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#1505894 --- 10/03/17 07:47 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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We support them anyway! Foodstamps,free daycare,free education!

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#1505933 --- 10/03/17 07:25 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: gassy one]
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And since when are undocumented immigrants entitled to social welfare benefits? What... they're NOT, you say?

How interesting.
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5 immigration myths debunked:
http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/index.html
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#1505944 --- 10/03/17 08:41 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Timbo]
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Their American born children are DUMBO!I've worked with illegals before! I know how they rape the American handout system! I've worked with Mexicans making 40k a year! When they get paid they wire transfer their money to Mexico Get foodstamps for their children, free migrant daycare and then go the clinic in Geneva for free dental & medical care! All on the American taxpayer dime!


Edited by gassy one (10/03/17 08:48 PM)

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#1506280 --- 10/09/17 12:35 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: gassy one]
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/09/republicans-obamacare-repeal-defeat-admit-243551

For the first time, rank-and-file Republicans are acknowledging Obamacare may never be repealed.

After multiple failures to repeal the law, the White House and many GOP lawmakers are publicly promising to try again in early 2018. But privately, both House and Senate Republicans acknowledge they may never be able to deliver on their seven-year vow to scrap the law.

"I would bet a substantial part of it is there 10 years from now,” said one GOP senator, who declined to say that for attribution.

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#1506283 --- 10/09/17 02:25 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Not arrests though!

Make up your mind, do you wan't to spend money on useless endeavors, or don't you? And who would possibly benefit from doing so?
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#1506284 --- 10/09/17 02:28 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Their American born children are DUMBO!I've worked with illegals before! I know how they rape the American handout system! I've worked with Mexicans making 40k a year! When they get paid they wire transfer their money to Mexico Get foodstamps for their children, free migrant daycare and then go the clinic in Geneva for free dental & medical care! All on the American taxpayer dime!

I'll give $100 to the first person who can provide actual proof of any local undocumented worker doing presicely that.

Let's make it interesting... I'll make it $1000! whistle
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#1506289 --- 10/09/17 04:17 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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#1506402 --- 10/11/17 06:28 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
More than you are flower petal!
Not when you consider that I served my country HONORABLY. whistle

So a lot of men and women have served Honorably, what makes you better than anyone, Master Timbo.

Go back and read the actual thread comments gassy was "replying" to, then you can feel free to ask meaningless questions. crazy
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#1506469 --- 10/11/17 08:59 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Timbo]
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And get meaningless answers!

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#1506544 --- 10/13/17 09:19 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: gassy one]
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Edited by gassy one (10/13/17 01:25 PM)

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#1506674 --- 10/17/17 02:10 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: gassy one]
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/17/politics/health-care-csr-payments-deal-reached/index.html

Udated 3:02 PM ET, Tue October 17, 2017

Schumer: Health deal has broad support

Sens. Lamar Alexander and Patty Murray have reached a deal "in principle" to restore Obamacare cost-sharing reduction payments for two years in exchange for more state flexibility in Obamacare, according to two Senate aides.

One Senate aide said the plan would also restore just over $100 million in funding for Obamacare outreach.


President Donald Trump, when asked about the deal, called it a "short-term solution" but appeared supportive of the proposal.

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#1506686 --- 10/17/17 03:12 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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He left it up to Congress just like he did on DACA!

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#1506693 --- 10/17/17 03:45 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
He left it up to Congress just like he did on DACA!
Well it appears that Republicans and Dems can work together in congress if Trump would quit tweeting and pouring gasoline on the fire.

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#1506699 --- 10/17/17 04:21 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-h...sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump wants you to forget about that whole Obamacare thing.

"Virtually dead," he said on Tuesday. "In its final legs." That was a slight upgrade from the health care program's condition on Monday, when the president declared it "finished," "gone," and told reporters they "shouldn’t even mention" it.

"There’s no such thing as Obamacare anymore," Trump added.

Whatever the president wants to call it, millions of Americans will soon purchase insurance plans on state and federal exchanges during the open enrollment period for Obamacare, which begins November 1 and ends December 15. Millions of them will still be eligible to receive federal subsidies if they qualify for assistance and millions more will be able to obtain Medicaid coverage through Obamacare.

Despite his best efforts, Trump is stuck with the reality that Obamacare is still the law of the land and that his own administration is responsible for overseeing the health care system that's been shaped by it.

In recent days, he's sent mixed messages as to what he plans to do about it.

