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#1439966 --- 03/14/14 01:50 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
Well considering over 98% of the tribe and their businesses are in ONEIDA COUNTY, I am sure the 11 million is more than enough to cover any lost taxes, lawsuits, courts, and lawyer fees.


the 11 million does not even cover the cost to maintain the roads over the past 20 years for the 'tribe' let alone the school costs
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#1439971 --- 03/14/14 01:56 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
your figures you pull out of the air make me giggle. Turning Stone has to pay NYS 25% of their revenue with a minimum of 50 Million so the MORE Turning Stone makes the MORE NYS gets


$200 million / 25% = $50 million

and that $50 miilion is only on a small portion of the ts business

looks like they will be buying your land with YOUR money cuz they have $150 million per year to spend and IT WAS NEVER A FEDERAL RESERVATION!!!

you made one heck of a deal...

LOL
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#1439974 --- 03/14/14 02:04 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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and remember they get to keep a larger portion of the profits from ts and they get to keep ALL the profits on the gas and cigs

even more money to buy your land with YOUR money

LOL

and it was NEVER a federal reservation
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#1439999 --- 03/14/14 05:37 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
and remember they get to keep a larger portion of the profits from ts and they get to keep ALL the profits on the gas and cigs

even more money to buy your land with YOUR money

LOL

and it was NEVER a federal reservation

Gee, who do you suppose it belonged to originally ? ? ? whistle
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#1440025 --- 03/14/14 10:33 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
and remember they get to keep a larger portion of the profits from ts and they get to keep ALL the profits on the gas and cigs

even more money to buy your land with YOUR money

LOL

and it was NEVER a federal reservation
Gee, who do you suppose it belonged to originally ? ? ? whistle
You are back to this again huh? As VM Smith said it is dumb to think we can turn the clock back 500 years and give all of the Americas back to them as you obviously want to but won't openly admit as you skirt around the question. After making outlandish statements like this you say show me where they want it all back. What a crock of bull that is. You obviously want to give it all back to them and eliminate the country whose navy you served in. You are a traitor to the USA.

It originally belonged to some Native American tribe 25,000 years ago whose brutally lost it to a newer tribe. And that happened an unknown number times over before Columbus even showed up here.


Edited by kyle585 (03/14/14 10:56 PM)
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#1440027 --- 03/14/14 10:40 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
The whole of the Americas was expropriated. Talk is cheap. Anyone who is actually personally committed would set a good example and just give his land to the Indians, and quit telling others what to do and think.

Me? I won't go back to Ireland. There are none with my last name left there; they were all either starved to death or otherwise killed, driven to emigrate, or sold as slaves, mostly to the Americas, including the West Indies and N. America. We were among the 13,000 Palatine Germans who went to England and were forcibly resettled from there, one way or another, to Ireland and to other places.

Many things have happened that can't be undone without inflicting further harm; I choose to live in the present.Faulkner said: The past isn't dead. It's not even past. That's true, but it also can't be substantially changed, without inflicting further pain and suffering, after the passage of much time.

Sure, Columbus was a brutal, callous conqueror, but he was, in one sense, merely a facilitator of the inevitable spreading of the various peoples around the world, and that won't be undone, nor can it, or should it, be.
I'm obviously against world government, but one world of people is a different thing, and an inevitably happening fact. It has been since the African diaspora, the popling of Europe, asia, and Austrailia, and on through the peopling of the Americas, and Alexander, Nicolo, Maffeo, and Marco, Polo, Ghengis Khan and Columbus. It's continuing in the present.

To assume that history should have stopped, or could have been, and that the Americas should have remained Indian, or that it should now be magically rewound, is as dumb as assuming that they should stay white. Population flow is like the tides, and even King Knute, in a relatively less sophisticated and knowledgeable time, knew that that they couldn't be commanded.




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#1440029 --- 03/14/14 10:56 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: VM Smith
The whole of the Americas was expropriated. Talk is cheap. Anyone who is actually personally committed would set a good example and just give his land to the Indians, and quit telling others what to do and think.
Me? I won't go back to Ireland. There are none with my last name left there; they were all either starved to death or otherwise killed, driven to emigrate, or sold as slaves, mostly to the Americas, including the West Indies and N. America. We were among the 13,000 Palatine Germans who went to England and were forcibly resettled from there, one way or another, to Ireland and to other places.

