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#1436788 --- 02/17/14 10:33 AM Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children
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#1436796 --- 02/17/14 11:50 AM Re: Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children [Re: MissingArty]
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Sorry, but I vaccinate my children, I'm on the side of protection, I'd rather have them vaccinated against catching an illness that yes, still exists and being worse off. The only one I argued about was the chicken pox vaccine, however my son's had to have the vaccination in order to attend school. I have seen children suffer from whooping cough and worse, it is not something that I wanted to risk my child's life over. There were absolutely no ill outcomes from having my children vaccinated. With many family members in the medical field, I'm sorry but I'm pro-vaccination!!!
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#1436802 --- 02/17/14 12:17 PM Re: Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children [Re: Dizzyt]
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Children who aren't vaccinated can also become carriers of the viruses that can kill children who are too young to be vaccinated.

Some anti-vaxers correlate the vaccines to the increase in autism diagnoses. Autism was not diagnosed decades ago because it had not been in the DSM. In those days, autistic children were incorrectly diagnosed as schizophrenic, or worse, and were often locked away in institutions.

Vaccinate your children, please.
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#1436913 --- 02/18/14 06:50 AM Re: Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children [Re: MissingArty]
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Good article on an important issue, and a long-standing problem...ty.
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#1437167 --- 02/19/14 10:04 PM Re: Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children [Re: MissingArty]
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Dizzt, I used to have the same opinion. If I knew then what I know now, I would never have let anyone put this poison in my kids. BTW, the number of vaccinations have more than doubled since 1983. See,

http://www.realfarmacy.com/the-lead-vaccine-developer-comes-clean/

http://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork...r-mark-randall/

"Plain and simple, you can't believe in both. The marketing of vaccines relies on fear and intimidation with a constant amplification of a myth that the human body is somehow flawed and incapable of protecting itself against foreign invaders. Humans have lived on the Earth for hundreds of millennia, yet in the span of only one century, mass populations have been duped into believing they can no longer survive on this planet without foreign DNA and man-made chemicals being injected into their bodies. The lies have been repeated so often that they have become the truth for billions of people--and regardless of the resources and logic these people are presented with, they will defend their truth until their time has come to see an alternative perspective. So here's one perspective: If you believe in vaccines, you don't believe in natural health and you certainly don't have any confidence in the human body in all its perfection."

http://preventdisease.com/news/13/020713...uman-Body.shtml

"To understand how this happened, we have to turn the clock back to 1982. That is when four big drug companies (Merck, Wyeth, Lederle, Connaught) blackmailed Congress by threatening to stop selling vaccines in America unless a law was passed giving them complete immunity from prosecution. 21

The pharmaceutical industry knew they were in big trouble because the old, crude whooping cough vaccine in the DPT shot was causing brain inflammation and death in many children; 22 the live oral polio vaccine was crippling children and adults with vaccine strain polio"

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl...big-pharma.aspx
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#1437516 --- 02/22/14 05:03 AM Re: Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children [Re: MissingArty]
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To enter college all students must have proof of an MMR to take classes.... Yet Fordham University is currently having a Mumps outbreak with 13 students already affected. How effective are these titers is you can still get it?
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#1437708 --- 02/24/14 02:11 AM Re: Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children [Re: MissingArty]
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Dr. Mercola interviews Dr. Andrew Wakefield regarding his studies in the UK and the aftermath. Drs. Mercola and Wakefield are not against vaccinations. They are for "safe vaccinations." Dr. Wakefield talks about babies given vaccinations on the first day of life and pediatricians that are torn between doing the right thing and earning a living because vaccinations bring them so much money.

This is a must watch folks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d40suCKnjbI
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#1437709 --- 02/24/14 02:23 AM Re: Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children [Re: MissingArty]
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Our friend Jake's ex-girlfriend is a Christian Scientist, and their son is not vaccinated. She went to court and won the right to allow him to attend public school without the required vaccinations.
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#1437966 --- 02/25/14 09:36 PM Re: Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children [Re: teedoff27]
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How effective are these titers is you can still get it?


