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#1422589 --- 10/18/13 03:08 PM Native Americans sharing with all Americans
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Laker,
Thanks for sharing. I can not speak for all Native Americans, but I love seeing Indian names on Sports Teams. In Syracuse NY the SU team was called the Orange Men. Beautiful fierce Icon. Some non-Indians caused it to be changed. Just like Hitler, inversion of the true nature of a situation was his game plan. He brought death and hate to any ear that listened.

BTW, did you know you can turn off the hate talkers on this forum. I have decided to "turn off" Rich-UCE starting Sunday. He brings nothing to the table but hate talk. My ears and eyes no long have to tolerant him.

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#1423647 --- 10/25/13 03:19 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: HeadlessHorseman]
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Go Rich-UCE. Keep giving us the truth.
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#1423658 --- 10/25/13 04:02 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: HeadlessHorseman]
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HeadlessHorseman,

Are you an American citizen? Do you think you are entitled to pay less taxes than the rest of us? Why in the world would that be? Black people came here as slaves in chains and they don't get a tax break because of that. Lets all be
Americans and pay the same taxes and obey the same laws and join together as one nation, not a bunch of little sovereign nations that could eventually destroy the USA. What about the many people that are half Indian, 1/4 Indian, etc? Get over it and join the greatest nation on earth.
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#1423750 --- 10/26/13 11:19 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: HeadlessHorseman]
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I have decided to "turn off" Rich-UCE starting Sunday.


You seem to have implied that you were going to put him on "ignore". Why tell us? Is some action required on our part? Is that why you were kind enough to give the advance notice? If so, thanks, but what's the action?

BTW, please put me on ignore, too, if you haven't already done so. That way, your tender sensibilities cannot be bruised by anything I might say in the future.

I'm not saying that I ever will say anything, mind you, and on some days, I don't say anything at all; I just observe with rapt interest. You know...sort of like turning over rocks at the beach, to see what's underneath.

But surely, we can't be too careful when we're dealing with feelings. Why, only last year 43 Forons died, just because some other poster(s) wounded their egos by stating contrary opinions!

They were all suicides, unfortunately...I think they may have all been trying to make a big public "statement". But hey...stuff happens, and we move on. Cheerfully, and with hope that someday we'll all be equal before the law. I'm not optimistic, understand, as long as the law is administered inflicted by some (I don't blame all, certainly) other people, with their various personal and/or special interests, but it never hurts to have hope.
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#1423753 --- 10/26/13 11:40 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: VM Smith]
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I noticed that HeadlessHorseman only posted twice, both on 10/18/13. I think he must of put everybody on ignore.
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#1423754 --- 10/26/13 11:47 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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#1423782 --- 10/26/13 02:15 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Go Rich-UCE. Keep giving us the truth.
Some people just do not like the truth and chose to stick their head in the sand. But people opposing equality under the law have their own agenda.

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#1425795 --- 11/13/13 12:43 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Go Rich-UCE. Keep giving us the truth.
Some people just do not like the truth and chose to stick their head in the sand. But people opposing equality under the law have their own agenda.

If by "agenda" you mean refusing to buy into your thinly disguised anti-Indian racism, then of course you are correct.

Hitler persecuted an entire racial group while dressing-up his true intentions under the guise of "equality under the law", as well.
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#1425821 --- 11/13/13 10:25 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Go Rich-UCE. Keep giving us the truth.
Some people just do not like the truth and chose to stick their head in the sand. But people opposing equality under the law have their own agenda.
If by "agenda" you mean refusing to buy into your thinly disguised anti-Indian racism, then of course you are correct.

Hitler persecuted an entire racial group while dressing-up his true intentions under the guise of "equality under the law", as well.
So anybody that wants equality under the law for everyone is a racist? How ridiculous.
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#1425836 --- 11/13/13 01:36 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Go Rich-UCE. Keep giving us the truth.
Some people just do not like the truth and chose to stick their head in the sand. But people opposing equality under the law have their own agenda.
If by "agenda" you mean refusing to buy into your thinly disguised anti-Indian racism, then of course you are correct.

Hitler persecuted an entire racial group while dressing-up his true intentions under the guise of "equality under the law", as well.
So anybody that wants equality under the law for everyone is a racist? How ridiculous.


Ridiculous? Only if the white-laced Doc Marten's fit; as they do in THIS case Kyle. UCE/Seneca Cayuga Chapter has it's philosophical roots in Wisner Kinne's virulent anti-Indian Seneca County Liberation Organization.

Check out the UCE's piece-of-work Vickers as he tripped over his trigger-fingered tongue:

Oneidas accuse UCE head of racism
David Vickers defends "these people can't be shot" comment on radio show.


Friday, December 08, 2006
By Peter Lyman
Staff writer

The Oneida Indian Nation has accused Upstate Citizens for Equality President David Vickers of stirring racial hatred with comments he made this week on a Syracuse radio show.

Vickers and WSYR talk show host Jim Reith were discussing the U.S. Supreme Court's refusal to hear an appeal of a state court ruling that the Oneidas' Turning Stone casino is operating illegally. UCE opposes land claims and American Indian sovereignty.

"We'll have to follow the legal channels," Vickers said. "We live in a modern society. These people can't be shot, so we have to try to do what we can legally."

Reith interrupted, "Not that you would want them shot."

"No, of course not," Vickers said. "But the kind of lawlessness that's taking place is absurd, and previous generations would not have tolerated their leadership doing things like this."

A statement Thursday from the Oneidas said, "Vickers is seeding the language of racial hatred throughout Upstate New York and stirring up threats of violence. . . . (UCE's) words show they intend harm, and their actions threaten Indian people."

Vickers said Thursday evening he was "making a comparison to how we do behave in a civilized society. . . . We seek to have laws enforced. That's all."

Contending the casino is illegal, Vickers said, "We're not anti-Indian; we're pro-equality."

(c) 2006 The Post-Standard. Used with permission.



Pro-equality? BS. It's about UEC's racist anti-Indian sovereignty stance:

"Nationally, both the National Congress of American Indians and the United South and Eastern Tribes, have challenged Potocki's organization, UCE, as anti-Indian and as a hate group. UCE voices strongly deny the hate label and point to their inclusion of a few distressed and confused Indian individuals among their supporters. But whether expressed racially or legalistically or politically, the direct and completely hostile attack by groups such as UCE on the economic and political base of Indian tribes is truly impossible to ignore. Gone is the obvious snarl of yesteryear; and no one wants to be too quick with accusations of racism, but is perhaps now the noose simply hiding behind a smile of civility and the claim of "nothing personal?" Ever since David Duke replaced his white robes for the legitimate veneer of suit and tie, organizations taking aim at peoples of color have become increasingly sophisticated. They are now much more cleverly attuned to image and language.

It may not be racist in the sense of a KKK mob burning your house and lynching your men, but the clear outright call for the eradication of all the rights your ancestors retained for you, of everything that gives you identity and legal recognition, everything that gives your children and future generations an opportunity at economic justice in America, this is clearly a hostile intention, directed specifically at the destruction of Indian governments and, therefore, at the very existence of our peoples."



Peel back it's veneer; UCE reveals itself as nothing but another Euro-centric hate group poisoning the waters.

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#1425987 --- 11/14/13 08:30 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Teonan]
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Usually the biggest racists are the ones that scream racism the most. Right Teonan?

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#1426015 --- 11/15/13 08:22 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Teonan]
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Perhaps Timbo can enlighten us as to Hitler promoting equality under the law. But I highly doubt that Timbo has ANY facts.

