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#1443946 --- 04/09/14 02:36 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Formermac
Kyle, I've always consider us to have an amicable relationship here on the forum, I choose to keep it that way, so I bid you adieu but I have a question before leaving......if we had a country primarily possessing individuals having your personal beliefs, would my dream of a equally balanced nation be a reality today?
You bid me adieu and then you make several comments in a matter of a few hours when I am gone? Strange.

If everyone believed as I do, certainly we would have a equally balanced nation because I believe the same laws should apply to everyone.

Unless the laws have been and still are unfair, illegal or in violation of the original agreements, as they undeniably are.


Somehow Kyle fails to understand the concept that I chose not to talk directly or personally to him being that time is being wasted on individuals knowing the answer before the hearing the question. Also a dialogue between individuals must sometime involve listening, comprehending and lastly commenting maybe with added enlightenment with the benefit of not always agreeing but at least seeing things from another standpoint. It obvious that a mind possessing pre conceived ideal with little indication of seeing thing no other way but their own, necessitates speaking to one that has the ability to think outside a narrowed box. laugh
BTW, tell him I make no apologies for speaking without the benefit of his presence, due to the fact that seems to be a constant & reoccurring practice here on the forum amongst most posters. shocked

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#1443947 --- 04/09/14 02:39 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Apparently you don't go on many job interviews with dark skin. Or experience the phenomenon of "driving while black",
It seems like there are more and more black officers which is great. A few years ago, a group of blacks in Rochester were saying there should be more black police officers on the force. At that time, both the police chief and the mayor were black! Who were they going to complain to?
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#1443948 --- 04/09/14 02:40 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Apparently you don't go on many job interviews with dark skin.
No of course not. I am 100% white. Sometimes nonwhites brings up discrimination complaints if a white person is selected over them. Sometimes a white person brings up a discrimination complaint if they think a less qualified non white is selected just to fill a quota. These events will always happen until we are completely color blind.

There is no such thing as 100% white. As I've repeatedly told you, "racial" purity is a biological impossibility and the term "white" is scientifically meaningless.
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#1443949 --- 04/09/14 02:43 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Formermac
Kyle, I've always consider us to have an amicable relationship here on the forum, I choose to keep it that way, so I bid you adieu but I have a question before leaving......if we had a country primarily possessing individuals having your personal beliefs, would my dream of a equally balanced nation be a reality today?
You bid me adieu and then you make several comments in a matter of a few hours when I am gone? Strange. If everyone believed as I do, certainly we would have a equally balanced nation because I believe the same laws should apply to everyone.
Unless the laws have been and still are unfair, illegal or in violation of the original agreements, as they undeniably are.
Tell me what laws are unfair or illegal.
Any that were a result of force, coercion or intimidation. In other words, everything that originated from the laws established by white man.
As you often say on here, specifics please. Any law established by a white man is bad? Wow
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#1443951 --- 04/09/14 02:45 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Apparently you don't go on many job interviews with dark skin.
No of course not. I am 100% white. Sometimes nonwhites brings up discrimination complaints if a white person is selected over them. Sometimes a white person brings up a discrimination complaint if they think a less qualified non white is selected just to fill a quota. These events will always happen until we are completely color blind.
There is no such thing as 100% white. As I've repeatedly told you, "racial" purity is a biological impossibility and the term "white" is scientifically meaningless.
??? Wow if that is the case, doesn't that make it impossible to discriminate against anyone? It makes me wonder what percent nonwhite I am!


Edited by kyle585 (04/09/14 02:54 PM)
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#1443953 --- 04/09/14 02:46 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Apparently you don't go on many job interviews with dark skin. Or experience the phenomenon of "driving while black",
It seems like there are more and more black officers which is great. A few years ago, a group of blacks in Rochester were saying there should be more black police officers on the force. At that time, both the police chief and the mayor were black! Who were they going to complain to?

