the boost wasn’t as great as it might have been, but the uncertainty in the overall insurance market has resulted in huge jumps for other customers, with some on grandfathered plans purchased before 2010 (less comprehensive and less expensive than ACA plans) anticipating rates double or triple what they were paying.
BCBS isn’t gouging, but rather reflecting the uncertainty in the health insurance market and in the American health-care system, which on many levels seems hostage to the profit motive. What Congress should be doing, instead of trying to patch together something that will have bipartisan approval, is moving toward a single-payer system modeled on Medicare. That is the only financially viable future for the vast majority of Americans, many of whom are seeing huge percentages of their income go to basic health insurance.
Oh, and that’s like most of the op-ed right there. In 2016, the paper interviewed the soon-to-be-retired Brad Wilson, CEO of Blue Cross Blue Shield North Carolina, who said that the Obamacare model is unsustainable:


In year one [2014], five percent of our ACA customers consumed $830 million in health care costs. That’s how much money went out of our door to pay for the heath care for the sickest five percent of the ACA population that we had; we collected $75 million in premiums–between what they could contribute and the government subsidy. Any way you cut it that’s an unsustainable business model.”
So, the logical choice is to go to another unsustainable health care system. Even The Washington Post’s editorial board knows single-payer is insanely expensive and it may not be politically palatable to Americans; paying more in taxes for reduced access to specialized care and treatment. I don’t need to go into the premium spikes with Obamacare—Guy has been documenting the endless increases for years. Obama’s health care overhaul is circling the drain, so let’s go to a system that will sink the country, says the News and Observer. Par for the course I guess.
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#1506994 --- 10/23/17 06:52 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: cwjga]
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It's becoming apparently clear that a few of you trumpites have nothing but criticism, some which is valid but more disturbing is the fact that we're observing new movement of individuals as yourself who are allowing your hypocrisy to take precedence common sense and logic. First you're an embarrassment for that fact that you have control over both the Senate and the House and can handily pass a health bill all by Republican vote alone but you won't stop there by admitting, even your own party can't pass an acceptable legislation that can take the place of the current "as you say" failing established package. Logic is not your current bedside buddy for one monumental fact, a high priced coverage is a whole lot better than "free" non coverage but isn't that goal in the first place, get back to the GW Bush era whereas millions had no coverage and encumbered the government to pay for healthcare anyways...yes you've submitted another DUH moment. crazy

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#1506995 --- 10/23/17 06:56 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
In year one [2014], five percent of our ACA customers consumed $830 million in health care costs. That’s how much money went out of our door to pay for the heath care for the sickest five percent of the ACA population that we had; we collected $75 million in premiums–between what they could contribute and the government subsidy. Any way you cut it that’s an unsustainable business model.”
So, the logical choice is to go to another unsustainable health care system. Even The Washington Post’s editorial board knows single-payer is insanely expensive and it may not be politically palatable to Americans; paying more in taxes for reduced access to specialized care and treatment. I don’t need to go into the premium spikes with Obamacare—Guy has been documenting the endless increases for years. Obama’s health care overhaul is circling the drain, so let’s go to a system that will sink the country, says the News and Observer. Par for the course I guess.
So what happens to the sickest 5% of Americans if Obamacare goes away? I am sure less than 1% of them can afford their health care without government assistance. Are we going to deny these people health care? The richest country in the world? I don't think so. We might as well own up to the fact that we are all going to pay for their healthcare. I don't see why a single payer system where everyone pays into it and gets health care as needed is inherently more expensive than any other system. The economies of scale should help. Medicare is working OK is it not?

It is amazing in the last election how many elderly Americans said I don't like the idea of government health insurance. But don't mess with my Medicare. ummmmm OK.
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#1506996 --- 10/23/17 06:59 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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Yes I'm a "Leftie" but thank God I can think for myself adverse to why you only submit robotic responses to every single issue facing the United States...."Liberal" You are sounding like a skipping record that is need of being thrown out or cleaned because you're stuck in an disastrous grove.

