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#1481650 --- 02/11/16 04:21 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Even if that were true (and it's categorically NOT), There is no statute of limitations for acts of Genocide or other Crimes Against Humanity. Otherwise, there wouldn't be 94 year old Nazi prison guards being tried for such crimes, as we speak.
Ok we will prosecute all the 200 year old Native American killers we can find. In the meantime we will keep arresting the young Natives shooting up Seneca County and each other recently.
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#1481651 --- 02/11/16 04:27 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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WHAT??? eek eek eek

You know nothing about history, DO you???

Germany PAID reparations. returned possessions and land to descendants of the victims, and still is to this very day.

IMO, your thinking is a contemptible embarrassment [insult] to the memory of the millions of souls who suffered unimaginably hellish grotesqueries at the hands of barbarians and to those who fought, were mutilated or died while trying to eradicate the precise horrors of humanity that we're discussing here. The fact that you seem to be so able and eager to discount that reality, is appalling at every level of human empathy or compassion.

Shame.
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#1481705 --- 02/13/16 06:23 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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http://romesentinel.com/county/madison-county-seeks-oneida-nation-host-county-status/QBqpbj!OhMCLM4WjsKR55cnuudc5g/
Madison County seeks Oneida Nation host county status
Published Feb 12, 2016 at 4:00pm

WAMPSVILLE — Madison County’s Board of Supervisors discussed the ongoing impact of the 2013 agreement between the Oneida Indian Nation and the state at a special meeting Tuesday.

The board has sought, and received, the help of Assemblyman William D. Magee, D-121, Nelson, and state Sen. David J. Valesky, D-53, Oneida, in introducing legislation to the state that would give Madison County host status and recoup a larger amount of money seen through the compact.

Magee’s bill passed in the Assembly in the last session. Valesky’s bill was referred to the senate finance committee for the second time on Jan. 6.

“At Madison County’s request, I sponsor legislation that would deem the county a host county for purposes of sharing revenue from electronic aging devices now located there,” Valesky said.

On May 30, 2013, Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced a settlement had been reached between the state, Madison and Oneida counties and the Oneida Nation to settle their long-standing tax and land trust issues. The Madison County Board of Supervisors and the Oneida County Board of Legislators both approved the deal.

As part of the land agreement, the Oneida Nation pays 25 percent, approximately $50 million, of its gaming income from slot machines to the state. As part of the deal, no state or local taxes are collected by the Oneidas at their businesses, including Turning Stone Resort Casino. However, the tribe does impose its own taxes and keeps the money for tribal governmental purposes.

The county has justified its claim as host county because it provides infrastructure to SavOn convenience stores and the Yellow Brick Road Casino in Chittenango. The Yellow Brick Road opened in 2015 — two years after the settlement with the state was reached.

The Oneida Nation operates seven SavOn convenience stores in Madison County: four in Oneida, two in Canastota and one in Chittenango.

“They have slot machines at the Yellow Brick Road Casino in Chittenango and several SavOn stores in the county,” Oneida City Supervisor Joseph Magliocca said. “So Oneida County is getting our money.”

Oneida County receives 25 percent of the state’s slot machine payment (approximately $12.5 million) along with an annual $2.5 million payment to settle past tax claims.

Madison County receives $3.5 million annually from the state’s share. It also received a one-time, $11 million payment to settle past tax claims in 2013.

The Oneidas had payments to municipalities and schools through its Silver Covenant Program prior to the agreement. The nation did not pay property taxes.

The Silver Covenant ended following the signing of the compact, and because the income based on slot machine revenue can vary it has been difficult for schools and municipalities in the county to balance their budgets.

“Our county schools can’t budget based on money that may or may not be there,” Magliocca said. “We need to act on this.”

The state has a formula for distributing gaming revenue known as “80-10-10.”

The state distributes 80 percent of revenue towards state education aid. This is above the state education formula, which provides money to schools through revenue generated through state income and sales taxes.

Host municipalities and host counties receive 10 percent of their casino’s revenue. As a host county, Oneida County and municipalities like the Town of Verona, where the Turning Stone Resort Casino is located, divide 10 percent of the revenue.

All host counties in a region designated for each casino receive 10 percent. The 10 counties in the Oneida Nation’s region receive one percent of the gaming revenue.