Not very effective, and worse, they can cause the same diseases they claim to prevent.
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#1437980 --- 02/26/14 04:08 AM Re: Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children [Re: VM Smith]
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How effective are these titers is you can still get it?


Not very effective, and worse, they can cause the same diseases they claim to prevent.


Exactly.....last June Holly had the mumps.....and she had the MMR vaccination as a child and again for college when she could find her vaccination records.
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#1438074 --- 02/26/14 07:23 PM Re: Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children [Re: MissingArty]
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I can't remember exactly what Wakefield said but, he either said the MMR caused autism, or the MMR given with a host of other vacinnes caused autism. As many parents know, administration of more than one vaccine at a time is a routine procedure in the peds office.

He did say that the Mumps vaccine did not work.

Anyone had a tetanus shot since they came out with the new formula?
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#1439833 --- 03/13/14 12:38 AM Re: Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children [Re: MissingArty]
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The pro-Pharma mainstream media would like everyone to believe that doctors and “scientists” all agree that vaccines are safe and effective, and that dissenters are uneducated or uninformed parents.

Not true. Doctors and scientists who dare to speak out against the status quo, putting their own careers in jeopardy for telling the other side of the story, are of course few, and clearly in the minority. But that does not mean they do not exist. It just means they are fewer in number, because they value truth and the health and well-being of the public more than financial connections to the pharmaceutical industry.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/doctors...not-being-told/
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#1440065 --- 03/15/14 12:15 AM Re: Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children [Re: MissingArty]
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World Without Polio Impossible Because Modern Medicine Turns A Blind Eye At Nutrition

By Bill Sardi
March 12, 2014

The world pays a steep price when its doctors turn a blind eye at nutritional medicine.

Imagine what eradication of polio would be like if it were treated nutritionally.

In 1988 the world set out to inoculate all the billions of people on the planet against the stomach virus known as polio. There were an estimated 350,000 new annual cases of paralyzing polio then which has now been reduced to just a couple hundred cases with a much larger world population. There are an estimated 10 million people walking today that would be crippled from polio if a polio vaccination program hadn’t been started. [World Health Organization] The indigenous wild-strain of the virus was mostly eradicated in 1999 [American Journal Epidemiology 2010] leaving the vaccine derived strain as the predominant form of the virus in circulation!

Despite such progress, total eradication of polio eludes modern medicine because it ignores nutritional medicine.

How did modern medicine almost totally eradicate polio but at the same time doom any possibility of abolishing it?

Vaccines as primary source of the disease

Recognize that polio is an intestinal virus that is highly infectious but that most people fend off as long as they have an adequate functioning immune system. Maybe 1 in 2000 infected individuals develop irreversible paralysis from it. The rest may experience mild symptoms of fever, muscle weakness, headache, nausea and vomiting. Maybe 1 or 2 percent of infected persons develop severe muscle pain and stiffness in the neck or back but not permanent paralysis. [New York State Department of Health]

A major obstacle in the total eradication game is that the polio vaccine is a little bit of the disease itself. Vaccination attempts to give a little bit of this virus to children so they will develop life-long antibodies against it.

Most of the world relies upon an oral rather than injected polio vaccine which results in a prolonged period of excretion of the virus which then results in the vaccine spreading more disease than the existing wild-type virus in the environment. Kids are getting exposed to the polio virus from their friends who were vaccinated. [Israeli Medical Association Journal 2006] Some unvaccinated or under-vaccinated kids are now secondarily getting the strain of the polio virus found in the oral vaccines. [Science 2002]

While only a small number of vaccine-derived cases of polio infection have been reported in 8 outbreaks, researchers surmise that “at a minimum hundreds of thousands and likely several million individuals were infected during these events.” [PLos One 2008] So the planned discontinuance of the oral polio vaccine is likely to result in outbreaks of vaccine-derived viral strains.

Mass over-vaccination

One must begin to realize that you have to vaccinate ~2000 individuals who would have never come down with polio-induced paralysis to spare 1 individual from walking with a crutch for the rest of their lives. Most of these vaccinated individuals would have been exposed to polio naturally and developed lasting antibodies on their own without the aid of a vaccine. So 999% of polio vaccinations do not and could not possibly prevent permanent paralysis. In that sense, the world is massively overvaccinated. Health authorities see nothing wrong with this.

