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#1450891 --- 06/16/14 02:39 PM The Obamacare thread is getting too long
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http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/were-last-again-u-s-health-care-ranks-poorly-n132081

The latest look at the U.S. health care system compared to other rich countries shows — yet again — that the United States comes in dead last.

Americans spend far more per person on medical care, yet are less healthy than people in 10 other countries. The system is less fair than systems in other rich countries and it’s far less efficient, ranking last of 11 nations, the Commonwealth Fund report reads.

The nonprofit Commonwealth Fund has been publishing its report — based on data from the World Health Organization, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development and its own research — for a decade.

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“Among the 11 nations studied in this report — Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and the United States — the U.S. ranks last, as it did in the 2010, 2007, 2006, and 2004 editions,” the report reads.

“Most troubling, the U.S. fails to achieve better health outcomes than the other countries, and as shown in the earlier editions, the U.S. is last or near last on dimensions of access, efficiency, and equity."

The embarrassing reports have been an impetus for health reform in the U.S. including the 2010 Affordable Care Act. Before the issue became a divisive political debate, both Republicans and Democrats agreed strongly on the need for health reform.

Some politicians have held up other countries’ health systems as examples of what they don’t want for the U.S., but the report finds countries with nationalized medical systems outperform the U.S. on all the measures.

“On indicators of efficiency, the U.S. ranks last among the 11 countries, with the U.K. and Sweden ranking first and second, respectively,” the report reads.

Americans aren’t living any longer, either. “The U.S. and U.K. had much higher death rates in 2007 from conditions amenable to medical care than some of the other countries, e.g., rates 25 percent to 50 percent higher than Australia and Sweden. Overall, France, Sweden, and Switzerland rank highest on healthy lives,” the report reads.

“The U.S. ranks a clear last on measures of equity. Americans with below-average incomes were much more likely than their counterparts in other countries to report not visiting a physician when sick; not getting a recommended test, treatment, or follow-up care; or not filling a prescription or skipping doses when needed because of costs.”

The Affordable Care Act, widely known as Obamacare, seeks to fix this by making private health insurance and Medicaid far more widely available.
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#1450895 --- 06/16/14 03:47 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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No figures?

I would bet it has more to do with the fact that we are less healthy, than it does with the cost.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Obesity
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#1450902 --- 06/16/14 06:00 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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#1450904 --- 06/16/14 06:14 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: cwjga]
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Cwjga, explain why before any mandates such as Obamacare etc. were set in place, United States ranks lower than many countries in terms of health care and benefit? it wouldn't have anything to do with greedy pharmaceuticals, insurance companies and doctors because those fact would blow your long line of garbage out the window. shocked
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#1450909 --- 06/16/14 07:41 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: ]
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I just love how you're always the first to raise your hands when they ask for volunteer a**********

http://kff.org/infographic/the-requirement-to-buy-coverage-under-the-affordable-care-act
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#1450917 --- 06/16/14 09:10 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
The Obamacare thread is getting too long


If you think this thread is too long, wait to you see the lines at the hospitals whistle
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#1450919 --- 06/16/14 09:24 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: sands]
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Originally Posted By: sands
Originally Posted By: kyle585
The Obamacare thread is getting too long


If you think this thread is too long, wait to you see the lines at the hospitals whistle



Now which is it Sands? a few months ago, you personally said that the ACA wouldn't garner enough people to make the mandate worth while, now your hypocrisy states that due to it's "failure" in reaching the numbers and the Obama people actually lying about the numbers........???????????
Why will there be an overflow if the ACA negated to actually make any significant additions????????????
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#1450924 --- 06/16/14 10:28 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Formermac]
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LOL! He's quite the rocket scientist, isn't he?
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#1450981 --- 06/17/14 02:15 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: kyle585]
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What is getting to be too long is the list of Barry Barack's failures. Obamacare is the top of the failure list.
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#1451000 --- 06/17/14 03:30 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Hard Corps]
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Originally Posted By: Hard Corps
Obamacare is the top of the failure list.


Attempting to resuscitate dead talking points?

Don't embarrass yourself. Fox News already bailed on that narrative. Try catching up.



Everything’s coming up aces for the ACA

The Rachel Maddow Show / The MaddowBlog
By Steve Benen

6/13/14


The news surrounding the Affordable Care Act has been so good this week, it’s almost hard to know where to start.

We could start with the fact that private insurers who skipped the exchanges now want in...

One of the many, many, many predictions of Obamacare failure made by conservatives is that insurance companies would systematically drop out of the exchanges. They made this prediction many, many, many, many, many times. The data is starting to come in and, guess what, insurance companies are joining the exchanges. Dan Diamond reports that, in every state that has reported information so far, the number of insurance companies competing in the exchanges will expand in year two. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/06/todays-obamacare-non-train-wreck-news.html

… or we could go with the fact, as expected, consumers are paying their premiums...

