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#1437482 --- 02/21/14 04:27 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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From today's Finger Lakes times. This is what most of the population thinks.

Do you have any evidence to back that up, or is it true because you claim that it is?
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#1437483 --- 02/21/14 04:28 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
I told you precisely what I want, only a page ago. You simply don't like the answer and like an intransigent child, you refuse to listen. So, clean the crud out of your head and pay attention.
Baloney. I went back three pages and have no idea what you are referring to. Most of those pages were you debating with bluezone.
Hmm... If I were to put, lets say, $500 in a joint escrow account to be paid to you upon failure to provide proof of several example of my questions that you've not yet answered, would you do the same if I were to provide proof that you've failed to answer those questions? A contract should be easy enough to draw up.
Oh wow you are running a scam too. How low can you go?
Nope. Simply calling you out on your BS.
You are not calling me out because I went back three pages and have no idea what you are talking about.


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#1437484 --- 02/21/14 04:31 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
From today's Finger Lakes times. This is what most of the population thinks.

Do you have any evidence to back that up, or is it true because you claim that it is?
There have been many letters to the editors supporting my position over the last few years. I think I saw one letter supporting the Indians a few years ago. All elected county officials and the state senator and assemblyman from this area agree with me. And they are elected by a majority of the people, right? I was one of the 1,000+ people at the Chiropractic college in June a few years ago in a rainy downpour regarding the Indian situation. Also there were most of the big local companies and the local banks. Every speaker but one said the Indians needed to pay all taxes same as everyone else. Senator Gillibrand had a rep there who was booed for her wishy-washy statement. The senator has since come around.

Former Seneca Falls mayor Brad Jones gave bus tours showing how the Indians were making homeowners lose their value by checkerboarding. There was also a video of his tours on FL1. I would like my $500.00 in 20's.

Have you seen any protests supporting the Indians? or even speak out in their support except for you and one other person on here?


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#1437491 --- 02/21/14 07:15 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Leave them alone, if you don't like their policies, politics, taxes, liberties and so on, then get off their land
so tell us why you refuse to give the land back to the 'tribes'?
Soooo many ignorant assumptions on you're part. cool
http://www.upstate-citizens.org/getthefacts.htm

According to the Haudenosaunee Press Guide:"...the aboriginal homeland of the Haudenosaunee within the current boundaries of New York State consist of 39,000 square miles...” (Approximately 25 million acres of New York State's 31 million acres of land)."

This guide also states under Haudenosaunee Statement on Land Claims that their first objective is: "To win recognition of the Haudenosaunee ownership of the entire area of Haudenosaunee territory..."
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#1437512 --- 02/22/14 04:19 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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So did this happen on an American Indian reservation, in another sovereign nation or where? All I know is that it will cost American taxpayers a lot of money to investigate this potential international incident.

http://www.redding.com/news/2014/feb/20/four-dead-two-injured-alturas-shooting/

Police: Former tribal chairwoman shot, killed family members, was under investigation

Posted February 20, 2014

ALTURAS — A former Northern Paiute tribal chairwoman shot and killed four people, including three of her relatives, and gunned down two others at her tribe’s headquarters in Alturas during her eviction hearing Thursday, police say.

Cherie Rhoades, 44, of Cedarville, is in custody facing murder, attempted murder charges and child endangerment charges after she shot four women and two men just before 3:30 p.m. at the Cedarville Rancheria Tribal Office and Community Center, Alturas Police Chief Ken Barnes said.

City Clerk Cary Baker said Angel Moonstar Penn, Rhoades' 19-year-old niece, Glenn Phillip Calonico, Rhoades' 30-year-old nephew, Rurik Daniel Davis, Rhoades' 50-year-old brother, and Sheila Lynn Russo, 47, were killed in the shooting. Two women were flown to a Redding hospital for treatment. One remains in critical condition, while the other is alert and talking.

Rhoades had been under federal investigation over at least $50,000 in missing funds, a person familiar with the tribe's situation told The Associated Press on Friday.