Prior to 1938, when Hitler's new restrictions were put in place, the earlier Weimar Republic government had already enacted gun registration. "The laws adopted by the Weimar Republic intended to disarm Nazis and Communists were sufficiently discretionary that the Nazis managed to use them against their enemies once they were in power," says Clayton Cramer, author of the book Firing Back, as told to the website The Straight Dope. So what Hitler essentially did was strengthen existing German law (which was aimed primarily at preventing Jews from being armed).

And that is the all-important difference. Bernard E. Harcourt, writing for the University of Chicago Law School and Political Science Department, notes:

If you read the 1938 Nazi gun laws closely and compare them to earlier 1928 Weimar gun legislation – as a straightforward exercise of statutory interpretation – several conclusions become clear. First, with regard to possession and carrying of firearms, the Nazi regime relaxed the gun laws that were in place in Germany at the time the Nazis seized power. Second, the Nazi gun laws of 1938 specifically banned Jewish persons from obtaining a license to manufacture firearms or ammunition. Third, approximately eight months after enacting the 1938 Nazi gun laws, Hitler imposed regulations prohibiting Jewish persons from possessing any dangerous weapons, including firearms.

The point was, Hitler had it in for the Jews, so he first disarmed them before carrying out his murderous campaign against them. And, unable to resist, millions died.

Perhaps Timbo or Teonan can explain how applying laws differently to different races is not racist or un-American. Of course they can't without looking like the fools that they are because applying laws differently to different races is racist.

What Wisner Kinney did, through the SCLO, was nix the deal with the Seneca Army Depot giving the Cayuga tribe a SEVENTH FINAL settlement by getting our government representative in congress to represent us. He was a Naval officer and had a PhD through Harvard. I'd say that's a mite bit more than King Ray who merely attended Harvard to get an idea how to become a better scam artist. Wisner was a leader and motivator who promoted equality under the law. He was obviously very good at it because those who promote special privileges based on race and those who support equality under the law both remember him well.

Wisner spoke at our first rally. But we were unaware of the SCLO when the Seneca-Cayuga UCE chapter formed. The Seneca-Cayuga chapter of UCE voted to change from NYSCER to become a chapter of UCE through the Oneida UCE in January 1999. Thanks to the SCLO and Wisner we hadn't lost before we started.

It's just as well no one knows your names so you don't feel the need to hide when you're in public.

The Oneida King of Racism itself crying racism is all he has to obscure his own actions of bulldozing the homes and kidnapping the kids of the Oneida tribal members who oppose him. He is neither the tribal government or even an Oneida. King Ray is just a mob boss beneficiary of the Warrior Society. For the wolf to cry wolf is the biggest joke of all. It's always about him even though none of it's about him or even the Indians.

Dave Vicker's comment was in reference to the politicians who refused to enforce the law. Our lawsuit was against the State, not the Indians. We won in court against the State, not the Indians. The Governor refused to enforce the law after he lost. The reference to not shooting them and following legal channels was in reference to the politicians, not the Indians.

But King Ray jumped on it and Dave didn't clarify explicitly after the fact because the whole thing was absurd. We had won in court and King Ray had bought the Governor. It was the Governor's job to enforce the law. Ray's inference to shooting Indians was preposterous.


I.e.: "Reith interrupted, 'Not that you would want them shot.'"

"No, of course not," Vickers said. "But the kind of lawlessness that's taking place is absurd, and previous generations would not have tolerated THEIR LEADERSHIP doing things like this."

Goooollllieeee Mr. Toeman, ya think UCE President Dave Vicker's reference to "their leadership" referred to Indians?

As for the NCA and USET's label, that was just another rubber stamp introduced by King Ray's cronies who were USET officers that year. And the NCA would oppose anyone who had successfully enlightened politicians and courts to repeatedly defeat scams to perpetuate their agenda of special rights for one race of Americans.

The only thing racist and un-American is your own diatribe.

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#1426094 --- 11/16/13 03:31 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: RJFDdriver]
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Originally Posted By: RJFDdriver
Usually the biggest racists are the ones that scream racism the most. Right Teonan?

Do you have any evidence to support that hypothesis, or is that statement just another knee-jerk defense of racism to draw attention away from the ugly facts?

That's NOT a rhetorical question. Please feel free to take a stab at explaining away the obvious ludicrousness of your assertion.
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#1426095 --- 11/16/13 04:06 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Perhaps Timbo can enlighten us as to Hitler promoting equality under the law. But I highly doubt that Timbo has ANY facts.

Prior to 1938, when Hitler's new restrictions were put in place, the earlier Weimar Republic government had already enacted gun registration. "The laws adopted by the Weimar Republic intended to disarm Nazis and Communists were sufficiently discretionary that the Nazis managed to use them against their enemies once they were in power," says Clayton Cramer, author of the book Firing Back, as told to the website The Straight Dope. So what Hitler essentially did was strengthen existing German law (which was aimed primarily at preventing Jews from being armed).

And that is the all-important difference. Bernard E. Harcourt, writing for the University of Chicago Law School and Political Science Department, notes:

If you read the 1938 Nazi gun laws closely and compare them to earlier 1928 Weimar gun legislation – as a straightforward exercise of statutory interpretation – several conclusions become clear. First, with regard to possession and carrying of firearms, the Nazi regime relaxed the gun laws that were in place in Germany at the time the Nazis seized power. Second, the Nazi gun laws of 1938 specifically banned Jewish persons from obtaining a license to manufacture firearms or ammunition. Third, approximately eight months after enacting the 1938 Nazi gun laws, Hitler imposed regulations prohibiting Jewish persons from possessing any dangerous weapons, including firearms.

The point was, Hitler had it in for the Jews, so he first disarmed them before carrying out his murderous campaign against them. And, unable to resist, millions died.


Perhaps Timbo or Teonan can explain how applying laws differently to different races is not racist or un-American. Of course they can't without looking like the fools that they are because applying laws differently to different races is racist.

What Wisner Kinney did, through the SCLO, was nix the deal with the Seneca Army Depot giving the Cayuga tribe a SEVENTH FINAL settlement by getting our government representative in congress to represent us. He was a Naval officer and had a PhD through Harvard. I'd say that's a mite bit more than King Ray who merely attended Harvard to get an idea how to become a better scam artist. Wisner was a leader and motivator who promoted equality under the law. He was obviously very good at it because those who promote special privileges based on race and those who support equality under the law both remember him well.

Wisner spoke at our first rally. But we were unaware of the SCLO when the Seneca-Cayuga UCE chapter formed. The Seneca-Cayuga chapter of UCE voted to change from NYSCER to become a chapter of UCE through the Oneida UCE in January 1999. Thanks to the SCLO and Wisner we hadn't lost before we started.

It's just as well no one knows your names so you don't feel the need to hide when you're in public.

The Oneida King of Racism itself crying racism is all he has to obscure his own actions of bulldozing the homes and kidnapping the kids of the Oneida tribal members who oppose him. He is neither the tribal government or even an Oneida. King Ray is just a mob boss beneficiary of the Warrior Society. For the wolf to cry wolf is the biggest joke of all. It's always about him even though none of it's about him or even the Indians.

Dave Vicker's comment was in reference to the politicians who refused to enforce the law. Our lawsuit was against the State, not the Indians. We won in court against the State, not the Indians. The Governor refused to enforce the law after he lost. The reference to not shooting them and following legal channels was in reference to the politicians, not the Indians.

