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#1437453 --- 02/21/14 01:30 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
OK, since Native Americans generally have the might of the Federal Government on their sides and the buying power to add to this power. They have the treaties and the backing. It looks as if they win.
This is your opinion, not a fact. All I am asking if your opinion of what happens if they win. Sounds pretty simple to me.
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#1437458 --- 02/21/14 02:09 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

I'm still waiting for your answers to my questions.
I honestly don't know what questions you are talking about. This is all a game of nonsense to you, isn't it?
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#1437459 --- 02/21/14 02:12 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
I was making a rhetorical point to draw attention to the ridiculous nature of your earlier comment.
I point out what I think are possible outcomes even if they sound outlandish to you but it really doesn't matter how I ask a question because you have no intention of answering any question, do you?
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#1437460 --- 02/21/14 02:12 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
OK, since Native Americans generally have the might of the Federal Government on their sides and the buying power to add to this power. They have the treaties and the backing. It looks as if they win.
This is your opinion, not a fact. All I am asking if your opinion of what happens if they win. Sounds pretty simple to me.

What happens when monkeys fly out of your hind end? It's a pointless question. It has no validity and as such, is undeserving of any serious consideration.

I won't lend credence to pointless, cyclic arguments. Especially when your apparent intent is to promote agendas that are historically inaccurate, disingenuous, destructive and of which I wholeheartedly disagree with.

What more do you need to know?
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#1437461 --- 02/21/14 02:18 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
I was making a rhetorical point to draw attention to the ridiculous nature of your earlier comment.
I point out what I think are possible outcomes even if they sound outlandish to you but it really doesn't matter how I ask a question because you have no intention of answering any question, do you?

Wrong. I simply have no intention being manipulated into playing word games that would only serve to promote ideologies that I strongly disagree with.

Got it, now?

You still haven't answered my questions, which mostly confirms my belief that you aren't up to the task of a mature debate.

FYI: I was the one to propose an outlandish scenario as to draw comparisons to your outlandish statements. And they are very much outlandish, as they bear no similarity whatsoever to the actual facts.
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#1437462 --- 02/21/14 02:23 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
I was making a rhetorical point to draw attention to the ridiculous nature of your earlier comment.
I point out what I think are possible outcomes even if they sound outlandish to you but it really doesn't matter how I ask a question because you have no intention of answering any question, do you?

Wrong. I simply have no intention being manipulated into playing word games that would only serve to promote ideologies that I strongly disagree with.

Got it, now?
Word games. LOL You are master of that. I know what Rich and the UCE want to happen. They state it quite plainly. I have no idea what you want to happen other than you think the Indians will win. When I ask how our lives and the USA will change if they win, you refuse to even express an opinion. Therefore, there is nothing to be gained by trying to chat with you that I can see.
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#1437463 --- 02/21/14 02:26 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
And you still haven't answered my questions, which mostly confirms my belief that you aren't up to the task of a mature debate.
I am not going to go through many pages of posts to try and figure out what questions you are taking about. It is not going to happen.
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#1437464 --- 02/21/14 02:33 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
I was making a rhetorical point to draw attention to the ridiculous nature of your earlier comment.
I point out what I think are possible outcomes even if they sound outlandish to you but it really doesn't matter how I ask a question because you have no intention of answering any question, do you?

Wrong. I simply have no intention being manipulated into playing word games that would only serve to promote ideologies that I strongly disagree with.

Got it, now?
Word games. LOL You are master of that. I know what Rich and the UCE want to happen. They state it quite plainly. I have no idea what you want to happen other than you think the Indians will win. When I ask how our lives and the USA will change if they win, you refuse to even express an opinion. Therefore, there is nothing to be gained by trying to chat with you that I can see.

No. I simply understand that words have specific meanings. I choose them carefully as to communicate as accurately and factually as humanly possible.

So, pay attention, now. I'll say this very slowly for you...

Opinions are absolutely, 100%, inarguably, categorically and totally irrelevant to the facts. Opinions mean precisely SQUAT. They are merely social conventions offering nothing more than a possible springboard to ideas. They have no bearing on reality (as it were).

If you seek entertainment, ask for opinions. If desire knowledge, seek out facts.
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#1437465 --- 02/21/14 02:40 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
And you still haven't answered my questions, which mostly confirms my belief that you aren't up to the task of a mature debate.
I am not going to go through many pages of posts to try and figure out what questions you are taking about. It is not going to happen.

Sure, whatever.

That's always a good way to avoid reciprocating your responsibility of participating in a reasoned debate.
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#1437466 --- 02/21/14 02:46 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Opinions are absolutely, 100%, inarguably, categorically and totally irrelevant to the facts. Opinions mean precisely SQUAT. They are merely social conventions offering nothing more than a possible springboard to ideas. They have no bearing on reality (as it were).

If you seek entertainment, ask for opinions. If desire knowledge, seek out facts.
OK tell me what are the facts regarding the Indian situation in America.
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#1437467 --- 02/21/14 02:48 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
I was making a rhetorical point to draw attention to the ridiculous nature of your earlier comment.
I point out what I think are possible outcomes even if they sound outlandish to you but it really doesn't matter how I ask a question because you have no intention of answering any question, do you?

Wrong. I simply have no intention being manipulated into playing word games that would only serve to promote ideologies that I strongly disagree with.

Got it, now?
I know what Rich and the UCE want to happen. They state it quite plainly. I have no idea what you want to happen...

I told you precisely what I want, only a page ago. You simply don't like the answer and like an intransigent child, you refuse to listen. So, clean the crud out of your head and pay attention.
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#1437468 --- 02/21/14 02:53 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Opinions are absolutely, 100%, inarguably, categorically and totally irrelevant to the facts. Opinions mean precisely SQUAT. They are merely social conventions offering nothing more than a possible springboard to ideas. They have no bearing on reality (as it were).