Investigators were looking into whether Cherie Lash Rhoades had taken federal grants to the Cedarville Rancheria tribe, said the person who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the case.


Rhoades opened fire during a hearing about her eviction from her home at 101 Rancheria Way, Barnes said. About 10 to 14 people were at the meeting, including children.

He said a woman covered in the victims’ blood ran from the rancheria’s headquarters at 300 W. First St. to City Hall to alert police to the shooting, Barnes said.

Baker was at City Hall when the woman arrived, screaming that Rhoades was shooting. Baker said the police immediately sprung into action, and were at the scene within seconds.

"She did an amazing job," Baker said. "She was rattling off critical information for dispatching police and fire within a matter of seconds."

Rhoades fired until she ran out of bullets, shooting all six victims at least once, Barnes said. She then grabbed a butcher knife and stabbed one of the victims, Barnes said.

Two of the women shot by Rhoades ran outside the chambers, Barnes said. He said one victim suffered a single gunshot wound, but he didn’t know how many times the other surviving victim had been shot.

He said officers arrived to find Rhoades still acting aggressively. A rancheria employee helped tackle her and, minutes after the shooting was reported, Rhoades was taken into custody, Barnes said.

A pregnant woman, who was in the chambers when Rhoades began her shooting spree, was uninjured, Barnes said. He said he didn’t know how long the hearing had been going on before Rhoades opened fire.

Investigating officers found two semiautomatic handguns, though Barnes said he couldn’t elaborate on them. He said he didn’t know who owned them or whether both had been fired in the shooting. He said he didn’t know at this point whether anyone fired back at Rhoades.

Barnes said Rhoades and her son, 24, had attended the hearing on their eviction from their home at 101 Rancheria Way in Cedarville. The Cedarville Rancheria’s headquarters is in Alturas while its tribal property is in Cedarville, about 15 miles away. Barnes said he didn’t know why Rhoades attacked.

Rhoades’ role and responsibilities as a chairperson weren’t clear, Barnes said.

Alturas is sleepy town of about 2,800 people, according to the 2010 U.S. Census, and is surrounded by the Modoc National Forest. It’s a winding two-and-a-half-hour drive up Highway 299, about 140 miles northeast of Redding.

The shooting was on everyone’s mind Thursday night at the Niles Hotel, which is a few blocks from the rancheria’s headquarters, said Cheyenne Menkee who works at the hotel’s saloon.

“It’s not something you hear about happening here in Alturas,” she said. “My heart dropped a little bit... some people in here a kind of shaky. People were concerned if someone they knew was shot.”

Barnes said the community has been shocked by the rampage.

“We’re a close-knit community,” he said. “It’s a pretty traumatic event for a lot of people.”

The Cedarville Rancheria’s Facebook page has not been updated since the shooting earlier Thursday.

Cedarville is about 15 miles east of Alturas. The Cedarville Rancheria owns a 20-acre, roughly rectangular property off Rancheria Way in the town.

According to the 2010 Census, 15 people lived in five housing units on Cedarville Rancheria land. Eight of them were women and 10 were adults.

Two of the Rancheria’s nine homes were rented, according to the Census. Homeowners lived in another three, according to the census.

The tribe has about 35 members, according to the federal government.

Barnes said he is awaiting investigative teams from the California Highway Patrol and California Department of Justice before removing anything from the rancheria’s headquarters.
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#1437514 --- 02/22/14 04:51 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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All elected county officials and the state senator and assemblyman from this area agree with me.


Yet they have accomplished NOTHING!!! SCHMUCKmer is full of hot air, and BOZZOllio is getting PAID by both sides of the fence and DOESN'T want the cash cow to end!

Futhermore WHY would we protest in FAVOR of the Natives.... They already HAVE everything.....TAX FREE gambling, TAX FREE gas, TAX FREE food items, TAX FREE restaurant, TAX FREE smoke shops, etc. etc. etc.