But King Ray jumped on it and Dave didn't clarify explicitly after the fact because the whole thing was absurd. We had won in court and King Ray had bought the Governor. It was the Governor's job to enforce the law. Ray's inference to shooting Indians was preposterous.


I.e.: "Reith interrupted, 'Not that you would want them shot.'"

"No, of course not," Vickers said. "But the kind of lawlessness that's taking place is absurd, and previous generations would not have tolerated THEIR LEADERSHIP doing things like this."

Goooollllieeee Mr. Toeman, ya think UCE President Dave Vicker's reference to "their leadership" referred to Indians?

As for the NCA and USET's label, that was just another rubber stamp introduced by King Ray's cronies who were USET officers that year. And the NCA would oppose anyone who had successfully enlightened politicians and courts to repeatedly defeat scams to perpetuate their agenda of special rights for one race of Americans.

The only thing racist and un-American is your own diatribe.

Not nearly as racist as the Venom spewing filth that you lifted straight from Alex Jones' INFOWARS Ultra-Rightist Bureau of Propaganda and Conspiracy Mindspeak.

http://www.infowars.com/yes-hitler-reall...r-gas-chambers/

Then there are the thinly veiled illicitations by Bernard E. Harcourt couching his hidden agenda to deregulated business laws, typical of the Chicago School of Economics adjunct education model.

Nothing but a steaming heap of neo-corporatist horse hockey, loosely wrapped in warm, fuzzy new-agey academic gobbledygook.

It's also a shame that NONE of this has to do with the thread topic nor does that tired old gun-rights historical argument address the fact that Hitler most CERTAINLY DID portray the Germanic Arians as the victims of racial subjugation and discrimination by the "Jewish Elite".
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#1426156 --- 11/16/13 11:04 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Sure Timbo. No proof to your claim of Hitler promoting equality under the law so your only rebuttal is an attack on a source without proving them wrong. Regardless, enforcing the same laws differently based on race is racist. That's what you promote while claiming those promoting equality under the law regardless of race are racist. If it looks like a duck . . . .

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#1426216 --- 11/18/13 04:14 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Sure Timbo. No proof to your claim of Hitler promoting equality under the law so your only rebuttal is an attack on a source without proving them wrong. Regardless, enforcing the same laws differently based on race is racist. That's what you promote while claiming those promoting equality under the law regardless of race are racist. If it looks like a duck . . . .

Nonsense. I claim no such thing.

I'm claiming that you and UCE, CERA/CERF, et al, use the idiom of "equality under the law" as a subterfuge in order to promote your true motives, of de-empowerment of Native Americans as a way to serve the interests of racists, corporatists, commercial developers and other various parties who stand to benefit the most by denying the sovereign rights of those who's land was previously taken from them by theft, manipulation, murder, war, genocide and most currently, legal chicanery.

Hitler repeatedly accused Jews of manipulating the system to lord control over the world's wealth and policies, thereby denying the "rightful Arian masters", their ascendancy over the rest of the world.

Please, feel free to continuing to deny the well-understood and indisputable historical record, so that you may continue to expose your true and nearly transparent racist efforts. If that fails, just point everyone in the direction of the CERF/CERA website and I'm sure that the sugar-coated, cryptic racism contained within will soon become crystal clear to anyone with eyes and a brainstem... and actually, eyes are optional.
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#1426217 --- 11/18/13 04:24 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: HeadlessHorseman]
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Originally Posted By: HeadlessHorseman
Laker,
Thanks for sharing. I can not speak for all Native Americans, but I love seeing Indian names on Sports Teams. In Syracuse NY the SU team was called the Orange Men. Beautiful fierce Icon. Some non-Indians caused it to be changed. Just like Hitler, inversion of the true nature of a situation was his game plan. He brought death and hate to any ear that listened.

BTW, did you know you can turn off the hate talkers on this forum. I have decided to "turn off" Rich-UCE starting Sunday. He brings nothing to the table but hate talk. My ears and eyes no long have to tolerant him.

Michael & Renie Richards 1970 Union

"If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out!" -Mathew 5:29-30
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#1426227 --- 11/18/13 09:09 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Regardless, enforcing the same laws differently based on race is racist.
Absolutely. Keep up the good work Rich.
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#1426236 --- 11/18/13 02:05 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Sure Timbo. No proof to your claim of Hitler promoting equality under the law so your only rebuttal is an attack on a source without proving them wrong. Regardless, enforcing the same laws differently based on race is racist. That's what you promote while claiming those promoting equality under the law regardless of race are racist. If it looks like a duck . . . .

Nonsense. I claim no such thing.

I'm claiming that you and UCE, CERA/CERF, et al, use the idiom of "equality under the law" as a subterfuge in order to promote your true motives, of de-empowerment of Native Americans as a way to serve the interests of racists, corporatists, commercial developers and other various parties who stand to benefit the most by denying the sovereign rights of those who's land was previously taken from them by theft, manipulation, murder, war, genocide and most currently, legal chicanery.

Hitler repeatedly accused Jews of manipulating the system to lord control over the world's wealth and policies, thereby denying the "rightful Arian masters", their ascendancy over the rest of the world.

Please, feel free to continuing to deny the well-understood and indisputable historical record, so that you may continue to expose your true and nearly transparent racist efforts. If that fails, just point everyone in the direction of the CERF/CERA website and I'm sure that the sugar-coated, cryptic racism contained within will soon become crystal clear to anyone with eyes and a brainstem... and actually, eyes are optional.

The de-empowerment of Native Americans??? And your ASSUMPTION that Native Americans are "EMPOWERED" is based on what? That they were here first? So your ASSUMPTION that they are "empowered" resulting in the same laws being applied differently to different races is not racist? You deny claiming just that and then argue why it should be so. Your denial is facetious and bogus. You're a duck.

Your generalizations of theft, manipulation, murder, war, genocide, and most currently legal chicanery do not apply to tribes in NYS unless you are referring to the tribal wars amongst themselves and the tribes they stole the lands from and committed genocide on. Legal chicanery is an interesting one though being it is the tribes themselves which have promoted such through millions of whitewashed taxpayer dollars into lobbying and campaign funds, likely to include brown paper bags of bribery.

The interests of racists, corporatists, commercial developers and other various parties who stand to benefit the most are those using the system to operate on tribal lands where the laws based on race apply differently.

The only thing crystal clear is that you're in self denial that you are the racist.

It's unfortunate that you did not learn anything from the CERA/CERF website. CERF/CERA does not tolerate racial prejudice of any kind. We don't knowingly associate with anyone who discriminates against people based on race. CERF/CERA supports and defends the constitutional rights of Indians and non-Indians. Our mission is to change federal Indian policies that restrict or threaten the individual rights of Indians and non-Indians living on or near Indian reservations.

Our position is critical of discriminatory federal policies and laws that deny Indian reservation residents their Constitutional rights. It is our intent to raise awareness and debate over these federal policies, regulations and the poorly understood body of "Indian Law". Our criticism of these federal policies and laws should not be construed as prejudice against Indian people or culture.

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#1426239 --- 11/18/13 03:33 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Great post Rich. You put so much time and effort into this it is unbelievable.
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#1426260 --- 11/18/13 10:57 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Sure Timbo. No proof to your claim of Hitler promoting equality under the law so your only rebuttal is an attack on a source without proving them wrong. Regardless, enforcing the same laws differently based on race is racist. That's what you promote while claiming those promoting equality under the law regardless of race are racist. If it looks like a duck . . . .

Nonsense. I claim no such thing.

