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#1443033 --- 04/03/14 12:52 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
There would seem to be several advantages to NY's method of funding infrastructure and services. whistle


oh you sure are a giggle...
is that why the 'tribes' do not pay their fair share?
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#1443059 --- 04/03/14 02:39 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
https://www.cancer.org/myacs/eastern/areahighlights/ny-tobacco-tax-evasion-fact-sheet

Cigarette tax evasion costs New York State at least $800 million in excise tax revenue annually. New York City, which has a $1.50 cent per pack excise tax, loses at least $100 million more. Statewide, localities lose as much as $175 million in sales tax revenue. State and New York City taxes are not paid on an estimated one-third of cigarettes smoked in New York. Reservation sales are not the only source of untaxed cigarettes, but they are by far the largest.

Higher prices reduce cigarette consumption and save lives. Ending untaxed sales from reservations will encourage at least 100,000 adult smokers to quit, saving 25,000 lives.



GOOD....to all your points!

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#1443074 --- 04/03/14 03:35 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: SportsRef1]
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Originally Posted By: SportsRef1
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Ending untaxed sales from reservations will encourage at least 100,000 adult smokers to quit, saving 25,000 lives.
GOOD....to all your points!
You agree with this point?
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#1443075 --- 04/03/14 03:59 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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(Correction)

TN Ranks Among the Highest in:
* Unemployment - 43rd
* Poverty Rate - 40th
* Infant Mortality Rate - 47th
* Obesity Rate - 44th
* Income Inequality - 42nd
* Violent Crime Rate - 50th 1st

TN Ranks Among the Lowest in:
* Wealth Per Capita - 40th
* % of High School Graduates - 42nd
* Life Expectancy - 44th
* Reported Well-Being - 47th
* Math Scores - 42nd
* Reading Scores - 35th
* % Employed in Science, Technology, Engineering & Mathematics jobs - 38th
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#1443081 --- 04/03/14 04:15 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: SportsRef1]
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Originally Posted By: SportsRef1
because a state has the highest taxes and expenditures does not make it #1 in lets say.....EDUCATION......the only thing NY ranks #1 in Timmy is it's oppresion of those left paying taxes....

NY Ranks:
* 1st in Education Input.
* 6th in Teacher Quality.
* 8th in Education Social Impact.

http://www.msubillings.edu/caer/quality_rankings_of_education_in.htm
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#1443091 --- 04/03/14 05:24 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: SportsRef1
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Ending untaxed sales from reservations will encourage at least 100,000 adult smokers to quit, saving 25,000 lives.
GOOD....to all your points!
You agree with this point?



I agree people should stop smoking(raising taxes does not do that,regardless of what progressive study you cite)......NY loosing so called tax revenue.....TOUGH.....the more you give them the more they will waste.....if you take all the cigerette tax money away what will the liberals in this state go after next?

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#1443093 --- 04/03/14 05:32 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: SportsRef1
because a state has the highest taxes and expenditures does not make it #1 in lets say.....EDUCATION......the only thing NY ranks #1 in Timmy is it's oppresion of those left paying taxes....

NY Ranks:
* 1st in Education Input.
* 6th in Teacher Quality.
* 8th in Education Social Impact.

http://www.msubillings.edu/caer/quality_rankings_of_education_in.htm



you forgot

*Education Output -17-

*Education Efficiency -38-.......for an average of 14......not exactly 1st.


a pdf link from the NEA(National Education Association).....you'll notice NY sits pretty high in all the wrong categories.....#1 in most expenditures per student in education and #1 - #10 in taxes collected.....but remember it's about the kids!

http://www.nea.org/home/54597.htm

http://www.nea.org/assets/img/content/NEA_Rankings_And_Estimates-2013_(2).pdf

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#1443102 --- 04/03/14 06:09 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: SportsRef1]
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Originally Posted By: SportsRef1
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: SportsRef1
because a state has the highest taxes and expenditures does not make it #1 in lets say.....EDUCATION......the only thing NY ranks #1 in Timmy is it's oppresion of those left paying taxes....
NY Ranks:
* 1st in Education Input.
* 6th in Teacher Quality.
* 8th in Education Social Impact.

http://www.msubillings.edu/caer/quality_rankings_of_education_in.htm
you forgot
*Education Output -17-
*Education Efficiency -38-.......for an average of 14......not exactly 1st.

a pdf link from the NEA(National Education Association).....you'll notice NY sits pretty high in all the wrong categories.....#1 in most expenditures per student in education and #1 - #10 in taxes collected.....but remember it's about the kids!
http://www.nea.org/home/54597.htm
http://www.nea.org/assets/img/content/NEA_Rankings_And_Estimates-2013_(2).pdf

I forgot no such thing.