You contiunue to bring up *many years ago in a storm* blah blah blah.....yet the most RECENT attempt was attended by 13 whopping people and got DROPPED from the media except for the *Kindergarten* FL Times that has probably less than 100 subscribers!
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#1437519 --- 02/22/14 06:20 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Leave them alone, if you don't like their policies, politics, taxes, liberties and so on, then get off their land
so tell us why you refuse to give the land back to the 'tribes'?
Soooo many ignorant assumptions on you're part. cool
you have only volunteered a few hours of your time

further proof that you do not owe them your land

If by a few, you mean several hundred, then sure.

And more next week.


how many more hours will you need to volunteer to make up for all those you killed from the past?

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#1437520 --- 02/22/14 06:25 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Leave them alone, if you don't like their policies, politics, taxes, liberties and so on, then get off their land
so tell us why you refuse to give the land back to the 'tribes'?

Soooo many ignorant assumptions on you're part. cool


your reply last time was that 'you did not live in wyoming'
so you did not have to give the land back

keep running in circles...
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#1437521 --- 02/22/14 06:30 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo


OK, since Native Americans generally have the might of the Federal Government on their sides and the buying power to add to this power. They have the treaties and the backing. It looks as if they win. When are White people going to learn that it's a done deal and accept the fact that THEY lost.


who lost?

you said the 'tribes' were conquered
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#1437524 --- 02/22/14 06:39 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
OK, since Native Americans generally have the might of the Federal Government on their sides and the buying power to add to this power. They have the treaties and the backing. It looks as if they win. When are White people going to learn that it's a done deal and accept the fact that THEY lost.
who lost?

you said the 'tribes' were conquered
Good point.
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#1437528 --- 02/22/14 06:47 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: teedoff27]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
WHY would we protest in FAVOR of the Natives.... They already HAVE everything.....TAX FREE gambling, TAX FREE gas, TAX FREE food items, TAX FREE restaurant, TAX FREE smoke shops, etc. etc. etc.
You have a point. Our legal system bends over backwards to try and be so fair, especially to minorities, that they let these tribes get away with so much. And we have to make the difference in our taxes. Sad
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#1437534 --- 02/22/14 07:15 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
http://www.uticaod.com/article/20140221/NEWS/140229882
Opponents of Oneidas' deal raise jurisdictional concerns

As the agreement between the Oneida Indian Nation and New York state and Madison and Oneida counties awaits a decision by U.S. District Court Judge Lawrence Kahn.


Among their concerns:

Could land owned by non-Indians that is encircled by land the Oneidas plan to put into federal Indian trust enter a jurisdictional limbo in which local and state laws are superseded by federal or Oneida Indian law?

Could the Nation engage in hydraulic fracturing on its federal Indian trust lands even if New York state bans it?

Oneida County Executive Anthony Picente called the jurisdictional concerns “nonsense.”

"This is insulting to the entire process," he said. "Do you think the governor and everyone else would have agreed if that were the case?"

[Note: Picente and Cuomo would do anything for a brown paper bag.]

Under the agreement, signed in May, the Nation would get exclusive gaming rights in the region but must share 25 percent of its yearly slot machine revenue with the state and counties.

Also, the state and counties will not object to Nation plans to put up to 25,000 acres of its land into federal Indian trust. Such lands are not subject to state and local taxes and regulations.

"I don't even know what these guys are thinking," said Lana Marcussen, the legal consultant for the nationwide Citizens Equal Rights Alliance, which focuses on Indian issues.

Davis, Marcussen and CERA Board Chairman Judy Bachman of Vernon point to cases in other states where non-Indian homeowners within borders of historic Indian reservations have been subjected to federal laws rather than the laws of their states.

Assistant Oneida County Attorney Harris Samuels said that's not the case here.

"We won the land claim," he said, referring to the U.S. Supreme Court's 2011 decision not to hear a case over whether the Nation was owed as much as $500 million in damages for the loss of the land.

[Note: Harris does not grasp that this settlement will undo what has been won.]