Sullivan Town Supervisor and Board Chairman John M. Becker shared his frustrations at the amount non-host counties in the ten-county compact area are receiving.

“Onondaga County is paid without providing any sort of infrastructure or roads,” Becker said. “They are getting $3.2 million for nothing...nothing!”

Madison County, Becker said, is also losing out on sales tax money.

“These figures don’t take into account the six million we are losing in sales tax,” he said.

Brookfield Town Supervisor John Salka asked how Madison County would relate to other counties on the Oneida Nation-designated region regarding the possibility they may take other counties’ money if they receive host-county status.

“I suppose we are the lone wolf among these other counties, the only one really trying to get more money,” Salka said.
Becker told him otherwise.

“No. New York would have a smaller share, and the other counties would continue to get their share. We would get more of what is paid to the state,” he said.

The state Senate Finance Committee is reviewing the bill that would grant Madison County host county status.

“I continue to advocate for passage of the bill as a means to provide increased revenue for county services,” Valesky said.

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#1481706 --- 02/13/16 06:31 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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http://www.capenews.net/mashpee/news/tau...bcc798f9bb.html
Taunton Residents Challenge Land In Trust Decision

Twenty-four Taunton residents, with attorneys and the financial backing of a casino mogul, have filed a complaint in the United States District Court in Boston, challenging the federal government’s decision to grant the Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe land into trust.

The plaintiffs, who have rallied against casinos in the area for the last four years, hope to overturn the “unprecedented and unlawful” decision of former Secretary Kevin Washburn of the US Department of the Interior, who made the historic land into trust declaration in September. The plaintiffs filed the lawsuit February 4.

The plaintiffs include several arguments in their legal challenge, but they make two main points:
1. That the tribe has few historical ties to Taunton and engaged in “reservation shopping” during their application process.
2. That the federal government has “illogically” construed the language of a 1934 act in order to expand its authority.
This is the first time the Bureau of Indian Affairs and the US Department of the Interior secretary granted a tribe land in trust under these circumstances, according to the plaintiffs.

“We are not fighting the casino, we are fighting the federal government,” said Michelle Littlefield, a plaintiff in the suit. “The federal government has overstepped its authority. This could affect communities nationwide.”

Ms. Littlefield said that four years ago, when Massachusetts began to open to the idea of casinos, she did her homework, organized, and got information out to the community about the ills of casinos. She said that she also learned about the loss of local and state control in the event that land is declared in trust to a sovereign nation.

“The impacts of a sovereign land within the city borders without local or state oversight—it could be anything besides a casino—there are so many possibilities there that could hurt our community,” she said.

Through what she said was a grassroots campaign, she created bonds with others in the community that opposed the new reservation in their backyard, helping create the lawsuit’s list of plaintiffs.

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#1481719 --- 02/14/16 06:25 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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http://m.capecodtimes.com/article/20160212/NEWS/160219767/101252/NEWS

CAPE COD TIMES
Heated words traded over casino lawsuit

By George Brennan
Feb 12, 2016 at 10:48 PM

The court showdown hasn’t happened yet, but the war of words between the Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe and East Taunton residents attempting to block an Indian casino is in full swing.

Neighbors filed suit last week in U.S. District Court in Boston against the U.S. Department of the Interior, which approved taking 151 acres in Taunton and 170 acres in Mashpee into trust as the tribe’s initial reservation. The decision paves the way for the tribe's planned casino, Project First Light in Taunton.

The tribe is accusing Michelle Littlefield - the lead plaintiff in a lawsuit challenging the tribe's ability to open the casino - of being affiliated with a group known as Citizens Equal Rights Alliance, a national group considered by Native Americans to be anti-Indian because of its stance on federal laws surrounding the relationship between the United States and tribes.

“Members of the anti-Tribe East Taunton group have ties to the Citizens Equal Rights Alliance (CERA), a well-known organization that fights tribes all across the country over issues involving land acquisition and federal Indian policy,” tribe leaders wrote in a statement criticizing the lawsuit. “According to Indian Country today, CERA and its sister, Citizens Equal Rights Foundation (CERF), are the foremost anti-sovereignty, anti-treaty organizations in the U.S. anti-Indian movement. CERA’s website indicates they are active in 15 states and Canada.’”