The critical point being... that in most all cases, you simply get what you pay for.

So, if you're truly serious about putting kids first, then paying what it takes to provide the best possible outcome, shouldn't even be an issue for you... SHOULD IT ?!!!
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#1443105 --- 04/03/14 06:36 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: SportsRef1]
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Originally Posted By: SportsRef1
I agree people should stop smoking (raising taxes does not do that,regardless of what progressive study you cite)......NY loosing so called tax revenue.....TOUGH.....the more you give them the more they will waste.....if you take all the cigerette tax money away what will the liberals in this state go after next?

Wanna Bet ? !

Raising Cigarette Taxes Reduces Smoking, ESPECIALLY Among Kids:

The cigarette companies have opposed tobacco tax increases by arguing that raising cigarette prices would not reduce adult or youth smoking. But the companies’ internal documents, disclosed in the tobacco lawsuits, show that they know very well that raising cigarette prices is one of the most effective ways to prevent and reduce smoking, especially among kids.

• Philip Morris: Of all the concerns, there is one - taxation - that alarms us the most. While marketing restrictions and public and passive smoking [restrictions] do depress volume, in our experience taxation depresses it much more severely. Our concern for taxation is, therefore, central to our thinking.

• Philip Morris: When the tax goes up, industry loses volume and profits as many smokers cut back.

• RJ Reynolds: If prices were 10% higher, 12-17 incidence [youth smoking] would be 11.9% lower.

• Philip Morris: It is clear that price has a pronounced effect on the smoking prevalence of teenagers, and that the goals of reducing teenage smoking and balancing the budget would both be served by increasing the Federal excise tax on cigarettes.

• Philip Morris: Jeffrey Harris of MIT calculated...that the 1982-83 round of price increases caused two million adults to quit smoking and prevented 600,000 teenagers from starting to smoke...We don’t need to have that happen again.

• Philip Morris: A high cigarette price, more than any other cigarette attribute, has the most dramatic impact on the share of the quitting population...price, not tar level, is the main driving force for quitting.
[For more on cigarette company documents and price/tax increases see the 2002 study in the Tobacco Control journal, “Tax, Price and Cigarette Smoking: Evidence from the Tobacco Documents.”]


The cigarette companies have even publicly admitted the effectiveness of tax increases to deter smoking in their required filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

• Philip Morris: Tax increases are expected to continue to have an adverse impact on sales of tobacco products by our tobacco subsidiaries, due to lower consumption levels... [10-Q Report, November 3, 2008]

• Lorillard Tobacco: We believe that increases in excise and similar taxes have had an adverse impact on sales of cigarettes. In addition, we believe that future increases, the extent of which cannot be predicted, could result in further volume declines for the cigarette industry, including Lorillard Tobacco... [10-Q Report, November 4, 2008]

• R.J. Reynolds: Together with manufacturers’ price increases in recent years and substantial increases in state and federal taxes on tobacco products, these developments have had and will likely continue to have an adverse effect on the sale of tobacco products. [10-Q Report, October 24, 2008] Or, as the Convenience Store News put it: “It's not a hard concept to grasp... as taxes on cigarettes goes up, sales of cigarettes go down.”

Economic Research Confirms That Cigarette Tax Increases Reduce Smoking. Numerous economic studies in peer-reviewed journals have documented that cigarette tax or price increases reduce both adult and underage smoking. The general consensus is that every 10 percent increase in the real price of cigarettes reduces overall cigarette consumption by approximately three to five percent, reduces the number of young-adult smokers by 3.5 percent, and reduces the number of kids who smoke by six or seven percent. Research studies have also found that:

• Cigarette price and tax increases work even more effectively to reduce smoking among males, Blacks, Hispanics, and lower-income smokers.

• A cigarette tax increase that raises prices by ten percent will reduce smoking among pregnant women by seven percent, preventing thousands of spontaneous abortions and still-born births, and saving tens of thousands of newborns from suffering from smoking-affected births and related health consequences.

• Higher taxes on smokeless tobacco reduce its use, particularly among young males; and increasing cigar prices through tax increases reduce adult and youth cigar smoking.