The world polio vaccination program also relies up the vaccine working effectively. However, for various reasons (lack of public hygiene, poor nutrition) vaccine efficacy is as low as 10-20% in some third-world countries. [PLos ONE 2008]

Polio vaccines: from relative low risk to relative high risk

When the oral polio virus vaccine (aka Sabin vaccine) first began to be employed, its low risk for inducing an actual case of polio far outweighed any vaccine-induced cases of polio. But as the numbers of polio cases steeply declined, the risk that the vaccine would induce paralysis proportionately increased.

It can no longer be said that vaccine-derived polio cases are rare. [Journal Infectious Diseases 2006] The oral polio vaccine requires multiple doses and until children are fully immunized, they are still at risk to develop polio. [Global Polio Eradication Initiative]

Outbreaks of polio have occurred in communities with long-term incomplete immunity, usually due to not receiving a full course of the oral vaccine. [Vaccine 2009] As long as the oral polio vaccine remains in use there will be vaccine-derived cases of polio. [Risk Analysis 2013]

In 2011 there were 473 reported cases of vaccine derived polio infection in Africa compared to just 350 cases of polio from the wild-strain in circulation naturally. [Centers for Disease Control Morbidity & Mortality Weekly Report March 23, 2012] [Weekly Epidemiological Record; World Health Organization, Volume 87, No. 38, 2012] If you live in Africa, the vaccine is more threatening than the polio virus. This fact is hidden from view.

Planned change from oral to injectable vaccine

The idea now is to get polio of the box canyon where it has been placed by stopping use of the oral vaccine in favor of the more expensive injectable vaccine (aka inactivated Salk vaccine). Once the native wild-type of polio is undetected for at least 3 years, then the oral vaccine will be discontinued at an estimated savings of $40-50 billion a year. [Centers for Disease Control & Prevention] However, while a dose of the oral vaccine (2 drops) costs only around 10-13 cents, UNICEF pays $5 for a dose of the injected vaccine. [The Economist July 19, 2013]

Who will win the prize?

With the number of cases of polio in steep decline polio is rarely a life-threatening infectious disease. Some health authorities argue that emphasis on complete eradication of polio is shifting limited health care dollars away from saving lives. The extraordinary effort to achieve the impossible dream of total and complete eradication of polio is now being called unethical. There is greater human sympathy for child crippled child who has to rely on crutches than for a child who has died from malaria. It almost appears the medical and research community wants to deliver the prize of complete and total eradication to philanthropist Bill Gates who has donated over $1 billion to polio eradication programs. No sense disappointing such a big donor who funds so many of their pet projects. Ironically the medical community has known for over 10 years than complete eradication of polio is impossible. [Indian Journal Medical Ethics 2012]

Polio can be reconstructed by some mad man even if it disappears

To make matters worse, even if polio were to vanish from the face of the earth, it could be resurrected because it has been synthetically re-created in test tubes by positioning atoms in a sequence with all the properties of the natural virus to survive in nature. [Science 2002] Any derelict laboratory or biology-trained terrorist could resurrect it at any time. It could be used as a military weapon. [Indian Journal Medical Ethics]

Shift health care dollars to life threatening diseases

Public health authorities ponder whether the billions of dollars spent on polio vaccination programs now produce diminishing returns and wonder if sanitation and water programs would be more productive. [Indian Journal Medical Ethics] Ironically, health authorities say clean water supplies and sewage disposal in American cities in the 1950s resulted in delayed individual immunity until a later stage of viral development, leading to mass outbreaks of more severe poliomyelitis. [Journal of Neuroscience 2013]

Will the poliovirus vanish after the last human is cured?

Viruses like the polio virus are not living organisms like bacteria or fungi. An oversimplified definition is that a virus is a glob of genetic material that requires a host’s cells and genetic machinery to replicate. [Medical Express: What Is A Virus?] Authorities with the World Health Organization assume that once fully eradicated from human populations for a prolonged period, inactivation of the virus in soil and sewage will be complete within months.

