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#1445428 --- 04/22/14 01:18 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: tubby
Not all facts come from google searches, step out in the real world someday Timmy.
Let's hear in your own words, a little about this "real world" that you seem to consider yourself to be enlightened about. whistle
Timbo, in your own words, I want you to say that you do not want to see all of North and South America given back to the Native Americans. Or is that what you want? Tell us one way or the other.

"I Want..."

As I said above... "selfish greed".

I participate on these forums, on my terms, not on yours.
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#1445442 --- 04/22/14 03:42 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: tubby
Not all facts come from google searches, step out in the real world someday Timmy.
Let's hear in your own words, a little about this "real world" that you seem to consider yourself to be enlightened about. whistle
Timbo, in your own words, I want you to say that you do not want to see all of North and South America given back to the Native Americans. Or is that what you want? Tell us one way or the other.
"I Want..."

As I said above... "selfish greed".

I participate on these forums, on my terms, not on yours.
One more thing I want. I want you to stop chatting with me. It is impossible to debate/discuss a topic with someone who belittles your position but refuse to state his position. You are the most arrogant, egotistical "person" (and I use that term loosely) I have ever met on these forums.
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#1445467 --- 04/22/14 07:35 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: VM Smith]
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Replying to a waste of time and space is a waste of time and space. Anything that can argue that laws based on race are constitutional as long as they are not discriminatory cannot comprehend that laws based on race are discriminatory and unconstitutional. It just cannot insert enough qualifiers to make factoids out of lies. I am confident it will rant on repeating the same lies long after I ignore its childish ignorance.

When you are dead you do not know it. It is only difficult for others.

The same is true when you are stupid.

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#1445489 --- 04/23/14 05:42 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Anything that can argue that laws based on race are constitutional as long as they are not discriminatory cannot comprehend that laws based on race are discriminatory and unconstitutional.
Well said.
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#1445494 --- 04/23/14 07:00 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Replying to a waste of time and space is a waste of time and space. Anything that can argue that laws based on race are constitutional as long as they are not discriminatory cannot comprehend that laws based on race are discriminatory and unconstitutional. It just cannot insert enough qualifiers to make factoids out of lies. I am confident it will rant on repeating the same lies long after I ignore its childish ignorance.

When you are dead you do not know it. It is only difficult for others.

The same is true when you are stupid.

Stupid, as in, not having a clue that laws can most certainly be based on race. To suggest that these are somehow discriminatory in light of the discrimination that they serve to prevent, is simply an absurd argument of technicality. These laws, are in no way unconstitutional, except perhaps, to the minds of the truly childishly ignorant or utterly disingenuous.

Examples of such laws: The Voting Rights Act, Affirmative Action, the Emancipation Proclamation, the Slave Act of 1850 and many, many more.

Sonia Sotomayor Delivers Blistering Dissent Against Affirmative Action Ban:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/22/sonia-sotomayor-affirmative-action_n_5193984.html
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#1445495 --- 04/23/14 07:05 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Timbo, in your own words, I want you to say that you do not want to see all of North and South America given back to the Native Americans. Or is that what you want? Tell us one way or the other.
"I Want..."

As I said above... "selfish greed".

I participate on these forums, on my terms, not on yours.
One more thing I want. I want you to stop chatting with me.

It sucks to want, doesn't it?
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#1445496 --- 04/23/14 07:15 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Anything that can argue that laws based on race are constitutional as long as they are not discriminatory cannot comprehend that laws based on race are discriminatory and unconstitutional.
Well said.

But not particularly well thought-out.
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#1445498 --- 04/23/14 07:32 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Anything that can argue that laws based on race are constitutional as long as they are not discriminatory cannot comprehend that laws based on race are discriminatory and unconstitutional.
Well said.
But not particularly well thought-out.
But true nevertheless. Brown vs Board of Education should of settled this with the decision that separate cannot be equal.


Edited by kyle585 (04/23/14 07:34 AM)
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#1445499 --- 04/23/14 07:34 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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Abraham Lincoln and multiple Supreme Courts, would beg to differ.
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#1445507 --- 04/23/14 09:34 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Abraham Lincoln and multiple Supreme Courts, would beg to differ.
Your ignorance abounds. Sotamayor was in the dissent again this week with one other justice in a similar case. Clue for the clueless, DISSENT means SCOTUS ruled against your idiocy, hateful, spiteful, racist, immature, pompous, arrogant OPINION. Affirmative Action based on race is unconstitutional as is any other based on race law.

Your ignorant examples of rulings and laws which have been overturned does not reverse history. As Kyle explained Brown v. Board of Education and you replied with Abraham Lincoln and multiple Supreme Courts differ. No Bobo, Abe was not alive in 1954 and what you have never grasped is that any law or ruling supersedes all previous laws, rulings and treaty.

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#1445521 --- 04/23/14 12:47 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: Timbo

Abraham Lincoln and multiple Supreme Courts, would beg to differ.
Your ignorance abounds. Sotamayor was in the dissent again this week with one other justice in a similar case. Clue for the clueless, DISSENT means SCOTUS ruled against your idiocy, hateful, spiteful, racist, immature, pompous, arrogant OPINION. Affirmative Action based on race is unconstitutional as is any other based on race law.