• Cigarette price increases not only reduce youth smoking but also reduce both the number of kids who smoke marijuana and the amount of marijuana consumed by continuing users.

• By reducing smoking levels, cigarette tax increases reduce secondhand smoke exposure among nonsmokers, especially children and pregnant women.


Recent State Experiences:

In every single state that has significantly raised its cigarette tax rate, pack sales have gone down sharply. While some of the decline in pack sales comes from interstate smuggling and from smokers going to other lower-tax states to buy their cigarette, reduced consumption from smokers quitting and cutting back plays a more powerful role. As shown in more detail, below, nationwide data – which counts both legal in-state purchases and the vast majority of packs purchased through cross-border, Internet, or smuggled sales – shows that overall packs sales go down as state cigarette tax increases push up the average national price.

In-state evidence shows that state cigarette tax increases are prompting many smokers to quit or cutback. For example, the Wisconsin Quit Line received a record-breaking 20,000 calls in the first two months after its $1.00 per cigarette pack increase (it typically receives 9,000 calls per year). Likewise, in Texas and Iowa, which each increased their cigarette taxes by $1.00 in 2007, the number of calls to the state quitlines have been much higher compared to the year before. It is also clear that these efforts to quit by smokers after tax increases translate directly into lower future smoking rates. In Washington State, for example, adult smoking from the year before its 60-cent cigarette tax increase in 2002 to the year afterwards declined from 22.6 to 19.7 percent, reducing the number of adult smokers in the state by more than 100,000, despite overall population increases.


Increasing U.S. Cigarette Prices and Declining Consumption:

Although there are many other factors involved, comparing the trends in cigarette prices and overall U.S. cigarette consumption from 1970 to 2007 shows that there is a strong correlation between increasing prices and decreasing consumption.



While U.S. cigarette prices are largely controlled by the cigarette companies’ price-setting decisions, from 1970 to 2006, the federal tax on cigarettes also increased from eight cents to 39 cents per pack and the average state cigarette tax increased from 10 cents to $1.07 per pack during that time period. Without these federal and state tax increases, U.S. cigarette prices would be much lower and U.S. smoking levels would be much higher.

Prices and Youth Smoking Rates. The chart below shows how closely youth smoking prevalence is to cigarette pack prices. As prices climbed in the late 1990s and early 2000s, youth smoking rates declined, but as the price decreased between 2003 and 2005 (along with funding for tobacco prevention programs in many states), youth rates increased. Even the slight increase in price between 2005 and 2007 corresponds with a decline in youth smoking rates.

Researchers found that the 61.66-cent federal cigarette tax rate increase on April 1, 2009 had a substantial and immediate impact on youth smoking. The percentage of students who reported smoking in the past 30 days dropped between 9.7 percent and 13.3 percent immediately following the tax increase, resulting in an estimated 220,000 and 287,000 fewer current smokers among middle and high school students in May 2009.



Expert Conclusions on Cigarette Prices and Smoking Levels:

• In its 2007 report, Ending the Tobacco Problem: A Blueprint for the Nation, the National Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Medicine recommends raising cigarette taxes in states with low rates and indexing them to inflation, to reduce cigarette consumption and to provide money for tobacco control. The report states, “Tobacco excise tax revenues pose a potential funding stream for state tobacco control programs. Setting aside about one-third of the per-capita proceeds from tobacco excise taxes would help states fund programs at the level suggested by CDC.”

• The President’s Cancer Panel’s 2007 report, Promoting Healthy Lifestyles, advised increasing state tobacco taxes, stating, “Increases in tobacco excise taxes, which are passed along to consumers in the form of higher tobacco product prices, have proven highly effective in reducing tobacco use by promoting cessation among current users, discouraging relapse among former users, preventing initiation among potential users, and reducing consumption among those who continue to use tobacco. These revenues also provide crucial dollars needed to fund anti-tobacco efforts.”

• The 2000 U.S. Surgeon General’s Report, Reducing Tobacco Use, found that raising tobacco-product prices decreases the prevalence of tobacco use, particularly among kids and young adults, and that tobacco tax increases produce “substantial long-term improvements in health.” From its review of existing research, the report concluded that raising tobacco taxes is one of the most effective tobacco prevention and control strategies.

• Wall Street tobacco industry analysts have long recognized the powerful role increased cigarette taxes and rising cigarette prices play in reducing U.S. smoking levels. For example, a December 1998 “Sensitivity Analysis on Cigarette Price Elasticity” by Credit Suisse First Boston Corporation settled on a “conservative” estimate that cigarette consumption will decline by four percent for every 10 percent increase in price.