I'm claiming that you and UCE, CERA/CERF, et al, use the idiom of "equality under the law" as a subterfuge in order to promote your true motives, of de-empowerment of Native Americans as a way to serve the interests of racists, corporatists, commercial developers and other various parties who stand to benefit the most by denying the sovereign rights of those who's land was previously taken from them by theft, manipulation, murder, war, genocide and most currently, legal chicanery.

Hitler repeatedly accused Jews of manipulating the system to lord control over the world's wealth and policies, thereby denying the "rightful Arian masters", their ascendancy over the rest of the world.

Please, feel free to continuing to deny the well-understood and indisputable historical record, so that you may continue to expose your true and nearly transparent racist efforts. If that fails, just point everyone in the direction of the CERF/CERA website and I'm sure that the sugar-coated, cryptic racism contained within will soon become crystal clear to anyone with eyes and a brainstem... and actually, eyes are optional.

The de-empowerment of Native Americans??? And your ASSUMPTION that Native Americans are "EMPOWERED" is based on what? That they were here first? So your ASSUMPTION that they are "empowered" resulting in the same laws being applied differently to different races is not racist? You deny claiming just that and then argue why it should be so. Your denial is facetious and bogus. You're a duck.

Your generalizations of theft, manipulation, murder, war, genocide, and most currently legal chicanery do not apply to tribes in NYS unless you are referring to the tribal wars amongst themselves and the tribes they stole the lands from and committed genocide on. Legal chicanery is an interesting one though being it is the tribes themselves which have promoted such through millions of whitewashed taxpayer dollars into lobbying and campaign funds, likely to include brown paper bags of bribery.

The interests of racists, corporatists, commercial developers and other various parties who stand to benefit the most are those using the system to operate on tribal lands where the laws based on race apply differently.

The only thing crystal clear is that you're in self denial that you are the racist.

It's unfortunate that you did not learn anything from the CERA/CERF website. CERF/CERA does not tolerate racial prejudice of any kind. We don't knowingly associate with anyone who discriminates against people based on race. CERF/CERA supports and defends the constitutional rights of Indians and non-Indians. Our mission is to change federal Indian policies that restrict or threaten the individual rights of Indians and non-Indians living on or near Indian reservations.

Our position is critical of discriminatory federal policies and laws that deny Indian reservation residents their Constitutional rights. It is our intent to raise awareness and debate over these federal policies, regulations and the poorly understood body of "Indian Law". Our criticism of these federal policies and laws should not be construed as prejudice against Indian people or culture.

Most telling is how you don't defend a single point levied against you argument. Instead, you simply turn the argument on it's head, hoping that no one will notice your reflexive dodge and reversal of charges. Predictably adolescent, holly transparent and of course totally ineffective.

Your position is nothing but a carefully parsed argument using the words of equality to (in fact) bring about the exact opposite. As increasingly more and more light is shone upon the likes of UCE, CERA/CERF and other racially discriminatory organizations and movements, we can watch fondly as you and your ilk are relegated to historical irrelevancy, that is, until the next new racist permutation inevitably burps to the surface of the primordial pool of ignorance that you wallow in.
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#1426429 --- 11/20/13 01:47 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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What Wisner Kinney did, through the SCLO, was nix the deal with the Seneca Army Depot giving the Cayuga tribe a SEVENTH FINAL settlement by getting our government representative in congress to represent us. He was a Naval officer and had a PhD through Harvard. Wisner was a leader and motivator...

He was obviously very good at it.

Wisner spoke at our first rally.

Thanks to the SCLO and Wisner.....


Yeah-ok Richie, pause the nuthugging, treats from your Master:

Indians are sneaky, they fight dirty! ~~ ~~ Head lice from those kids, not in our schools! ~~ Repel communist influence!

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#1426431 --- 11/20/13 03:00 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Teonan]
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Teonan, my god you have no clue what you are talking about. You just ramble on in meaningless gibberish.
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#1426436 --- 11/20/13 05:08 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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Actually, it made a lot of sense and is accurate to boot.
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#1426491 --- 11/21/13 05:18 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Actually, it made a lot of sense and is accurate to boot.
LOL. Most of her posts are incomprehensible.
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#1426508 --- 11/21/13 07:14 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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Only a glimpse of SCLO's eminent leader feeding raw-meat hate speech to the locals.

Finding it hard to digest Kyle?


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#1426510 --- 11/21/13 07:35 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

Only a glimpse of SCLO's eminent leader feeding raw-meat hate speech to the locals.

Finding it hard to digest Kyle?
The only hate speech I that I can see is coming from you for some obscure dream that can never happen. At least it can't happen without destroying the USA. It that your goal?

A nation divided cannot stand. Abraham Lincoln knew that. It is too bad you do not.


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#1426583 --- 11/21/13 02:33 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Predictably adolescent, holly transparent


When I knew her, she was somewhat older, and had become completely unpredictable.
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#1426585 --- 11/21/13 02:35 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

Only a glimpse of SCLO's eminent leader feeding raw-meat hate speech to the locals.

Finding it hard to digest Kyle?
The only hate speech I that I can see is coming from you for some obscure dream that can never happen. At least it can't happen without destroying the USA. It that your goal?


Ok Kyle. I'm the fountain of hate. You can stop self cutting now.


In the spirit of this thread, 'Native Americans sharing with all Americans', Chief Lyons offers us pause to smile and mull over his thoughts.



"We Are Part of the Earth"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSwmqZ272As


Chief Oren Lyons was born to a traditional family and grew up on the Onondaga and Seneca reservations in upstate New York. Never forgetting the traditional ways of life his family taught him, Chief Lyons went on to become a successful commercial artist before returning in 1970 to take up his responsibility as Chief and Faithkeeper of the Turtle Clan of the Onondaga Nation. As Faithkeeper, Chief Oren is responsible for maintaining the customs and traditions of his people, while representing their message to the world community. A world renowned leader and visionary for peace, justice, and sovereignty, Chief Oren Lyons has worked with Indigenous Peoples around the world as well as the United Nations for recognition of Indigenous rights. He has addressed the UN General Assembly and other gatherings of world leaders, is a member of the advisory committee for the UN Environment Program, and continues to share the wisdom of the Haudenosaunee as a speaker, author, publisher, and board member of the Traditional Circle of Indian Elders and Youth http://www.twocircles.org/ as well as the Seventh Generation Fund for Indian Development.
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#1426586 --- 11/21/13 02:38 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Ok Kyle. I'm the fountain of hate. You can stop self cutting now.
Comments like self cutting show just how far you are removed from reality. Exactly what is that supposed to mean in this context? This an example of how hard it is to figure out what you are trying to say.


Edited by kyle585 (11/21/13 03:07 PM)
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#1426589 --- 11/21/13 02:42 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Teonan]
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As Faithkeeper, Chief Oren is responsible for maintaining the customs and traditions of his people,
I have no problem with them maintaining their own customs and traditions. Most Americans will do that next week when we celebrate Thanksgiving. All I am asking is that as American citizens they follow American law and pay their just taxes as the rest of us must do. What in the world is wrong with that?


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#1426596 --- 11/21/13 03:08 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Teonan]
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Yeah-ok Richie, pause the nuthugging, treats from your Master:
Another prime example of your meaningless gibberish
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#1426605 --- 11/21/13 04:29 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: VM Smith]
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Predictably adolescent, holly transparent


When I knew her, she was somewhat older, and had become completely unpredictable.

