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#1443917 --- 04/09/14 11:52 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
we do in most states and counties extend privileges to religious organization, Veterans, clergy, non profit and not for profit agencies. Can you name at least a dozen pieces of properties claiming those particular exemptions in Seneca Falls beside the Indian properties?
I guess the corporate privilege aren't off the map such as ITT(formerly Gould's Pump)who reap all the benefits of property tax abatement, exemptions and reduced utilities just to keep a few jobs in the area.
I consider myself an agnostic and I would have no problem doing away with religious exemptions. Especially in a country that prides itself on separation of church and state. I am skeptical of all the tax breaks we give big companies to supposedly keep them from moving. Tax breaks that lure new companies probably make more sense. These situations are a lot different than Indians buying property where property taxes were previously paid and then not paying these taxes after they own the land. The latest court rulings say that the government can impose these taxes but then not foreclose if they don't pay. That is absurd in the extreme. And is another example of the Indians taking advantage of our judicial system. And then you say we are not being fair to them? We are being more than fair.
So, exactly how many parcels of land are owned by churches, businesses and other tax abated entities that reside in the are(s) in question?
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#1443918 --- 04/09/14 12:16 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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I would like to think that Kyle pays his full share by refusing to take the STAR exemption


http://www.tax.ny.gov/pit/property/assess/local/asmt45.htm

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#1443919 --- 04/09/14 12:20 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Formermac]
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Thx. grin
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#1443924 --- 04/09/14 01:10 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Fritz
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Apparently you don't go on many job interviews with dark skin. Or experience the phenomenon of "driving while black", or earn on average 3/4 of what men do (especially white men).

And don't come back with with some ridiculous reply like "those aren't examples of rights". They are precise examples of systematic institutional and social discrimination. The end result is no different.

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Apparently you don't go on many job interviews with dark skin. Or experience the phenomenon of "driving while black", or earn on average 3/4 of what men do (especially white men).
Neither do you! You're white as sheet, you have to get a spray tan to have a little color!

Aren't you aware of the fact that sheets come in assorted colors and patterns.

You must have at least one set that's lily-livered yellow.grin


Edited by Timbo (04/09/14 01:14 PM)
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#1443926 --- 04/09/14 01:18 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Psychologically so, he possess a set with 2 holes and a pointed top. whistle

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#1443927 --- 04/09/14 01:21 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Formermac]
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Oops! I forgot the obvious. My bad.

If anybody knows about white sheets, it's him.grin
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#1443928 --- 04/09/14 01:29 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Fritz
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Fritz
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Apparently you don't go on many job interviews with dark skin. Or experience the phenomenon of "driving while black", or earn on average 3/4 of what men do (especially white men).

And don't come back with with some ridiculous reply like "those aren't examples of rights". They are precise examples of systematic institutional and social discrimination. The end result is no different.

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Apparently you don't go on many job interviews with dark skin. Or experience the phenomenon of "driving while black", or earn on average 3/4 of what men do (especially white men).
Neither do you! You're white as sheet, you have to get a spray tan to have a little color!

You must not be aware of the fact that sheets come in assorted colors and patterns. grin





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#1443931 --- 04/09/14 01:45 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: ]
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What ever that is suppose to mean but I know a corporation making good money on the sale of cheap BBQ grills, aspirin, make-up and ice packs..........Rite Aid whistle

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#1443932 --- 04/09/14 01:48 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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#1443933 --- 04/09/14 01:50 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: kyle585]
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I think everyone should be of mixed race.


I think that eventually, most everyone will be, which would make life easier for everyone. Right now, one of the biggest impediments to a white marrying a black is the difficulty of a white finding a black who doesn't hate him/her, based on race (and vice versa, of course). It does happen, though, and things are changing, as they have been for centuries, as the pace and ease of world travel and trade has increased, and races and cultures have become less isolated and more mixed.

Progress is just a little hard for some to recognize, from their limited perspective of a mere 3 score and 10, but history is not at an end, and change is the only constant. The world speeds up, and so does progress.

Kyle, I'm persuaded that Zheng did not discover N. America, despite the theory put forth in the book 1421. He certainly had the technology to do so, but if he had, it would not have been a communist invasion. Communism is a much newer disease, which has about run its course, as I think socialism has. Both hold humanity back.

http://www1.american.edu/ted/icecases/maps/korea-map.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He
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#1443934 --- 04/09/14 02:03 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: VM Smith]
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I think everyone should be of mixed race.

I think that eventually, most everyone will be, which would make life easier for everyone. Right now, one of the biggest impediments to a white marrying a black is the difficulty of a white finding a black who doesn't hate him/her, based on race (and vice versa, of course). It does happen, though, and things are changing, as they have been for centuries, as the pace and ease of world travel and trade has increased, and races and cultures have become less isolated and more mixed.

Progress is just a little hard for some to recognize, from their limited perspective of a mere 3 score and 10, but history is not at an end, and change is the only constant. The world speeds up, and so does progress.

Unless you know something about biology that the rest of the wold scientific community doesn't, then everybody already is.

Geneticist have concluded definitively that all of human kind has descended from just two "proto-matriarchs" One that originated in what is now Mongolia and the other in Sub-Saharan Africa.
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#1443936 --- 04/09/14 02:10 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Kyle, I've always consider us to have an amicable relationship here on the forum, I choose to keep it that way, so I bid you adieu but I have a question before leaving......if we had a country primarily possessing individuals having your personal beliefs, would my dream of a equally balanced nation be a reality today?
You bid me adieu and then you make several comments in a matter of a few hours when I am gone? Strange.