CERA has been described by Native American and human rights organizations as a group motivated by racism. On its website, CERA argues the word racism is misused.

Littlefield denied having ties to the group, though she acknowledged helping to set up a forum offered by the organization at a Taunton church in 2013.

“They wanted to have a conference here and asked if we would host it,” she said. “We’re all about learning everything we can learn about the tribal process. They spoke. They told stories about what happened in other parts of the country… They were gracious about sharing information.”

None of the neighbors suing the federal government is a member of CERA and the organization has not donated to the legal fund being used to pay for the lawsuit, Littlefield wrote in a follow up email.

“It would seem more productive if the tribe would avoid attacks on the private citizens and their representatives for exercising their constitutional rights to redress their grievances against the government in the courts,” Littlefield wrote. “Filing legal action is our right, and to insinuate some baseless and nefarious motivation for doing so deflects from the actual issues in this action: namely that the (record of decision) is hopelessly and irretrievably flawed and in contravention of law.”

The tribe has faced opposition from CERA previously. In 2007, with its sights set on Middleboro for a casino, Carol Kelley, a Plymouth resident who is listed as the organization’s vice president, spoke out against the tribe’s efforts. She has also written letters to the editor opposing the Mashpee tribe’s land applications.

Kelley could not be reached for comment.

• In their statement, tribe leaders again went after Neil Bluhm, owner of Rush Street Gaming and the backer of Mass Gaming & Entertainment, and the financial assistance he’s giving to the East Taunton case. Bluhm is hoping to build a $677 million casino in Brockton and the lawsuit comes just as the Massachusetts Gaming Commission is focusing its attention on whether to license the casino, which would be about 20 miles from the one proposed by the tribe.

The commission is on pace to make a decision March 31.

“Clearly, Mass Gaming & Entertainment and Neil Bluhm are taking the low road here. That may be the way they do things in Chicago, but here in Massachusetts state officials have taken great strides in respecting the rights of all Native Americans,” tribal council Chairman Cedric Cromwell said in a prepared statement.

The tribe looks forward to working closely with the Justice Department to “vigorously defend our land and sovereignty,” Cromwell said.

Bluhm “has no affiliation with CERA, nor has he had any contact with CERA,” Mass Gaming spokeswoman Kristen Cullen said.

Ultimately, a Brockton casino would make the most money for the state and a Taunton casino the least, Cullen said.

“It’s a risk. There’s a good chance this land in trust decision is overturned,” she said. “The East Taunton residents have a strong case and it’s important to remember a Brockton casino will bring significant revenue to the state.”

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#1481724 --- 02/14/16 07:43 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
IMO, your thinking is a contemptible embarrassment [insult] to the memory of the millions of souls who suffered unimaginably hellish grotesqueries at the hands of barbarians and to those who fought, were mutilated or died while trying to eradicate the precise horrors of humanity that we're discussing here. The fact that you seem to be so able and eager to discount that reality, is appalling at every level of human empathy or compassion.
So the founding fathers of this great nation were barbarians?
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#1481727 --- 02/14/16 11:02 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
IMO, your thinking is a contemptible embarrassment [insult] to the memory of the millions of souls who suffered unimaginably hellish grotesqueries at the hands of barbarians and to those who fought, were mutilated or died while trying to eradicate the precise horrors of humanity that we're discussing here. The fact that you seem to be so able and eager to discount that reality, is appalling at every level of human empathy or compassion.
So the founding fathers of this great nation were barbarians?

Jefferson, in particular, certainly issued barbaric presidential orders. Presidential actions in The Philippines, and Cuba would clearly qualify, as well.

Are you suggesting otherwise?

Since you're obviously utterly lacking in basic historical knowledge on the matter, I suggest you familiarize yourself with several other such actions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cia-assisted-coup-overthrows-government-of-iran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
http://www.countriesquest.com/north_amer...philippines.htm
http://www.the-philosopher.co.uk/whocares/popups/warcrimes.htm
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015...uve-never-heard
http://endgenocide.org/learn/past-genocides/native-americans/
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#1481729 --- 02/14/16 11:40 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
IMO, your thinking is a contemptible embarrassment [insult] to the memory of the millions of souls who suffered unimaginably hellish grotesqueries at the hands of barbarians and to those who fought, were mutilated or died while trying to eradicate the precise horrors of humanity that we're discussing here. The fact that you seem to be so able and eager to discount that reality, is appalling at every level of human empathy or compassion.
So the founding fathers of this great nation were barbarians?