Like you never have autocorrect issues.
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#1426606 --- 11/21/13 04:34 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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Yeah-ok Richie, pause the nuthugging, treats from your Master:
Another prime example of your meaningless gibberish


Wow Kyle. Frankly I'm blown away that Wisner's devil-tongue doesn't stick in your craw as much as my gibberish.

Originally Posted By: Teonan

Yeah-ok Richie, pause the nuthugging, treats from your Master:
Indians are sneaky, they fight dirty! ~~ ~~ Head lice from those kids, not in our schools! ~~ Repel communist influence!

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#1426607 --- 11/21/13 04:36 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
As Faithkeeper, Chief Oren is responsible for maintaining the customs and traditions of his people,
I have no problem with them maintaining their own customs and traditions. Most Americans will do that next week when we celebrate Thanksgiving. All I am asking is that as American citizens they follow American law and pay their just taxes as the rest of us must do. What in the world is wrong with that?

What's wrong with THAT, is that the vast majority of "Interests" cooperating with the likes of UCE, CERA/CERF, etc, are at least closely aligned with (if not directly a part of) died-in-the-wool white-supremacist, corporate land-grabbers, hate-based fundamentalist religious groups and other assorted anti-sovereignty isolationists (mostly white).
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#1426615 --- 11/21/13 05:31 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Teonan
As Faithkeeper, Chief Oren is responsible for maintaining the customs and traditions of his people,
I have no problem with them maintaining their own customs and traditions. Most Americans will do that next week when we celebrate Thanksgiving. All I am asking is that as American citizens they follow American law and pay their just taxes as the rest of us must do. What in the world is wrong with that?

What's wrong with THAT, is that the vast majority of "Interests" cooperating with the likes of UCE, CERA/CERF, etc, are at least closely aligned with (if not directly a part of) died-in-the-wool white-supremacist, corporate land-grabbers, hate-based fundamentalist religious groups and other assorted anti-sovereignty isolationists (mostly white).
Fantastic racist tirade Timbo. Keep up the bad work. LOL

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#1426619 --- 11/21/13 05:47 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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assorted anti-sovereignty isolationists (mostly white).
It sounds like anti-sovereignty isolationists is a contradiction of words. You know, like army intelligence. LOL It is you that want the NA isolated, segregated and above the law. And do you hate the NA's that agree with us too?

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#1426780 --- 11/23/13 01:35 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
assorted anti-sovereignty isolationists (mostly white).
It sounds like anti-sovereignty isolationists is a contradiction of words. You know, like army intelligence. LOL It is you that want the NA isolated, segregated and above the law. And do you hate the NA's that agree with us too?

I don't "hate" anyone. I do however find most detestable, the behavior of you and your organization.

Most people recognize your use of pseudo-science, cherry picking of facts and clear intent to eliminate Native American sovereignty while demanding your own exclusive sovereignty as you just implied above.

Every time you attempt to re-wright history or manipulate the facts by laying the mantle of racism around the necks of those who strive to expose the TRUE RACIST EFFORTS of you, UCE, CERA & CERF, you can be sure to be met point-for-point with the actual facts over your legal maneuverings, preposterous lies and historical distortions.
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#1426783 --- 11/23/13 01:52 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Teonan]
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Wow Kyle. Frankly I'm blown away that Wisner's devil-tongue doesn't stick in your craw as much as my gibberish.
I never met the man. It is easy to see the problems of the claims of Native American sovereignty when they refuse to pay their taxes.
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#1426784 --- 11/23/13 01:54 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Most people recognize your use of pseudo-science, cherry picking of facts and clear intent to eliminate Native American sovereignty while demanding your own exclusive sovereignty as you just implied above.
Any claims to Native American sovereignty should have been eliminated when the USA expanded from sea to shining sea.
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#1426787 --- 11/23/13 03:06 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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There are only three sovereigns in the Constitution. Federal, State and Individual. FACT

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#1426789 --- 11/23/13 03:15 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Oh, and HAPPY THANKSGIVING

WATCHING "America's Hometown Thanksgiving" celebration on PACTV or

http://www.USAThanksgiving.com

A festival in Plymouth, MA that was started by cousin
John Talcott to honor the Pilgrims.

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#1426808 --- 11/23/13 06:28 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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while demanding your own exclusive sovereignty as you just implied above.
And HOW does demanding equality under the law regardless of race create an exclusive sovereignty other than those three granted in the Constitution? You're the FACT man and you just keep rambling and name calling.

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#1426836 --- 11/23/13 11:43 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
while demanding your own exclusive sovereignty as you just implied above.
And HOW does demanding equality under the law regardless of race create an exclusive sovereignty other than those three granted in the Constitution? You're the FACT man and you just keep rambling and name calling.

Now you're confusing name calling with stating "facts".
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#1426861 --- 11/24/13 11:47 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Teonan]
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Ok Kyle. I'm the fountain of hate.


At last, dawn breaks over Marblehead. Who knows what this tiny sliver of budding self-awareness might lead to? Perhaps you'll even learn to discuss things in an adult manner, without the constant gusher of childish insults that is your MO.

Trying to seriously discuss anything with you is like bathing in a sewer; it's so not worth the effort.
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#1426866 --- 11/24/13 12:57 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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It is you that want the NA isolated, segregated and above the law.

Most people recognize your use of pseudo-science, cherry picking of facts and clear intent to eliminate Native American sovereignty while demanding your own exclusive sovereignty as you just implied above.
Exclusive this: http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.co...od-whole-152358

When should tribal sovereignty for all trump the sovereignty of one tribe? That's a question many in Indian country are pondering as the U.S. Supreme Court sets its sight on a case that could trump tribal sovereign immunity and off-reservation gaming for all tribes.

Indian country beyond Bay Mills has found itself in a difficult position. The easiest way to make the larger gaming and immunity problems go away would be for Bay Mills to waive its immunity, let Michigan sue it, and then let lower courts decide the immunity issue and/or the legality of the casino. Tribes, lobbyists and Indian legal experts have implored Bay Mills to do something – anything – to keep the case away from this clutch of justices. “Stay away from the Supreme Court!” John Echohawk, director of NARF, and Jefferson Keel, former president of the NCAI, said in a joint commentary released in early September—yes, even if that means waiving sovereign legal immunity, the legal doctrine that prevents a sovereign tribe from being sued without the sovereign tribe's consent and one of the major tenets of tribal sovereignty.

[Note: That's what OIN did in the OIN Foreclosure case because they knew they were going to lose and if they lost, tribes everywhere would lose their sovereign immunity. The sovereign immunity defense was a fluke established by SCOTUS as Common Law. It’s based on the federal trust relationship and without the federal sovereign, which is what the tribal sovereignty depends on as an incompetent ward, then tribes have no real sovereignty. That’s why their lawsuits go nowhere unless the feds join with them. I.e.: Cayuga land claim, Onondaga land claim, . . .

Hopefully the Cayuga are as arrogant as you are and refuse to drop their sovereign immunity in their Foreclosure case. Then say adieu to the tribal sovereignty facade and YOUR racist claim to their "entitlements". ]

Nobody owes you a darn thing. So stop your crybaby whining and get over it.

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#1426904 --- 11/24/13 05:15 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: RJFDdriver
Usually the biggest racists are the ones that scream racism the most. Right Teonan?

Do you have any evidence to support that hypothesis, or is that statement just another knee-jerk defense of racism to draw attention away from the ugly facts?

That's NOT a rhetorical question. Please feel free to take a stab at explaining away the obvious ludicrousness of your assertion.
The bastardization - yes, bastardization - of racism in 2013 America is out of control. It has become the default go-to for liberals whenever they cannot defend a policy in and of itself. Tragically, it diminishes the concept of real racism - not unlike the boy who cried wolf.