• In its 1998 report, Taking Action to Reduce Tobacco Use, the National Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Medicine concluded that “the single most direct and reliable method for reducing consumption is to increase the price of tobacco products, thus encouraging the cessation and reducing the level of initiation of tobacco use.”

https://www.tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0146.pdf
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#1443121 --- 04/03/14 09:00 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Exactly. See you in June.

A fitting bromance. Congrats guys. grin
Just like you and Timblo.

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#1443123 --- 04/03/14 09:03 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Poor Timbo will never understand.

I understand this:

* Tennessee ranks consistently in the bottom 10 states academically.

* Less than one third of TN residents have even a two year degree.

* Tennessee ranks 46th in the nation for education spending.

* TN has the highest violent crime rate.

* TN health rankings come in at No. 42 among the 50 states.

* TN has some of the highest taxes in the country for families living in poverty.

* Ranks #2 for number of meth lab busts.

* Ranks among top ten most obese states.

* 38% of TN roads are in poor to mediocre condition.

* TN jobless benefits rank among the lowest in the nation.

TN Ranks Among the Highest in:
* Unemployment - 43rd
* Poverty Rate - 40th
* Infant Mortality Rate - 47th
* Obesity Rate - 44th
* Income Inequality - 42nd
* Violent Crime Rate - 50th

TN Ranks Among the Lowest in:
* Wealth Per Capita - 40th
* % of High School Graduates - 42nd
* Life Expectancy - 44th
* Reported Well-Being - 47th
* Math Scores - 42nd
* Reading Scores - 35th
* % Employed in Science, Technology, Engineering & Mathematics jobs - 38th

http://blogs.knoxnews.com/humphrey/2011/11/tn-drops-in-education-report-c.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/20...n-t-one-of-them
http://educationnext.org/despite-common-core-states-still-lack-common-standards/
http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/blog/2013/12/tennessees-health-rankings-low.html
http://itep.org/itep_reports/2013/09/ten...hp#.Uzzap16WT8t
http://www.wbir.com/story/news/crime/2013/12/03/tn-meth-numbers-improving/3862639/
http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/tennessee/tennessee-overview/
http://www.wate.com/story/24909277/tennessee-ranks-amount-top-ten-most-obese-states-again
http://www.tennessean.com/article/201305...g-lowest-nation
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/02/23/most-miserable-states/5729305/
http://clarksvillenow.com/local/well-being-poll-ranks-tennessee-near-the-bottom/
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2...ml#.Uzzb8V6WT8t


There would seem to be several advantages to NY's method of funding infrastructure and services. whistle What do all your google searches have to do with Tennessee being a better place to retire than New York ?






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#1443130 --- 04/03/14 10:52 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: tubby]
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Originally Posted By: tubby
What do all your google searches have to do with Tennessee being a better place to retire than New York ?

It has everything to with Rich's wholesale indictment of virtually all things Albany.

Most importantly, it shows that in the case of taxes, you usually get what you pay for... contrary to common innuendo and outright assertions.
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#1443166 --- 04/04/14 05:45 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Jobless benefits being among the lowest in the nation is why welfare immigrate to NY. Keep paying those taxes.

Academically, http://educationnext.org/despite-common-core-states-still-lack-common-standards/
Did you read the link?
TN ranks number 2 with an A in proficiency standards. NY is number 10 with an average C.

two year degree. Got mine.

education spending. Which is why my cumulative combined taxes are 13% of what they were.

TN has the highest violent crime rate. Did not see where you posted any related link so I did my own search.
http://archive.tennessean.com/article/20131008/NEWS03/310080033/Tennessee-leads-nation-violent-crime
Only Washington, D.C., had a higher violent crime rate, according to the report. And DC has a gun ban so it is a really good thing we have guns to defend ourselves. The FBI annually warns against making such comparisons because they don't take into account multiple variables like demographics, economics, employment and education.
Actually that was one criteria I checked before moving. All stats can be found on any city using http://www.citidata.com I would check your city but not sure which reservation you live on.

http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/blog/2013/12/tennessees-health-rankings-low.html
health rankings come in at No. 42 among the 50 states. About the only thing in that article that gives an indication is the mention of a high rate of smokers. Maybe that is how they determined the rankings. NO data given.

http://itep.org/itep_reports/2013/09/ten...hp#.Uz40bXlOVJy
some of the highest taxes. Did you even read what you linked? New data from the Census Bureau appear to lend support to Tennessee’s reputation as a "low tax state," ranking it 49th nationally in taxes collected as a share of personal income. HINT: that means second from the lowest.