In-freakin'-dubitably.



Benjamin Franklin, from his autobiography, 1750s

“If it be the design of Providence to extirpate these Savages in order to make room for cultivators of the Earth, it seems not improbable that rum may be the appointed means.”


Orders of George Washington to General John Sullivan, May 31, 1779

“The immediate objectives are the total destruction and devastation of their settlements and the capture of as many prisoners of every age and sex as possible. It will be essential to ruin their crops in the ground and prevent their planting more.”

Governor William Henry Harrison, of the Indiana Territory (1800-1812) while defending displacement of the Indians

“Is one of the fairest portions of the globe to remain in a state of nature, the haunt of a few wretched savages, when it seems destined by the Creator to give support to a large population and to be the seat of civilization?”

John Quincy Adams, 1802, when rationalizing territorial imperatives as God’s will

“What is the right of the huntsman to the forest of a thousand miles over which he has accidentally ranged in quest of prey? Shall the fields and vallies, which a beneficent God has formed to teem with the life of innumerable multitudes, be condemned to everlasting barrenness?”


President Thomas Jefferson, The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, December 29, 1813

“This unfortunate race, whom we had been taking so much pains to save and to civilize, have by their unexpected desertion and ferocious barbarities justified extermination and now await our decision on their fate.”


James Monroe, in a letter to Andrew Jackson, October 5, 1817

“The hunter or savage state requires a greater extent of territory to sustain it, than is compatible with the progress and just claims of civilized life, and must yield to it. Nothing is more certain, than, if the Indian tribes do not abandon that state, and become civilized, that they will decline, and become extinct. The hunter state, tho maintain’d by warlike spirits, presents but a feeble resistance to the more dense, compact, and powerful population of civilized man.”
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#1481731 --- 02/15/16 03:50 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
IMO, your thinking is a contemptible embarrassment [insult] to the memory of the millions of souls who suffered unimaginably hellish grotesqueries at the hands of barbarians and to those who fought, were mutilated or died while trying to eradicate the precise horrors of humanity that we're discussing here. The fact that you seem to be so able and eager to discount that reality, is appalling at every level of human empathy or compassion.
So the founding fathers of this great nation were barbarians?
Jefferson, in particular, certainly issued barbaric presidential orders. Presidential actions in The Philippines, and Cuba would clearly qualify, as well.

Are you suggesting otherwise?
And yet you say you have served proudly in the US Navy! That sounds like a huge contradiction to me. With your beliefs it would seem like you would be more suited to an underground Native American group trying to overthrow the US government.
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#1481734 --- 02/15/16 07:35 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
IMO, your thinking is a contemptible embarrassment [insult] to the memory of the millions of souls who suffered unimaginably hellish grotesqueries at the hands of barbarians and to those who fought, were mutilated or died while trying to eradicate the precise horrors of humanity that we're discussing here. The fact that you seem to be so able and eager to discount that reality, is appalling at every level of human empathy or compassion.
So the founding fathers of this great nation were barbarians?
Jefferson, in particular, certainly issued barbaric presidential orders. Presidential actions in The Philippines, and Cuba would clearly qualify, as well.

Are you suggesting otherwise?
And yet you say you have served proudly in the US Navy! That sounds like a huge contradiction to me. With your beliefs it would seem like you would be more suited to an underground Native American group trying to overthrow the US government.

Then perhaps you should actually read (and understand) The US Constitution. You might actually come to finally confess the inescapable fact that it's not only possible to both serve your country and honor humanity, but that it's also your sworn DUTY to do so. THAT'S true patriotism by it's very definition. A concept that you refuse to get through your head. The only disparity, springs from your own machinations.

Sadly, it appears that, to you, "equality under the law" only applies, when it provides clear advantage to your sense of "colonial" entitlement (regardless of glaring contradictions of morality, logic and law).
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#1481738 --- 02/15/16 07:52 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
IMO, your thinking is a contemptible embarrassment [insult] to the memory of the millions of souls who suffered unimaginably hellish grotesqueries at the hands of barbarians and to those who fought, were mutilated or died while trying to eradicate the precise horrors of humanity that we're discussing here. The fact that you seem to be so able and eager to discount that reality, is appalling at every level of human empathy or compassion.
So the founding fathers of this great nation were barbarians?
Jefferson, in particular, certainly issued barbaric presidential orders. Presidential actions in The Philippines, and Cuba would clearly qualify, as well.