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#1426948 --- 11/24/13 10:39 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Nobody owes you a darn thing. So stop your crybaby whining and get over it.

When did I EVER suggest that anybody owes me a ANYthing, Hmm?

Stick to the facts, Junior.
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#1426958 --- 11/24/13 11:07 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: RJFDdriver
Usually the biggest racists are the ones that scream racism the most. Right Teonan?

Do you have any evidence to support that hypothesis, or is that statement just another knee-jerk defense of racism to draw attention away from the ugly facts?

That's NOT a rhetorical question. Please feel free to take a stab at explaining away the obvious ludicrousness of your assertion.
The bastardization - yes, bastardization - of racism in 2013 America is out of control. It has become the default go-to for liberals whenever they cannot defend a policy in and of itself. Tragically, it diminishes the concept of real racism - not unlike the boy who cried wolf.

Riiight... because Conservatives have such a stellar reputation and spotless historical record of supporting "Equality Under the Law".

Conservative Racism - A Primer:
http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/...tudy_shows.html
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/the-truth-about-republican-racism-and-the-southern-strategy/
http://race.eserver.org/competing-sovereignties.html
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/05/conservative-fantasy-history-of-civil-rights.html
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/28/republicans-party-of-civil-rights
http://www.dickshovel.com/anti.html
https://www.google.com/#q=history+republican+equality
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...female-equality
http://intercontinentalcry.org/anti-indian-conference/
http://www.samefacts.com/2013/07/watchin...-at-the-record/
http://prospect.org/article/conservatives-try-rewrite-civil-rights-history-again
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/10/conservatives-biggest-fear-being-called-racist
http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/18/conser...t-funded-study/
http://leftcall.com/20939/conservative-r...or-past-racism/
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#1427002 --- 11/25/13 10:41 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Riiight... because Conservatives have such a stellar reputation and spotless historical record of supporting "Equality Under the Law".
I am a registered Democrat but I support Rich Tallcot on the Native American issue because to have a bunch of tiny sovereign Indian nations within the USA with their own laws and tax structure is absolutely ridiculous.
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#1427010 --- 11/25/13 11:18 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Riiight... because Conservatives have such a stellar reputation and spotless historical record of supporting "Equality Under the Law".
I am a registered Democrat but I support Rich Tallcot on the Native American issue because to have a bunch of tiny sovereign Indian nations within the USA with their own laws and tax structure is absolutely ridiculous.

And I'm saying that if you lay down with dogs, you get fleas.

I can appreciate that you may have differing opinions than I over the issue of tribal tax laws. But to disregard the despicable and well-documented motives of him and his associates, is to be complicit of FAR greater offensives than those you purport to be advocating against, plain and simple.

You are in other words "curing the disease by killing the patient".
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#1427024 --- 11/25/13 04:08 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Riiight... because Conservatives have such a stellar reputation and spotless historical record of supporting "Equality Under the Law".


Ah, yes...the historical record. Educate yourself on the aggregated percentages, aye and nay, by party, on this hugely important part of that record. If you can put aside your feelings long enough to actually look at facts, that is:

http://curricublog.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/1964_cr_n-s.pdf
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#1427034 --- 11/25/13 05:11 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: VM Smith]
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VM Can you put aside your feeling? Probably not but we will see.

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#1427057 --- 11/25/13 10:36 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: VM Smith]
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Riiight... because Conservatives have such a stellar reputation and spotless historical record of supporting "Equality Under the Law".

Ah, yes...the historical record. Educate yourself on the aggregated percentages, aye and nay, by party, on this hugely important part of that record. If you can put aside your feelings long enough to actually look at facts, that is:

http://curricublog.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/1964_cr_n-s.pdf

Try educating yourself.

The links I posted previously have some insight on the subject will put to rest some of your preconceived notions about party support of equal rights during the sixties.

Another point you may want to keep in mind is that the argument you're attempting to assert, happened a half century ago and most everything about party politics since then has no bearing on them today. To suggest that conservative political history over the past 50 years is not replete with discrimination in ways that dwarf similar actions by liberal politics, is obscenely false.

Facts of the kind you provided are meaningless without context.
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#1427190 --- 11/26/13 07:56 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
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Riiight... because Conservatives have such a stellar reputation and spotless historical record of supporting "Equality Under the Law".

Ah, yes...the historical record. Educate yourself on the aggregated percentages, aye and nay, by party, on this hugely important part of that record. If you can put aside your feelings long enough to actually look at facts, that is:

http://curricublog.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/1964_cr_n-s.pdf

Try educating yourself.

The links I posted previously have some insight on the subject will put to rest some of your preconceived notions about party support of equal rights during the sixties.

Another point you may want to keep in mind is that the argument you're attempting to assert, happened a half century ago and most everything about party politics since then has no bearing on them today. To suggest that conservative political history over the past 50 years is not replete with discrimination in ways that dwarf similar actions by liberal politics, is obscenely false.

Facts of the kind you provided are meaningless without context.
Yes VM: remember what happened half a century ago in politics does not count because Timmy says so. But what happened over two hundred years ago is different because that is what the land claims were based on. Hah. Talk about selective history. Wow.

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#1427200 --- 11/26/13 10:21 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Yes VM: remember what happened half a century ago in politics does not count because Timmy says so. But what happened over two hundred years ago is different because that is what the land claims were based on. Hah. Talk about selective history. Wow.

Oh, really? Where exactly? Oh right... I DIDN"T, and you sir are a bald-faced liar. Perhaps you'd care to defend your idiotic claims by disproving any part of my previous post. Good luck, you're gonna need it,

Apparently the only way you feel you can make your case is to misquote others, revise history or simply fabricate the facts.

Take note folks, this is the type of sleazy individual promoting the racist agendas of UCE, CERA and CERF.

Next up... "The Comical Confabulations and Contortions of the Amazing Mr. Tallcot"!
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#1427236 --- 11/27/13 12:02 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo


Take note folks, this is the type of sleazy individual promoting the racist agendas of UCE, CERA and CERF.

WORD.


Thankful blessings to the Peoples who survived the Indian holocaust, steadfastly confront racism, and struggle to overcome the devastating effects of colonization.

In Solidarity with native resistance.



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#1427661 --- 12/02/13 01:31 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans *DELETED* [Re: Teonan]
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#1427664 --- 12/02/13 01:36 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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Jezzus Kyle, you may have issues with Native Americans, but at least have enough respect to post on the appropriate thread clearly listed as "Tribal News".
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#1427666 --- 12/02/13 01:46 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Jezzus Kyle, you may have issues with Native Americans, but at least have enough respect to post on the appropriate thread clearly listed as "Tribal News".
Not "issues". One issue. They refuse to pay their fair share of taxes. But we may force them to do it yet.
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#1427676 --- 12/02/13 02:23 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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does not count because Timmy says so.


LOL...that's Timmy's definition of "proof". He even uses "shouting" caps, regularly, just to indicate that whatever he says is incontrovertible. Pretty pathetic and lame.
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#1427677 --- 12/02/13 02:25 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: SunRunner]
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VM Can you put aside your feeling? Probably not but we will see.


You will see whatever you wish to see. Everything else will go over your head. It's interesting that you use the Authoritarian/Collectivist "we", but hardly surprising.
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#1427682 --- 12/02/13 03:12 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: VM Smith]
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
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does not count because Timmy says so.

