They doublespeak for themselves. He reminds me of Teo...maybe they've moved in together, or something. They're even using the same word...Yikes!

Thank you Rich and VM. That is why I gave up trying to debate with those two.

Rich, it's rather pathetic as well as inconsiderate to trivialize the reasons that the Native Americans are suing, give us a synopsis of the great social advantages we as America have extended to them.....I must say, that post is one of the most ignorant,degrading and insensitive comments I've witnessed in a while. Of course we all know that the likelihood of you being a women, Native American or any other minority is just about nil. Thank God that there are compassionate Whites that were taught better than you.

I trivialize nothing and as evident by the list of lawsuits they are mostly arrogant reruns of prior settlements and results of tribes violating the laws.

If it were not for courts treating tribes as incompetent wards the cases would have been dismissed and their attorneys reprimanded for filing frivolous lawsuits at the start. That is the ONLY thing which is pathetic and inconsiderate.

As for your lack of understanding of what great social advantages we as Americans have extended to them maybe you should attend a few citizenship swearing in ceremonies and ask the people there.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/04/us/naturalized-american-citizens-ireport/
"No other country gives you the right to pursue happiness, and that is the right that I have grabbed firmly with both hands," Park said. "A lot of people complain about this country ... but try living elsewhere without all the rights that you take for granted. In some ways, we immigrants are the lucky ones; we see more clearly the opportunities that this great nation affords all its people."
Immigrant: Becoming American doesn't mean giving up native culture

Millions strive to become citizens and be afforded the rights, privileges and responsibilities scoffed at by those being handed everything for nothing and many have died with just the hopes of having that opportunity. Hardly the same can be said for those seeking tribal memberships.

Unlike yourself and others I have never hidden behind a forum name or kept any secrets and I never accepted the premised one sided white guilt preached by the likes of Russell Means, Winnona LaDuke, and AIM of what someone 200 years old may or may not have done or not done.

The only control and responsibility anyone has is for themselves in the here and now and those in the here and now are not responsible for the actions of those in the past. There is a considerable difference between being compassionate and being simple minded enough to accept guilt based on anything other than one’s own actions. And to base anything on race is racist in itself.

There are those who check other.
http://wecheckother.com/archives/category/race-2

Tribes sue for everything and anything over nothing

Comprehension is first required in order to respond Rich. When has it been your place or position to author the reason(s) that they spend millions to fight a cause (their) or is that another privilege reserved for those only you've chosen?

http://www.fltimes.com/news/article_9a127350-a54b-11e3-9d28-001a4bcf887a.html

Comprehension is just as lacking in yourself as it is in Timbo. The url article link regarding the Oneida deal mentions reference to the Cayuga allegations regarding the land claim which they already lost.

Foreclosure proceedings by the counties is based on law and applied equally under the law, not based on your perceptions.

Speaking of perceptions...


More "Heteroclitic Definitives" according to Ricky Tallcot (or what's more commonly referred to as "opinions" by the rest of the known universe.

I can understand your confusion. Based on the circle that you travel in, what are the odds of more than one of your fellow pseudo-libertarian nut jobs, having even a remotely decent command of the English language.

Then again, the whole bunch of you "cultural Luddites" just love kicking around terms, such as "statist" and "socialist" (regardless of wether or not you understand their actual origins and meanings).

Based on laws and Judicial OPINIONS of the past, I didn't have the right to vote or patronize certain establishments, those laws & rules coming from who? "Perceptions" are and will always be pre-determined from opposing points of views. Your position only aligns itself with the laws you've deemed favorable to your positions. I happen to have voted by "law" for a Democrat and the Liberal processes, why is your "perception" so violently opposed to mine that you now see the need to revamp the voting laws thus placing the assumed advantages back in your court? Bottom line, your perception has no fact or given edge to that of others who happen to disagree with you Your Honor

What in the world are you talking about? The Civil War and following legislation changed this generations ago.

Apparently you still have not a clue son. Look up the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which was 50 years ago. SMH
The 1868 14th Amendment just couldn't get it right. Just to get you up to speed,
the 19th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution gave women the right to vote in 1919.

I am aware of all that. There has been a lot on the news the last few days about the 50 years anniversary of the civil rights act of 1964. Are you saying there are still women in the US who are denied the right to vote? You can never say exactly what your complaint is. You just keep beating around the bush and playing games. You have learned a lot from Timbo lately it appears. I just don't know why I waste my time with you guys.

I think that I reposted this before.....ROTFLMBO
Don't go away mad, just go away

It really bugs the hell out of you, that it's not just me who feels that you are often wrong on certain issues, doesn't it?

So much so, that you apparently feel the need to resort to lumping together the shared opinions of many, in a clumsy attempt to discredit the sheer number of those who choose to point out the glaring flaws and contradictions in many of your conclusions.

It's OK to be wrong from time to time.

Many? ROFLMAO. It was two, you and Teonan. Now you have recruited Formermac to agree with you. The people that agree with me are large in number including all elected officials in local counties and the local elected officials to the state legislature.

Uh-Oh, We've Been Made!

Comrade Teo and I abducted Formermac and subjected him to weeks of repetitive indoctrination techniques, in order to further our plan for total world domination.



Allow me to remind you of these two words: "FLAWED CONCLUSIONS".

I don't recall Formerac posting at all on this Indian thread until a week or two ago. At first he seemed interested in listening to both sides. Then he suddenly went radical in his support of your position. I guess your position is to give the Indians everything? It is impossible to tell from the gibberish you post.

There you go, trying to control the dialogue, again.

At the risk of speaking (inaccurately) for Formermac, that, as a person of Native American & African American heritage, perhaps he finally has grown tired listening to all of the many misrepresentations and false conclusions regarding the facts as they relate to this very important (and probably quite personal) subject.

If anyone on these threads, has a "birthright" to speak on the issue, I submit that HE does.

OK fine. I am more than willing to listen to him. I would just like him to give some concrete suggestions on what he thinks we should do to make amends for past injustices and where to go from hereon out. Lord knows, I cannot get any such thoughts from you. His latest rant about women not being able to vote or patronize certain establishments, leaves me suspect on where he is going next.

Moderator4??????? For someone that was done posting for a while you seem rather in a hurry to resume there Kyle. As far as I know, it's my right to post anywhere I choose. My only restrictions are forum rules not yours.