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#1396926 - 04/12/13 06:01 PM SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million
Festus Offline
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$53.1M OVER 15 YEARS: That’s how much consultants
say a merged Waterloo/Seneca Falls school district
could save

By DAVID L. SHAW dshaw@fltimes.com | 0 comments
WATERLOO — Property owners in the Waterloo and Seneca Falls school districts would see a reduction in their school tax bills if the two districts merged in 2014-15.
However, the savings for a Seneca Falls school district property owner would be two to three times that of a Waterloo property owner.
That insight and other financial details were presented Thursday to the Waterloo-Seneca Falls School Merger Study Committee by consultants William Silky and Alan Pole.
The consultants prefaced their data by listing $177,458 in estimated savings from merger efficiencies. That includes things such as a single school physician, legal services, auditing services, a district clerk, a fiscal advisor and dues, among others.
They also said a merger could generate $17.4 million in incentive aid from the state over 15 years, assuming the merged district uses 40 percent of the incentive aid to offset taxes. The savings would start with $1.84 million in 2014-15 and drop to $184,165 by 2027-28 and zero in 2028-29.
Building aid would increase by $700,501, staff savings would amount to $35.4 million and efficiencies would be $2.66 million over 15 years.
Those savings would be partially offset by $327,245 in additional transportation costs and $2.8 million from “leveling up,” making salary adjustments for the sake of fairness.
Overall, a merger could save $53.1 million over 15 years, assuming 40 percent of incentive aid is used to reduce the tax levy.
The committee was told that without a merger, the Seneca Falls school budget is projected to be $25.47 million in 2014-15. The Waterloo school budget for 2014-15 is estimated to be $36.87 million.
Together the two budgets would total $62.34 million, with a tax levy of $24.13 million. However, Silky said a merged district would see $4.25 million in efficiencies and additional aid, bringing the levy down to $19.88 million.
Using a property assessed at $100,000, the consultants said a merged district could reduce school taxes anywhere from $270 to $609, depending on which town and which school district a property owner resides.
“The savings would vary, depending on the assessment,’’ Silky said. “But taxes would definitely go down under a merger.’’
At earlier meetings, the consultants said a merger also has the potential for expanded academic programs, more course offerings and other opportunities for students.
They also said some middle school students may spend slightly more time on a school bus than they currently do.
The committee also heard from Harris Beach Law Firm attorneys Philip Spellane and Laura Purcell on the impact of the Cayuga Indian Nation tax foreclosure and land-into-trust issues on a merger.
The Cayugas owns several properties in the Seneca Falls school district. They do not own any in the Waterloo district. The tribe does not pay property taxes on the properties they have acquired, other than when deed transfers take place.
Seneca County has gone to federal court to try and foreclose on the tribe’s delinquent properties. A federal district court judge ruled against the county, but the county is appealing that to the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan.
The Cayugas applied to put 29 of its 1,110 acres into federal tax-exempt trust several years ago. But the Bureau of Indian Affairs returned the application as incomplete. The Cayugas have not resubmitted a revised application.
The committee was told that all unpaid taxes to due school districts, towns and villages are guaranteed by the county.
When the 20-member committee meets again April 25 in Seneca Falls, Pole said they will be given a final draft report and recommendations on the merger idea.
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#1396954 - 04/12/13 08:49 PM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: Festus]
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I didn't vote yes last time but this time I am.
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#1396955 - 04/12/13 08:59 PM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: Dr. Sarcassm Esq]
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53.1 million? Heard a similar story before (but not that much money).

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#1396957 - 04/12/13 09:03 PM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: Festus]
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It makes so much sense that it sounds like a rumor!

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#1396965 - 04/12/13 10:09 PM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: antnee]
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Let's hope the merger occurs this time.

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#1397029 - 04/13/13 12:38 PM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: Here's Johnny]
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If Romulus and S.Seneca haven't merged yet, what's the chances SF and Waterloo will?

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#1397041 - 04/13/13 02:17 PM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: Pedroia 15]
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"Using a property assessed at $100,000, the consultants said a merged district could reduce school taxes anywhere from $270 to $609, depending on which town and which school district a property owner resides."
"They also said a merger could generate $17.4 million in incentive aid from the state over 15 years...."
A LOT of assumptions here. I would like to see COLD HARD FACTS, not assumptions.

