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#1437826 --- 02/25/14 12:12 AM
Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes
[Re: Timbo]
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Let's cut to the chase... In December 2010 President Obama declared that the United States would sign the U.N. Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.After years of foot dragging the United States became the last major country to sign the declaration. U.N. Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in it's entirety here: http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/documents/DRIPS_en.pdfPlese tell me what you think the US needs to do for the Indigenous people within our boundaries. In terms of this thread, I would say that removing the obligation to pay taxes (state or federal) in most cases is appropriate. There may be some possible exceptions, but none presently come to mind. How about county sales taxes on their businesses?(This is just a pass through tax which you collect from your customer at point of sale). How about local county and town property taxes and local school taxes?
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#1437834 --- 02/25/14 02:29 AM
Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes
[Re: kyle585]
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Let's cut to the chase... In December 2010 President Obama declared that the United States would sign the U.N. Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.After years of foot dragging the United States became the last major country to sign the declaration. U.N. Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in it's entirety here: http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/documents/DRIPS_en.pdfPlese tell me what you think the US needs to do for the Indigenous people within our boundaries. In terms of this thread, I would say that removing the obligation to pay taxes (state or federal) in most cases is appropriate. There may be some possible exceptions, but none presently come to mind. How about county sales taxes on their businesses?(This is just a pass through tax which you collect from your customer at point of sale). How about local county and town property taxes and local school taxes? No, not if they are wholly Indian owned. I would however consider taxes or fees for certain acts upon the environment that are the result of Indian actions which could cause possible harm or damage outside of Indian/tribal land to be a potentially reasonable requirement (and vice versa). And I stress the word "potentially".
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#1437854 --- 02/25/14 10:12 AM
Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes
[Re: Timbo]
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Registered: 02/18/09
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If you can tell me these two things, you may yet convince me you have something worthwhile to contribute to this discussion. I am serious. It matters not one iota what you think of me. Your obvious arrogance and sense of self importance is truly a thing to behold. The fact that you are serious, makes it even more astounding. You're always welcome to take your questions to someone with far less patience for intransigence, than I. Atrocities have happened far more recently and other examples of such treatment still exist today.
All the more reason why Native American's are entitled to certain restitutions.
Most people who are on here discussing a serious topic are trying to convince other people that their position is correct. I now doubt if that is what you are doing? You are the most arrogant and aloof person I have ever met on here. I am not sure why you are on here? I think you must just like to display your big vocabulary because it just makes you feel important. I see no other reason for all of your drivel on here.
You make bold statements that atrocities are still being committed against Indians today. And therefore they are entitled to certain restitutions! These are indeed bold statements yet you offer no proof of them. You are indeed quite an amazing guy. What I really think of your stand on the Indian situation is not printable on here.
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#1437875 --- 02/25/14 02:46 PM
Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes
[Re: kyle585]
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Registered: 05/30/12
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Loc: Malmö
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Let's cut to the chase... In December 2010 President Obama declared that the United States would sign the U.N. Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. Endorsed by 145 countries in 2007, the U.S. initially voted against it for obvious reasons; parts of provisions state that indigenous peoples "have the right to the lands, territories and resources which they have traditionally owned, occupied, or otherwise used and acquired." After years of foot dragging the United States became the last major country to sign the declaration. In the words of activist/attorney Kevin Zeese: "In the past few years, there has been a reawakening and tremendous growth of the First Nations and Native Indian rights movements. They have become a guidepost for many non-Native environmental justice activists who look to them for leadership and guidance. The effort continues for recognition that indigenous peoples share the universal rights that all humans share. The historic prejudice and destruction of their culture and land will begin to be corrected only when their sovereignty is respected. These are aspirations that remain unfulfilled, but the struggle to achieve them continues."I could not agree more. U.N. Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in it's entirety here: http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/documents/DRIPS_en.pdfPlese tell me what you think the US needs to do for the Indigenous people within our boundaries. In my opinion the U.S should make immediately respond to their grievances in full accordance with international law. As urged by Dr. Mary Hamer, M.D: - I recommend that the United States offer a Truth & Reconciliation Commission to the Native Americans – To give the Native people a chance to express their First Amendment rights of Freedom of Speech & to air their grievances – In the effort to help the Native Americans & Americans in general to heal from 500+ years of injustices. Acknowledging the voices from America's "prison house of nations" would be a remarkable beginning.
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#1437914 --- 02/25/14 08:18 PM
Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes
[Re: Teonan]
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Registered: 12/19/04
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many have wondered whether Americans would ever resist the increasing encroachments on their freedom. I think they've begun. That may be true. Under the Bushes, the Clintons, and particularly under Obama, the State has revealed its nature, and maybe there can be an effective pushback. So you advocate: Eliminating public education so only the rich can afford private schools. Eliminating safety regulation and basic worker rights so people can be paid less in times of high unemployment. Cutting their social safety net, so their kids starve. Eliminating our civil rights to allow for open discrimination again. Deregulating all corporations to remove environmental protections and allow predatory and exploitve practices. Stop maintaining our infrastructure and let it crumble/sell it to private corporations, so that all roads will be toll. are you talking about on the 'reservation' or off the 'reservation'? one minute you support the US government and then the next minute you complain about it
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#1437929 --- 02/25/14 10:07 PM
Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes
[Re: bluezone]
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Registered: 05/30/12
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Loc: Malmö
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many have wondered whether Americans would ever resist the increasing encroachments on their freedom. I think they've begun. That may be true. Under the Bushes, the Clintons, and particularly under Obama, the State has revealed its nature, and maybe there can be an effective pushback. So you advocate: Eliminating public education so only the rich can afford private schools. Eliminating safety regulation and basic worker rights so people can be paid less in times of high unemployment. Cutting their social safety net, so their kids starve. Eliminating our civil rights to allow for open discrimination again. Deregulating all corporations to remove environmental protections and allow predatory and exploitve practices. Stop maintaining our infrastructure and let it crumble/sell it to private corporations, so that all roads will be toll. one minute you support the US government and then the next minute you complain about it Afraid of democracy in action?
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Well, I can't say on here.
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