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#1442608 --- 03/31/14 07:41 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
Teonan Offline
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Ahh, the student has now become the master. <rolls eyes>

Kyle has evidently harnessed the learning power of osmosis. grin
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#1442610 --- 03/31/14 07:48 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: kyle585]
Teonan Offline
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: twocats
Location means little. The US wasn't always the US.
I don't know what your point is here? Do you think the US should give up some of its territory? I thought that was settled with the Civil War.


I think twocats might be pointing out an easily understood fact.

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#1442615 --- 03/31/14 08:13 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Teonan]
kyle585 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: twocats
Location means little. The US wasn't always the US.
I don't know what your point is here? Do you think the US should give up some of its territory? I thought that was settled with the Civil War.
I think twocats might be pointing out an easily understood fact.
That could be. Nothing is ever as it was or lasts forever. The history of mankind moves on. I have the feeling you and Timbo think you can turn back the clock 500 years. That is never going to happen.


Edited by kyle585 (03/31/14 08:13 PM)
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#1442624 --- 03/31/14 09:10 PM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: kyle585]
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Not turning back the clock, just trying not to take any more of what doesn't belong to the US to begin with.
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#1442647 --- 04/01/14 04:22 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: twocats]
kyle585 Offline
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Originally Posted By: twocats
Not turning back the clock, just trying not to take any more of what doesn't belong to the US to begin with.
In your opinion, what do you think we can do at this point in time to make amends to Native Americans for what was taken from them?
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#1442648 --- 04/01/14 04:31 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: twocats]
kyle585 Offline
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Originally Posted By: twocats
"We" have also made all Puerto Ricans citizens of the US yet they retain their sovereignty...along with several other US territories.
This report just happened to come out yesterday.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/p-r-statehood-more-funds-island-more-tax-revenues-u-n68146

A federal non-partisan report released Monday detailed some of the estimated changes in spending for some U.S. programs if Puerto Rico were to become the 51st state of the Union. Currently Puerto Rico is a commonwealth, or U.S. territory.

According to the report, if Puerto Rico were a state, spending on Medicare could increase from 4.5 billion to between $4.5 billion to $6.0 billion. On Medicaid, estimated federal spending could go from $685 million to between $1.1 billion to $2.1 billion. The SNAP or food stamp program could go from $1.9 billion to between $1.7 to $2.6 billion.

On individual income taxes, Puerto Rico taxpayers reported paying $20 million in 2010, primarily to the U.S. The GAO estimates if Puerto Rico had been a state, estimated individual income tax revenue from Puerto Rico to the U.S. would have ranged from $2.2 billion to $2.3 billion.

On corporate income taxes, federal taxes could go up from about $1.4 billion that was paid in 2009 to $5.0 to $9.3 billion. This number could fluctuate depending on whether companies stay put in the island after statehood or move some of their operations to foreign countries with lower taxes.

The GAO report drew very different responses from the island's two main political parties.

The GAO drew different responses from the two main political parties in the island.


Puerto Rico Governor Alejandro Garcia Padilla, who advocates the commonwealth status, statehood, said in a statement that the report shows statehood would be an "economic blow" to the island, saying the "enormous tax burden that Puerto Ricans would be forced to shoulder as a state would be incredibly damaging to our economy….Statehood is a losing proposition for both Puerto Rico and the U.S."

The island's Resident Commissioner in Washington, Pedro Pierluisi is pro-statehood, and he took a different view of the report, as he stated to The Hill, saying statehood will be "mutually beneficial for Puerto Rico and the U.S. and that "equal treatment" will improve quality of life for the people of Puerto Rico and strengthen the economy while the U.S. gets more tax revenue.

Puerto Rico recently issued $3.5 billion in bonds to raise money after its economy has seen a steep decline in the last few years following the recession.

The GAO concluded that there are a lot of variables when it comes to outcomes regarding Puerto Rico under statehood.