Oneida Nation spokesman Joel Barkin pointed to portions of the agreement that state that the Nation would take no more than 25,000 acres into trust. He did not comment on the jurisdictional


DENY TRUST LAND
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#1437535 --- 02/22/14 07:21 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
When are White people going


try going out side
experience the 'melting pot'
have you meet obama?
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#1437560 --- 02/22/14 01:39 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
OK, since Native Americans generally have the might of the Federal Government on their sides and the buying power to add to this power. They have the treaties and the backing. It looks as if they win. When are White people going to learn that it's a done deal and accept the fact that THEY lost.

who lost?

you said the 'tribes' were conquered

So, you were born without the facetious gene or an extra chromosome, I see.
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#1437561 --- 02/22/14 01:42 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: teedoff27
WHY would we protest in FAVOR of the Natives.... They already HAVE everything.....TAX FREE gambling, TAX FREE gas, TAX FREE food items, TAX FREE restaurant, TAX FREE smoke shops, etc. etc. etc.
You have a point. Our legal system bends over backwards to try and be so fair, especially to minorities, that they let these tribes get away with so much. And we have to make the difference in our taxes. Sad

Yeah, everything except their continent back.

When you say that they "get away" with things, you must mean that they got away within an inch of racial extinction, a few leftover rag-tag tribes and less than 1% of their former land?
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#1437563 --- 02/22/14 02:06 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
OK, since Native Americans generally have the might of the Federal Government on their sides and the buying power to add to this power. They have the treaties and the backing. It looks as if they win. When are White people going to learn that it's a done deal and accept the fact that THEY lost.

who lost?

you said the 'tribes' were conquered

So, you were born without the facetious gene or an extra chromosome, I see.


Originally Posted By: Timbo
Because that is virtually the invariable outcome of being conquered.


yawn.....

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#1437564 --- 02/22/14 02:11 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
When you say that they "get away" with things, you must mean that they got away within an inch of racial extinction, a few leftover rag-tag tribes and less than 1% of their former land?


Originally Posted By: Timbo
Because that is virtually the invariable outcome of being conquered.


has it sunk in yet?

yawn...
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#1437568 --- 02/22/14 02:28 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
When you say that they "get away" with things, you must mean that they got away within an inch of racial extinction, a few leftover rag-tag tribes and less than 1% of their former land?
When I say "get away" with things, I mean they are getting away with things now, not 200 years ago. No one can change what happened 200 years ago, can they? So I ask you what should we do for the few rag-tag tribes that are left? I asked if we owe them the other 99% of their land back but you treat that as some kind of ludicrous statement. Yet I hear no answer from you whatsoever.
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#1437570 --- 02/22/14 02:30 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: teedoff27
WHY would we protest in FAVOR of the Natives.... They already HAVE everything.....TAX FREE gambling, TAX FREE gas, TAX FREE food items, TAX FREE restaurant, TAX FREE smoke shops, etc. etc. etc.
You have a point. Our legal system bends over backwards to try and be so fair, especially to minorities, that they let these tribes get away with so much. And we have to make the difference in our taxes. Sad
Yeah, everything except their continent back.
Are you suggesting we give the whole continent back to the {few leftover rag-tag tribes - your words not mine} that are left? Are you serious?


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#1437596 --- 02/22/14 06:55 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Fritz
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: teedoff27
WHY would we protest in FAVOR of the Natives.... They already HAVE everything.....TAX FREE gambling, TAX FREE gas, TAX FREE food items, TAX FREE restaurant, TAX FREE smoke shops, etc. etc. etc.
You have a point. Our legal system bends over backwards to try and be so fair, especially to minorities, that they let these tribes get away with so much. And we have to make the difference in our taxes. Sad
Yeah, everything except their continent back.
Are you suggesting we give the whole continent back to the {few leftover rag-tag tribes - your words not mine} that are left? Are you serious?
Ahahahahahaha... stop kyle! You're sounding just like a racist...wait you are a racist!
Racist. Your word not mine.
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