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#1397079 - 04/13/13 10:01 PM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: ExVillager]
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Agree.

When the SF Town & Village merged, it was within this community. The two schools merging between two different communities is another ball game. I don't have any facts either, but it could double administration costs.

I personally don't trust it.

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#1397081 - 04/13/13 10:10 PM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: ProAct]
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Glad all my children are our of school now. I just couldn't send them to Waterloo because they all only have one jacket and I couldn't afford to be buying them jackets. Waterloo is a free for all out of control scholl system "BAD". No respect
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#1397115 - 04/14/13 06:29 AM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: I did it!]
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Originally Posted By: I did it!
Glad all my children are our of school now. I just couldn't send them to Waterloo because they all only have one jacket and I couldn't afford to be buying them jackets. Waterloo is a free for all out of control scholl system "BAD". No respect


Do you actually read what you type before you hit submit?

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#1397116 - 04/14/13 06:33 AM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: ProAct]
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Boy imagine what the real figure could be if they actually used data from this decade and not old data from the previous merger study.

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#1397124 - 04/14/13 08:32 AM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: DR. D]
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Funny how people shout how government is too big and expensive and that we need smaller government.....until it is their government that needs to shrink.

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#1397192 - 04/14/13 07:15 PM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: Top Dog]
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It is so important.

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#1397197 - 04/14/13 07:56 PM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: Top Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Top Dog
Funny how people shout how government is too big and expensive and that we need smaller government.....until it is their government that needs to shrink.


Which does not mean that smaller government wouldn't be a vast improvement; it merely means that those people are logically inconsistent.
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#1397202 - 04/14/13 08:35 PM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: VM Smith]
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"Nimby" Not in my back yard...

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#1397204 - 04/14/13 08:42 PM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: Top Dog]
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I call them LIMOs...libertarian in name, only.
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#1397232 - 04/15/13 12:28 AM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: I did it!]
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there may be problems with the school system but it's not the kids as so much the parents like you saying lies about a school. i take offense at your post because my children do attend waterloo and my children are not perfect but they are however very respectful and that is a truth not an assumption. NO school is perfect and this merger will not work because parents will not let it. wow....
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#1397250 - 04/15/13 07:32 AM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: I did it!]
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Originally Posted By: I did it!
Glad all my children are our of school now. I just couldn't send them to Waterloo because they all only have one jacket and I couldn't afford to be buying them jackets. Waterloo is a free for all out of control scholl system "BAD". No respect


1000 points to you!

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#1397324 - 04/15/13 06:58 PM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: buckshot_00]
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Last time I recall how staff members became active in the discussion phase. They made their point, effectively, and the merge didn't occur, even though there was a huge monetary incentive, like there is now. People voted with their hearts, convinced themselves that the status quo was worth preserving. Fair enough.
I always viewed the participation of the staff with a jaundiced eye, even though I know they have every right to "express their point of view". It is hard to discern where their concerns for the state of quality education intersect with their desire to have their job not change.
Both schools are worth preserving, both schools would benefit from the merge, and both schools will be well served if they were to combine.

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#1397346 - 04/15/13 08:18 PM Re: SF/W'loo School merger could save $53.1 Million [Re: Here's Johnny]
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I have a few good valid questions about the merger study.

1. The consultants were hired to find out the pro's and con's of a merger. Everything that I have seen thus far is all rainbows and gumdrops. You are telling me out of all of those meetings there isnt 1 negative thing. Does anyone else find this at all odd?

2. How can there be a cost savings if over time we add classes teachers, sports, etc? Am I to believe that after the mugging the state has done to our schools recently the costs will remain the same over 15 years+ with increased courses?

3. A middle and high school with a student population of over 1000, sounds great(sarcasim) I would hate to be a student trying out for a spot on a team against 300 others.

4. From my understanding after the merger the county doesnt have to cover the costs of the unpaid taxes by the indians for school taxes. Sooooo.......I guess we are good with that??? \:\(

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