Primate monkeys could be a reservoir for the polio virus after human planetary eradication but even this possibility is being dismissed. The only remaining polio virus would then be housed inside laboratories. Then the virus vanishes, so they say. [Journal Infectious Diseases 1997] Latent reappearance of the virus is believed to emanate from reliance upon the oral vaccine.

Why doesn’t everyone infected develop paralysis?

Oddly, few if any investigators ask the question why only a small percentage (less than 1 in 100 who are infected) actually show any symptoms and even fewer end up with paralysis (less than 1 in 2000). [Journal of Neuroscience 2013] Individual resistance to the disease is never considered. [Science 2012]

This is where nutrition comes into play.

An important clue is that most animals are resistant to poliovirus infection. [Journal Neuroscience 2013] Except for guinea pigs, fruit bats, primate monkeys and humans, all other mammals internally produce their own vitamin C. Guinea pigs don’t synthesize vitamin C in the liver as do most other animals and develop a paralytic disease called guinea pig lameness similar to polio. Guinea pigs with this condition are reported to recover when given vitamin C. [Laboratory Animals 1997]

Vitamin C was first synthetically made in 1934 so vitamin C food supplements wouldn’t have been available till then. [News Medical Net]

The first vitamin C studies confined to the animal lab

Shortly thereafter Claus W. Jungeblut MD working at the Department of Bacteriology at Columbia University in New York, wrote a series of papers in 1935, 1936, 1937 and 1939 that described his studies involving vitamin C for the treatment of active cases of poliomyelitis.

Dr. Jungeblut timidly used small doses of vitamin C with mixed results in monkeys. [Journal Experimental Medicine 1935] In 1936 Dr. Jungeblut wrote: “vitamin C when administered in the proper dose may possess distinct therapeutic properties in experimental poliomyelitis.” Dr. Jungeblut couldn’t begin to experiment with humans because of ethical considerations. He began semi-successful experiments with monkeys. [Journal Experimental Medicine 1936] In 1937 he reported that about 30% of monkeys injected with vitamin C escaped paralysis compared to just 5% not given the vitamin. [Journal Experimental Medicine 1937]

But by 1939 Dr. Jungeblut was still attempting to sort out variable factors that influenced the effectiveness of vitamin C against this debilitating virus, more specifically “the kind and dosage of vitamin C.” [Journal Experimental Medicine 1939] Then Albert Sabin MD at the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research reported that natural or synthetic vitamin C failed to exert any demonstrable effect on the course of polio. [Journal Experimental Medicine 1939] Dr. Jungeblut gave up his pursuit to prove vitamin C was effective against the poliovirus.

Sadly, Dr. Jungeblut correctly identified hydrogen peroxide as the active anti-viral factor produced by vitamin C but he failed to prove this transient oxidant was dose dependent. Many decades later, only after Researchers at the National Institutes of Health had dismissed vitamin C as an anti-cancer agent, did they discover that intravenous vitamin C achieves concentrations of this vitamin that reliably produces hydrogen peroxide. [Journal American College Nutrition 2000]

The first reported human studies

It took till 1949 for Dr. Fred R. Klenner of Reidsville, North Carolina to dare to use massive doses of vitamin C to quell cases of poliovirus in humans. The results were so encouraging in the early days of the 1948 polio epidemic he published a report. [Southern Medicine & Surgery 1949] Dr. Klenner used what were called “massive doses,” thousands of milligrams of vitamin C by injection and oral dose. Raging fevers were calmed and after 72 hours all 60 of his first group of vitamin C-treated patients were “clinically well after 72 hours.” No toxicity was reported. Oddly, since that time only a few obscure reports published in overseas medical journals are found on the use of vitamin C for polio. [Pubmed.gov]

Despite the fact many inoculated individuals against poliovirus do not develop sufficient antibodies against this infectious disease, particularly among those subjects given the oral vaccine, and that malnutrition is documented as a reason why poliovirus vaccines do not exhibit adequate immunity [British Medical Journal 1975], nutritional therapy is totally ignored.