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#1506997 --- 10/23/17 06:59 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Logic is not your current bedside buddy for one monumental fact, a high priced coverage is a whole lot better than "free" non coverage but isn't that goal in the first place, get back to the GW Bush era whereas millions had no coverage and encumbered the government to pay for healthcare anyways...yes you've submitted another DUH moment. crazy
At that time those with no insurance used the most expensive of health care - emergency rooms to take care of serious health problems that would of been less serious with earlier treatment.
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#1506998 --- 10/23/17 07:03 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/it-looks-trump-was-single-payer-he-was-against-it

It looks like Trump was for single-payer before he was against it
09/15/17 11:20 AM—Updated 09/15/17 12:14 PM

As recently as May – four months ago – the president said he believes Australia’s single-payer system is “better” than the U.S. system. (When MSNBC’s Chris Hayes aired the clip for Bernie Sanders, soon after Trump made the remark, the senator nearly jumped out of his chair.)

As the Washington Post reported a couple of months ago, it wasn’t the first time. The president’s comment in May, the article noted, was “merely the latest evidence that Trump, in his heart of hearts, wants single-payer health care.”

Back in 2000, he advocated for it as both a potential Reform Party presidential candidate and in his book, “The America We Deserve.”

“We must have universal health care. Just imagine the improved quality of life for our society as a whole,” he wrote, adding: “The Canadian-style, single-payer system in which all payments for medical care are made to a single agency (as opposed to the large number of HMOs and insurance companies with their diverse rules, claim forms and deductibles) … helps Canadians live longer and healthier than Americans.”

Just before the 2016 campaign, Trump appeared on David Letterman’s show and held up Scotland’s socialized system as the ideal.


Edited by kyle585 (10/23/17 07:08 AM)
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#1506999 --- 10/23/17 07:06 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Formermac
Logic is not your current bedside buddy for one monumental fact, a high priced coverage is a whole lot better than "free" non coverage but isn't that goal in the first place, get back to the GW Bush era whereas millions had no coverage and encumbered the government to pay for healthcare anyways...yes you've submitted another DUH moment. crazy
At that time those with no insurance used the most expensive of health care - emergency rooms to take care of serious health problems that would of been less serious with earlier treatment.



Thank you Sir and who paid for the ER visit? you,I and cwjga but he haven't awaken to that fact and common sense is yet forth coming.

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#1507000 --- 10/23/17 07:38 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
but the uncertainty in the overall insurance market has resulted in huge jumps for other customers
One big factor is actions that Trump has taken greatly increasing the uncertainty at the same time as he complains about the uncertainty.
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#1507006 --- 10/23/17 09:53 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Of course she won't slum it with single payer either.

If it were the law of the land, she just might. Regardless, you apparently don't have a clue how a single-payer system would work, do you?
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#1507035 --- 10/23/17 08:36 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Timbo]
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I'm sure you do though! ROFLMAO!

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#1507206 --- 10/25/17 02:56 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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Brutal: Many Iowans Are Living Through an Obamacare Horror Story -- and, No, it's Not Trump's Fault
Guy Benson

It's easy to predict how Democrats will respond to negative Obamacare headlines in perpetuity -- especially since Donald Trump's (legally-compelled) cessation of illegal "stabilization" funds. Trump's uncertainty and 'sabotage' caused these problems, they'll squeal, side-stepping their own culpability for passing a terribly broken law that was failing badly long before Trump was ever elected. Republicans' inability to fulfill fundamental repeal-and-replace promises does mean that they own a sizable portion of the ongoing mess, but Obamacare was a partisan scheme that was passed and implemented exclusively by one party. As the failing law continues to unravel, citizens in Iowa have been especially adversely affected, as chronicled in a devastating Politico story. Real people. Real, ongoing harm:

