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#1443977 --- 04/09/14 07:28 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Formermac]
Rich_Tallcot Offline
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On my census forms I put "American". The land was conquered like many other lands throughout history including tribes conquering each other.

The tribes are neither naive nor ignorant of the rules. No one has blamed them for decisions their ancestors made. Like you selling your house, your great grandson may think you got taken advantage of. Oddly the Iroquois brag about influencing the Constitution and now complain about living under it. The unfortunate part is that tribal members do not have constitutional rights and little defense against their own governments which often claim sovereign immunity even against their own members. The rest of us are allowed to file lawsuits against our governments.

As for rights, equality under the law is and has slowly progressed for women, blacks and all minorities. Yes, Caucasians did come and conquer the land just as others have done since time immemorial and rules were established.

Your leading post where you claimed choosing to stay out of the debate pointed out that unless a family is indigenous to the Americas (North or South) they are in fact a descendant of immigrants.

And from that you evolved through admitting the first inhabitants were immigrants too and the native American has more of a justified claim of squatter's rights.

But basically squatter's rights is why the Cayuga lost their land claim in 2005 and the Oneida lost their lawsuit against Sherrill the same year. The rulings were based on laches, which includes the passage of time.

Your response to Kyle questioning race on forms leads with disappointment in him followed by stating his ideals of being superior in intellect are based on race. They you say he bragged about the fact that their lack of knowledge is their fault in getting the short end of the stick. Although he never said any such thing your preaching of white guilt leads to his apology. How Russell Means of you.

Wrapping you consider yourself as important as anyone else and I agree.

But then you claim the curiosity of why certain people believing themselves equal to others to the extent of having the audacity to demand rights that initially excluded them in the first place.

Of course that only applies to the minority class even though the minority of women are now the majority, claiming equal rights is not what the tribes are claiming, but rather the superior rights to be excluded from the laws which apply to everyone else.

Thank you for your input.

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#1443978 --- 04/09/14 07:32 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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?????????????? crazy

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#1443979 --- 04/09/14 07:32 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Formermac]
tubby Offline
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You have no clue read a local paper.

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#1443980 --- 04/09/14 07:35 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: kyle585]
Rich_Tallcot Offline
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Formermac
Somehow Kyle fails to understand
I feel I have an open mind. It is your preconceived notion that I do not.
BINGO !!!

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#1443981 --- 04/09/14 07:36 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: tubby]
Formermac Offline
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Originally Posted By: tubby
You have no clue read a local paper.


You have no data or fact, which I've surmised from the start, go to your local assessor's office. laugh

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#1443982 --- 04/09/14 07:39 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Nice reply to formerpapa4.
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#1443988 --- 04/09/14 07:50 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: VM Smith]
Teonan Offline
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Nice reply to formerpapa4.

Lol...you actually consider that colonial-mentality warpage an astute reply?

Shameless pandering Fuzzy.
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#1443989 --- 04/09/14 07:54 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Formermac]
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#1443992 --- 04/09/14 08:00 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: tubby]
Formermac Offline
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Thanks for confirming your ignorance, everyone within 200 miles know of the refusal of the Indians to pay business property taxes. I ask you about individual property taxes on a singular home.....You need help in that respect? laugh laugh laugh
Start with Webster

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#1443993 --- 04/09/14 08:01 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Formermac]
tubby Offline
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My god your an idiot single family residences owned by Indians are included in that figure.

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#1443995 --- 04/09/14 08:08 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: tubby]
Formermac Offline
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Originally Posted By: tubby
My god your an idiot single family residences owned by Indians are included in that figure.


It appears that you're an idiot to make a broad assumption to include what you don't know. Tell us Einstein where individual property taxes are mentioned.

unpaid property taxes on land that is owned by the Cayuga Indians.

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#1444001 --- 04/09/14 08:23 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: tubby]
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#1444002 --- 04/09/14 08:23 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: tubby]
Rich_Tallcot Offline
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That means that if Timbo lives in NY and is not on welfare or one of the squatters refusing to pay their taxes that he will be subsidizing everyone else's loss. But we cannot assume his status even though he claims all races are an amalgam but promotes racial superiority under the law by one race.

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#1444003 --- 04/09/14 08:24 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Formermac]
tubby Offline
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I live here, I don't make assumptions.


Edited by tubby (04/09/14 08:26 PM)

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#1444010 --- 04/09/14 08:34 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
Teonan Offline
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
that he will be subsidizing everyone else's loss. But we cannot assume his status even though he claims all races are an amalgam but promotes racial superiority under the law by one race.

Coming from one who viciously denigrates members of LGBT community with homophobic epithets (on a public forum no less) only exposes your own delusions of superiority Richie.
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#1444013 --- 04/09/14 08:42 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: tubby]
Formermac Offline
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Originally Posted By: tubby
I live here, I don't make assumptions.




Simple tool for a simple answer.
Type in Cayuga Nation.
Now tell me the property owners who don't pay taxes versus those current on tax liabilities, charts only states assessments.Municipal laws allow for the sale of property when taxes are not paid. Why this long drawn out situation?

http://www.senecafalls.com/assessor.php

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#1444017 --- 04/09/14 09:21 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Formermac]
Rich_Tallcot Offline
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Are you really that far out of the loop? The tribe sued to stop the foreclosure proceedings and although SCOTUS ruled lands taxable in Sherrill which applies throughout the country, they did not rule on sovereign immunity because the Oneida dropped that defense. The CAYUGA foreclosure case has yet to get there.

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#1444019 --- 04/09/14 09:31 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
Formermac Offline
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Are you really that far out of the loop? The tribe sued to stop the foreclosure proceedings and although SCOTUS ruled lands taxable in Sherrill which applies throughout the country, they did not rule on sovereign immunity because the Oneida dropped that defense. The CAYUGA foreclosure case has yet to get there.


I live in Pennsylvania, so to your question, I am out of the loop. Sounds to me that your legal costs far out weigh the tax levies you're missing out on. Did I read that there's the possibility of a new casino in Waterloo somewhere. What are the chances of that being built and what impact does that have on County taxes and land being transferred to the Indians or is that a non Indian venture?

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#1444022 --- 04/09/14 09:53 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: tubby]
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Originally Posted By: tubby
My house is on a residential street in Seneca County I pay taxes for the privilege of using the streets, plowing, police, firefighters, water, sewer, schools etc., a Native American moves in next door to me enjoying the same privilages and pays no taxes and you think this is fair?

As compared to having 7/8ths of your cultural population killed-off, being removed by threat of massacre from your homeland and then forced to pay taxes to the invaders, just to live on your own land?...

A resounding YES!
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#1444023 --- 04/09/14 10:02 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
Formermac Offline
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: tubby
My house is on a residential street in Seneca County I pay taxes for the privilege of using the streets, plowing, police, firefighters, water, sewer, schools etc., a Native American moves in next door to me enjoying the same privilages and pays no taxes and you think this is fair?

As compared to having 7/8ths of your cultural population killed-off, being removed by threat of massacre from your homeland and then forced taxes to the invaders just to live on your own land?...

A resounding YES!


Very true, the White man decimated the Native Americans and took land from them yet they attempt to rewrite history by stating that treaties were always fair & in the best interest of both parties. I would like to know what they construe as "fair"
250 years ago adverse to what's fair today?

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