If you seek entertainment, ask for opinions. If desire knowledge, seek out facts.
OK tell me what are the facts regarding the Indian situation in America.

Oh no. You don't get away with it that easily.

Answer my questions. Let's say... four pages worth.

I'll wait.
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#1437472 --- 02/21/14 03:55 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
I told you precisely what I want, only a page ago. You simply don't like the answer and like an intransigent child, you refuse to listen. So, clean the crud out of your head and pay attention.
Baloney. I went back three pages and have no idea what you are referring to. Most of those pages were you debating with bluezone.
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#1437473 --- 02/21/14 03:58 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Opinions are absolutely, 100%, inarguably, categorically and totally irrelevant to the facts. Opinions mean precisely SQUAT. They are merely social conventions offering nothing more than a possible springboard to ideas. They have no bearing on reality (as it were).

If you seek entertainment, ask for opinions. If desire knowledge, seek out facts.
OK tell me what are the facts regarding the Indian situation in America.
Oh no. You don't get away with it that easily.

Answer my questions. Let's say... four pages worth.
Rich and the UCE have no trouble explaining their position to me. You are just like the Indians now that I think about it. You think you are better than anyone else.
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#1437475 --- 02/21/14 04:13 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Opinions are absolutely, 100%, inarguably, categorically and totally irrelevant to the facts. Opinions mean precisely SQUAT. They are merely social conventions offering nothing more than a possible springboard to ideas. They have no bearing on reality (as it were).

If you seek entertainment, ask for opinions. If desire knowledge, seek out facts.
OK tell me what are the facts regarding the Indian situation in America.
Oh no. You don't get away with it that easily.

Answer my questions. Let's say... four pages worth.
Rich and the UCE have no trouble explaining their position to me. You are just like the Indians now that I think about it. You think you are better than anyone else.

Not better, just better informed.
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#1437476 --- 02/21/14 04:18 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Opinions are absolutely, 100%, inarguably, categorically and totally irrelevant to the facts. Opinions mean precisely SQUAT. They are merely social conventions offering nothing more than a possible springboard to ideas. They have no bearing on reality (as it were). If you seek entertainment, ask for opinions. If desire knowledge, seek out facts.
OK tell me what are the facts regarding the Indian situation in America.
Oh no. You don't get away with it that easily. Answer my questions. Let's say... four pages worth.
Rich and the UCE have no trouble explaining their position to me. You are just like the Indians now that I think about it. You think you are better than anyone else.
Not better, just better informed.
Ya right. Being better informed is no advantage if you can't explain your position to anyone else.
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#1437477 --- 02/21/14 04:19 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
I told you precisely what I want, only a page ago. You simply don't like the answer and like an intransigent child, you refuse to listen. So, clean the crud out of your head and pay attention.
Baloney. I went back three pages and have no idea what you are referring to. Most of those pages were you debating with bluezone.

Hmm... If I were to put, lets say, $500 in a joint escrow account to be paid to you upon failure to provide proof of several example of my questions that you've not yet answered, would you respond in kind if I were to provide proof that you've failed to answer those questions?

A contract should be easy enough to draw up. grin

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#1437478 --- 02/21/14 04:22 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
I told you precisely what I want, only a page ago. You simply don't like the answer and like an intransigent child, you refuse to listen. So, clean the crud out of your head and pay attention.
Baloney. I went back three pages and have no idea what you are referring to. Most of those pages were you debating with bluezone.

Hmm... If I were to put, lets say, $500 in a joint escrow account to be paid to you upon failure to provide proof of several example of my questions that you've not yet answered, would you do the same if I were to provide proof that you've failed to answer those questions?

A contract should be easy enough to draw up.
Oh wow you are running a scam too. How low can you go?
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#1437479 --- 02/21/14 04:23 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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From today's Finger Lakes times. This is what most of the population thinks. She must of been reading my comments on FL1.

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To the Editor:

Hooray for the possibility of a casino opening in Tyre! If the casino takes away just a little of the huge profits that places like Turning Stone and Union Springs are making, I will be very happy. The Cayuga Indian Nation owes Seneca County large amounts of real estate and school taxes, which they do not pay and the rest of us homeowners have to make up somehow.

Unfortunately, the Native American nations have very deep pockets and can afford to hire lobbyists to fight the Tyre casino, which seems to be happening already. Even though I am against smoking, I would not mind seeing the Tyre casino sell cigarettes to pay the sales taxes that the Native Americans nations do not.

Anything that would cut into their millions and millions of profit should be championed by everyone. I know a lot of people are against the casino but look at the bigger picture and the potential for future benefits for Seneca County. Once the casino is built and on the county tax rolls, everyone will benefit. Maybe if the Cayugas really do not want a casino in our area, they might pay their back taxes and continue to pay taxes as the rest of us do. Of course as long as they can get away with not paying, they never will, so any little we can get by having a casino that does pay taxes is a plus for the whole community.

IRENE ORIEND
Waterloo


Edited by kyle585 (02/21/14 04:26 PM)
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#1437481 --- 02/21/14 04:24 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
I told you precisely what I want, only a page ago. You simply don't like the answer and like an intransigent child, you refuse to listen. So, clean the crud out of your head and pay attention.
Baloney. I went back three pages and have no idea what you are referring to. Most of those pages were you debating with bluezone.

Hmm... If I were to put, lets say, $500 in a joint escrow account to be paid to you upon failure to provide proof of several example of my questions that you've not yet answered, would you do the same if I were to provide proof that you've failed to answer those questions?

A contract should be easy enough to draw up.
Oh wow you are running a scam too. How low can you go?

Nope. Simply calling you out on your BS.
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