Iowa’s individual health insurance market is in chaos—with competition disappearing and prices skyrocketing...That’s a lesson tens of thousands of Iowans have learned over the past four years as the state’s individual health insurance market has imploded, with insurers fleeing the market because of big losses. With Obamacare’s fifth open-enrollment season kicking off on Nov. 1, the consequences are playing out across one of America’s most politically influential states as residents struggle to maintain coverage. Just one insurer, Medica, is willing to sell Obamacare plans in Iowa for next year—and it plans to raise premiums by an average of more than 50 percent. Thousands of Iowans, particularly those who make too much money to qualify for financial assistance, are likely to find that monthly premiums for 2018 are less comparable to a cellphone bill and more like a mortgage payment. The Iowa Insurance Division predicts that the number of individuals enrolled in coverage will decrease by at least 25 percent next year...Iowa is not alone in having a disastrous insurance marketplace. Arizona, North Carolina and Tennessee have had similarly dysfunctional exchanges, with paltry competition and soaring premiums. Nearly half the counties in America have just a single insurer willing to sell coverage on the Obamacare markets.
Truth bomb after truth bomb, starting with the critical context that these issues have deteriorated every year since the law went into effect. Over that time period, average premium increases on Obamacare's federal exchange have ballooned by 105 percent. To drive this point home once again, rates and costs have been spiking, and battered insurers have been abandoning the marketplaces under heavy losses for years. These phenomena all pre-date Trump's presidential announcement, nomination, election, and post-January policy moves. Republicans and Democrats may manage to apply some sort of bipartisan bandaid "fix" for carriers regarding the cost sharing subsidies (CSRs), but even if the deal includes a handful of positive reforms, it won't rectify the law's fatal flaws. This should be screamingly obvious, but because of Democrats' new "Trump's fault" talking point, it must be repeated every time this issue arises: Obamacare fell apart while the Obama administration was unlawfully paying out the CSRs, and continued to unravel back when everyone expected Hillary would win and continue propping up the wheezing law. Speaking of a compromise, what's the likelihood that something gets hammered out and passed? Mitch McConnell says he'll bring a cross-aisle pact to the floor...if a certain someone signs on:

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Sunday he'd be willing to bring bipartisan health care legislation to the floor — if Trump makes clear he supports it. A proposal by two senators - Republican Lamar Alexander of Tennessee and Democrat Patty Murray of Washington - would extend for two years federal insurance payments that Trump has blocked, in an effort to stabilize insurance markets. But Trump has offered mixed signals, alternately praising and condemning the effort - confusing Democrats and Republicans alike. Asked whether he would bring the bill to the floor, McConnell said on CNN's "State of the Union" that he was waiting "to hear from President Trump what kind of health care bill he might sign." "If there's a need for some kind of interim step here to stabilize the market, we need a bill the president will actually sign. And I'm not certain yet what the president is looking for here, but I will be happy to bring a bill to the floor if I know President Trump would sign it," the Republican said. He added of Trump: "I think he hasn't made a final decision."
I'll leave you with a piece Matt highlighted yesterday. Democrats are fracturing over single-payer healthcare, a top litmus test of the left-wing base that is worrisome to more mainstream Democrats who are concerned about the plan's towering fiscal and political risks. Here's an Obama administration alum torching the BernieCare craze in the New York Times:

The crusty Vermont independent wants to be a senatorial pied piper for Democrats. He has made his proposal into a kind of litmus test for who is a “good Democrat,” inveigling 16 of his colleagues — more than a third of Senate Democrats — into endorsing it. A goodly number of those senators are presidential hopefuls, leaving their prospective campaigns open to attack from Republicans salivating to capitalize on an idea that has historically been a political graveyard. Remember Hillarycare? As a centrist Democrat, I’m scared to see my party pulled into positions that are both bad politics and dubious policy. And I’m disappointed that few of our party’s moderates are willing to resist the freight train coming at us from the left..Yes, recent polls seem to indicate rising support for single payer. But when factors like whether taxes would be raised or the Affordable Care Act would be repealed are introduced, the consensus swings to opposition. Spellbound Democrats should also consider the fate of past single payer proposals. In Sanders’s home state of Vermont, a single payer plan was abandoned after an analysis found that it would require a near doubling of the state budget (and increasing taxes similarly). In Colorado last November, a whopping 80 percent of voters rejected a universal plan, again over taxes and costs. And for similar reasons, California recently shelved a single-payer proposal.
These are strong warnings from someone who sees the peril in store for a party that embraces a radical healthcare scheme that makes Obamacare look like free-market child's play. The public is split evenly on "Medicare for all" (side note: Medicare is on a rapid path to insolvency), but when huge tax increases and the cancellation of all private, employer-based plans are introduced in polling questions, opposition soars. And even if you ignore all of those flaws, are Americans interested in NHS-style, unaccountable, scandal-plagued government rationing and long delays for care? The harsh truth is that despite the Republican Party's embarrassing incoherence and political failures vis-a-vis replacing Obamacare, the Democrats keep demonstrating why they simply cannot be trusted on healthcare.
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#1507211 --- 10/25/17 04:02 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: cwjga
but the uncertainty in the overall insurance market has resulted in huge jumps for other customers
One big factor is actions that Trump has taken greatly increasing the uncertainty at the same time as he complains about the uncertainty.


Not to mention the fact that the Frumpster as yet have not provided an alternative.

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#1507212 --- 10/25/17 04:39 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/report-finds-saving-obamacare-saves-money-n814281

Oct 25 2017, 2:39 pm ET
by Benjy Sarlin

WASHINGTON — A bipartisan health care bill to stabilize Obamacare markets would reduce the deficit, according to a new report by the Congressional Budget Office.

The finding gives the GOP sponsors of the bill, known as Alexander-Murray, a boost in their effort to convince President Trump that signing it would not be a "bailout" for insurers.

"Not only does it not cost anything, it saves taxpayers money," Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., one of the sponsors, said in a floor speech.
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#1507213 --- 10/25/17 04:42 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: cwjga
but the uncertainty in the overall insurance market has resulted in huge jumps for other customers
One big factor is actions that Trump has taken greatly increasing the uncertainty at the same time as he complains about the uncertainty.
Not to mention the fact that the Frumpster as yet have not provided an alternative.
I remember during the campaign when he wanted to repeal Obamacare he said he would provide health insurance better and cheaper. It is now obvious he is totally clueless on health insurance and would sign anything Congress passed that would repeal Obamacare. It must really stick in his craw that a Republican controlled Congress is unable to do that.
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#1507233 --- 10/25/17 08:53 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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It will get done eventually!

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#1507248 --- 10/26/17 01:25 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
It will get done eventually!
Trump will no longer be president eventually. Unless he manages to hang on and become a hero like his hero Putin. mad
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#1507339 --- 10/26/17 09:55 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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IDK Kyle! Sounds like Hilary was pretty close to Putin with all the money going to the Clinton foundation!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-s-uranium.html




Edited by gassy one (10/26/17 10:07 PM)

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#1507352 --- 10/27/17 02:12 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: gassy one]
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IDK Kyle! Sounds like Hilary was pretty close to Putin with all the money going to the Clinton foundation!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-s-uranium.html

You'll lie about absolutely ANYTHING, won't you?

Read and Learn:
https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/
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#1507360 --- 10/27/17 07:39 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Formermac
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: cwjga
but the uncertainty in the overall insurance market has resulted in huge jumps for other customers
One big factor is actions that Trump has taken greatly increasing the uncertainty at the same time as he complains about the uncertainty.
Not to mention the fact that the Frumpster as yet have not provided an alternative.
I remember during the campaign when he wanted to repeal Obamacare he said he would provide health insurance better and cheaper. It is now obvious he is totally clueless on health insurance and would sign anything Congress passed that would repeal Obamacare. It must really stick in his craw that a Republican controlled Congress is unable to do that.


Not only does he want to repeal the ACA but insult the intelligence of smart voters by cutting the budget to certain medical needs for the current opioid epidemic but publicly tout his fight against opioid. The entire scenario contradict itself.


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-opioid-addiction_us_59f242ace4b07fdc5fbcfd5c

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#1507361 --- 10/27/17 08:09 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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Unbelievable!
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