Are you suggesting otherwise?

As usual, you still haven't answered the question.
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#1481741 --- 02/15/16 08:11 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Then perhaps you should actually read (and understand) The US Constitution. You might actually come to finally confess the inescapable fact that it's not only possible to both serve your country and honor humanity, but that it's also your sworn DUTY to do so. THAT'S true patriotism by it's very definition. A concept that you refuse to get through your head. The only disparity, springs from your own machinations.

Sadly, it appears that, to you, "equality under the law" only applies, when it provides clear advantage to your sense of "colonial" entitlement (regardless of glaring contradictions of morality, logic and law).



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#1481752 --- 02/15/16 12:41 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Then perhaps you should actually read (and understand) The US Constitution. You might actually come to finally confess the inescapable fact that it's not only possible to both serve your country and honor humanity, but that its also your sworn DUTY to do so.
but you say my country was founded by barbarians and you want me to serve such a country? Wow!
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#1481753 --- 02/15/16 12:43 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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Wow, yourself!

I said no such thing and could care less what or who you serve, since it's no doubt likely to always be yourself, only. crazy crazy crazy
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#1481754 --- 02/15/16 12:46 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Wow, yourself!

I said no such thing and could care less what or who you serve. crazy crazy crazy
WOW OMG. That is exactly what you said!
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#1481755 --- 02/15/16 12:49 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Teonan]
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Let's not forget these quotes as well. In the last quote lies the root of the problem...


”The United States has unequivocally agreed…that discovery gave an exclusive right to extinguish the Indian title of occupancy.” - U.S. Supreme Court Johnson & Graham’s Lessee v. McIntosh.

“Damn any man who sympathizes with Indians. I have come to kill Indians and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God’s Heaven to kill them.” - Colonel John Milton Chivington U.S. Army

“It is my purpose to utterly exterminate the Sioux. They are to be treated as maniacs or wild beasts and by no means as people with whom treaties or compromise can be made.” - General John Pope U.S. Army

“The civilization of the Indians is impossible while the buffalo remain upon the plains.” - Columbus Delano U.S. Secretary of the Interior

“[The Indian] must be imbued with the exalting egotism of American civilization so that he will say ‘I’ instead of ‘We’, and ‘This is mine’ instead of ‘This is ours.’” - John Oberly U.S. Commissioner of Indian Affairs

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#1481756 --- 02/15/16 12:50 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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"In their wisdom and blindness, they created a Supreme Court that protected the sovereignty of Native Americans while doing little to stop their genocide."

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/a-ne...n-a6875471.html
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#1481757 --- 02/15/16 12:52 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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“I have always stood with the oppressed people of this country and there are no people who have been more oppressed than the indigenous people of this country,” he said. “I will stand with you and do everything I can to bring dignity and respect and economic opportunity to those people who do not have it today.”

-Bernie Sanders

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-dr...tory-in-nevada/
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#1481758 --- 02/15/16 12:57 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Landmark settlement and new law are victories for tribal sovereignty:

The U.S. government recently agreed to pay the Navajo Nation $554 million in the largest settlement ever to a Native American tribe. Coming on the heels of several other multimillion-dollar settlements with other tribes, the agreement is a landmark for government accountability and tribal sovereignty.

Last month Congress passed the Tribal General Welfare Exclusion Act, mandating that the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) stop taxing tribal citizens who receive tribal government services such as education, health care, elder care, child care and housing. These are services that are exempt from taxes for other Americans who receive governmental aid. Indian tribes saw the IRS’ policy as the federal government’s refusal to recognize the status of their tribal governments. This act, like the Navajo settlement, represents an important governmental acknowledgement of tribal sovereignty.

More:
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/20...canindians.html
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#1481759 --- 02/15/16 12:58 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Wow, yourself!

I said no such thing and could care less what or who you serve, since it's no doubt likely to always be yourself, only. crazy crazy crazy
WOW OMG. That is exactly what you said!

Oh REALLY???

Show us the quote! grin
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