#2 for number of meth lab busts. Let that be a warning, we do not want your meth lab here.

http://www.wate.com/story/24909277/tennessee-ranks-amount-top-ten-most-obese-states-again
Ranks among top ten most obese states. Guess everyone is eating well.

http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/tennessee/tennessee-overview/
38% of TN roads are in poor to mediocre condition. But every one I have driven on is 100% better condition than anywhere in NY. Must be they have higher standards here.

TN jobless benefits rank among the lowest in the nation. We tell them to go to NY.

It must have really irked you to lose such a simple discussion regarding taxes to do several Google searches on Tennessee in a futile attempt to not look like such a fool.

It did not work.

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#1443167 --- 04/04/14 07:09 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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WOW! Where to Start ? ? ?

Jobless benefits being among the lowest in the nation is why welfare immigrate to NY.

Got any evidence to back up your baseless assumptions?


Academically, http://educationnext.org/despite-common-core-states-still-lack-common-standards/
Did you read the link?
TN ranks number 2 with an A in proficiency standards. NY is number 10 with an average C.

Yes, but apparently you didn't understand what you were reading. Those are STATE figures, NOT Federal. BIG Difference.

From the comments section: “As mentioned, receiving an A does not indicate that a high percentage of students in a state are proficient. It only means that high expectations have been set. Although Tennessee and Missouri established the same expectations as Massachusetts, somewhere between 10 percent and 25 percent fewer students in the “Volunteer” and “Show Me” states reached the proficiency level, the exact percentage varying with the subject and grade level being tested. Yet all three states deserve an A for telling the plain truth about their performance levels. In other words, Missouri has earned its moniker, despite its relatively low level of student performance.” This statement should be carefully evaluated. Telling the truth should be standard, not rewarded with an “A”. This research is based on a SURVEY not academic standards. How many of the proficient students, according to their state standards, took the national tests, and what were they? No answers here.

Try this:
http://www.alec.org/publications/report-card-on-american-education/
By Grades/Scores: http://www.edweek.org/ew/qc/2013/state_report_cards.html?intc=EW-QC13-LFTNAV


two year degree. Got mine.

Not in Tennessee, you didn't. grin


education spending. Which is why my cumulative combined taxes are 13% of what they were.

I highly doubt that. But there's no doubt that Tennessee's abysmal education rankings are at least partially the product of the extremely anemic state funding for education.


TN has the highest violent crime rate. Did not see where you posted any related link so I did my own search.
http://archive.tennessean.com/article/20131008/NEWS03/310080033/Tennessee-leads-nation-violent-crime
Only Washington, D.C., had a higher violent crime rate, according to the report. And DC has a gun ban so it is a really good thing we have guns to defend ourselves. The FBI annually warns against making such comparisons because they don't take into account multiple variables like demographics, economics, employment and education.
Actually that was one criteria I checked before moving. All stats can be found on any city using http://www.citidata.com I would check your city but not sure which reservation you live on.

OK, Einstein... when did DC become a state? ? ? crazy
Maybe you DID get your education in Tennessee, after all! grin
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/most-dangerous-states_n_4050398.html


http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/blog/2013/12/tennessees-health-rankings-low.html
health rankings come in at No. 42 among the 50 states. About the only thing in that article that gives an indication is the mention of a high rate of smokers. Maybe that is how they determined the rankings. NO data given.
http://itep.org/itep_reports/2013/09/ten...hp#.Uz40bXlOVJy

Try this on for size: http://www.americashealthrankings.org/tn


some of the highest taxes. Did you even read what you linked? New data from the Census Bureau appear to lend support to Tennessee’s reputation as a "low tax state," ranking it 49th nationally in taxes collected as a share of personal income. HINT: that means second from the lowest.

I certainly did. Apparently, you however, didn't read what I wrote. Try again. This time, sound out the words, if that'll help.


#2 for number of meth lab busts. Let that be a warning, we do not want your meth lab here.

Try again. NY's not anywhere NEAR the rate of meth lab busts as TN: http://www.kshb.com/news/national/the-10-states-with-the-most-meth-lab-busts


http://www.wate.com/story/24909277/tennessee-ranks-amount-top-ten-most-obese-states-again
Ranks among top ten most obese states. Guess everyone is eating well.