Many things have happened that can't be undone without inflicting further harm; I choose to live in the present.Faulkner said: The past isn't dead. It's not even past. That's true, but it also can't be substantially changed, without inflicting further pain and suffering, after the passage of much time.

Sure, Columbus was a brutal, callous conqueror, but he was, in one sense, merely a facilitator of the inevitable spreading of the various peoples around the world, and that won't be undone, nor can it, or should it, be.
I'm obviously against world government, but one world of people is a different thing, and an inevitably happening fact. It has been since the African diaspora, the popling of Europe, asia, and Austrailia, and on through the peopling of the Americas, and Alexander, Nicolo, Maffeo, and Marco, Polo, Ghengis Khan and Columbus. It's continuing in the present.

To assume that history should have stopped, or could have been, and that the Americas should have remained Indian, or that it should now be magically rewound, is as dumb as assuming that they should stay white. Population flow is like the tides, and even King Knute, in a relatively less sophisticated and knowledgeable time, knew that that they couldn't be commanded.

One ridiculous and false assumption after another.
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#1440034 --- 03/15/14 01:30 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: VM Smith
The whole of the Americas was expropriated. Talk is cheap. Anyone who is actually personally committed would set a good example and just give his land to the Indians, and quit telling others what to do and think.
Me? I won't go back to Ireland. There are none with my last name left there; they were all either starved to death or otherwise killed, driven to emigrate, or sold as slaves, mostly to the Americas, including the West Indies and N. America. We were among the 13,000 Palatine Germans who went to England and were forcibly resettled from there, one way or another, to Ireland and to other places.

Many things have happened that can't be undone without inflicting further harm; I choose to live in the present.Faulkner said: The past isn't dead. It's not even past. That's true, but it also can't be substantially changed, without inflicting further pain and suffering, after the passage of much time.

Sure, Columbus was a brutal, callous conqueror, but he was, in one sense, merely a facilitator of the inevitable spreading of the various peoples around the world, and that won't be undone, nor can it, or should it, be.
I'm obviously against world government, but one world of people is a different thing, and an inevitably happening fact. It has been since the African diaspora, the popling of Europe, asia, and Austrailia, and on through the peopling of the Americas, and Alexander, Nicolo, Maffeo, and Marco, Polo, Ghengis Khan and Columbus. It's continuing in the present.

To assume that history should have stopped, or could have been, and that the Americas should have remained Indian, or that it should now be magically rewound, is as dumb as assuming that they should stay white. Population flow is like the tides, and even King Knute, in a relatively less sophisticated and knowledgeable time, knew that that they couldn't be commanded.

One ridiculous and false assumption after another.
The best and most concise set of facts and assumptions on the Indian mess I have ever seen!
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#1440036 --- 03/15/14 01:31 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
and remember they get to keep a larger portion of the profits from ts and they get to keep ALL the profits on the gas and cigs

even more money to buy your land with YOUR money

LOL

and it was NEVER a federal reservation
Gee, who do you suppose it belonged to originally ? ? ? whistle
You are back to this again huh? As VM Smith said it is dumb to think we can turn the clock back 500 years and give all of the Americas back to them as you obviously want to but won't openly admit as you skirt around the question. After making outlandish statements like this you say show me where they want it all back. What a crock of bull that is. You obviously want to give it all back to them and eliminate the country whose navy you served in. You are a traitor to the USA.

It originally belonged to some Native American tribe 25,000 years ago whose brutally lost it to a newer tribe. And that happened an unknown number times over before Columbus even showed up here.
Next to these facts and assumptions of course. grin
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#1440067 --- 03/15/14 10:07 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: VM Smith
The whole of the Americas was expropriated. Talk is cheap. Anyone who is actually personally committed would set a good example and just give his land to the Indians, and quit telling others what to do and think.

One ridiculous and false assumption after another.