Your ignorant examples of rulings and laws which have been overturned does not reverse history. As Kyle explained Brown v. Board of Education and you replied with Abraham Lincoln and multiple Supreme Courts differ. No Bobo, Abe was not alive in 1954 and what you have never grasped is that any law or ruling supersedes all previous laws, rulings and treaty.

A fact that leaves open ALL laws at any time, to be reinterpreted in the future. Sotamayor's dissent CLEARLY aligns with my position, as do the views of the others that concurred with her. As she clearly points out, the majority ruling in this decision, is fundamentally flawed and ignores the obvious intent.

Obviously, you believe that sometimes the courts get it wrong, otherwise you wouldn't be personally pursuing your own legal agendas, now would you?

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#1445530 --- 04/23/14 01:15 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Clue for the clueless, DISSENT means SCOTUS ruled against your idiocy, hateful, spiteful, racist, immature, pompous, arrogant OPINION...

Or, to paraphrase (vulgarities follow): grin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBt-nirXQDE
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#1445536 --- 04/23/14 01:55 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: Timbo

Abraham Lincoln and multiple Supreme Courts, would beg to differ.
Your ignorance abounds. Sotamayor was in the dissent again this week with one other justice in a similar case. Clue for the clueless, DISSENT means SCOTUS ruled against your idiocy, hateful, spiteful, racist, immature, pompous, arrogant OPINION. Affirmative Action based on race is unconstitutional as is any other based on race law.

Your ignorant examples of rulings and laws which have been overturned does not reverse history. As Kyle explained Brown v. Board of Education and you replied with Abraham Lincoln and multiple Supreme Courts differ. No Bobo, Abe was not alive in 1954 and what you have never grasped is that any law or ruling supersedes all previous laws, rulings and treaty.

A fact that leaves open ALL laws at any time, to be reinterpreted in the future. Sotamayor's dissent CLEARLY aligns with my position, as do the views of the others that concurred with her.
WOW, you finally learned SOMETHING and accepted that your alleged fact which you made a pompus ass of your self on was just your opinion and was WRONG. Whoo hoo your psychiatrist should be happy.

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#1445538 --- 04/23/14 02:14 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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#1445570 --- 04/23/14 10:52 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Replying to a waste of time and space is a waste of time and space. Anything that can argue that laws based on race are constitutional as long as they are not discriminatory cannot comprehend that laws based on race are discriminatory and unconstitutional. It just cannot insert enough qualifiers to make factoids out of lies. I am confident it will rant on repeating the same lies long after I ignore its childish ignorance.

When you are dead you do not know it. It is only difficult for others.

The same is true when you are stupid.


All true.


April 23, 2014
Justice Sotomayor and the affirmative action bitter-enders have lost bigtime
Thomas Lifson


The American public has woken up to the folly of trying to end racial discrimination by practicing it, dooming affirmative action to a slow death, and the racialist left is not taking the news very well. That is the only conclusion to draw from the extraordinary dissenting opinion yesterday by Justice Sonia Sotomayor in Schuette v BAMN, the case in which the Court upheld Michigan’s law outlawing racial preferences in state-funded higher education. Sotomayor took the unusual step of reading the dissent aloud from the bench, indicating her vehemence.

Justice Sotomayor’s dissent was actually longer than all the other opinions in the case combined, so that reading took a while. But she was faced with a difficult task in explaining why refusing to treat races differently is actually racial discrimination, so of course she need a lot of verbiage, background, and pretzel twisting.

Four aspects of her argument stand out:

She attempted to re-brand “affirmative action” as “race-sensitive admissions.”

“Although the term “affirmative action” is commonly used to describe colleges’ and universities’ use of race in crafting admissions policies, Instead use the term “race-sensitive admissions policies.” Some comprehend the term “affirmative action” as connoting intentional preferential treatment based on race alone—for example, the use of a quota system, whereby a certain proportion of seats in an institution’s incoming class must be set aside for racial minorities; the use of a “points” system, whereby an institution accords a fixed numerical advantage toan applicant because of her race; or the admission of otherwise unqualified students to an institution solely on account of their race. None of this is an accurate description of the practices that public universities are permitted to adopt after this Court’s decision in Grutter v. Bollinger, 539 U. S. 306 (2003).” (fn. 2)

John Fund correctly notes that this is an implicit admission of failure: “You can often tell when advocates of one side in an argument fear they will ultimately lose. They change their branding.” [LOL..."now it's "climate change", instead of GW.]


She doubled-down on the questionable notion that preferences benefit minorities. There is a growing body of experience indicating that the phenomenon known as “mismatch” results in minorities being placed in situations where they cannot compete with the more-qualified students who received no such preferences. The results have been high drop-out rates, leaving failed students worse off than if they had been admitted to institutions where their qualifications were similar to those of other students.