Unfortunately, the culture of racial profiling is still highly endemic in most all police forces. Ask most any black officer that happens to serve on one.
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#1443954 --- 04/09/14 02:47 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
BTW, tell him I make no apologies for speaking without the benefit of his presence, due to the fact that seems to be a constant & reoccurring practice here on the forum amongst most posters. shocked
You said you were bidding me adieu! I never expected to hear from you on this topic again. That is my only surprise.
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#1443955 --- 04/09/14 02:48 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Apparently you don't go on many job interviews with dark skin. Or experience the phenomenon of "driving while black",
It seems like there are more and more black officers which is great. A few years ago, a group of blacks in Rochester were saying there should be more black police officers on the force. At that time, both the police chief and the mayor were black! Who were they going to complain to?
Unfortunately, the culture of racial profiling is still highly endemic in most all police forces. Ask almost any black officer that happens to serve on one.
I suspect you are right. I think only time will eliminate this problem.
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#1443956 --- 04/09/14 02:51 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: bluezone]
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What substance has cause that outburst of nonsense. Famous? no, more cultured than yourself? Apparently


Maybe my Tea drinking habits?
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#1443957 --- 04/09/14 02:52 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Somehow Kyle fails to understand the concept that I chose to talk directly or personally to him being that time is being wasted on individuals knowing the answer before the hearing the question. Also a dialogue between individuals must sometime involve listening, comprehending and lastly commenting maybe with added enlightenment with the benefit of not always agreeing but at least seeing things from another standpoint. It obvious that a mind possessing pre conceived ideal with little indication of seeing thing no other way but their own, necessitates speaking to one that has the ability to think outside a narrowed box.
I feel I have an open mind. It is your preconceived notion that I do not.
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#1443960 --- 04/09/14 02:59 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Formermac
Kyle, I've always consider us to have an amicable relationship here on the forum, I choose to keep it that way, so I bid you adieu but I have a question before leaving......if we had a country primarily possessing individuals having your personal beliefs, would my dream of a equally balanced nation be a reality today?
You bid me adieu and then you make several comments in a matter of a few hours when I am gone? Strange. If everyone believed as I do, certainly we would have a equally balanced nation because I believe the same laws should apply to everyone.
Unless the laws have been and still are unfair, illegal or in violation of the original agreements, as they undeniably are.
Tell me what laws are unfair or illegal.
Any that were a result of force, coercion or intimidation. In other words, everything that originated from the laws established by white man.
As you often say on here, specifics please. Any law established by a white man is bad? Wow

I didn't say that "all laws established by a white man are bad", did I?

I'm saying that... as it applies to treaties and the laws established therein, virtually all are a direct result of coercion, intimidation, threats of harm or death and regardless of past Indian "ignorance", they acted in most every case, in good faith and historically, white man did not, thereby violating the spirit of the agreements or by establishing laws which do NOT meet the British Principles of Contractual Jurisprudence that our very legal system is based upon.

It's a simple concept, really. If one or more party knowingly screws over another, the contract is void. If a law is established through coercion, etc., the law is illegal or unenforceable. And as a result, all current laws and treaties between the US and Native Americans are simply built upon a foundation of either illegal or unenforceable laws. Taxes being just one example.

Even if I believed that the Indians owe any allegiance to White man's laws (and I don't)...

1) The Indians know that they have to "game" the system if they ever want to regain their full and rightful sovereignty.
2) You cannot claim to be for "racial equality under the law" when the law has all along been used to inflict barbaric suffering upon the entire original ethnic population of this continent.
3) White man crapped in this bed, now he must lie in it.
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#1443961 --- 04/09/14 03:12 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
I'm saying that... as it applies to treaties and the laws established therein, virtually all are a direct result of coercion, intimidation, threats of harm or death and regardless of past Indian "ignorance", they acted in most every case, in good faith and historically, white man did not, thereby violating the spirit of the agreements or by establishing laws which do NOT meet the British Principles of Contractual Jurisprudence that our very legal system is based upon.

It's a simple concept, really. If one or more party knowingly screws over another, the contract is void. If a law is established through coercion, etc., the law is illegal or unenforceable. And as a result, all current laws and treaties between the US and Native Americans are simply built upon a foundation of either illegal or unenforceable laws. Taxes being just one example.
All current laws and treaties between the US and Native Americans? Wow. So in your opinion what do we now do at this point in time to correct the situation? What do you propose on taxes?