I’m quite confident that at least 90% of the original 8.02 million exchange QHP enrollees have paid their first premiums (and I’m guessing up to 80% of the 300K+ who’ve enrolled since then). http://acasignups.net/14/06/12/will-gop-...ave-paid-survey

… or we could talk about “Obamacare” cutting the rate of uninsured in New Jersey by 38%, Minnesota by 40%, and Kentucky by 50%.*

By why stop there?

Medicare growth rates are also encouraging...

The latest data, as broken down by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, shows underlying Medicare growth, even after adjusting for temporary policies, is growing at just 2.5 percent. That’s more than a full percentage point below economic and beneficiary growth. Medicare, in other words, is growing slower as a percent of the economy and on a per-person basis. http://www.vox.com/2014/6/11/5800818/2-promising-signs-for-americas-growing-health-care-costs

A percentage point might not seem like a huge deal. But if the trend holds, it could translate to billions of dollars in savings for the federal government.

… as are the latest polls.

When faced with the niggling problem that polls show a majority of Americans oppose repealing Obamacare, some of the law’s foes like to claim those polls are problematic because they offer a choice between “fixing” and “repealing” the law. This, they say, biases responses in favor of “fix,” because people like fixing things, and at any rate, Obamacare can’t be fixed by definition. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum...-over-obamacare/

So this new Bloomberg News poll will pose an additional problem to those who simply refuse to accept the reality that, while disapproval of the law remains high, the American people still want to stick with it.

In all, a little less than a third of the country supports repealing the Affordable Care Act – the position Republicans have spent years touting as smart policy and politics.

Looking at all of the good ACA news last week, Simon Maloy said, “We’re only six days into June, and opponents of the ACA have already had a terrible month.”

For the health care opponents on the right, June looks even worse this week.

In some corners, there are still dead-enders convinced that the entire American health care system is on the brink of an Obama-imposed collapse. Of course, in those corners, ACORN is rigging elections, the deficit is getting larger, and the war in Iraq was a good idea.


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#1451001 --- 06/17/14 04:14 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Hard Corps]
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Originally Posted By: Hard Corps
What is getting to be too long is the list of Barry Barack's failures. Obamacare is the top of the failure list.


Amen
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#1451002 --- 06/17/14 04:31 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: MWSG-17

You may want to check again with your old Thesaurus again, because Obamacare was not a mandate, but a law enacted by our Legislators. A mandate is a order not a law!

Harley's right! A mandate isn't a law. A mandate defines the occasion gathering of Harley and his biker hogs. grin
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#1451045 --- 06/17/14 10:53 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Josephus]
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Originally Posted By: Josephus
Harley's right! A mandate isn't a law. A ManDate defines the occasion[al] gathering of Harley and his biker hogs. grin

Harley's Angels. grin


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#1451046 --- 06/17/14 11:09 PM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Josephus
Harley's right! A mandate isn't a law. A ManDate defines the occasion[al] gathering of Harley and his biker hogs. grin

Harley's Angels. grin



HA! grin

No scraggly, gray, old man beards though...
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#1451048 --- 06/18/14 04:56 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Josephus]
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Originally Posted By: Josephus
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Josephus
Harley's right! A mandate isn't a law. A ManDate defines the occasion[al] gathering of Harley and his biker hogs. grin

Harley's Angels. grin



HA! grin

No scraggly, gray, old man beards though...


So your not just racist! sick
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#1451057 --- 06/18/14 06:59 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: cwjga]
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#1451059 --- 06/18/14 07:12 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Everything’s coming up aces for the ACA


is that why people who were forced into obamacare just received the new rates for next year and they went up 18%?

wait until the employer aspect kicks in at the end of the year and employees see their double digit rate hikes
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#1451060 --- 06/18/14 07:18 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: cwjga]
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How about the premise of human LOGIC at time cwjga? your ole tired Liberal logic can be attributed to cwjga's ignorance and that alone. Quickly gravitating to any article to make a uneducated and unproven case is shear ignorance and not logic due to the fact that logic is well thought out...whether good or bad. BTW your poster is so worded and congested , it loses it's effectiveness....LMBO

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/11...-and-exploited#


http://crooksandliars.com/2014/03/obamacare-victim-julie-boonstras-sad-state
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#1451084 --- 06/18/14 10:16 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Teonan
Everything’s coming up aces for the ACA

is that why people who were forced into obamacare just received the new rates for next year and they went up 18%?

wait until the employer aspect kicks in at the end of the year and employees see their double digit rate hikes

And exactly as before, you may feel free to purchase a different plan. Only this time, you have a MUCH larger pool of generally less expensive plans (with greater benefits and fewer exclusions) from which to choose.

Now give us some citations, so that we may research the trues costs of this policy which may include "trivialities" such as risk factors like smoking, community and age of the insured. Or is it too much to ask, to establish the veracity of your "alleged" facts.
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#1451086 --- 06/18/14 10:32 AM Re: The Obamacare thread is getting too long [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Josephus
Harley's right! A mandate isn't a law. A ManDate defines the occasion[al] gathering of Harley and his biker hogs. grin

Harley's Angels. grin



So your not just racist! sick

Not familiar with the concept of irony, are you? crazy
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