If everyone believed as I do, certainly we would have a equally balanced nation because I believe the same laws should apply to everyone.
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#1443937 --- 04/09/14 02:12 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
I would like to think that Kyle pays his full share by refusing to take the STAR exemption

http://www.tax.ny.gov/pit/property/assess/local/asmt45.htm
The tax law specifies out who is qualified to receive a Star exemption. If the Indians paid their taxes they would qualify for it too! Wow.
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#1443938 --- 04/09/14 02:14 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Formermac
Kyle, I've always consider us to have an amicable relationship here on the forum, I choose to keep it that way, so I bid you adieu but I have a question before leaving......if we had a country primarily possessing individuals having your personal beliefs, would my dream of a equally balanced nation be a reality today?
You bid me adieu and then you make several comments in a matter of a few hours when I am gone? Strange.

If everyone believed as I do, certainly we would have a equally balanced nation because I believe the same laws should apply to everyone.

Unless the laws have been and still are unfair, illegal or in violation of the original agreements, as they undeniably are.
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#1443939 --- 04/09/14 02:19 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Formermac
Are you implying that it will always be encumbered on the complainant's behalf to sue or beg for facilitation of those rights versus having them at time offered to them on a volunteer basis?
No of course not. What rights are currently being denied to people in the USA based on their race, creed, color, or national origin?
Apparently you don't go on job interviews with dark skin. Or experience the phenomenon of "driving while black", or earn on average 3/4 of what men do (especially white men).

And don't come back with with some ridiculous reply like "those aren't examples of rights". They are precise examples of systematic institutional and social discrimination. The end result is no different.
Apparently he has never met a women that is more educated or skilled than many men but must settle for the same pay you've mentioned, 3/4 of what her White male counter part expects and nothing less.
No I haven't. As far as I know female school teachers make the same as male school teachers doing the same job. In the computer field, females makes the same pay as males. And on and on. Any thing else is illegal. The head of General Motors is now a woman who makes millions. I chuckle when I see the stat that women only make 3/4 of what a man makes. There are reasons for that. One is that women tend to have less education than a man thus limiting their ability to move up to higher paying jobs. Another is that women often drop out of the labor force for a few years when their children are young. Then they often must start at a lower salary to work their way up again in the corporate world. That is not discrimination but just the way the world works. They often spend less years in the labor force than a man.


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#1443941 --- 04/09/14 02:21 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Formermac
Kyle, I've always consider us to have an amicable relationship here on the forum, I choose to keep it that way, so I bid you adieu but I have a question before leaving......if we had a country primarily possessing individuals having your personal beliefs, would my dream of a equally balanced nation be a reality today?
You bid me adieu and then you make several comments in a matter of a few hours when I am gone? Strange.

If everyone believed as I do, certainly we would have a equally balanced nation because I believe the same laws should apply to everyone.
Unless the laws have been and still are unfair, illegal or in violation of the original agreements, as they undeniably are.
Tell me what laws are unfair or illegal.
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#1443942 --- 04/09/14 02:29 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
I'm so glad that our founding fathers had the foresight to anticipate these problems and set aside amendments to be readily place in our Constitution when appropriate.
I am very glad for that also. The USA is not perfect but I think we have made great strides in the last 150 years to try and give everyone equal rights. VM mentioned the Chinese potentially getting to America before the white Europeans. If the Native Americans were living under Communist Chinese rule they would certainly have none of the rights guaranteed to them in the US constitution.
That's an utterly irrelevant analogy. One set of events actually happened, the other, did NOT.

Stick to history and the facts.
You can't perceive of analogies, only facts? What limited mental facilities you must have!
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#1443943 --- 04/09/14 02:33 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: kyle585]
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As far as I know female school teachers make the same as male school teachers doing the same job. In the computer field, females makes the same pay as males. And on and on. Any thing else is illegal. The head of General Motors is now a woman who makes millions. I chuckle when I see the stat that women only make 3/4 of what a man makes. There are reasons for that. One is that women tend to have less education than a man. Another is that women often drop out of the labor force for a few years when their children are young. Then they often must start at a lower salary to work their way up again in the corporate world. That is not discrimination but just the way the world works.

No. Not Even CLOSE.

http://www.iwpr.org/publications/pubs/th...-ethnicity-2013
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/04/08/3424043/gender-wage-gap-myth/
http://www.iwpr.org/initiatives/pay-equity-and-discrimination
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/l...-by-occupation/






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#1443944 --- 04/09/14 02:34 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Apparently you don't go on many job interviews with dark skin.
No of course not. I am 100% white. Sometimes nonwhites brings up discrimination complaints if a white person is selected over them. Sometimes a white person brings up a discrimination complaint if they think a less qualified non white is selected just to fill a quota. These events will always happen until we are completely color blind.
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#1443945 --- 04/09/14 02:36 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Formermac
Kyle, I've always consider us to have an amicable relationship here on the forum, I choose to keep it that way, so I bid you adieu but I have a question before leaving......if we had a country primarily possessing individuals having your personal beliefs, would my dream of a equally balanced nation be a reality today?
You bid me adieu and then you make several comments in a matter of a few hours when I am gone? Strange.

If everyone believed as I do, certainly we would have a equally balanced nation because I believe the same laws should apply to everyone.
Unless the laws have been and still are unfair, illegal or in violation of the original agreements, as they undeniably are.
Tell me what laws are unfair or illegal.

Any that were a result of force, coercion or intimidation. In other words, everything that originated from the laws established by white man.
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