"Consequently, statehood's aggregate fiscal impact would be influenced greatly by the terms of admission, strategies to promote economic development, and decisions regarding Puerto Rico’s government revenue structure."
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#1442664 --- 04/01/14 08:57 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: twocats]
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Originally Posted By: twocats
Location means little. The US wasn't always the US.


when will you be moving back to YOUR homeland?

walk the walk...
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#1442665 --- 04/01/14 09:01 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Indians should pay back-taxes, once white man pays back-rent.



when you gonna open up your purse and compensate the 1+ million and their families?


Quote:
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#1442666 --- 04/01/14 09:06 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: twocats]
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Originally Posted By: twocats
"We" have also made all Puerto Ricans citizens of the US


you,timbo and teonan better open up your purses and compensate them
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#1442668 --- 04/01/14 09:16 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Indians should pay back-taxes, once white man pays back-rent.



'white man' is the british
correct?
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#1442669 --- 04/01/14 09:20 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Indians should pay back-taxes, once white man pays back-rent.



is 'indians' refering to the 'tribes' that sided with the USA or the 'tribes' that sided with the british?

when the constitution refers to 'indians' does that mean the 'tribes' that sided with the USA or the 'tribes' that sided with the british?
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#1442672 --- 04/01/14 09:28 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

There's no such thing as 100% indigenous. It's a meaningless term and a scientific impossibility.


then you must be saying that there are no true 'indians' and nothing is 'owed' anyone
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#1442679 --- 04/01/14 09:43 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
There's no such thing as 100% indigenous. It's a meaningless term and a scientific impossibility.
then you must be saying that there are no true 'indians' and nothing is 'owed' anyone
Bingo. Problem solved. Now all Americans are equal regardless of color, creed, or nonexistent race.
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#1442685 --- 04/01/14 10:05 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: kyle585]
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Do either of you two knuckleheads have the slightest clue how genetic biology works ? ? ?

Have you ever even attempted to learn anything about it?

If you two should one day, develop the curiosity to learn something about the natural world you live in, then you'll probably never again make such unmitigatingly benighted comments.
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#1442692 --- 04/01/14 10:19 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Do either of you two knuckleheads have the slightest clue how genetic biology works ? ? ?


do tell
we will get the popcorn ready...
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#1442694 --- 04/01/14 10:23 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: twocats
Not turning back the clock, just trying not to take any more of what doesn't belong to the US to begin with.
In your opinion, what do you think we can do at this point in time to make amends to Native Americans for what was taken from them?

Are you dense? TC just answered that question.

As always, you simply choose to ignore the answers that you don't like.
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#1442696 --- 04/01/14 10:26 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo

Do either of you two knuckleheads have the slightest clue how genetic biology works ? ? ?
do tell
we will get the popcorn ready...
Hold the popcorn. He never answers any questions. He throws out comments like that.
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#1442697 --- 04/01/14 10:28 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo

Do either of you two knuckleheads have the slightest clue how genetic biology works ? ? ?

do tell
we will get the popcorn ready...

Do your own homework... everyone else does.

Typical intellectually lazy white-bread American... you'll spend days arguing against that which you don't understand, just to avoid spending one hour actually learning something about it.
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#1442698 --- 04/01/14 10:28 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
kyle585 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: twocats
Not turning back the clock, just trying not to take any more of what doesn't belong to the US to begin with.
In your opinion, what do you think we can do at this point in time to make amends to Native Americans for what was taken from them?
Are you dense? TC just answered that question.

As always, you simply choose to ignore the answers that you don't like.
I must be dense. I have not seen her give an answer to that question. I could tell you what I think she believes but then I would be accused of putting words in her mouth as you often accuse me of doing so I will wait to hear from her.


Edited by kyle585 (04/01/14 10:40 AM)
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#1442701 --- 04/01/14 10:30 AM Re: Tribe not paying their fair share. [Re: Timbo]
kyle585 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo

Do either of you two knuckleheads have the slightest clue how genetic biology works ? ? ?
do tell
we will get the popcorn ready...

Do your own homework... everyone else does.
See what I mean bluezone. He never answers a question.
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