The president has taken aim at the law with an executive order that could undermine Obamacare's insurance exchanges and Trump cut off cost-sharing reduction payments (CSR) that reimburse insurers for lowering deductibles.

Trump has highlighted the upcoming premium increases, which his own actions have helped encourage, as evidence the law is "dead."

At a press conference with Greek Prime Minister Tsipras on Tuesday at the White House, Trump decried the CSR payments as money that insurers use to "line their pockets" and "raise their stock prices."

But at the same event, he appeared to bless a bipartisan proposal by Sens. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., and Patty Murray, D-Wash., that would reinstate the CSR payments while loosening some Obamacare regulations.

"The solution will be for about a year or two years and it will get us over this intermediate hump," Trump said, adding he had been "involved" in their negotiations.

The White House almost immediately began pushing back against the idea Trump had endorsed the deal, instead portraying the Alexander-Murray agreement as only the start of a negotiation.

Trump had previously boasted on Monday that his decision to cut off CSR’s "brought Republicans and Democrats together," another signal that he was interested in a deal, even as he said his goal was still to repeal the law sometime next year.

Trump’s sudden turn toward more modest bipartisan fixes has run counter to his administration’s typical approach to the law, which has usually consisted of tweaks that seem designed to raise premiums and reduce enrollment.


In addition to his CSR decision, the Trump administration has slashed advertising by 90 percent for enrollment, cut funding for customer service, and cancelled outreach events, which have all prompted cries of Obamacare sabotage from Democrats and healthcare activists.

Insurers and industry analysts say the uncertainty over the White House's approach has already raised premiums for 2018. Some experts and advocates warn that his latest flurry of actions, along with his regular claims of the law’s demise, could lead customers to wrongly believe they’ll no longer be eligible to sign up for a plan.

"People are confused," said Lori Lodes, co-founder of Get America Covered, an outside effort to enroll Americans through Obamacare. "All of the actions the Trump administration has taken to roll back outreach and upend how the marketplaces work is creating even more confusion."

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#1506717 --- 10/17/17 08:46 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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Obama said health insurance rates were going to go down under Obamacare remember Kyle? The opposite has happened with rates rising at least 10% a year! Another Obama lie!

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#1506755 --- Yesterday at 01:40 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: gassy one]
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Single-Payer Nightmare: Britain's NHS Proposes Suspending Surgeries for Smokers and Obese Patients
Guy Benson

Yesterday brought the news that two influential Senators had hammered out a bipartisan agreement that would temporarily resolve Obamacare's newly-expanded 'cost-sharing' subsidies dispute. After President Trump ended his predecessor's illegal payments to insurers (ruled unconstitutional by the federal courts because the funds were never appropriated by Congress, as required), industry experts warned that the move would force premiums and costs even higher, as carriers seek to mitigate even bigger financial losses than the ones that have already driven providers out of marketplaces from coast to coast. The Alexander-Murray compromise would legally allocate those bailout-style funds for two years, in exchange for very minor concessions from Democrats regarding state flexibility and catastrophic plans. Trump appeared initially supportive of the deal but has walked that back a bit -- as Paul Ryan signals that the proposed trade-offs are woefully insufficient to attract House Republican support. The fate of the whole "fix" push, therefore, remains murky.

Democrats, meanwhile, are again advocating the addition of a so-called "public option" to Obamacare, which would undercut private offerings with an artifically-cheaper, taxpayer-subsidized government plan. This would effectively destroy private insurance in the individual market, a fact of which its supporters are well aware; in fact, they embrace it. Why? It would usher in the "need" for a socialized single-payer regime highly prized by the Democratic Party's dominant left flank. We've written before about why it's a totally unaffordable, wildly-disruptive scheme -- Bernie and friends have no answers on these devastating fiscal realities -- but it's also immoral. When the government controls your healthcare, they control you. And when the government bites off more than it can chew, rationing, substandard care, and long wait-lists for treatment inevitably follow. This isn't a hypothetical. Under the UK's chronically under-funded and scandal-plagued NHS system, the government bureaucrats end up micromanaging family decisions and banning effective and groundbreaking new treatments on account of cost. And when things get really tight, they cook up even more draconian edicts. Tough luck, smokers and overweight Britons:

The NHS will ban patients from surgery indefinitely unless they lose weight or quit smoking, under controversial plans drawn up in Hertfordshire. The restrictions - thought to be the most extreme yet to be introduced by health services - immediately came under attack from the Royal College of Surgeons. Its vice president called for an “urgent rethink” of policies which he said were “discriminatory” and went against the fundamental principles of the NHS. In recent years, a number of areas have introduced delays for such patients - with some told operations will be put back for months, during which time they are expected to try to lose weight or stop smoking.