This is precisely what has happened with the end of racial preferences in California following the passage of Proposition 209. Fewer blacks and Hispanics have been admitted to the elite campuses at Berkeley and Los Angeles, but more have gone to less competitive schools. The overall graduation rate for blacks and Hispanics has risen in the UC System.

Yet Sotomayor appealed to “common sense” in writing about the “common sense reality that race-sensitive admissions benefit minorities.”

[But they harm all of those who aren't favored by the race-based preferential treatment. Racists such as Sotomayor and Timbo don't care about those victims of their "thinking" at all, though.]

Left completely out of the picture in her dissent was the situation of Asian-Americans, a minority to be sure, but one that is greatly harmed by “race-sensitive”

She attacked Chief Justice Roberts’ common sense words (without naming him) in another decision -- “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race” -- as “out of touch with reality.” She continues, “Race matters. Race matters in part because of the long history of racial minorities’ being denied access to the political process.” Instead, she says, “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to speak openly and candidly on the subject of race, and to apply the Constitution with eyes open to the unfortunate effects of centuries of racial discrimination.”

She embraced the notion that no preference can ever be rolled back. She enunciated the theory that any change which “disadvantaged” minorities (in her opinion – see point 2 above) is inherently discrimination:

“This case involves this last chapter of discrimination: A majority of the Michigan electorate changed the basic rules of the political process in that State in a manner that uniquely disadvantaged racial minorities.” (snip)

“But instead, the majority of Michigan voters changed the rules in the middle of the game, reconfiguring the existing political process in Michigan in a manner that burdened racial minorities.”

William Jacobson correctly observes, “This is, as Kurt Schlichter calls it, essentially a ratchet theory, that no preference ever can be rolled back otherwise the rollback is discrimination.”

Sotomayor isn’t the only one who realizes the magnitude of the loss the race industry has endured. By Any Means Necessary (BAMN), the plaintiff in the case, is vowing resistance:

George Washington — who represents BAMN or “By Any Means Necessary” — threatening to take aim atthe Supreme Court’s decision to uphold Michigan’s ban on using race as a factor in college admissions.

“We’re going to have to take the gloves off,” Washington told WWJ Newsradio 950, shortly after the justices’ ruling was announced on Tuesday. “This Supreme Court is systematically setting about undoing the gains of the Civil Rights Movement, so we’re gonna have to return to the methods of sit-ins and protests, and strikes and the things which won it in the first place.”

Somehow I doubt Harry Reid will call them “domestic terrorists.”
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#1445573 --- 04/23/14 11:16 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: VM Smith]
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Oh, please, look who's hijacking the discussion into an argument about Affirmative Action.

The fact is, these guys are simply wrong in their specific assumptions about the distinctions between race, discrimination and the law, and the way(s) that they relate to each other in legal terms.

The courts established this precedent starting at least after the signing of the Emancipation Proclamation and have continued to rule accordingly again and again. The Supreme Court has basically said (on multiple occasions) that a state may use (for instance) affirmative action programs if it chooses to do so, but is not required to use them.
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#1445576 --- 04/23/14 11:35 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: VM Smith]
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Sorry...I don't see your posts, unless they're quoted. Life is too short to waste the time.
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#1445577 --- 04/23/14 11:36 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: VM Smith]
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I'm sorry... what were you saying, now?
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#1445596 --- 04/24/14 11:29 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: VM Smith]
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Yes, that is the case I was alluding to.

Affirmative action was passed to include all people regardless of race based on qualifications. The racists turned it into a race promotion law regardless of qualifications. Those not competent fall on their face, drop out, get frustrated with their inabilities, file lawsuits expecting everything to be handed to them because of their race and face shunning by those they deal and work with. They fit the stupid profile just as one on here now claims that SCOTUS is wrong. HAH!!!

But that is coming from the it which claims blood quantum is meaningless EXCEPT when it comes to legalities. DUH? Plus those who wrote the historical records of the Iroquois filed in the archives of the University of Rochester lied. Oh, and taxes in TN are higher than NY. Ya just can't fix stupid.

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#1445621 --- 04/24/14 04:44 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Yes, that is the case I was alluding to.

Affirmative action was passed to include all people regardless of race based on qualifications. The racists turned it into a race promotion law regardless of qualifications. Those not competent fall on their face, drop out, get frustrated with their inabilities, file lawsuits expecting everything to be handed to them because of their race and face shunning by those they deal and work with. They fit the stupid profile just as one on here now claims that SCOTUS is wrong. HAH!!!

But that is coming from the it which claims blood quantum is meaningless EXCEPT when it comes to legalities. DUH? Plus those who wrote the historical records of the Iroquois filed in the archives of the University of Rochester lied. Oh, and taxes in TN are higher than NY. Ya just can't fix stupid.


1) A significant number of members on the supreme court, have reached precisely that same conclusion.

2) Apparently, I can't prevent you some people from misquoting me.

3) See #2.

4) In many ways, taxes ARE higher in Tennessee (sales tax being just one extremely obvious example).

So... it would appear that indeed, you can't fix stupid. grin
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