LOL...that's Timmy's definition of "proof". He even uses "shouting" caps, regularly, just to indicate that whatever he says is incontrovertible. Pretty pathetic and lame.

Get a grip, Smitty. I use caps to emphasize that which standard print is unable to otherwise convey.

Unlike you, I don't need to indoctrinate, coerce, preach or otherwise intimidate others into seeing things my way. The FACTS are on my side and they speak loudly all by themselves.
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#1427697 --- 12/02/13 04:25 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
The FACTS are on my side and they speak loudly all by themselves.
ROFLMAO. Shaking my head in amazement.
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#1427701 --- 12/02/13 04:50 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Get a grip, Smitty. I use caps to emphasize that which standard print is unable to otherwise convey.

Unlike you, I don't need to indoctrinate, coerce, preach or otherwise intimidate others into seeing things my way. The FACTS are on my side and they speak loudly all by themselves.


Great post!!!!! Do not go against the all knowing ones. They are to self absorbed to even know the difference.


Edited by SunRunner (12/02/13 04:51 PM)

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#1427704 --- 12/02/13 05:08 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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Care to elaborate, or its it now your position to take shots and run without so much as a reference?

I expect that from others on these forum but I've always given you more credit than that. You seem to be picking up some rather "unenlightened" habits lately.
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#1427708 --- 12/02/13 06:20 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Care to elaborate, or its it now your position to take shots and run without so much as a reference?
I have been explaining with facts on many many posts how the Indians not paying their fair share of taxes negatively affects all other taxpayers. I think you are a Johnny come lately on this issue.
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#1427711 --- 12/02/13 07:42 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Care to elaborate, or its it now your position to take shots and run without so much as a reference?
I have been explaining with facts on many many posts how the Indians not paying their fair share of taxes negatively affects all other taxpayers. I think you are a Johnny come lately on this issue.


"Yes, members of the Seneca Nation pay federal income taxes; however individual Senecas who live and work on the Seneca territories do not pay state income tax. Senecas who live and/or work off the territory do pay state income tax, as well as federal tax, and other taxes including property tax, school tax, etc. Native lands are not subject to property tax, just as federal forest service lands are not taxed, since states cannot tax federal lands."
https://www.sni.org/faq/


Technically, states are authorized to tax cigarettes sold on reservations to non-Indians, but they don't have the authority to enter sovereign national territories for tax collection.

New York City Mayor Bloomberg went so far as to urge then-Governor David Paterson to "...get yourself a cowboy hat and a shotgun" to collect cigarette taxes from the Haudenosaunee (Six Nations) and their customers.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bloo...rticle-1.206360


Solidarity with Haudenosaunee people who are asserting the sovereignty of the Six Nations Confederacy!





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#1427713 --- 12/02/13 07:46 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Technically, states are authorized to tax cigarettes sold on reservations to non-Indians, but they don't have the authority to enter sovereign national territories for tax collection.
Then the authority is worthless.
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#1427714 --- 12/02/13 07:48 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
New York City Mayor Bloomberg went so far as to urge then-Governor David Paterson to "...get yourself a cowboy hat and a shotgun" to collect cigarette taxes from the Haudenosaunee (Six Nations) and their customers.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bloo...rticle-1.206360
That shows the extreme level of frustration that exists on this ridiculous issue.
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#1427715 --- 12/02/13 07:49 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Technically, states are authorized to tax cigarettes sold on reservations to non-Indians, but they don't have the authority to enter sovereign national territories for tax collection.
Are any cigs sold in Seneca or Cayuga county on a reservation? of course not.
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#1427717 --- 12/02/13 08:36 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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Kyle, why can't you put all your thoughts into one post.? Why post one after the other time and time again? Is it to increase your post count or you can only get one thought out at a time?

When are you gonna update your signature?


Edited by SunRunner (12/02/13 08:37 PM)

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#1427730 --- 12/03/13 05:06 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: SunRunner]
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Kyle, why can't you put all your thoughts into one post.? Why post one after the other time and time again? Is it to increase your post count or you can only get one thought out at a time?
After I post something I later think of another good comment. I don't see the harm in doing it this way. On the other hand, I don't see where you have ever had a useful comment so I guess you are just jealous.
Originally Posted By: SunRunner
When are you gonna update your signature?
When I see a later figure in the news that these tax cheats continue in not paying their taxes.
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#1427731 --- 12/03/13 05:34 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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Definitely not jealous. Of what? You? Lmao. That's a good one!!!!!! This is just the beginning.

Why didn't you post a copy of the new article here also?

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#1427738 --- 12/03/13 05:50 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: SunRunner]
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Why didn't you post a copy of the new article here also?
Because it was an action by the Seneca County BOS and this is Cayuga County. Got that?
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#1427743 --- 12/03/13 06:03 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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All I got from this is that you cannot control yourself. Stop, take a breath and think before you post. Think to yourself, is this helping anyone else or is this just to feed my own desires?

You will probably come to the same conclusion of mine.

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#1427749 --- 12/03/13 06:27 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: SunRunner]
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Originally Posted By: SunRunner
All I got from this is that you cannot control yourself. Stop, take a breath and think before you post. Think to yourself, is this helping anyone else or is this just to feed my own desires?
Oh it is helping others for sure. Note the actions now taken by the Seneca County BOS. They listen to their voters by reading actions such as this.
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#1427753 --- 12/03/13 06:32 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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One post? Maybe its working. Lol. Probably if I gave it more time you would post again. Well I have to go to work now and pay my taxes so you can sit on your a-- all day and surf the web .

Have a good day!!!!!! See you later?

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#1427756 --- 12/03/13 07:11 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: HeadlessHorseman]
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Indigenous Canadian anti-fracking protesters refuse to back down

Al Jazeera
by Andrea Schmidt
December 2, 2013



Protesters, led by Mi’kmaq indigenous people, begin a traditional round dance near a New Brunswick highway, Monday, Dec. 2, 2013.Candi Simon/APTN


OTTAWA, Canada – Anti-fracking protesters set tires ablaze on a New Brunswick highway Monday, in a fiery response to a judge’s decision to extend an injunction against them by a Texas-based shale gas exploration company.

In a courtroom in Fredericton, the capital of New Brunswick province, Judge Paulette Garnett ruled to prolong by two weeks the injunction obtained by SWN Resources Canada against the coalition of protesters led by Mi’kmaq indigenous people from the Elsipogtog First Nation. It will remain in effect until Dec. 17.

The injunction, which SWN obtained on Nov. 22, is designed to keep protesters from interfering with SWN’s seismic testing work. It requires that protesters remain 250 yards in front of or behind contractors and their vehicles, and 20 yards to the side.

The Mi’kmaq have argued that SWN is conducting exploration work on land that they never ceded to the Crown when they signed treaties with the British in the 18th Century.

New Brunswick’s government granted SWN licenses to explore for shale gas in 2010, in exchange for investment in the province worth about S47 million.

The protesters fear that exploration will inevitably lead to gas extraction by means of hydraulic fracturing, or fracking – a process by which water and chemicals are injected into shale rock to release gas deposits trapped inside. Opponents say fracking can contaminate the environment, especially water.

SWN has been trying since mid-November to complete the final 10 days of work it says are left in its exploration season. The company has claimed in court documents supporting the injunction application that each day of lost work costs about $54,000, and that vandalism by protesters has resulted in damage to more than 1,000 geophones – pieces of equipment used for seismic testing in conjunction with specialized trucks.