Edited by kyle585 (04/09/14 03:13 PM)
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#1443962 --- 04/09/14 03:17 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
I'm saying that... as it applies to treaties and the laws established therein, virtually all are a direct result of coercion, intimidation, threats of harm or death and regardless of past Indian "ignorance", they acted in most every case, in good faith and historically, white man did not, thereby violating the spirit of the agreements or by establishing laws which do NOT meet the British Principles of Contractual Jurisprudence that our very legal system is based upon.

It's a simple concept, really. If one or more party knowingly screws over another, the contract is void. If a law is established through coercion, etc., the law is illegal or unenforceable. And as a result, all current laws and treaties between the US and Native Americans are simply built upon a foundation of either illegal or unenforceable laws. Taxes being just one example.
All current laws and treaties between the US and Native Americans? Wow. So in your opinion what do we now do at this point in time to correct the situation? What do you propose on taxes?

Unfamiliar with the word "virtually", are you?
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#1443963 --- 04/09/14 03:28 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Somehow Kyle fails to understand the concept that I chose to talk directly or personally to him being that time is being wasted on individuals knowing the answer before the hearing the question. Also a dialogue between individuals must sometime involve listening, comprehending and lastly commenting maybe with added enlightenment with the benefit of not always agreeing but at least seeing things from another standpoint. It obvious that a mind possessing pre conceived ideal with little indication of seeing thing no other way but their own, necessitates speaking to one that has the ability to think outside a narrowed box. laugh
BTW, tell him I make no apologies for speaking without the benefit of his presence, due to the fact that seems to be a constant & reoccurring practice here on the forum amongst most posters. shocked

Ooooh... He's not gonna be happy with that. Maybe you should get him to "sign-off" on it, before you do anything rash? grin grin grin
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#1443964 --- 04/09/14 05:01 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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My house is on a residential street in Seneca County I pay taxes for the privilege of using the streets, plowing, police, firefighters, water, sewer, schools etc., a Native American moves in next door to me enjoying the same privilages and pays no taxes and you think this is fair?

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#1443965 --- 04/09/14 05:16 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: tubby]
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Originally Posted By: tubby
My house is on a residential street in Seneca County I pay taxes for the privilege of using the streets, plowing, police, firefighters, water, sewer, schools etc., a Native American moves in next door to me enjoying the same privilages and pays no taxes and you think this is fair?


Before working yourself into a lather, please give some clarification on how property is taxed in regard to a private individual of Indian decent versus a business such as a casino or gas station/smoke shop.


http://www.tax.ny.gov/pit/property/assess/local/asmt45.htm

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#1443968 --- 04/09/14 06:21 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Formermac]
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What are you talking about, Indians are buying large amounts of property in Seneca County and paying no property taxes on them.

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#1443969 --- 04/09/14 06:25 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: tubby]
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Originally Posted By: tubby
What are you talking about, Indians are buying large amounts of property in Seneca County and paying no property taxes on them.


Again, you've failed to answer the question, Tell me about individual (singular) which I stated in my first post, not corporate or group purchases which was also mentioned in first post. No we're not talking about a individual making a corporate purchase. We're talking one person purchasing a house/resident for personal/private use.


First post:
a private individual of Indian decent versus a business such as a casino or gas station/smoke shop.






Originally Posted By: tubby

My house is on a residential street in Seneca County I pay taxes for the privilege of using the streets, plowing, police, firefighters, water, sewer, schools etc., a Native American moves in next door to me enjoying the same privileges and pays no taxes and you think this is fair?



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#1443974 --- 04/09/14 06:57 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Formermac]
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An individual Indian buys the house next door to me and pays NO taxes.

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#1443975 --- 04/09/14 07:02 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: tubby]
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Originally Posted By: tubby
An individual Indian buys the house next door to me and pays NO taxes.


You care to confirm that instead of us just taking your flapping gums as fact. I even offered you a tool (the link) to ascertain or look up your supposition.

lets try it again

http://www.tax.ny.gov/pit/property/assess/local/asmt45.htm

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