Actually, it's quite the opposite. In fact, it's mostly due to all the other well known failings of Tennessee... Poverty, Grocery Access and Lousy State Education: http://archive.tennessean.com/article/20...-obesity-report


http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/tennessee/tennessee-overview/
38% of TN roads are in poor to mediocre condition. But every one I have driven on is 100% better condition than anywhere in NY. Must be they have higher standards here.

Oh, well, in THAT case... Nothing like anecdotal evidence to conclude matters. Any way you look at it, TN is still rated at half that of NY's 18%. crazy


TN jobless benefits rank among the lowest in the nation. We tell them to go to NY.

It's not your problem, right? Sounds like you'll fit right in.


It must have really irked you to lose such a simple discussion regarding taxes to do several Google searches on Tennessee in a futile attempt to not look like such a fool.

The only fool in this case, is one who attempts to make such infantile suggestions, that tax rates are a solely defining issue, as you have clearly been undertaking up to this point.

The irony here, is that you left NY State, at least in part, due to an allegedly high tax burden that you rail against as excessive, only to move to a state that receives a far higher level of Federal aid when compared to it's output, than the vast majority of other states... ESPECIALLY when compared to New York State. It would appear that tax burdens are only excessive when they YOU have to pay them.

Ultimately, the takeaway here, seems to be that in spite of all the obvious deficiencies that your new state of residence seems to embody, you still apparently have an endless supply of Schadenfreude to share with your less fortunate state brethren.

How very sad for you.
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#1443172 --- 04/04/14 09:40 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: bluezone]
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"So, if you're truly serious about putting kids first, then paying what it takes to provide the best possible outcome, shouldn't even be an issue for you... SHOULD IT ?!!!"


we already pay the most(and aren't getting our monies worth).....maybe putting kids first should be the new motto of the teachers and it's taxpayer bankrupting union(s).

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#1443202 --- 04/04/14 03:22 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Most importantly, it shows that in the case of taxes, you usually get what you pay for... contrary to common innuendo and outright assertions.


so if a 'tribe' pays no taxes then what should they expect to receive?
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#1443204 --- 04/04/14 03:35 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: SportsRef1
I agree people should stop smoking (raising taxes does not do that,regardless of what progressive study you cite)......NY loosing so called tax revenue.....TOUGH.....the more you give them the more they will waste.....if you take all the cigerette tax money away what will the liberals in this state go after next?

Wanna Bet ? !

Raising Cigarette Taxes Reduces Smoking, ESPECIALLY Among Kids:

The cigarette companies have opposed tobacco tax increases by arguing that raising cigarette prices would not reduce adult or youth smoking. But the companies’ internal documents, disclosed in the tobacco lawsuits, show that they know very well that raising cigarette prices is one of the most effective ways to prevent and reduce smoking, especially among kids.


then should NYS close down the 'tribes' smoke shops?
it would help the kids
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#1443227 --- 04/04/14 05:03 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: SportsRef1]
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Originally Posted By: SportsRef1
"So, if you're truly serious about putting kids first, then paying what it takes to provide the best possible outcome, shouldn't even be an issue for you... SHOULD IT ?!!!"

we already pay the most(and aren't getting our monies worth).....maybe putting kids first should be the new motto of the teachers and it's taxpayer bankrupting union(s).

Explain.
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#1443230 --- 04/04/14 05:05 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo

Most importantly, it shows that in the case of taxes, you usually get what you pay for... contrary to common innuendo and outright assertions.

so if a 'tribe' pays no taxes then what should they expect to receive?

The right not to be taxed for that which was forcefully taken from them, that's what they should expect.
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#1443232 --- 04/04/14 05:21 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
https://www.cancer.org/myacs/eastern/areahighlights/ny-tobacco-tax-evasion-fact-sheet

Cigarette tax evasion costs New York State at least $800 million in excise tax revenue annually. New York City, which has a $1.50 cent per pack excise tax, loses at least $100 million more. Statewide, localities lose as much as $175 million in sales tax revenue. State and New York City taxes are not paid on an estimated one-third of cigarettes smoked in New York. Reservation sales are not the only source of untaxed cigarettes, but they are by far the largest.

Higher prices reduce cigarette consumption and save lives. Ending untaxed sales from reservations will encourage at least 100,000 adult smokers to quit, saving 25,000 lives.

Citations and data, please.
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