Daily confrontations

But the injunction has not deterred the anti-fracking alliance of indigenous people and members of New Brunswick’s Acadian and anglophone communities – a grouping that has consolidated since Elsipogtog residents began trying to stop SWN’s exploration work last May. Over the past week there have been daily confrontations with police, as protesters – who prefer to be known as protectors of the land and water – have persisted in their efforts to slow the seismic testing operation.

“This isn’t just a native issue,” Edgar Clair of Elsipogtog First Nation told Al Jazeera from the site of the blockade on Route 11. “But the natives want the world to know that this is Mi’kmaq territory, and they won’t back down and they won’t abide by this injunction.”

Earlier Monday afternoon protesters had blocked Route 11 – the latest frontline in this conflict over shale gas exploration – after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, who decide how and when to enforce the injunction, arrested several people on or near the highway. First-hand testimonies from the blockade site indicated that there were more than a hundred RCMP officers in the area, that some were armed with rubber pellet guns often used for crowd control and that at least one K-9 unit was on hand.

As night descended there were reports that police in riot gear were near the blockade. The RCMP could not immediately be reached for comment.

“Our people are tired, and this is a response to the justice system,” said an Elsipogtog community member who was at the blockade site and asked to go by the name Jane Doe 372, for fear of being targeted by police. The moniker is also a reference to the injunction that names five individuals, and a John and Jane Doe. “We’re tired of not being taken seriously, and that the treaties we agreed to are not being taken seriously.”

Dancing around burning tires

As the sun set and round dances were held around the burning tires at the blockade, drumming and singing could be heard in live video streams broadcast from the site.

SWN’s original application for injunction was supported by the government of the province of New Brunswick. In an affidavit accompanying the filing, Bill Breckenridge of the Department of Energy and Mines maintained that the company “is engaged in lawful exploration activity along New Brunswick Route 11, a designated highway under the administration and control of the province.”

This is not the first injunction to be defied by members of the Mi’kmaq-led coalition of anti-fracking protesters.

At the beginning of October, SWN Resources Canada obtained an injunction against occupants of an encampment of protesters blocking a lot on which the company had parked seismic testing trucks. The camp had effectively trapped the equipment.

On Oct. 17 – a day before it was due to expire – the RCMP enforced the injunction. Dozens of officers entered the camp with automatic rifles, dogs and beanbag pellet guns. As the day progressed, RCMP pepper-sprayed elders and women from Elsipogtog. Six RCMP vehicles were torched, and some 40 people were arrested.

Non-native support growing

Across Canada on Monday, solidarity actions unfolded in support of Elsipogtog. Protesters set up a temporary blockade at Vancouver’s port, and rallied in the western city of Victoria. There were banner drops in Toronto, where a group of protesters also photo-bombed an interview appearance by Canada’s Prime Minister Stephen Harper at a local news station. A small rally was held on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, the nation’s capital. And in Montreal, a solidarity blockade stopped traffic at an intersection until an angry motorist turned violent and ran his car into a protester.

“The call has been heard across Canada,” said Dave Goodswimmer, who traveled to New Brunswick with a small caravan of supporters from British Columbia more than a month ago. “We’re not going anywhere,” he told Al Jazeera by phone, adding that more people were expected to join the blockade as the night progressed.

“Non-native support is growing and growing,” Clair of Elsipogtog said. “It’s becoming a bigger issue than a single corporation coming to bully us around. It’s becoming a small revolution – Canada’s going to change after this.”

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/20...nwithblock.html
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#1427765 --- 12/03/13 09:39 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: SunRunner
Why didn't you post a copy of the new article here also?
Because it was an action by the Seneca County BOS and this is Cayuga County. Got that?

I thought forum rules specified a limit of one thread per topic.
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#1427786 --- 12/03/13 02:12 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: SunRunner
Why didn't you post a copy of the new article here also?
Because it was an action by the Seneca County BOS and this is Cayuga County. Got that?
I thought forum rules specified a limit of one thread per topic.
Groan. This is always the last argument when you run out of arguments. Suggest you talk to the people in charge of forum rules.
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#1427818 --- 12/03/13 10:06 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: SunRunner
Why didn't you post a copy of the new article here also?
Because it was an action by the Seneca County BOS and this is Cayuga County. Got that?
I thought forum rules specified a limit of one thread per topic.
Groan. This is always the last argument when you run out of arguments. Suggest you talk to the people in charge of forum rules.

And what argument EXACTLY are you suggesting that I'm making ? ? ?

If you feel that establishing rules of conduct aimed at preventing the cluttering up of the forums with redundant arguments is illogical or somehow inappropriate, then I suggest that YOU are the one in need of taking it up with those charged with maintaining the website, especially when one considers that YOU are the one likely in violation of the terms of use that YOU agreed to as a precondition to posting here, not me.
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#1427829 --- 12/04/13 05:35 AM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: HeadlessHorseman]
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Originally Posted By: HeadlessHorseman
Laker,
Thanks for sharing. I can not speak for all Native Americans, but I love seeing Indian names on Sports Teams. In Syracuse NY the SU team was called the Orange Men. Beautiful fierce Icon. Some non-Indians caused it to be changed. Just like Hitler, inversion of the true nature of a situation was his game plan. He brought death and hate to any ear that listened.

BTW, did you know you can turn off the hate talkers on this forum. I have decided to "turn off" Rich-UCE starting Sunday. He brings nothing to the table but hate talk. My ears and eyes no long have to tolerant him.

Michael & Renie Richards 1970 Union
Timbo, one Indian thread in Cayuga County from 2009 until Headless Horseman started this thread on 10/18/13, Blame him not me. I almost never have started a new thread.
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#1427852 --- 12/04/13 01:34 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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The difference is, you posted the exact same information in multiple posts. The Horsemen categorically did not.

You're making a desperate semantic argument and it's a pretty pathetic one at that.
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#1427853 --- 12/04/13 01:44 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
The difference is, you posted the exact same information in multiple posts. The Horsemen categorically did not.

You're making a desperate semantic argument and it's a pretty pathetic one at that.
I posted the exact same information in two locations: Seneca County where it was directly applicable and Headline News where it could be more widely read by people who are interested in the topic but might not visit the Seneca County forum.
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#1427862 --- 12/04/13 05:10 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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He cannot help it. He is obsessed, He probably sits home and is consumed with the Indians. He may even dress up as an Indian when no one is looking. LMAO

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#1427970 --- 12/05/13 09:37 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
The difference is, you posted the exact same information in multiple posts. The Horsemen categorically did not.

You're making a desperate semantic argument and it's a pretty pathetic one at that.
I posted the exact same information in two locations: Seneca County where it was directly applicable and Headline News where it could be more widely read by people who are interested in the topic but might not visit the Seneca County forum.

And does that somehow NOT constitute an intentional disregard for the forum's terms-of-use?
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#1428178 --- 12/08/13 10:24 PM Re: Native Americans sharing with all Americans [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Yes VM: remember what happened half a century ago in politics does not count because Timmy says so. But what happened over two hundred years ago is different because that is what the land claims were based on. Hah. Talk about selective history. Wow.

Apparently the only way you feel you can make your case is to misquote others, revise history or simply fabricate the facts.

Take note folks, this is the type of sleazy individual promoting the racist agendas of UCE, CERA and CERF.

Next up... "The Comical Confabulations and Contortions of the Amazing Mr. Tallcot"!
FACT: You do realize that FIP doesn't deal with individual Indians and SCOTUS ruled several years ago that tribal members can be barred from suing their own government due to sovereign immunity.

Maybe the Bay Mills case will fix that too. Ruling should come down about the end of March.

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