You apparently think this is possible. Else what is your goal? You refuse to state your goal. This is the most ridiculous assumption I have ever heard. And for a US Navy vet to beieve this makes it all the more astounding.
Originally Posted By: VM Smith
To assume that history should have stopped, or could have been, and that the Americas should have remained Indian, or that it should now be magically rewound, is as dumb as assuming that they should stay white.
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#1440073 --- 03/15/14 12:09 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: teedoff27
Well considering over 98% of the tribe and their businesses are in ONEIDA COUNTY, I am sure the 11 million is more than enough to cover any lost taxes, lawsuits, courts, and lawyer fees.


the 11 million does not even cover the cost to maintain the roads over the past 20 years for the 'tribe' let alone the school costs


What about the 5 MILLION+++ non- tax paying welfare recipients that have used those roads/schools over the past 50++YEARS!!??

I think they should let go ALL NYS DOT and School Maintenance and Landscaping staff go and require ALL welfare recipients to fix the roads and landscape, clean, and do maintenance at all NYS public schools in order to receive their benefits on the 1st and 15th..... NO WORK = NO CHECK!
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#1440074 --- 03/15/14 12:14 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: teedoff27
I like how you always say they almost lost.


Originally Posted By: teedoff27
I have never said they had a federal reservation


you have just proven why the oneida 'tribe' should not have been able to keep the profits from the cig/gas and casino



Too late now with the Deal Prince Andrew made.....Not only is their 25,000 acres tax free but they are released for NY Control and all current court battles are squashed!
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#1440078 --- 03/15/14 12:30 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: teedoff27
TS and their 25k acres is now TAX FREE!!!!


and then they will be buying your land with YOUR money

LOL


Considering I don't live in Madison or Oneida County....WHEN are they coming to buy my land (for DOUBLE the price) So I can pack, buy a house in N.C., and with the left over money buy new vehicles and take a 2 week cruise???
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#1440087 --- 03/15/14 01:51 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: teedoff27
I like how you always say they almost lost.

Originally Posted By: teedoff27
I have never said they had a federal reservation

you have just proven why the oneida 'tribe' should not have been able to keep the profits from the cig/gas and casino

Too late now with the Deal Prince Andrew made.....Not only is their 25,000 acres tax free but they are released for NY Control and all current court battles are squashed!


sounds like all the money and land the 'tribe' gained from the properties off the 32 acre 'reservation' over the past 20+ years are NYS to take possession of



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#1440088 --- 03/15/14 01:56 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
Connsidering I don't live in Madison or Oneida County....WHEN are they coming to buy my land (for DOUBLE the price)


'buy'

why would they buy it
just give it back to them
or do you lack the integrity?
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#1440089 --- 03/15/14 01:58 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
TS and their 25k acres is now TAX FREE!!!!


maybe NYS will not have the money to pay your pension or healthcare when you retire due to the lost tax revenue

LOL
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#1440090 --- 03/15/14 02:04 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
TS and their 25k acres is now TAX FREE!!!!


maybe the 'tribe' will build 500 more gas/cig shops on the 25,000 acres and you will lose even more tax dollars

all other tax paying gas/cigs shops will go out of business and you lose ever more tax revenue

better not call the police or fire cuz they will be cut out of the budget

LOL

25000 / 500 = every 100 acres
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#1440092 --- 03/15/14 02:08 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
You are a traitor to the USA.


there is no reason to further reply to this indvidual as the poster is lacking integrity
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#1440108 --- 03/15/14 06:52 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
The WHOLE of the Americas was expropriated. Talk is cheap.ANYONE who is actually personally committed WOULD set a good example and just give his land to the Indians, and quit telling others WHAT TO DO AND THINK. Me? I won't go back to Ireland. There are NONE with my last name LEFT there; they were ALL either starved to death or otherwise killed, driven to emigrate, or sold as slaves, mostly to the Americas, including the West Indies and N. America. We were among the 13,000 Palatine Germans who went to England and were forcibly resettled from there, one way or another, to Ireland and to other places.

One ridiculous and false assumption after another.
The best and most concise set of facts and assumptions on the Indian mess I have ever seen!

You mean"facts" like these ? ? ?

You're right about the rest being nothing but assumptions, though. grin
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#1440116 --- 03/15/14 08:08 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
Considering I don't live in Madison or Oneida County


Originally Posted By: teedoff27
What about the 5 MILLION+++ non- tax paying welfare recipients that have used those roads/schools over the past 50++YEARS!!??


do all those 5 million live in your county?
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