The entire effort to quell polio is solely given over to vaccination, or spreading a little bit of the disease itself in order to provoke antibodies. It is because of this very approach that polio can never be totally eradicated because the vaccine is always a vehicle for delivery and shedding of the virus. Also, the virus is always housed in some vaccine laboratory.

Imagine the oral vaccine was slowly withdrawn now in favor of vitamin C therapy. Sadly, the prospect for that is not even being discussed.

It is difficult to fathom that not one infectious disease specialist since the late 1940’s has ventured to prove or disprove vitamin C therapy for poliovirus. The grip that anti-vitamin forces have over the healthcare arena is draconian.
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#1440638 --- 03/21/14 06:55 AM Re: Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children [Re: MissingArty]
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Children face the greatest risk from the potential dangers of GM foods



Make GMO Labeling the Law!


Genetically modified (GMO) foods are untested, unlabeled and potentially unsafe, but right now they aren't even labeled.

Take action today to tell your elected officials that it should be up to YOU to decide whether or not to buy GMO foods, and that you deserve labels to help you make the right decisions.



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#1440653 --- 03/21/14 07:52 AM Re: Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children [Re: MissingArty]
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Originally Posted By: MissingArty

Children face the greatest risk from the potential dangers of GM foods



Make GMO Labeling the Law!


Genetically modified (GMO) foods are untested, unlabeled and potentially unsafe, but right now they aren't even labeled.

Take action today to tell your elected officials that it should be up to YOU to decide whether or not to buy GMO foods, and that you deserve labels to help you make the right decisions.



https://secure3.convio.net/fww/site/Advocacy;jsessionid=D26BFED0FA2402880A24B7A242644E9E.app333a?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=1065&s_src=taf_addthis&s_subsrc=gen0#.UyuMXIfPfsI.facebook


I agree, companies that sell food that is non-GMO should be forced to label their products as such.
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#1440654 --- 03/21/14 08:03 AM Re: Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children [Re: MissingArty]
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#1440784 --- 03/21/14 11:19 PM Re: Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children [Re: cwjga]
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I agree, companies that sell food that is non-GMO should be forced to label their products as such.


They'd love that. The reason its not that way now is because the manufacturers that sell GM food are against it, because if it were prominently labeled as such, people would have the consumer info necessary to choose non-GM food, which is the smarter, more healthful choice.

That's what the labeling issue is about. It really doesn't matter which way it might be done; the GM food marketers are against labeling, period.

Providing truthful info is the only way to allow the free market to operate efficiently. Still, people are starting to understand the danger, and manufacturers are starting to respond to consumer wishes. It would happen a lot faster if some large manufacturers (which are large campign contributors) weren't conspiring with government to withhold factual info necessary to make informed choices.

Some imagine that capitalism is the problem, and that we actually have capitalism. We don't. We have crony capitalism, or fascism, which is the melding of business with government.

These regulatory agencies, such as the FDA, the EPA, and the USDA, don't protect us. Rather, they act in concert with some businesses to exclude competitors. It's regulatory capture, and it will occur as long as we're burdened with these agencies.
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#1441001 --- 03/23/14 10:31 AM Re: Vaccinations Harming/Disabling/Killing Children [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Originally Posted By: MissingArty

Children face the greatest risk from the potential dangers of GM foods



Make GMO Labeling the Law!


Genetically modified (GMO) foods are untested, unlabeled and potentially unsafe, but right now they aren't even labeled.

Take action today to tell your elected officials that it should be up to YOU to decide whether or not to buy GMO foods, and that you deserve labels to help you make the right decisions.



https://secure3.convio.net/fww/site/Advocacy;jsessionid=D26BFED0FA2402880A24B7A242644E9E.app333a?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=1065&s_src=taf_addthis&s_subsrc=gen0#.UyuMXIfPfsI.facebook


I agree, companies that sell food that is non-GMO should be forced to label their products as such.


Here's a fair idea. Why don't they BOTH label honestly? Unless, of course, one side has something to be scared of?


Edited by twocats (03/23/14 10:32 AM)
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