But the new rules, drawn up by clinical commissioning groups (CCGs) in Hertfordshire, say that obese patients “will not get non-urgent surgery until they reduce their weight” at all, unless the circumstances are exceptional. The criteria also mean smokers will only be referred for operations if they have stopped smoking for at least eight weeks, with such patients breathalysed before referral. East and North Hertfordshire CCG and Herts Valleys said the plans aimed to encourage people “to take more responsibility for their own health and wellbeing, wherever possible, freeing up limited NHS resources for priority treatment”. Both are in financial difficulty, and between them seeking to save £68m during this financial year.
British doctors are objecting to this outrageous plan. Might they go on strike to protest it? Smokers and heavy people pay taxes to fund NHS just like everyone else, but they're more of a drain on the over-burdened system, so their pain and maladies are therefore deemed less worthy of urgent treatment by Big Brother. They 'deserve' their problems. Don't like it, ingrates? Kick your habit and hit the treadmill. Quitting smoking and exercising are worthwhile ideas, of course, but it's cold-blooded coercion if the "or else" threat is...losing access to needed care -- with no recourse, mind you; the government is the ultimate authority. This is how budget-busting, patient-failing socialized healthcare operates. Speaking of which, I'll leave you with more evidence of ongoing corruption and abuse at the VA, a microcosm single-payer system designed exclusively for our veterans. Problem not solved:


Ben Sasse &#10004;@BenSasse
http://www.hastingstribune.com/news/stat...dba76b3689.html
1:35 PM - Oct 18, 2017
Photo published for Sasse: Omaha VA's refusal to answer questions 'unacceptable'

Sasse: Omaha VA's refusal to answer questions 'unacceptable'
OMAHA, Neb. (AP) — U.S. Sen. Ben Sasse is seeking answers from the Department of Veterans of Affairs following reports that VA employees kept a secret waiting list of patients

Employees at the VA Nebraska-Western Iowa Health Care System kept an unauthorized, off-the-books waiting list for some Omaha mental health appointments, according to documents obtained by The World-Herald. The secret list dodged requirements the Department of Veterans Affairs issued in July 2016 setting strict rules for establishing and maintaining waiting lists, according to a memo from the system’s compliance officer to Director Don Burman dated Aug. 11. The compliance officer’s audit included two whistleblower complaints made about lists for appointments at the VA’s mental health psychotherapy clinic in Omaha...Local VA officials would not say how many local veterans were impacted, or why or by whom the lists were kept. Nor would they say how many employees were involved or what disciplinary action was taken against them. The unauthorized waiting list echoed a nationwide scandal that erupted in 2014 at the VA Medical Center in Phoenix, which showed that veterans there were dying while waiting months for medical care on lists that were kept secret.
More government and more spending will never alleviate these issues, especially because government supremacist politicians have a vested ideological interest in downplaying government failures. The truth is that centralized government is generally just a really lousy vehicle for doing most big things with even a modicum of competence, responsiveness and accountability. Single-Payer supporters want to import the NHS' dysfunction and the VA's failures to every American while ripping 150 million workers off of their existing coverage and hiking taxes across the board. And the people who insist otherwise are the same characters who misled and lied about Obamacare every step of the way.

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Obama ignores (to be kind) the constitution. Obama throws millions off their health insurance. But it's the GOP's and Trump's fault.

The left wants government to control their lives, but when they get rationed they will bitch and blame every one else.
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#1506758 --- Yesterday at 03:25 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Obama said health insurance rates were going to go down under Obamacare remember Kyle? The opposite has happened with rates rising at least 10% a year! Another Obama lie!

Are you actually suggesting that they didn't?

The ACA was designed to reduce the cost of policies for the majority of those who previously could not afford coverage or were denied insurance based on pre-existing conditions. Additionally, lower and middle-class American families were eligible for subsidies UP TO approximately $2,700 per annum. Furthermore, additional cost reductions were realized nationwide in hospital care, prescription costs and treatment of general health conditions. Lastly, the rate of policy cost increases dropped DRAMATICALLY to the lowest rate in US history.

These are the FACTS.
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#1506763 --- Yesterday at 08:36 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Timbo]
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